#FuturesTrades November 3rd Friday 2006 Trade Log
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Trading Blog Below is not your traditional trader's blog in the usual blog format. However, you will find informative commentary on a few occasions as time permits and such will contain trading tips that should help your trading as I attempt to sum up my thoughts as I traversed from the first trade to the last trade that was posted in #FuturesTrades realtime trade posting chat room.
ER2 EuroFX EC +3.80 +0.0000 $380.00 $0.00
It was another trading day cut short. This time it was due to severe data problems in both my charting program and trade execution platform.
At one point...I was see ER2 quotes that was 0.50 to 2 points too slow from the actual ER2 price action...not acceptable for trading.
With that said, I posted below in the trade posting chat log a direct link to some useful comments about managing our emotions (trading without emotions) while trading because such types of problems can cause early exits, early entries, late entries, late exits along with other trade management problems.
My profit/loss statement shown above in the PnL Blotter shows some s/r zones.
Further, if your interested in learning about how to use Japanese Candlestick charts expansion intervals or long shadows for designating your support/resistance zones (these are much better than your traditional mathmatical computed s/r levels)...send me an email.
Have a nice weekend and a safe one.
Today's results (real money and simulator trading) shown above are that of NihabaAshi only. To see his total accumulated points for the month of November...click here. To see results for the months of 2006 and prior years...click here.
Commentary by M.A. Perry (a.k.a. NihabaAshi)
Note: Each month there are a few trading days that we consider to involve interconnecting key price action of different markets and such is represented by a particular type of price action from one of the key markets. You can view the charts and their clues that's associated with the key price action at our key market archives.
Session Start: Fri Nov 03 09:18:20 2006Session Ident: #futurestrades * Now #FuturesTrades purpose and benefits...click here. 09:18 <X> [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm <pat255> gm all... 09:20 <NihabaAshi> Good morning all. <pat255> missed the 8:30 news.. gm niha <yo> gm niha <NihabaAshi> Yep...looks like the 0830am est produced some good volatility to setup a nice s/r zone for the price action after 0930am est. 09:21 <PapaJon> gm all 09:23 * codehead_afk is now known as codehead 09:24 <ItalianSharp> niha, ISM non manufactoring numbers are coming up at 10am...these numbers are key after the better than expected NFP data...if the ISM non-manufactoring comes out decent, it could set the pace for some nice trend...if not, we could be facing choppiness for the rest of the day... based on these thoughts, i am not expecting to see much action between the open and 10am 09:25 <NihabaAshi> I hope it doesn't develop into "equalized volatility" between contracting and expanding price intervals. 09:27 <RussellDaytrade> brut, setup some hotkey commands on IB, trying it out on the sim first... 09:28 <NihabaAshi> Russell...how do you like the IB platform ??? 09:29 <RussellDaytrade> set buy on bid, 1 click, amd or hotkey, sell on bid, order cancels, and, buy and sell stops above and below market at preset price levels above and below 09:30 <NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 756.20 -> small size <yvberj> Good Morning everyone 09:31 <RussellDaytrade> its all i know N, so, it is ok for my purposes, likely better stuff out there, but it offers much more than i will ever undersatnd <NihabaAshi> I have a slight bullish intraday bias at the open. I'm also having some data problems :( 09:32 Exited 2/3 ER2 Long @ 757.30 --> + 1.1 <RussellDaytrade> Shorts ER2 @ 759 «« paper »» 09:36 <NihabaAshi> Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 757.80 --> + 1.6 09:38 Trading Edge: If your an independent trader looking for an edge to help you traverse around obstacles to profitable trading...a method that's well defined, gives you a better understanding of the markets, applicable for day trading, position trading and swing trading with a money back guaranteed policy...click here. Trading Strategies -> These strategies will reveal and explain specific strategies from entry to exit that exploit inefficiencies in the price action of your trading instrument for profits in the following trading instruments: Emini Index Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Index Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Index Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Energy Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM), Forex Currencies (EurUsd, EurYen, UsdCdn), Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, OIH, IWM, QQQQ, SPY, XLE) and Hang Seng Index Futures (HSI) <RussellDaytrade> Covered all ER2 Short @ 758.1 --> + 0.9 «« paper »» 09:39 <NihabaAshi> Geeesh...my data was so off...I didn't even know it had gotten above 759.00 price area until long after the fact :( <szubaark> Shorts NQ @ 1719 «« paper »» <RussellDaytrade> N, do you think you may have interfernce from another open program on your system 09:40 that happens on mine at tiems 09:41 <NihabaAshi> I'm having more data problems :( 09:42 <RussellDaytrade> at least on the charting portion, L1 quotes always stay current unless problems at IB <NihabaAshi> Last time I something like this...it lasted all morning and I had one of my biggest losing trading day of the year (Sept 29th http://www.thestrategylab.com/092906Futu resTrades.htm :( 09:43 I usually get one big losing day like that per year but not because of data problems as the main reason to get me going in the wrong psychological direction. 09:44 On that note...will be back later to see if the problems still exist. Very frustrating. <RussellDaytrade> Shorts ER2 @ 758.6 «« paper »» * NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away 09:45 <RussellDaytrade> challenging enough without wearing blinders Covered all ER2 Short @ 758.4 --> + 0.2 «« paper »» 09:47 <szubaark> Covered all Short NQ at 1716.25 --> + 2.75 «« paper »» 09:49 now just have to stay away from afternoon chop crap <yvberj> Just got screwed by IB. Went sht. ER @ 758. Data went dead didn't get filled till 757.1. Out @ 756.4 09:57 <RussellDaytrade> if using limit order, how can that be? 09:58 <yvberj> I generally use Mkt. order. 09:59 <deepitm> Long YM @ 12059 10:00 <RussellDaytrade> there are no brokers in existence i trust any farther than i can throw them uphill <yvberj> Agree 110% 10:01 <deepitm> Exited 2/3 YM Long @ 12070 --> + 11 10:02 <RussellDaytrade> good thing you cleared it, that spike just now may have 'gotten the better' of those less quick <PapaJon> ymberj.. try using a limit with .. say.. a 3tick limit or somthing <RussellDaytrade> just did a quick long on that spike, (sim), but no time to type and input between placing order and closing it, it as in and done and over while i was typing a reply 10:04 758 to 758.7 757 to 757.7 <X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) 10:05 <deepitm> Exited 1/3 YM Long @ 12071 --> + 12 10:06 <yvberj> I use limits when the mkt. is moving at a normal pace (whatever that is). If it's moving quickly I've lost too many entries with limits. <PapaJon> i understand <RussellDaytrade> like i said, trying to train myself into trading outside the usual formats that i use, ie, chasing them i have had good results in that regard with IB, using only limit orders, (buying ask, selling bid), but then again, i am usually not chasing the price, so that could make a significant difference 10:08 <PapaJon> agree RD... for me.. my strats work best with limit or stop limit orders for entry.. if i get to poor a fill.. my analysis stats drop dramatically 10:10 <yvberj> No data on ER & NQ from IB. Anyone else having problem. <RussellDaytrade> yes <PapaJon> thus.. for me.. using mkt for entry... is increases my risk too much.. I do however use mkt for stoploss orders 10:11 <RussellDaytrade> data down on real, up on sim <PapaJon> data ok here yvberj Sponsor: As traders we must treat our trading like a business if we are to succeed as traders and as a business. Therefore, waiting till the last few weeks March to prepare for April's taxes is not good for your trading and could put extra stress on your trading during tax month or the months that follow if your one of those traders that filed an extension.. Therefore, its best to be on top of your taxes throughout the year and Traders Accounting is a great resource for such especially if you want to prevent penalties or an audit several years from now. <RussellDaytrade> 757.3 right now back up <yvberj> Back up here too 10:12 <RussellDaytrade> data down on all <yvberj> Just lost it again. <szubaark> no quotes <PapaJon> It really depends on your own personal strategies and style of trading.. as to whether to use limit, stoplimit, mkt... there is no right or wrong in this <szubaark> ONLY YM quotes <PapaJon> just lost em here too same here szu 10:13 <RussellDaytrade> they're messing with everybody <yvberj> This is a pain. Although, I shouldn't complain I very rarely have problems with IB <PapaJon> same here yvberj <yvberj> Data is back <PapaJon> same here.. :) 10:14 <yvberj> I'm almost afraid to place a trade now. Just lost it again. <PapaJon> yep.. here too 10:15 <szubaark> geez.. every week data problems. As if worrying about market wasnt enough i have to worry about DATA. <RussellDaytrade> last time this occured, it persisted for approx an hour, ittermitten outages <yvberj> I'm quiting for now. I'll just watch. <RussellDaytrade> about a month or so ago <szubaark> yup.. done trading <RussellDaytrade> evrybody here that had data outage with IB? ANy other platfroms experience an outage? 10:17 <Brutus> I think you can get a real time sim account MB trading to verify your data. 10:18 Esignal and MB OK <RussellDaytrade> any outage with MB, brut? <PapaJon> wierd.. my ib says connection lost but the data is updating properly...??? <Brutus> No <RussellDaytrade> sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 754,5 «« paper »» 10:20 sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 755.5 «« paper »» 10:21 <szubaark> Shorts NQ @ 1715.75 «« paper »» 10:28 <deepitm> Long YM @ 12059 10:31 <RussellDaytrade> cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» 10:32 <szubaark> Covered all Short NQ at 1713 --> + 2.75 «« paper »» <RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 755 «« paper »» 10:33 <deepitm> Long YM @ 12045 -> Add 10:37 <RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 753.1 -> Add «« paper »» 10:41 <yvberj> Stayed out due to fear of data feed and lost out on a nice trade. <szubaark> :( <deepitm> Exited all YM Long @ 12039 --> - 26 :( 10:42 <RussellDaytrade> buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 756 «« paper »» 10:43 buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 755.5 «« paper »» setup price atrget 757 in approx 45 minutes 10:46 tarde price atrget approx 1.5 bucks up from low data down agai 10:47 <yvberj> here too <RussellDaytrade> market climbing right now 10:48 a wee bit, not much we're proffessionals ma'am, don't try this at home! 10:49 if it breaks below the low significantly, all targets and times will adjust to/from new low price 10:51 a ninor break/retest will not alter targets or times if they stay within the low IN TIME, ie, don;t take too long, etc 10:52 cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» 10:55 Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 754.6 --> + 1.5 «« paper »» as satted yestrday, while it may not achieve a 4-4.5 buck SETUP target, usually good for a buck and a half 10:56 Exited all ER2 Long @ 754.6 --> - 0.9 «« paper »» 10:57 missed the exit..typing the ap on that was 2 c's at aprox 754.2 10:58 will begin anew at 754 and below with one point scale probably won't go there 10:59 sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 753 «« paper »» 11:00 sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 754.5 «« paper »» sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 753.5 «« paper »» cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» 11:07 Long ER2 @ 754 «« paper »» <X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) 11:14 <RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 753/ea -> Add «« paper »» 11:15 that was actually an exit at 754 changed mind will start from lower level Long ER2 @ 753.1 «« paper »» 11:17 Exited all ER2 Long @ 753.5 --> + 0.4 + 753.5 - 753/ea «« paper »» 11:18 sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 752.5 «« paper »» 11:19 Long ER2 @ 753.2 «« paper »» 11:21 cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» Long ER2 @ 752.6/tes -> Add «« paper »» 11:22 sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 752 «« paper »» not long yet at 752.6, looking to add Long ER2 @ 752.6 -> Add «« paper »» 11:23 cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» <szubaark> i see you Loadin' up the boat with Longs <RussellDaytrade> long 2 ap 752.9 +/- 11:24 sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 751.5 «« paper »» cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» Long ER2 @ 751.7 -> Add «« paper »» 11:26 last bullet buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 753.5 «« paper »» buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 754 «« paper »» 11:27 buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 754.5 «« paper »» setup target up 4.2 from low in approx 45 11:28 cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» 11:33 Exited 2/3 ER2 Long @ 753.8 --> + 2.1 «« paper »» opps 752.8 Long ER2 @ 752.1 -> Add «« paper »» 11:37 buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 753.5 «« paper »» 11:39 buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 754 «« paper »» buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 754.5 «« paper »» 11:40 cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» 11:42 filling up the page with buy/sell stops above/below market. asume if i am long i have buy stops above, or if short, sell stops below 11:44 Long ER2 @ 751 -> Add «« paper »» there's trouble in paradise 11:46 ap approx 751.6 on 3 12:00 should start holding inhere 12:03 here's wher you trend followers can get busy 12:04 im a seller near 752, gotta get back in sync, etc 12:09 feels like time is standing still again 12:13 Exited all ER2 Long @ 751.8 --> - 1.9 «« paper »» 12:25 that above my ap 12:26 flat now, time for breakfast <X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) <RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 751 «« paper »» 12:42 thats incorrect, had it loaded, but it didn't drop that low Exited all ER2 Long @ 751 --> 0 «« paper »» 12:43 Long ER2 @ 751 «« paper »» 12:53 will add 750, again 749 12:54 but will remain open to altering plan if sense something else is warranted 12:55 Long ER2 @ 750 -> Add «« paper »» 13:00 seller near 51 13:07 Exited all ER2 Long @ 750.8 --> + 0.6 «« paper »» 13:09 this thing should arce to about 753.5 in here 13:10 race buyer at 750 * NihabaAshi_away is now known as NihabaAshi 13:14 <RussellDaytrade> quotes down again 13:16 <codehead> using IB? 13:18 IB been bad my pfg account and esignal feed fine, IB bad <RussellDaytrade> IB is doing the 'pull the wool' trick today <codehead> ya 13:19 <RussellDaytrade> thieves, imnsho it'll be gapping up a buck and a half when it opens 13:22 whos got live data? <yvberj> Had to go out for a while. Good thing, I see Globex has been out again. 13:24 <codehead> IB is back ER broke out key level reversal in place <RussellDaytrade> the setup targets for the last setup just fullfilled at 753 an change 13:25 we may be overslod enough for it to get legs and climb more, if so, it may, (emphasize may) keep going... 13:26 i prefer to go by my models though, and call it good enough 13:27 they hit right on time, i might add!, to the minute <NihabaAshi> I still have data problems and will just sit and remain on the sidelines...no more trading for me. 13:29 Data stalls and then spurts every few minutes. Here's a link to some comments you may find useful on managing your emotions while trading... <yo> :( 13:33 <X> 13:38 <Brutus> I agree with Codehead, that the lows are in. 13:45 When Es gets within 1 point of the lows I will be looking for ER bullish divergence to go long. 13:46 If my model is correct there will be some chop with the final up leg after 1500. 13:48 ES target 1371 13:49 <RussellDaytrade> time for somebody else to take the helm, i'll get excited again when it sells off hard and gets ugly again 14:02 speak of the devil! 14:03 and he appears whaddya think brut, we see 751 agin this drop? 14:05 <Brutus> No the low should hold Yes in ER Watch for another sharp ES leg down in 5 mins between 1366 to 1367 and a ER dump 14:07 If ES breaks lows then I'm full off it:) <RussellDaytrade> buyer at 751 14:14 sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 751.5 «« paper »»
Mentally getting away from trading is much harder to do in comparison to physically getting away from trading when its time for some rest and relaxation. Personally, one of my favorite ways to mentally rest is to watch movies I've copy & recorded from the local video store via my Slysoft software that copies any copyright protected dvd's and cd's. <Brutus> Time is up, looks like its not going lower 14:15 ER did have a small dump <RussellDaytrade> here's where the trend-players have the mental framework advantage, i have a difficult time piling into a spike 14:18 the selloffs today, even as they hit lower lows, have diminished in intensity relative to earlier today, yesterday, and the day before 14:19 ie, getting sold out, for now, may bounce for a day or so 14:20 unless, of course, we break lows with fresh impetus don't feel like it right now 14:21 cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» 14:22 <PapaJon> I just got back from jobsite meeting... hows IB data been since this mornings mess? 14:23 <RussellDaytrade> had one more 'wool-pullin' session about an hour ago, right as it was taking off 14:24 <szubaark> still comes in and out.. best not to trade. Definetly throws you off that kind of crap shouldnt be happening. <PapaJon> gotcha.. thnx RD 14:25 fortunately... it seems that it doesn't happen often <Brutus> Shorts ER2 @ 755.0 14:27 <PapaJon> looks like i missed a couple of good signals .. for me anyway 14:28 <RussellDaytrade> how do you prefer to trade PJ? <PapaJon> profitably hehe <yo> good <RussellDaytrade> i wanna trade like you then! <PapaJon> i trade the er2 and try for 3 targets 14:29 i have a couple of strategies... one for reverals and one for continuations of trend well.. i need to get my head around it again... the last few months .. I have had some very negative distractions.. 14:30 <RussellDaytrade> yes, it takes focus <PapaJon> and it has caused me to make mistakes in my trading.. thus.. got burned a couple times too many... <RussellDaytrade> what signals do you look for? 14:31 <PapaJon> just the last few weeks have I been able to avoid the "fear" psycological damage that has been done to me <RussellDaytrade> thats goota be encouraging 14:32 <Brutus> Covered ER2 Short @ 755.1 --> - 0.1 <PapaJon> well. yes.. but I still struggle with it from time to time Is probly the hardest part of trading imho <RussellDaytrade> you use indicators? price action? other? <PapaJon> primarilly price action... 14:33 modified versions of stuff I learned from niha froms niha's reports <RussellDaytrade> look at todays chart you'all....ok... thx, will ply you for more as time goes on... note how, in a general way, (understatement), it declined for most all morning and then soem.. 14:34 <yvberj> Those of you using IB. Is Globex still out for you? <szubaark> UP HERE fingers crossed :(( 14:35 <RussellDaytrade> now, look at how it is 'balancing out' that 'time' and 'price' move of earlier today.. almost as if 'by magic' it does that very regularly, trades in a balnced format, most of the time.. 14:36 predictable <yvberj> Although I'm getting data. There is a message saying that "Globex is currently unabaivable for traders". So I don't know if I can trade or not. 14:38 <RussellDaytrade> thats an old message, check the timestamp on it they always wsend those out after the fact/ delayed response etc 14:39 <yvberj> I did. It's 13:20, but it also says "refreshed 14.40" <RussellDaytrade> mine was timed about an hour ago, approx 20 minutes after the outage occured 14:40 <yvberj> I'll try it with just 1 contract see what happens. 14:41 <RussellDaytrade> almost enough to make you wanna stand and trasde in the pit <X> 14:50 <Brutus> DJIA magically above 12000 again for the weekend 14:55 <RussellDaytrade> what happened there? maas disconnect emanating from Vancouver BC? there were just three left connected 15:21 <yvberj> Don't know waht happened. Looks like everythings been going out today. 15:22 <RussellDaytrade> buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 756.7 «« paper »» 15:39 cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» 15:40 <Brutus> Russell, DJIA has gone down for 6 days 15:45 <RussellDaytrade> yes, didn't give up much for all that 15:46 will sell 757 <Brutus> But if I,m not msitaken today is a bullish pattern. Next week should be up. <RussellDaytrade> buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 757 «« paper »» <Brutus> Just from todays pattern, not form the logical argument of it being oversold 15:47 <RussellDaytrade> oil, rates , headwind oeverhead resistance too <Brutus> Lets see by thursday <RussellDaytrade> i consider today a victory, paper trading, though i didn't extract much from it, at least i didn't have to suffer an all day onslaught, little better timing and entries, ie, got a favorable lift 15:49 raed market better 15:50 looks like that lift about 1530 materialized it was a sneak attack, perhaps price holding above vwap induced buyers/covering 15:53 <yvberj> That's it for today. Aggravating day due to outages, but still profitable. Have a good weekend. <RussellDaytrade> cu yv just IB's way of keeping people off balance 15:54 unfortunately, the ploy works <X> 15:56 <RussellDaytrade> cancelled all open stop orders «« paper »» <Brutus> Cul8r have a good weekend! 15:57 <RussellDaytrade> if no bad news overweekend, could...later.. 15:58 catch an 8-10 point lift have a good one brut i'm hittin the showers, have a good one all <NihabaAshi> I'm done also for the day...had one trade (profitable) and couldn't trade anymore due to the data problems. 16:04 Take care all and have a good weekend. * NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away * DisconnectedSession Close: Fri Nov 03 16:48:04 2006 16:48 Sponsor:
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