#FuturesTrades December 6th Thursday 2007 Trade Log

General Strategy Info: The above profit/loss info represents trades by M.A. Perry (a.k.a. NihabaAshi) only and all trades were posted in realtime as shown in the below chat log. 

Although I'm not familiar with the trade methods used by most members of #FuturesTrades, I use a rule based (no subjectivity) methodology that involves WRB Analysis.

  There is some subjectivity involved with some of my trades when I'm developing a new strategy (hence the name TheStrategyLab.com) that uses WRB Analysis.

In fact, many of my trades or profit targets will occur within key WRB support/resistance zones because these price areas gives me a better understanding of key changes in supply demand.

  Traditional pivot point analysis or traditional s/r levels are inadequate in understanding changes in supply/demand of the Russell 2000 Emini ER2 or any other trading instrument of today's markets in comparison to WRB Analysis.

WRB Analysis is also a key aspect in my use of intermarket analysis (ex. Oil and Gold), market seasonal tendencies, volatility analysis and custom Japanese Candlestick patterns to complete my trading plan that results in consistent profits.

Further, position size management is a key aspect of my trading and I trade any where between 1 to 9 contracts per trade depending upon the volatility, pattern signal, seasonal tendencies or intuition.

All of my trades and commentary for today's market action (posted below) are via the user name NihabaAshi (Japanese Candlestick term) and I exclusively trade the Russell 2000 Emini ER2 futures even though I closely monitor other key markets so that I'll have a better understanding of ER2 price action. 

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	Session Start: Thu Dec 06 08:35:03 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades
* Now	talking in #futurestrades	08:35
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<werner>	gm all	08:46
<bern2>	hi, good morning	09:23
<Nesi>	good morning all
<werner>	hi bern,nesi	09:24
<ripsboy>	Good Morning All...	09:25
<NihabaAshi>	Is today contract change for the Eurex Fixed Income (ex. BUND)
	???	09:26
<bern2>	I think yes
<pat255>	gm all
<bern2>	to march 2008
	yes, definitely
	but EUrex equity indexes still trade dec 2007 for some days:DAX and ESTX50	09:27
<NihabaAshi>	Thanks...my charts looked a little funny as I was doing my market preparation (intermarket analysis) as I get ready to trade Emini ER2
<Trader22>	i have no real feel for my up to 1495 so strong overnite; and then down 15pts from 7am off the bank of england ratecut
	sit on hands at open i think	09:28
<bern2>	yes, I found it the same way Niha :)
<NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 766.20 -> large size	09:30
<base>	GM all
<eminitrader>	Long ES @ 1484.50	09:31
	Exited all ES Long @ 1484.50 --> 0
	Long ES @ 1484.50	09:33
<PapaJon>	gm all
<NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 767.40 --> + 1.2	09:34
	Holding 1 contract only
<werner>	wrb trade?
<NihabaAshi>	ALL my trades involves WRB Analysis...regardless if its a pattern signal, intuition or trade mistake :)	09:35
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	Trading Strategies ->   Strategies used by NihabaAshi, from entry to exit, exploit inefficiencies in the price action for profits of the following trading instruments via WRB Analysis and Intermarket Analysis: Emini Index Futures (EMD, ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Index Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Index Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Energy Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM), COMEX Metals Futures (GC), Forex Currencies (EurUsd, EurYen, UsdCdn), Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, OIH, IWM, QQQQ, SPY, XLE) and Hang Seng Index Futures (HSI)
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1485.75 «« paper »»
<werner>	thnx	09:36
<eminitrader>	Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1586.50 --> + 102	09:37
	oops
	Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1486.50 --> + 2	09:38
<NihabaAshi>	Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 770.20 --> + 4	09:40
<eminitrader>	nice start niha :))	09:41
<startrader>	Covered all ES Short @ 14/ --> + 1485.75 - 14/ «« paper »»	09:43
<ItalianSharp>	do you guys also have a very long interval in VIX?
	long range i meant
<startrader>	That was a long and typo.
<eminitrader>	Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1488 --> + 3.5	09:44
<KiwiRoo>	gm traders...
<eminitrader>	hld 2
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<les>	i'm late logging in again, but here's my long i'm still in...	09:47
<szubaark>	gm les
<les>	Long ER2 @ 770.9 «« paper »»
	hi szu
<eminitrader>	Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1489.50 --> + 5
<NihabaAshi>	Geesh...this thing is really juiced up.
<les>	i gotta major central heating problem, so i keep having to go talk with the engineer	09:48
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1489.75
<werner>	v nice e
<les>	so a bit tardy about posting this trade
<szubaark>	Shorts ES @ 1489.50 «« paper »»
<eminitrader>	rhx w	09:49
<les>	exit stop raised ER2 @ 770.9 «« paper »»
<KiwiRoo>	Strong market.......	09:50
<NihabaAshi>	I think this strong price rise is due the to pending "President Bush Announcment" of the planned rate FREEZE to help subprime borrowers.
<eminitrader>	Covered all ES Short @ 1490.25 --> - 0.5	09:51
<KiwiRoo>	agree!
<les>	i guess they needed a reason to have a bounce :)
<NihabaAshi>	His attempt to bring some stability in the mortgage area.
<KiwiRoo>	I need some retracement to enter a Long.
	here come one...	09:52
<NihabaAshi>	Maybe there's a lot of floor traders that are "subprime borrowers"
	:)
<les>	o sure
<NihabaAshi>	Along with instituitional traders.
<les>	very poor folk, them
<eminitrader>	Long ES @ 1489.25	09:53
<PapaJon>	that and in combo with the Boe rate drop and impending fomc rate drop
<NihabaAshi>	Actually I know one institutional trader that's way in over his head in debt because of the mortgage stuff...
	He could be forclosure soon if he's not careful.
	A lot is dependent upon his December end of the year commission from his firm :(	09:54
	A rate freeze will save his butt.
<KiwiRoo>	what firm is that?	09:55
<NihabaAshi>	Firm in Montreal that handles pension plans.
<les>	here we go again
<pdays>	Shorts ER2 @ 774.5	09:56
<KiwiRoo>	ic..good luck to him...
<les>	jeez its strong
<szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1491 --> - 1.5 «« paper »»
<KiwiRoo>	Nice trade.. eminitrader.
<pdays>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 774.2 --> + 0.3
<eminitrader>	Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1491.25 --> + 2	09:57
<NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 775.50 -> small size
	1 only
<les>	exit stop raised ER2 @ 774.3 «« paper »»
<pat255>	vn guys ...this am ..	09:58
<KiwiRoo>	anyone watching the Tape on the ES ? 731 contracts buyer.
<NihabaAshi>	ER2 has the support to try and test 776 but so far its doing its own thing :(
	support lost :(	09:59
<eminitrader>	Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1490.25 --> + 1
<les>	Trailing Stop Hit ER2 @ 774.3 --> + 3.4 «« paper »»
<PapaJon>	nice trade les
<les>	thx jon
<PapaJon>	quite welcome sir
<NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 774.40 --> - 1.1	10:00
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 774.40
<KiwiRoo>	DOM on ES have huge size on the bid.....
	6000+, 5000+, 3000+, 3000+
<Nesi>	amazing..yup	10:01
<les>	is that orders or trades?
<szubaark>	Shorts ES @ 1489.50 «« paper »»
<KiwiRoo>	I wonder if they're fake.
	orderss resting on the dom.
<les>	ok
<KiwiRoo>	now they're all gone..
	must be BS orders.
<NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 773.90 --> + 0.5	10:02
<les>	KR... heres a chart of the actual trades...	10:03
	http://www.carlin.karoo.net/Charts/pic.p ng
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1490.25
<les>	numbers in the small boxes are the vol all buys minus sells at that time and price	10:04
<startrader>	niha, how badly are you taxed on your gains in Canada and do you hegde your usd exposure or just keep it small in the trading acct?
<NihabaAshi>	star...I pay taxes to the U.S. (I'm not a Canadian citizen).	10:05
<silo2>	:P
<NihabaAshi>	However, starting next year I will be paying taxes in Canada because I've just been approved for residency here after living here and owning property for many years.	10:06
<pat255>	em u are S here?
<szubaark>	[10:03] <eminitrader> Shorts ES @ 1490.25
<pat255>	thks
<szubaark>	nice entry emini, u jumped the gun a little
	u= I
<eminitrader>	yes pat ...tight stops	10:07
<les>	Long ER2 @ 774.3 «« paper »»
<NihabaAshi>	Yes...I hedge my U.S. dollar expenses here in Canada.
<pat255>	ty em ...
	sorry wife distraction sigh	10:08
<silo2>	hey Niha... i noticed you focus mainly on ER2 now.... is there a particular reason? or do you just like the volatility and that you think the ticks and the way and how fast it moves fits your style of trading?
<KiwiRoo>	Long ES @ 90.00
<NihabaAshi>	Life was great back in 2000 and 2001 because I got an extra 50 cents - 60 cents on my U.S. dollar here in Canada
<KiwiRoo>	exit stop set ES @ 89.00
<eminitrader>	Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1489.75 --> + 0.5	10:09
	exit stop lowered ES @ 1490.75
<NihabaAshi>	silo...I prefer to trade a volatile trading instrument or a trading instrument that has extremely strong price movements during key market events.
<eminitrader>	that wld be a b/e trade if hit
<KiwiRoo>	sell limit to exit ES long @ 91.50
<NihabaAshi>	However, due to my family lifestyle and my location...
<Trader22>	the danger of shorint here is that SPX monster pivot 1490 is a chip shot away
<eminitrader>	:(
	Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1490.75 --> - 0.5	10:10
<startrader>	I got a budy who moved to the states 5 years ago, he was going to work for 10 years and retire like a king back home in Canada. Luckily he did repatriate most of his stash in cad over the years.
<NihabaAshi>	I'm unable to trade adequately my favorite trading instruments (EuroFX, DAX, CAC40 and FTSE100).
<KiwiRoo>	Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 91.50 --> + 1.5
<eminitrader>	1484 and 1506 are my SP pivots..
<KiwiRoo>	exit stop set ES @ 91.50
<NihabaAshi>	Simply, spouse wouldn't approve of me getting up at 1am est to prepare to trade.
<eminitrader>	sobviously 1484 is now support ..	10:11
<silo2>	Niha... the ticks for those are really huge right?
<NihabaAshi>	Thus, ER2 is the next best thing for me.
<eminitrader>	next target wld be 1506
<silo2>	like 1 tick is 1000 for some of them?
<NihabaAshi>	Yes
<silo2>	wow
	so 1 point is 1k... that's crazy
<NihabaAshi>	1000 ?
<KiwiRoo>	Exited Remainder ES Long @ 92.00 --> + 2
<silo2>	well 1 dollar in ER2 is 100 isn't it?
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1492.25 «« paper »»	10:12
<silo2>	i remember seeing some of the foreign currency futures with multiplier of 1000
<NihabaAshi>	ER2 is $10 per tick or $100 per 1 point
<PapaJon>	yes silo...
<startrader>	That's why they are called the mini's! I wish the big contracts would migrate to globex.
<NihabaAshi>	Ah...ok...you're talking about the multiplier in Europe stuff\	10:13
<KiwiRoo>	Long ES @ 92.00
<NihabaAshi>	I always say the Europe futures is for the experience traders only :)
<silo2>	if i do try to trade futures in the coming futures... i really need to get comfortable and have the mindset of it all.... since each dollar move on the chart is so much money :)
<KiwiRoo>	exit stop set ES @ 89.00
	exit stop set ES @ 91.00	10:14
	opps.
	Trailing Stop Hit ES @ 91.00 --> - 1
<les>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 774.6 --> + 0.3 «« paper »»
<NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 774.60 -> small size	10:15
<startrader>	Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1490.75 --> + 1.5 «« paper »»
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1491.25	10:16
<KiwiRoo>	Double top ES... back on 11/30. - 1492.75
<eminitrader>	yep
<KiwiRoo>	They need to break this.....	10:17
<startrader>	This is a low volume hanukkah games.
<szubaark>	lol
* sep34	is now known as sep34_away
<eminitrader>	nice sell confirmed on ym and es	10:18
	need to see if it will carry thru
<szubaark>	KiwiRoo thanks for pointing that out, my Shorts should be here
<KiwiRoo>	Once bush opens his monuth, we should break that level. :P	10:19
	np szu.
<eminitrader>	that high was 1492.25 szu
	Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1489.75 --> + 1.5
<KiwiRoo>	check the volume on the DOM right now!!!	10:20
	and watch it disapare soon.
<bern2>	is Bush on tv now?
<NihabaAshi>	Key markets trying to help me but E2 has a mind of its own again :(
<KiwiRoo>	disapear* opps..
<startrader>	That 10:10 and 10:11 1 min volume looks like a fat finger, 3 car difference.
<NihabaAshi>	E2 = ER2
<eminitrader>	Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1491.25 --> 0	10:22
<NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 775.30 --> - 0.7
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 775.30
<silo2>	hey Niha.... i noticed your performance has improved dramatically this year... is there something that you are doing a little differently? something elses that you have adding in into your arsenal?
<NihabaAshi>	More volatility analysis, intermarket analysis and position size management...	10:23
	I'm also adjusting to the new toddler :)
<eminitrader>	Long ES @ 1489.75
	Exited all ES Long @ 1488.75 --> - 1	10:24
<NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 774.40 --> - 0.9
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 774.40
<KiwiRoo>	900 lots sellersss.... on ES.	10:25
<les>	Shorts ER2 @ 773.9 «« paper »»
<NihabaAshi>	My trading the past year is compatible to my trading when I was single.
<KiwiRoo>	hmm..
<silo2>	are these new things included in the 3 packages you offer? or you haven't added them in yet	10:26
<NihabaAshi>	silo...send me pm if you talking about my strategies.
	I don't talk about them in #FuturesTrades because its a spam free room
<silo2>	got it	10:27
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1489.75 «« paper »»	10:28
<KiwiRoo>	Long ES @ 89.50
	one of us will be right.
	exit stop set ES @ 88.50	10:29
<les>	usually its the doing live :)
<startrader>	Can both be right, just depends on the heat.
<les>	guy doing live
<KiwiRoo>	buyers on the tape.. :P	10:30
<szubaark>	KiwiRoo buying the retrace here?
<KiwiRoo>	Trendline..
<NihabaAshi>	I'm stuck in some chop that decided to show up :(
<KiwiRoo>	gonna get me here....
<les>	to me it looks like sideways stuff
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1489.25 -> Add «« paper »»
<KiwiRoo>	Long ES @ 89.50	10:31
<eminitrader>	Long ES @ 1488.25
<KiwiRoo>	opps.
	wrong button.
	Trailing Stop Hit ES @ 88.50 --> - 1
<startrader>	Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1488.50 --> + 0.75 «« paper »»
<les>	weak break attempt so far
<startrader>	30 min close should add some fuel to the selling.	10:33
	Covered 1/4 ES Short @ 1488 --> + 1.75 «« paper »»	10:34
<jperl>	time for a break....trades here....	10:35
	http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-12-06/JP ERL_017.jpg	10:36
<Pepe>	nice
<startrader>	Support at the top of value area at 88. Would like to see it close to 82.
<KiwiRoo>	3 suppports here.. 87.50, 87.00, and 86.25.
<NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 773.00 --> + 1.4	10:37
<eminitrader>	Long ES @ 1487.50 -> Add	10:38
<les>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 773.3 --> + 0.6 «« paper »»
	done for 2day	10:39
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1488.75 -> Add «« paper »»
<KiwiRoo>	nice trade.. emini..	10:40
<eminitrader>	thx K
<KiwiRoo>	too many support below the 87.50 areas...
<eminitrader>	ugot out a bit too early
<KiwiRoo>	88.50 is another one.
	1 point stop for me....	10:41
	1-1.5 max.
<eminitrader>	looks like consolidation ...before attempting a test of high
<KiwiRoo>	looks like we are waiting for bush.. LOL>
<szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1489.50 --> 0 «« paper »»
<NihabaAshi>	:)
<eminitrader>	then retest of lows :))	10:42
	Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1488.25 --> + 0.75	10:43
	nah...thats a b/e exit on my first entry
<szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1489.50 «« paper »»	10:45
<bern2>	kiwiroo: when you say that is because Bush is scheduled to appear on tv or it is just a joke?
<KiwiRoo>	Bush has plan to help borrrowers...
<silo2>	it is no joke	10:46
	he is coming on tv at 1.15 pm or something
	not sure the exact ti me
	but around 1
<bern2>	ok, thanks indeed
<Nesi>	1:40 pm NY time
<eminitrader>	Exited 2/3 ES Long @ 1490.25 --> + 2
	hld 2
<bern2>	something to take into account
	thanks
<eminitrader>	exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1487.50
<NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 776.20 -> small size	10:47
<KiwiRoo>	Nice move..... 92 is coming..
	clearway to 92.
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1490.75 -> Add «« paper »»	10:48
<KiwiRoo>	bush speaking at 1:45 fyi.
<NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 777.30 --> + 1.1	10:52
<szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1491.50 --> + 2 «« paper »»	10:54
<KiwiRoo>	nice job guys.... 92, 93 is big resistance....	10:55
<eminitrader>	agree ..missed a nice exit ...had 92.50
	as target	10:56
<KiwiRoo>	hehe.. told ya... 92 was coming and that was about all it was getting to...
	this is harder than I thought... posting trade and watching the market....so hats off to u.	10:57
<eminitrader>	smoke time ..be back
<NihabaAshi>	Kiwi...I've been doing it since 1998 (executing trades, posting the trades et cetera).
<silo2>	hahah :)
<eminitrader>	exit stop raised ES @ 1489.50	10:58
<NihabaAshi>	It took about a year or so to get use to it.
<KiwiRoo>	not easy niha...
	i have too many windows to watch.. LOL.
<eminitrader>	whats working for me ..is keeping this as the journal...	10:59
<KiwiRoo>	btw: what have you found in ER that is attractive to u ? (against es, nq ?)
<NihabaAshi>	I keep my IRC minimized and its setup to beep (make a sound) when particular key words are posted in the room (ex. Nihab, Nihaba, NihabaAshi, FED et cetera).
<KiwiRoo>	good idea... emini...
<eminitrader>	works well...has time stamps ...stop mgmt ...all i need for my logs	11:00
<NihabaAshi>	Thus, its not always in my face sort'uv speak unless I'm in the mood to chat.
<Trader22>	next up is 12495 and dow 13,500
<KiwiRoo>	True that...
<eminitrader>	Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1491.50 --> + 3.25
	kbe back
<KiwiRoo>	if we breake the HIgh it should rocket up with hitting stopsss...	11:01
	excuse my spelling.. lol.
<eminitrader>	1496-1498 next res area as per my charts
* codehead_afk	is now known as codehead	11:02
<KiwiRoo>	97, 01 ... for me.. as next resistance...
<NihabaAshi>	Reminder -> First of all, I don't do any mentoring even though I myself was mentored. However, if anyone is looking for mentor...please read the following discussion to prevent problems @ http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread .php?s=&postid=1704475	11:08
	That's for those that are considering to be mentored or thinking about doing mentoring.	11:09
<silo2>	niha was mentored?	11:11
	who is the master yoda's master?
<NihabaAshi>	Yeah, because I didn't realize there was more important things than pattern signals.	11:12
<KiwiRoo>	Symmetry triangle on ES.. FYI.
<NihabaAshi>	Needed to learn what else was involved in profitable trading.
<szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1491.75 «« paper »»	11:13
<KiwiRoo>	broken.. but too many resistance up top.
<NihabaAshi>	Wasn't a big deal considering I've been mentored (coaches and trainers) when I competed in sports et cetera.
	I just needed someone to help me traverse what I learned from sports and the military into my trading.	11:14
	That person helped me do that.
<startrader>	Long ES @ 1491.50 «« paper »»	11:15
<silo2>	what area of sports were you in niha?>
<NihabaAshi>	That's personal and reveals too much about my personal life.
	Regardless, there's strong links between succeeding in sports and excelling in the military with trading.	11:17
	Once I connected the dots (only dots I had sort'uv speak)...my trading improved.
	That's why I'm a strong believer that our personal lives has a strong impact on our trading.	11:18
	Thus, if someone is the type to lack discipline in their personal life...
	Good chance it will carry over into their trading.
<silo2>	oh definetly
<szubaark>	:)
<pat255>	v true N	11:19
<silo2>	need a strong will, determination, and self discipline
<szubaark>	trading will expose every flaw that one has.
<silo2>	i was pretty into sports too
	3rd place in my state's track meet :)
<NihabaAshi>	szu...absolutely correct.
	Any weakness we have...trading will find it :(	11:20
<silo2>	1/3 if not 1/2 of trading is psychological
<startrader>	Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1492 --> + 1.25 «« paper »»
<szubaark>	yeah but u also need good entries, exits	11:21
	sellers coming in at double top
<startrader>	Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1491 --> - 0.5 «« paper »»
<NihabaAshi>	However, everybody is a little different in that reaction to certain situations in trading will be different.	11:22
	Any weakness we have all we can do is learn to recognize them, control them and maybe even eliminate them (not likely).
<szubaark>	Screen Time is King.	11:23
<NihabaAshi>	Most good traders just learn to "control" their weakness...manage them sort'uv speak.
<startrader>	Long ES @ 1492 «« paper »»
<silo2>	yeah the hardest part of trading is being able to not deviate from your own trading plan	11:24
	that's why most traders fail
<startrader>	that's what I was looking for.
<szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1493.50 --> + 1.75 «« paper »»
<startrader>	Exited 2/3 ES Long @ 1494 --> + 2 «« paper »»	11:25
	Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1493.75 --> + 1.75 «« paper »»	11:27
<Trader22>	you were talking about helping; good friend of mine in CA; her problem was she papertraded for few months; did quite well; but wheneve she'd do a real trade, she'd lose; or have small wins; then back to winning papertrades, then do another real trade and lose again. Didn't know how to help her
	NihabaAshi: what wuld u say to someone like like	11:28
	like that
<Nesi>	that person looks like me :)
<Trader22>	over time, i've tried to help her, but dont know how to break the rut she is in
<KiwiRoo>	damn it.. I got caugth buying the fake out...	11:31
<startrader>	Long ES @ 1493.75 «« paper »»	11:32
<KiwiRoo>	very 2 sided..... ..	11:33
	900 lots bought...
	still not enough.....
<eminitrader>	looks like nq is hld the mrkt es im showing good strenght	11:38
	im=ym
<NihabaAshi>	[11:27] <Trader22> you were talking about helping; good friend of mine in CA; her problem was she papertraded for few months; did quite well; but wheneve she'd do a real trade, she'd lose; or have small wins; then back to winning papertrades, then do another real trade and lose again. Didn't know how to help her	11:39
	[11:28] <Trader22> NihabaAshi: what wuld u say to someone like like
<Trader22>	yes, was curious / as you seem like me to be into the zen of trading	11:40
	that the mental/emotioinal is important
<NihabaAshi>	I'm a strong believer that if you have a method that's completed...you shouldn't be paper trading.	11:41
<Trader22>	but for her, I simply never found advice that helped
<NihabaAshi>	Paper trading is only for those that are using a new trading execution platform or for those that are still in the process of developing their trading plan.
<Trader22>	no what happens is she'll do some real trades, lose, then lose confidence and for a day or two go back to paper trading;be right with paper; go back to real and lose
<NihabaAshi>	Thus, once you develop your trading plan or become comfortable in using a new trading software...	11:42
	Stop paper trading.
<silo2>	'cuz then you have to practice real trading
	'cuz that actually involves greed and fear
<NihabaAshi>	Those that continue paper trading beyond that risk developing what I call "reaction lag".
<silo2>	'cuz real money in on the line..
<Trader22>	nods, good point/thanks	11:43
<silo2>	and you have to develope the strength and proper discipline to manage the greed and fear
<Trader22>	13,500 dow print
<NihabaAshi>	Yep...real money on the line suddenly has a new face in comparison to paper trading.
	Same method is being used but your reaction skills are much different.
<szubaark>	Shorts ES @ 1494 «« paper »»
<silo2>	like if you are only down 100 bucks.... you shrug it off 'cuz if the market goes up a little then you're back in business... but that's HOPE	11:44
<NihabaAshi>	Best thing for her is to trade small as possible or only paper trade during her most problematic time spans.
<silo2>	if the market doesn't go back up... then your small loss will become a big loss
<Trader22>	for her, it's all about her self confidence
<NihabaAshi>	For example, if she's profitable in the morning but losses all her profits in the afternoon...
<silo2>	and then you have to think should i get out now .. i mean it's already dropped so much... maybe i'll hold a little bit more
<NihabaAshi>	She should only trade with real money in the morning and reduce her position size in the afternoon, paper trade or don't trade at all in the afternoon.	11:45
<silo2>	or at least ease back on the number of contracts... by reducing them	11:46
<Trader22>	not a time of day thing for her, not like she's making in am and losing in pm; another friend had that problem, but that was fixable
	thanks for the input
<silo2>	then it's alll psychological then
<NihabaAshi>	Traders with "confidence" issues has other things going on that's outside of trading.
<Trader22>	umm, how so
	I believe for some self-confidence is very important unless they are 100% T/A trader
<silo2>	it's simple GREED FEAR and HOPE
<NihabaAshi>	I don't know her personally...everbody is different.
<silo2>	she just needs to trade the system. apply the proper management... and not get affected by the amrket	11:47
	trade to trade... not trade to big money
	'cuz if you're just thinking about making money... you will deviate from your game plan
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<silo2>	holding on to something that you shouldn't have... or extending your stay
<NihabaAshi>	I "GUARANTEE" there's something in her personal life that's sabotaging her trading whenever I here that someone has a "confidence" issue.
	Especially when the do well in paper trading (no risk) in comparison to real money trading (risk).	11:48
<silo2>	it imght not be that.... it's just that majority of the peole need a time to realize how t hey are sabotaging t heir own system
<Nesi>	any idea of what kind of problem it may be.. Niha ?
<silo2>	by letting their emotions get in the way
	that's why most traders lose money and give up	11:49
<NihabaAshi>	Nesi...I don't know her.
	For example...
<silo2>	'cuz it's human nature for us to get greedy, to hope, to fear
	it's once we have conquer those attributes do traders start to see progress
	'cuz then when you look at your report, you're looking at the result from your system
	not a mix result from your system AND your emotions	11:50
<NihabaAshi>	All of my losing trading days the past 7 years occurred within a week after a "traumatic" event in my personal life.
	I know a guy that's been profitable for 12 years (6 figures) of the past 15 years of trading.	11:51
	Those 3 losing years occurred during nasty divorce and legal stuff involving such.
	Kids involved
<Trader22>	my business nosedived during my divorce	11:52
	flat here; wanna short; but no selling yet	11:53
	and now that spx1490 has printed; one thought it seeing a massive buy prog to pop es to 1500
<pat255>	later guys ty all
<Trader22>	so back to waiting :(
<szubaark>	feels like a little topping action here	11:58
<ItalianSharp>	szu, it FEELS like yet it keeps rising	12:00
<szubaark>	creeper uptrend :(	12:01
<Pepe>	what is the etf for ER2 pls?
	etf = ETF
<ItalianSharp>	ER2 looks like it wants to break to the upside	12:03
	almost perfect triangle
	it's been banging against the highs since 10am
	here we go, new highs...:)	12:04
	NQ only mkt holding other eminis from rallying stronger	12:05
<Guest35179>	Shorts ER2 @ 778.5	12:06
<Brutus>	p IWM	12:09
<Pepe>	thanks Brutus	12:10
<szubaark>	i see a lot of Resistance here on ES from 11/14	12:11
<Guest35179>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 777.4 --> + 1.1	12:12
<eminitrader>	true szu...ES nq and ym are all around the retractement levels from the all time highs to the so called correction lows	12:18
<szubaark>	also lots of open gaps Below to fill (longer term)	12:19
<eminitrader>	only 2 szu ..14623.25 and 1427.25
	1463.25	12:20
	maybe the fed will do that :)
<NihabaAshi>	Anybody know the time of that "Bomb Blast in Paris" ???	12:21
<Nesi>	around 7 :30 am this morning	12:22
	ny time
<NihabaAshi>	Thanks
<Nesi>	market did react a little
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1494.50 «« paper »»
	low risk.	12:23
<Guest35179>	Shorts ER2 @ 778.6	12:24
<startrader>	Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1493.50 --> + 1 «« paper »»	12:27
<Guest35179>	targeting 777
<startrader>	Covered all ES Short @ 1494.25 --> + 0.25 «« paper »»	12:30
<Guest35179>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 779.5 --> - 0.9	12:36
<Brutus>	12/06/2007 07:50 *DJ French Police: 6 Hurt In Paris Parcel Bomb Explosion - AFP	12:42
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1495.50 «« paper »»	12:47
	itsy bitsy risk:)
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1495.25	12:50
<startrader>	Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1494.75 --> + 0.75 «« paper »»	12:53
<eminitrader>	Covered all ES Short @ 1495.25 --> 0	12:55
<Nesi>	Shorts ER2 @ 779.40 «« paper »»	12:56
<silo2>	Niha y ou're not trading right now? you typically dont trade the mid-day noise right?
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1495.50	12:57
	large size
<NihabaAshi>	silo...my not trading has nothing to do with the mid day price action.	12:58
<Nesi>	how many c ?
<NihabaAshi>	I just finish with lunch :)
<eminitrader>	lol
	nice one
	me N	12:59
<NihabaAshi>	I take most of my trading breaks in the afternoon because I'm just tired in comparison to feeling energized in the morning.
	I also do a lot of family stuff in the afternoon trading session.
<eminitrader>	Covered all ES Short @ 1496.25 --> - 0.75
<silo2>	ah
<NihabaAshi>	I miss about a good 2 hrs of trading on average each trading day	13:00
<szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1496.50 --> - 2.5 «« paper »»
<Guest35179>	Long ER2 @ 779.8
<silo2>	was just wondering... 'cuz some traders dont like to trade mid-day because sometimes the institutions stop their activity then... and also specialist on the floor sometimes steps away and give the responsibility to the assistant around that time
	so even if the price move... sometimes they are not sustainable
	i'm talking stock actions of course
	probably dont matter in futures as much 'cuz futures trades so fast	13:01
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1497 -> Add «« paper »»	13:02
<Guest35179>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 780.5 --> + 0.7	13:03
<startrader>	1496.75 exact 50% from contract high to low since rollover, gotta giveem a couple handles to shake out stops.	13:06
<Trader22>	startrader: what 2 numbers used in that math
<eminitrader>	yep iam looking 1498 area to see
<startrader>	Looking at regular trading hours, 1586.75 on 10.11 and 1406.75 on 11.26. Through out the overnight in those big ranges.	13:08
<eminitrader>	[12:18:59] <eminitrader> true szu...ES nq and ym are all around the retractement levels from the all time highs to the so called correction lows
* sep34_away	is now known as sep34	13:09
<Trader22>	startrader thanks
<startrader>	no problem.	13:10
<eminitrader>	had seels @ 1498.50 and 1499.50 10 lot each ..looks like i missed it
<Nesi>	it would be interesting to see how market reacts once Bush on tv	13:11
	i see the market priced in the cc
<startrader>	That is my worry but the details are already out there.
	Last retrace on this move up gave 15 handles from 75 to 60.75 on 11.28.	13:13
	vn 15 min close on the es!	13:15
	Going for 1463 on the last car on this trade a very tight stop. Don't get setups like this everyday.	13:22
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1495.25	13:23
	10 lot
<Nesi>	BUSH ON	13:24
	ALERT
	Paulson at his side
	he is on after Bush..fwiw
<eminitrader>	Covered ES Short @ 1495.25 --> 0	13:28
	Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1495.25
<ItalianSharp>	this must be the most boring time we've had all year	13:30
	it's like watching paint dry
<Nesi>	:/
<eminitrader>	Exited all ES Long @ 1493.75 --> - 1.5	13:31
<Trader22>	is it just me or jhas the last few days been SO hard to trade?	13:32
<szubaark>	Shorts ES @ 1493.25 «« paper »»
<Trader22>	like one cannot leave screens for 10min
<Nesi>	market some pressure
<startrader>	This is exciting all the stars are aligning.
<Trader22>	supp at 1492.50 so not gonna chase this short yet	13:33
<Nesi>	oil some love fwiw
	BUSH done	13:35
	Paulson next..fwiw
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1493.50
	Covered all ES Short @ 1494 --> - 0.5	13:36
	Shorts ES @ 1495	13:38
	10 lot only
	Covered all ES Short @ 1495 --> 0	13:41
<Pepe>	emini how maby lot is large size for you?	13:42
	maby = many
<eminitrader>	20
<Pepe>	thanks
<Nesi>	wow
<eminitrader>	have held 30 ...but try not to go over	13:43
	Shorts ES @ 1496
<Pepe>	do you trade something else than ES?
<eminitrader>	no	13:44
<Pepe>	why?
<eminitrader>	????
	no..SEAE
<silo2>	seems like everyone has their own futures that they love
	:)
<Pepe>	ok :)
<eminitrader>	pepe...main reason is ES gives the biggest bang for the buck...	13:46
<Pepe>	thx
<KiwiRoo>	and u can lose the biggest :P
<eminitrader>	finally caught the correcvt price to short	13:47
<silo2>	ES is only 1 pt = 50 though
	ER2 is 1pt = 100
<KiwiRoo>	Nice shorting....
<eminitrader>	ES tick = 12.50 ..er2 tick = 10
	thx K	13:48
	Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1494 --> + 2
<Nesi>	a point on ES is 60 bucks ?
<KiwiRoo>	50
<Nesi>	thanks
<eminitrader>	12.5 times 4 = 50
<Nesi>	:/
<KiwiRoo>	bush speaking yet?
<Nesi>	he is done	13:49
	Paulsonin two minutes
	he is ON
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1495 -> Add	13:50
	stops in be back
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<Pepe>	Paulson speaking yet?	13:56
<eminitrader>	Covered ES Short @ 1493 --> + 3	13:57
	Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1493
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1493.75 -> Add «« paper »»	14:00
<eminitrader>	Exited ES Long @ 1493 --> 0	14:04
	Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1493
<startrader>	I would like to order one steep waterfall selloff please.	14:05
<eminitrader>	Covered all ES Short @ 1494 --> 0	14:07
	no thats -1	14:08
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1494.75 -> Add «« paper »»
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1495.50
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1496.25 -> Add «« paper »»	14:10
	That is it, stops above.
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1496 -> Add
<KiwiRoo>	does look like a failure to long here...	14:14
	u seem like a support and resistance trader... Eminit?	14:15
	like fading the moves looking for weakness in price action...	14:16
<eminitrader>	given todays mrkt...but basically just one of my metods
	Covered all ES Short @ 1497 --> - 2.5	14:17
	Shorts ES @ 1496.75	14:18
<KiwiRoo>	Shorts ES @ 96.75
	2 ticks stop	14:19
<eminitrader>	large size
	:))
	same here
<KiwiRoo>	ok make that 3 ticks.
	and out... :(
<eminitrader>	:((
<KiwiRoo>	reverse Long..	14:20
<eminitrader>	Covered all ES Short @ 1497.25 --> - 0.5
<KiwiRoo>	Long ES @ 97.75
	1501.75 next stop
<Guest35179>	Shorts ER2 @ 782.5
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1498.50
<KiwiRoo>	next stop as in next resistance.
	Exited all ES Long @ 97.75 --> 0	14:21
<eminitrader>	Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1497 --> + 1.5	14:25
	exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1498.50	14:26
<Nesi>	amazing trading, emini
<KiwiRoo>	i reckon..
<Nesi>	oil back to 90's fwiw	14:27
<eminitrader>	srewed up the previous trade ...meant the reversal long @ 1495...shld hace given it more time to work...all was in place ...except my patience..:(
<Guest35179>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 782.2 --> + 0.3
<eminitrader>	Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1498.50 --> 0
<startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1498.50 «« paper »»	14:28
<eminitrader>	not 1495 meant 1493
<startrader>	Did not think would give another chance.
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1498.50	14:29
<Guest35179>	Shorts ER2 @ 782.6
<eminitrader>	looking like a stop runner
	lets see
<KiwiRoo>	still believe 1501.75 will be hit by end of day..	14:30
<eminitrader>	will sell in lots and hold 20 ..with stop @ 1502.25
	Shorts ES @ 1499.50 -> Add	14:31
<Guest35179>	Covered ER2 Short @ 783.2 --> - 0.6
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 783.2
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1500.50 -> Add	14:34
<Guest35179>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 784.1 --> + 0.9
<KiwiRoo>	i have my target at 01.50 .. did not post entry in the room.
<eminitrader>	kld 10 now
	exit stop set ES @ 1502.50	14:36
<startrader>	This is a big pivot area, back to price on the sept 18th fed cut.
<KiwiRoo>	1501.75 is magnet.	14:38
	done and out.	14:39
<Guest35179>	Long ER2 @ 784.2
<eminitrader>	:((
	Covered all ES Short @ 1592.50 --> - 186
	thats 1502.50	14:40
<Guest35179>	looking to break to upside
<KiwiRoo>	-186 that would send me broke.. lol.
<eminitrader>	lol
	me too
<KiwiRoo>	this turns into a trend long now.	14:41
	so... don't short it.... :)
<ItalianSharp>	i guess todays move can be forerunner of tuesday's FOMC
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1503
<KiwiRoo>	next stop. 1506.
<startrader>	1504 is my line in the sand.	14:42
<KiwiRoo>	1506.75 to be exact.. next resistance.. and magnet price.	14:44
<eminitrader>	Covered all ES Short @ 1593 --> - 90
	man..thas a b/e
	Covered all ES Short @ 1503 --> 0
	Shorts ES @ 1504	14:45
<Guest35179>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 785 --> + 0.8
<KiwiRoo>	I've reentered long at 02.50 .. still sit until 06.50 hit or BE stop.
* Trader22	short somesize 1503s; 2pt stop	14:46
<startrader>	nice short e, there is no volume behind this move, but that is relative.	14:48
<eminitrader>	Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1503 --> + 1
	be back	14:52
<jperl>	enough for today.....trades here
	http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-12-06/JP ERL_0111.jpg	14:53
<Nesi>	thanks Jperl	14:55
<szubaark>	amazing strength, just keep going up LOL	14:56
<eminitrader>	Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1504 --> 0	15:01
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<KiwiRoo>	they won't stop until 06.75 hits :P	15:02
	I'm filled 06.50 done deal....	15:05
<eminitrader>	nice trading K
<startrader>	vn k!	15:06
<KiwiRoo>	tx.. sorry couldn't call it.. every i post entry.. i get stops.. rofl.
	Next stop if they get pass 07.. is 09.	15:07
<eminitrader>	Shorts ES @ 1406.75
* Trader22	latepost stophit while away 1505-2	15:08
<eminitrader>	Covered 2/3 ES Short @ 1505.25 --> - 98.5	15:09
	oops
	repost
	Shorts ES @ 1506.75
	Covered 2/3 ES Short @ 1505.25 --> + 1.5
<rainer>	Shorts YM @ 13614	15:10
	Covered all YM Short @ 13605 --> + 9	15:13
<eminitrader>	Covered ES Short @ 1503.75 --> + 3	15:15
	hld 1
<KiwiRoo>	are we gonna retest 07 here.....	15:16
<gabe>	Shorts ER2 @ 783.90 «« paper »»	15:17
<Trader22>	thoughts; anyont think retest 1500?
<silo2>	not much volatility on ER2 todya... except at 2pm	15:18
<eminitrader>	Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1505.75 --> + 1	15:22
<NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 784.80 -> small size
	ooops
	Long ER2 @ 784.80 -> small size	15:23
<KiwiRoo>	its half past.. they will try to break the high.	15:31
<NihabaAshi>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 784.90 --> + 0.1
<KiwiRoo>	time of day was perfect for a push... but too bad couldn't get it done..	15:32
<silo2>	Niha, there's not much volatility in ER2 today huh? :(	15:34
	at 2. there was a decent move
	but that was pretty much it :(
<NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 785.70 -> small size	15:36
<gabe>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 785.90 --> - 2 «« paper »»
<KiwiRoo>	09 here we come..
<NihabaAshi>	It's got support for such at the moment...	15:37
	Hopefully it doesn't lose that support.
	Meant for 787 price area	15:38
<KiwiRoo>	09 have to hit or they can't sleep....	15:39
	lol got there...	15:40
	shitz.. what my next level.
	12 next..resistance. and magnet. if pass 09.
<NihabaAshi>	:(	15:41
	Exited all ER2 Long @ 786.00 --> + 0.3
<rainer>	Shorts YM @ 13625 -> medium size	15:42
<NihabaAshi>	volatility contracting	15:47
	I'm expecting a price spike here soon (up or down)
<rainer>	Covered all YM Short @ 13644 --> - 19	15:51
<NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 786.90 -> small size
	Just missed grabbing 786.70
<KiwiRoo>	12 coming for ES.	15:52
<NihabaAshi>	Just lost the support on that up move :(
	Exited ER2 Long @ 787.10 --> + 0.2
<rainer>	Shorts YM @ 13645	15:53
<NihabaAshi>	IN a few minutes here we'll see another price spike (up or down) due to the 4pm est closure (spike between now and 4pm est)	15:56
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<NihabaAshi>	Because support is lost...my bet is that the price spike will be down
	volatility stabilizing again...all bets off :)	15:58
<rainer>	Covered all YM Short @ 13635 --> + 10	15:59
<NihabaAshi>	volatility spike
	Didn't last long :(	16:00
	Long ER2 @ 787.20 -> small size	16:01
<Brutus>	============ U.S. MARKETS ACTION ===========	16:03
	DJIA up 176.23 points to 13621.19
	NASDAQ up 39.79 points to 2706.15
	S&P 500 up 21.37 points to 1506.38
	10-year T-note down 16/32 at 101 27/32 yield 4.021
	NYMEX Spot Crude up $1.11 at $ 90.23/bbl at close
	Dollar/Euro up 0.0014 at 1.4625
	http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/tda meritrade-com/html-story.asp?guid={ff5ed 488-c27b-4a12-85d7-80ad4b8eb18b}
<NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 787.50 --> + 0.3	16:04
<werner>	gn niha ,all	16:09
<NihabaAshi>	Take care all and see all tomorrow	16:11
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