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#FuturesTrades November 3rd Friday 2006 Trade Log

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It was another trading day cut short. This time it was due to severe data problems in both my charting program and trade execution platform.

At one point...I was see ER2 quotes that was 0.50 to 2 points too slow from the actual ER2 price action...not acceptable for trading.

With that said, I posted below in the trade posting chat log a direct link to some useful comments about managing our emotions (trading without emotions) while trading because such types of problems can cause early exits, early entries, late entries, late exits along with other trade management problems.

My profit/loss statement shown above in the PnL Blotter shows some s/r zones.

Further, if your interested in learning about how to use Japanese Candlestick charts expansion intervals or long shadows for designating your support/resistance zones (these are much better than your traditional mathmatical computed s/r levels)...send me an email.

Have a nice weekend and a safe one.

Today's results (real money and simulator trading) shown above are that of NihabaAshi only. To see his total accumulated points for the month of November...click here. To see results for the months of 2006 and prior years...click here.

Commentary by M.A. Perry (a.k.a. NihabaAshi)  
intradaystrategies@yahoo.com

Note: Each month there are a few trading days that we consider to involve interconnecting key price action of different markets and such is represented by a particular type of price action from one of the key markets. You can view the charts and their clues that's associated with the key price action at our key market archives.

  

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Session Start: Fri Nov 03 09:18:20 2006Session Ident: #futurestrades
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<X> [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm
<pat255> gm all...09:20
<NihabaAshi> Good morning all.
<pat255> missed the 8:30 news..

gm niha
<yo> gm niha
<NihabaAshi> Yep...looks like the 0830am est produced some good volatility to setup a nice s/r zone for the price action after 0930am est.09:21
<PapaJon> gm all09:23
* codehead_afk is now known as codehead09:24
<ItalianSharp> niha, ISM non manufactoring numbers are coming up at 10am...these numbers are key after the better than expected NFP data...if the ISM non-manufactoring comes out decent, it could set the pace for some nice trend...if not, we could be facing choppiness for the rest of the day...
based on these thoughts, i am not expecting to see much action between the open and 10am09:25
<NihabaAshi> I hope it doesn't develop into "equalized volatility" between contracting and expanding price intervals.09:27
<RussellDaytrade> brut, setup some hotkey commands on IB, trying it out on the sim first...09:28
<NihabaAshi> Russell...how do you like the IB platform ???09:29
<RussellDaytrade> set buy on bid, 1 click, amd or hotkey, sell on bid, order cancels, and, buy and sell stops above and below market at preset price levels above and below09:30
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 756.20 -> small size
<yvberj> Good Morning everyone09:31
<RussellDaytrade> its all i know N, so, it is ok for my purposes, likely better stuff out there, but it offers much more than i will ever undersatnd
<NihabaAshi> I have a slight bullish intraday bias at the open.
I'm also having some data problems :(09:32
Exited 2/3 ER2 Long @ 757.30 --> + 1.1
<RussellDaytrade>  Shorts ER2 @ 759 paper 09:36
<NihabaAshi>  Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 757.80 --> + 1.6 09:38
  
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<RussellDaytrade>  Covered all ER2 Short @ 758.1 --> + 0.9 paper 09:39
<NihabaAshi> Geeesh...my data was so off...I didn't even know it had gotten above 759.00 price area until long after the fact :(
<szubaark>  Shorts NQ @ 1719 paper
<RussellDaytrade> N, do you think you may have interfernce from another open program on your system09:40
that happens on mine at tiems09:41
<NihabaAshi> I'm having more data problems :(09:42
<RussellDaytrade> at least on the charting portion, L1 quotes always stay current unless problems at IB
<NihabaAshi> Last time I something like this...it lasted all morning and I had one of my biggest losing trading day of the year (Sept 29th http://www.thestrategylab.com/092906Futu resTrades.htm :(09:43

I usually get one big losing day like that per year but not because of data problems as the main reason to get me going in the wrong psychological direction.09:44

On that note...will be back later to see if the problems still exist.

Very frustrating.
<RussellDaytrade>  Shorts ER2 @ 758.6 paper
* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away09:45
<RussellDaytrade> challenging enough without wearing blinders
Covered all ER2 Short @ 758.4 --> + 0.2 paper 09:47
<szubaark>  Covered all Short NQ at 1716.25 --> + 2.75 paper 09:49

now just have to stay away from afternoon chop crap
<yvberj> Just got screwed by IB. Went sht. ER @ 758. Data went dead didn't get filled till 757.1. Out @ 756.409:57
<RussellDaytrade> if using limit order, how can that be?09:58
<yvberj> I generally use Mkt. order.09:59
<deepitm>  Long YM @ 12059 10:00
<RussellDaytrade> there are no brokers in existence i trust any farther than i can throw them uphill
<yvberj> Agree 110%10:01
<deepitm>  Exited 2/3 YM Long @ 12070 --> + 11 10:02
<RussellDaytrade> good thing you cleared it, that spike just now may have 'gotten the better' of those less quick
<PapaJon> ymberj.. try using a limit with .. say.. a 3tick limit or somthing
<RussellDaytrade> just did a quick long on that spike, (sim), but no time to type and input between placing order and closing it, it as in and done and over while i was typing a reply10:04

758 to 758.7

757 to 757.7
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<deepitm>  Exited 1/3 YM Long @ 12071 --> + 12 10:06
<yvberj> I use limits when the mkt. is moving at a normal pace (whatever that is). If it's moving quickly I've lost too many entries with limits.
<PapaJon> i understand
<RussellDaytrade> like i said, trying to train myself into trading outside the usual formats that i use, ie, chasing them
i have had good results in that regard with IB, using only limit orders, (buying ask, selling bid), but then again, i am usually not chasing the price, so that could make a significant difference10:08
<PapaJon> agree RD... for me.. my strats work best with limit or stop limit orders for entry.. if i get to poor a fill.. my analysis stats drop dramatically10:10
<yvberj> No data on ER & NQ from IB. Anyone else having problem.
<RussellDaytrade> yes
<PapaJon> thus.. for me.. using mkt for entry... is increases my risk too much..
I do however use mkt for stoploss orders10:11
<RussellDaytrade> data down on real, up on sim
<PapaJon> data ok here yvberj
  
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<RussellDaytrade> 757.3 right now

back up
<yvberj> Back up here too10:12
<RussellDaytrade> data down on all
<yvberj> Just lost it again.
<szubaark> no quotes
<PapaJon> It really depends on your own personal strategies and style of trading.. as to whether to use limit, stoplimit, mkt... there is no right or wrong in this
<szubaark> ONLY YM quotes
<PapaJon> just lost em here too
same here szu10:13
<RussellDaytrade> they're messing with everybody
<yvberj> This is a pain. Although, I shouldn't complain I very rarely have problems with IB
<PapaJon> same here yvberj
<yvberj> Data is back
<PapaJon> same here.. :)10:14
<yvberj> I'm almost afraid to place a trade now.
Just lost it again.
<PapaJon> yep.. here too10:15
<szubaark> geez.. every week data problems. As if worrying about market wasnt enough i have to worry about DATA.
<RussellDaytrade> last time this occured, it persisted for approx an hour, ittermitten outages
<yvberj> I'm quiting for now. I'll just watch.
<RussellDaytrade> about a month or so ago
<szubaark> yup.. done trading
<RussellDaytrade> evrybody here that had data outage with IB? ANy other platfroms experience an outage?10:17
<Brutus> I think you can get a real time sim account MB trading to verify your data.10:18
Esignal and MB OK
<RussellDaytrade> any outage with MB, brut?
<PapaJon> wierd.. my ib says connection lost but the data is updating properly...???
<Brutus> No
<RussellDaytrade>  sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 754,5 paper 10:20
sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 755.5 paper 10:21
<szubaark>  Shorts NQ @ 1715.75 paper 10:28
<deepitm>  Long YM @ 12059 10:31
<RussellDaytrade>  cancelled all open stop orders paper 10:32
<szubaark>  Covered all Short NQ at 1713 --> + 2.75 paper
<RussellDaytrade>  Long ER2 @ 755 paper 10:33
<deepitm>  Long YM @ 12045 -> Add 10:37
<RussellDaytrade>  Long ER2 @ 753.1 -> Add paper 10:41
<yvberj> Stayed out due to fear of data feed and lost out on a nice trade.
<szubaark> :(
<deepitm>  Exited all YM Long @ 12039 --> - 26
:(10:42
<RussellDaytrade>  buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 756 paper 10:43

buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 755.5 paper

setup price atrget 757 in approx 45 minutes10:46

tarde price atrget approx 1.5 bucks up from low

data down agai10:47
<yvberj> here too
<RussellDaytrade> market climbing right now10:48

a wee bit, not much

we're proffessionals ma'am, don't try this at home!10:49

if it breaks below the low significantly, all targets and times will adjust to/from new low price10:51

a ninor break/retest will not alter targets or times if they stay within the low IN TIME, ie, don;t take too long, etc10:52

cancelled all open stop orders paper 10:55

Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 754.6 --> + 1.5 paper

as satted yestrday, while it may not achieve a 4-4.5 buck SETUP target, usually good for a buck and a half10:56

Exited all ER2 Long @ 754.6 --> - 0.9 paper 10:57

missed the exit..typing

the ap on that was 2 c's at aprox 754.210:58

will begin anew at 754 and below with one point scale

probably won't go there10:59

sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 753 paper 11:00

sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 754.5 paper

sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 753.5 paper

cancelled all open stop orders paper 11:07

Long ER2 @ 754 paper
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<RussellDaytrade>  Long ER2 @ 753/ea -> Add paper 11:15

that was actually an exit at 754

changed mind

will start from lower level

Long ER2 @ 753.1 paper 11:17

Exited all ER2 Long @ 753.5 --> + 0.4 + 753.5 - 753/ea paper 11:18

sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 752.5 paper 11:19

Long ER2 @ 753.2 paper 11:21

cancelled all open stop orders paper

Long ER2 @ 752.6/tes -> Add paper 11:22

sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 752 paper

not long yet at 752.6, looking to add

Long ER2 @ 752.6 -> Add paper 11:23

cancelled all open stop orders paper
<szubaark> i see you Loadin' up the boat with Longs
<RussellDaytrade> long 2 ap 752.9 +/-11:24

sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 751.5 paper

cancelled all open stop orders paper

Long ER2 @ 751.7 -> Add paper 11:26

last bullet

buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 753.5 paper

buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 754 paper 11:27

buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 754.5 paper

setup target up 4.2 from low in approx 4511:28

cancelled all open stop orders paper 11:33

Exited 2/3 ER2 Long @ 753.8 --> + 2.1 paper

opps 752.8

Long ER2 @ 752.1 -> Add paper 11:37

buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 753.5 paper 11:39

buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 754 paper

buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 754.5 paper 11:40

cancelled all open stop orders paper 11:42

filling up the page with buy/sell stops above/below market. asume if i am long i have buy stops above, or if short, sell stops below11:44

Long ER2 @ 751 -> Add paper

there's trouble in paradise11:46

ap approx 751.6 on 312:00

should start holding inhere12:03

here's wher you trend followers can get busy12:04

im a seller near 752, gotta get back in sync, etc12:09

feels like time is standing still again12:13

Exited all ER2 Long @ 751.8 --> - 1.9 paper 12:25

that above my ap12:26

flat now, time for breakfast
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<RussellDaytrade>  Long ER2 @ 751 paper 12:42

thats incorrect, had it loaded, but it didn't drop that low

Exited all ER2 Long @ 751 --> 0 paper 12:43

Long ER2 @ 751 paper 12:53

will add 750, again 74912:54

but will remain open to altering plan if sense something else is warranted12:55

Long ER2 @ 750 -> Add paper 13:00

seller near 5113:07

Exited all ER2 Long @ 750.8 --> + 0.6 paper 13:09

this thing should arce to about 753.5 in here13:10

race

buyer at 750
* NihabaAshi_away is now known as NihabaAshi13:14
<RussellDaytrade> quotes down again13:16
<codehead> using IB?13:18
IB been bad
my pfg account and esignal feed fine, IB bad
<RussellDaytrade> IB is doing the 'pull the wool' trick today
<codehead> ya13:19
<RussellDaytrade> thieves, imnsho

it'll be gapping up a buck and a half when it opens13:22

whos got live data?
<yvberj> Had to go out for a while. Good thing, I see Globex has been out again.13:24
<codehead> IB is back

ER broke out key level

reversal in place
<RussellDaytrade> the setup targets for the last setup just fullfilled at 753 an change13:25
we may be overslod enough for it to get legs and climb more, if so, it may, (emphasize may) keep going...13:26
i prefer to go by my models though, and call it good enough13:27
they hit right on time, i might add!, to the minute
<NihabaAshi> I still have data problems and will just sit and remain on the sidelines...no more trading for me.13:29

Data stalls and then spurts every few minutes.
  Here's a link to some comments you may find useful on managing your emotions while trading...

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=79975

 
<yo> :(13:33
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<Brutus> I agree with Codehead, that the lows are in.13:45
When Es gets within 1 point of the lows I will be looking for ER bullish divergence to go long.13:46
If my model is correct there will be some chop with the final up leg after 1500.13:48
ES target 137113:49
<RussellDaytrade> time for somebody else to take the helm, i'll get excited again when it sells off hard and gets ugly again14:02

speak of the devil!14:03

and he appears

whaddya think brut, we see 751 agin this drop?14:05
<Brutus> No the low should hold
Yes in ER
Watch for another sharp ES leg down in 5 mins between 1366 to 1367 and a ER dump14:07
If ES breaks lows then I'm full off it:)
<RussellDaytrade> buyer at 75114:14

sell stop to enter short ER2 @ 751.5 paper
  

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<Brutus> Time is up, looks like its not going lower14:15
ER did have a small dump
<RussellDaytrade> here's where the trend-players have the mental framework advantage, i have a difficult time piling into a spike14:18

the selloffs today, even as they hit lower lows, have diminished in intensity

relative to earlier today, yesterday, and the day before14:19

ie, getting sold out, for now, may bounce for a day or so14:20

unless, of course, we break lows with fresh impetus

don't feel like it right now14:21

cancelled all open stop orders paper 14:22
<PapaJon> I just got back from jobsite meeting... hows IB data been since this mornings mess?14:23
<RussellDaytrade> had one more 'wool-pullin' session about an hour ago, right as it was taking off14:24
<szubaark> still comes in and out.. best not to trade. Definetly throws you off that kind of crap shouldnt be happening.
<PapaJon> gotcha.. thnx RD14:25

fortunately... it seems that it doesn't happen often
<Brutus>  Shorts ER2 @ 755.0 14:27
<PapaJon> looks like i missed a couple of good signals .. for me anyway14:28
<RussellDaytrade> how do you prefer to trade PJ?
<PapaJon> profitably

hehe
<yo> good
<RussellDaytrade> i wanna trade like you then!
<PapaJon> i trade the er2 and try for 3 targets14:29
i have a couple of strategies... one for reverals and one for continuations of trend
well.. i need to get my head around it again... the last few months .. I have had some very negative distractions..14:30
<RussellDaytrade> yes, it takes focus
<PapaJon> and it has caused me to make mistakes in my trading.. thus.. got burned a couple times too many...
<RussellDaytrade> what signals do you look for?14:31
<PapaJon> just the last few weeks have I been able to avoid the "fear" psycological damage that has been done to me
<RussellDaytrade> thats goota be encouraging14:32
<Brutus>  Covered ER2 Short @ 755.1 --> - 0.1
<PapaJon> well. yes.. but I still struggle with it from time to time

Is probly the hardest part of trading imho
<RussellDaytrade> you use indicators? price action? other?
<PapaJon> primarilly price action...14:33

modified versions of stuff I learned from niha

froms niha's reports
<RussellDaytrade> look at todays chart you'all....ok... thx, will ply you for more as time goes on...
note how, in a general way, (understatement), it declined for most all morning and then soem..14:34
<yvberj> Those of you using IB. Is Globex still out for you?
<szubaark> UP HERE fingers crossed :((14:35
<RussellDaytrade> now, look at how it is 'balancing out' that 'time' and 'price' move of earlier today..

almost as if 'by magic'

it does that very regularly, trades in a balnced format, most of the time..14:36

predictable
<yvberj> Although I'm getting data. There is a message saying that "Globex is currently unabaivable for traders". So I don't know if I can trade or not.14:38
<RussellDaytrade> thats an old message, check the timestamp on it

they always wsend those out after the fact/ delayed response etc14:39
<yvberj> I did. It's 13:20, but it also says "refreshed 14.40"
<RussellDaytrade> mine was timed about an hour ago, approx 20 minutes after the outage occured14:40
<yvberj> I'll try it with just 1 contract see what happens.14:41
<RussellDaytrade> almost enough to make you wanna stand and trasde in the pit
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<Brutus> DJIA magically above 12000 again for the weekend14:55
<RussellDaytrade> what happened there? maas disconnect emanating from Vancouver BC? there were just three left connected15:21
<yvberj> Don't know waht happened. Looks like everythings been going out today.15:22
<RussellDaytrade>  buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 756.7 paper 15:39
cancelled all open stop orders paper 15:40
<Brutus> Russell, DJIA has gone down for 6 days15:45
<RussellDaytrade> yes, didn't give up much for all that15:46
will sell 757
<Brutus> But if I,m not msitaken today is a bullish pattern. Next week should be up.
<RussellDaytrade>  buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 757 paper
<Brutus> Just from todays pattern, not form the logical argument of it being oversold15:47
<RussellDaytrade> oil, rates , headwind
oeverhead resistance too
<Brutus> Lets see by thursday
<RussellDaytrade> i consider today a victory, paper trading, though i didn't extract much from it, at least i didn't have to suffer an all day onslaught, little better timing and entries, ie, got a favorable lift15:49
raed market better15:50
looks like that lift about 1530 materialized
it was a sneak attack, perhaps price holding above vwap induced buyers/covering15:53
<yvberj> That's it for today. Aggravating day due to outages, but still profitable. Have a good weekend.
<RussellDaytrade> cu yv
just IB's way of keeping people off balance15:54
unfortunately, the ploy works
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<RussellDaytrade>  cancelled all open stop orders paper
<Brutus> Cul8r have a good weekend!15:57
<RussellDaytrade> if no bad news overweekend, could...later..15:58
catch an 8-10 point lift
have a good one brut
i'm hittin the showers, have a good one all
<NihabaAshi> I'm done also for the day...had one trade (profitable) and couldn't trade anymore due to the data problems.16:04

Take care all and have a good weekend.
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* DisconnectedSession Close: Fri Nov 03 16:48:04 200616:48
  
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I don't always trade nor monitor the market from my home office. Sometimes I'll do such from one of my favorite nearby Wi-Fi hotspot or whenever I'm traveling via using this little Wi-Fi detection gadget I got from Think Geek that will show more than just the presence of any nearby signal and its signal strength. It has a 12-character LCD that provides information on signal availability and strength as well as essential network information, including SSID, security status and channel. When multiple networks are present the LCD me to scroll through information for each network.

 

  

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In addition, below are the trading instruments our chat room members monitor closely to make trade decisions:  

CME Emini Futures ES, NQ and ER2 

CBOT mini-sized Dow Futures YM

Eurex Index Derivatives (futures) DAX and DJ Euro Stoxx50

Eurex Fixed Income Derivatives BUND, BOBL and Schatz

Euronext Futures FTSE-100 and CAC-40

CME Futures EuroFX EC

Treasury Futures T-Notes ZN, ZF and T-Bonds ZB

Forex Currencies EurUsd, EurYen and UsdCdn

Exchange Traded Funds DIA, IWM, QQQQ, SPY, OIH, XLE and GLD  

NYMEX Energies Light Crude Oil CL, e-miNY QM and Natural Gas NG

Hang Seng Index Futures HSI

Last of all, if you have any questions about either #EminiFutures general market chat room, #FuturesTrades realtime trade posting room or the two realtime strategy discussion rooms used by traders with access to our fee-based strategies called #TheStrategyLab and #SwingTradingTSL...

Don't hesitate to ask your questions and we'll reply back as soon as possible.

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TheStrategyLab.com

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