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<PapaJon> | gm all |
<Dmi76> | gm all |
<intowin> | I will probably take a third off soon just to cover the cost of getting stopped out if it happens | 09:32 |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 818.4 «« paper »» |
* szubaark_away | is now known as szubaark |
<eminitrader> | itw..pls dont change/modify ur trading plan based on my analysis.. |
<base> | GM |
<intowin> | no that was on the original plan.. | 09:33 |
<eminitrader> | k..:)) |
<intowin> | 1/3rd at +4 1/3rd at +7 let the rest ride till stopped at b/e |
<pat255> | gm all | 09:37 |
<eminime68> | gm |
<pat255> | hi em ...any bias this AM ..or just wait | 09:38 |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 818.8 -> Add «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | just waiting for now.. |
| [09:30:11] <eminitrader> my read says there is a good probability of a strong downmove today |
<pat255> | ty em |
<eminitrader> | [09:33:32] <eminitrader> .pls dont change/modify ur trading plan based on my analysis.. | 09:39 |
<Pepe> | gm all |
<pat255> | nah but good to know what the master trader is thinking ,, | 09:40 |
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<eminitrader> | hehehehe..nice joke |
<Dmi76> | ))) |
<pat255> | we are responsible for our trades ..:) |
<eminitrader> | have been trading light ll wk...and the same today too |
<pat255> | k.. | 09:41 |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1543.50 | 09:42 |
| 1 only ...will add @ 1544.50 ...stop @ 1547 | 09:43 |
<pat255> | k ..nice em good plan |
<les> | Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 820 --> + 1.2 «« paper »» |
<intowin> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1543.75 --> + 4 |
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<eminitrader> | nice one itw |
<intowin> | thanks |
<eminitrader> | be back |
<asuni> | itw, better than the trip :-) | 09:44 |
<szubaark> | les lots of patience there |
<les> | :) |
<Brutus> | 0945/1345 Sep Chicago PMI |
| Purchasing Managers Index |
| (Adjusted) 53 53.8 |
| 1000/1400 Sep Reuters/Univ Mich Index, final |
| Sentiment Index End month 84 83.4 |
| Sentiment Index Mid Month 83.8 |
| 1000/1400 Aug Construction Spending |
| New Construction -0.3% -0.4% |
<szubaark> | Shorts ES @ 1544.25 «« paper »» | 09:46 |
| exit stop set ES @ 1545.25 «« paper »» | 09:47 |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 15.44.50 -> Add | 09:48 |
| late post |
| now holding 2 avg 1544...stop 1547 | 09:50 |
<szubaark> | Covered 1/2 Short ES at 1543 --> + 1.25 «« paper »» |
| exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1544.25 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | and here comes the boring part ...the waiting ...for the stop to be hit or for the moola :) |
<intowin> | yep.. | 09:51 |
<pat255> | em has very simple expectations ...lol |
<eminitrader> | shorts having a terribly boring time the last few sessions | 09:52 |
<pat255> | y notice that ...em very careful with them .. | 09:53 |
<eminitrader> | shld be their day todsy :) |
<pat255> | hope so .. |
<eminitrader> | u short too .. | 09:54 |
<pat255> | nope em ...last 2 days look for L side .. |
<eminitrader> | k |
<pat255> | it has worked better but i get out early .. |
<eminitrader> | i had a lot of brek time this wk..it was kinda crazy.. | 09:55 |
<pat255> | me get too jumpy ..but try to folow your patience |
| & hold so far not easy for me .. |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1544.25 --> 0 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | same today ...this is going to be my only trade ..will take a half day |
<pat255> | not a bad idea .. |
<intowin> | same plan here E. At least one of us will be a winner lol | 09:56 |
<pat255> | in where do u get in? |
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<eminitrader> | chart says a huge day coming ..nice probability its to the down side...and hope its TODAY..:)) |
<intowin> | 39.75 long es | 09:57 |
<pat255> | vn in |
<intowin> | refrains from comment |
<eminitrader> | the mrkts the winner all the time itw...end of the day |
<intowin> | yep |
<Tim_a> | huge day coming because of extended congestion at resistence? | 09:58 |
<eminitrader> | for the simple reason .....it can never be wrong |
<pat255> | v true |
<eminitrader> | maybe so T ...but my reasoning is cause of pa on the long term chart | 09:59 |
| reasoning = read |
<Tim_a> | long term as in...? | 10:00 |
<les> | powerful bounce off 819.6 |
| if that move is sustained, could trend to upside today |
<eminitrader> | daily and weekly | 10:01 |
<les> | my daily on er2 also shows potential for a faller... |
| but i keep getting bullish sigs today, so maybe not yet |
<eminitrader> | looks like the down move is conformed :)) | 10:02 |
<szubaark> | yup,looks like just a Stop run |
<Tim_a> | do you mean change in trend, e? |
<eminitrader> | yep |
| exit stop lowered ES @ 1546 | 10:03 |
<szubaark> | Shorts ES @ 1544 «« paper »» |
<Tim_a> | the primary trend direction generally is the slow grind, this move up was sharp and violent |
<les> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 819.5 --> + 1.1 «« paper »» | 10:05 |
<szubaark> | Covered 1/2 Short ES at 1542.50 --> + 1.5 «« paper »» |
<les> | there ya go em :) |
<szubaark> | exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1544 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | never know les...givin the strenght of the mrkt, being a friday and last day of the month and the qtr | 10:06 |
| but sticking to my read of the flow |
<les> | true.. altho my analysis of the daily does show strong down potential at some point |
| all the way to 788.9 on er2 | 10:07 |
| just dunno when :) |
<Brutus> | Dont know how funds and performance/bonus is measured but the SPX is up for the month and qtr at the moment, can anyone elaborate ? | 10:08 |
<intowin> | I have to run and get a prop for my boat.. doing some skiing later. | 10:09 |
<eminitrader> | think its the opening tick...but not sure B |
<intowin> | moving my stop to 1538.75 to make sure I have a profitable day. |
| bbl |
<Tim_a> | what else about the chart makes you think trend change, e? | 10:10 |
<eminitrader> | just the pa |
| cld very well go into a chop before making a move | 10:11 |
| but i now see a low probability of new highs...so maybe chop rest of the day or a high probability of new lows | 10:12 |
| if its new highs...there is always a probaility ..then i expect a major move upto 1560 | 10:13 |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1541.25 --> + 2.75 «« paper »» | 10:16 |
<ItalianSharp> | nothing appears strong enough to move this mkt...still stuck in an ugly range |
<les> | Shorts ER2 @ 817.4 «« paper »» |
| right near yest low on er2, so at least a pause here | 10:21 |
<Brutus> | V high vol for the ER | 10:22 |
<les> | yes, and this bounce looks like short covering | 10:23 |
| no sign of buyers |
<eminitrader> | if the es does not get to 1542 and we see new lows...expect a big downtrend day....if it gets to 1543 and then expect a retest of lows ...but probability of strong downtrend reduces |
<les> | i guess it depends on the size of the bounce em :) | 10:24 |
<eminitrader> | k guys thats what my crstall ball is whispering :)) now the secret is out of the bag:) |
<szubaark> | Buys ES @ 1540.75 «« paper »» | 10:25 |
<Brutus> | dont trade against the ball Szu :) |
<les> | break coming |
<pat255> | vn em .. |
<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1539.75 --> - 1 «« paper »» |
<Dmi76> | Shorts ER2 @ 814.9 | 10:26 |
<eminitrader> | there u go B heheheh |
<szubaark> | just a scalp |
<eminitrader> | wanted to see at least a 8 - 10 tick move to the downside:( | 10:27 |
<Dmi76> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 813.4 --> + 1.5 |
<eminitrader> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1539 --> + 0 + 15.44.50 - 1539 | 10:28 |
| thats my fiver..:) |
<pat255> | vvn |
<eminitrader> | and now wait for my tenner |
<szubaark> | nice |
<eminitrader> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1539 --> + 4.5 |
<les> | exit stop lowered ER2 @ 815.9 «« paper »» |
<pat255> | lol ...mkt is in em sight .. |
<Tim_a> | vn, e |
<eminitrader> | thats better its actually 5.5 |
| thx guys | 10:29 |
<Brutus> | good analysis EMT |
<pat255> | tried 1 L on er ...just 2 ticks got out .. |
<eminitrader> | like u said B...dont go against the ball :) |
<pat255> | hmmm dont bet against em ... |
<Brutus> | yep esp when ER and NQ leading | 10:30 |
<les> | exit stop lowered ER2 @ 814.1 «« paper »» | 10:32 |
<eminitrader> | k guys i'm done for the day wk and month...stop is now @ 1544...see u all mon |
<Brutus> | cu e | 10:33 |
<les> | nice stuff em |
<eminitrader> | is that a move or what ::)))) |
<szubaark> | Very Nice Job. |
<ItalianSharp> | wow emini...nice call |
<eminitrader> | thx again guys..have a good one |
<ItalianSharp> | why did you think we were due for a down move? |
<szubaark> | [09:35] <eminitrader> my read says there is a good probability of a strong downmove today | 10:34 |
<base> | :) |
| And Niha was right too, he was expecting a volatility day. | 10:35 |
<les> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 812.2 --> + 5.2 «« paper »» |
<ItalianSharp> | yes szu, i read that...i was interested to hear why his read saw to call it a bearish downmove |
<szubaark> | nice les |
<base> | Very nice les. |
<les> | thx szu | 10:36 |
<szubaark> | he said Price Action :) |
<base> | I did just one point 819.10 - 818.10 |
<ItalianSharp> | well, that's a very general term...anyways, i'll ask him on monday |
<les> | well there is a reason i think niha would give... | 10:37 |
<szubaark> | Buys ES @ 1537.50 «« paper »» |
<les> | its minbe anyway... |
| look at 18th sept candle on er2 |
| [prob similar on other eminis] |
| thats a wrb with a gap |
| and 788.9 will be the gap close | 10:38 |
<base> | Near 35 points candle. |
<les> | so today's fall may be first stage toward that area |
| if niha has another reason for bearish moves, i imagine he would agree with this one anyhow | 10:39 |
| i just checked ym, nq and es | 10:41 |
| all have that large wrb on the 18th |
<pat255> | les on daily/ | 10:42 |
<les> | :) | 10:43 |
<pat255> | k ..thks |
<les> | i'm done for today | 10:44 |
| cya all monday |
<pat255> | later les.. |
<Brutus> | cu Les |
<szubaark> | bye |
<base> | Have a nice weekend les. |
<les> | thx guys | 10:45 |
| have a good one |
<Brutus> | 1000/1400 Atlanta Fed Pres Lockhart speaks on monetary policy and |
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| 1015/1415 San Francisco Fed Pres Yellen participates in a panel |
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| Dax fell 60 then bounced 50 lol | 11:02 |
<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1537.50 --> 0 «« paper »» | 11:10 |
| Shorts ES @ 1537.50 «« paper »» |
<intowin> | back | 11:35 |
| nice Emini glad I raised my stop |
| Exited all ES Long @ 1538.75 --> - 1 |
| late |
| done for the day here... See you Monday.. | 11:36 |
<szubaark> | ok bye | 11:37 |
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* cmr2 | is now known as CMR | 12:08 |
<Dmi76> | Shorts ER2 @ 814.0 | 12:14 |
| Covered all ER2 Short @ 813.9 --> + 0.1 | 12:30 |
| lost my patience with this trade | 12:31 |
<szubaark> | zig zagging all over the frikin place | 13:07 |
| exit stop set ES @ 1539.50 «« paper »» | 13:08 |
| yup.. | 13:09 |
| Covered all Short ES at 1539.50 --> - 2 «« paper »» |
<bern> | i hope we get some volatility in after lunch session | 13:12 |
<Tim_a> | ym is like pushing a beach ball under water - it always pops right back up | 13:33 |
<ItalianSharp> | true...tough being short now | 13:34 |
| looks like YM wants new highs |
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<szubaark> | Buys ES @ 1540.25 «« paper »» | 14:18 |
| amazing, half of the early morning quick drop they retraced | 14:20 |
<Tim_a> | ym retraced all of it | 14:21 |
<szubaark> | Looks like new highs on ES,NQ ER coming up LOL | 14:22 |
| Exited all Long ES at 1539.25 --> - 1 «« paper »» | 14:26 |
| Shorts ES @ 1539.25 «« paper »» |
| Looks like they cleaned out Stops on Top, now hopefully they go for the bottom | 14:31 |
<asuni> | it seems | 14:32 |
| if so, u had a nice entry szu | 14:33 |
<szubaark> | yeah.. it was a Reversal.. something im working on is Reversals. |
<Brutus> | 09/28/2007 14:35 *DJ OIL FUTURES: Nymex Crude Ends Dn $1.28 At $81.60 As Rally Fades | 14:40 |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1539.25 --> 0 «« paper »» | 14:41 |
| not worth trading Dirt. | 14:42 |
* szubaark | is now known as szubaark_away |
<Brutus> | very steep drop in crude at 14:00 Szu | 14:43 |
| 09/28/2007 14:52 *DJ Mishkin: Mon Policy Must Focus On Econ, Price Stability | 14:54 |
<Tim_a> | go out for a quick bite, and something finally happens | 14:57 |
<Brutus> | 09/28/2007 15:11 *DJ Fed's Poole: Markets Shouldn't Assume More Rate Cuts To Come | 15:20 |
<Guest35179> | long 808.70 |
| out 809.40 +7 | 15:21 |
| correction +.7 |
<Tim_a> | ym beach ball popped up again | 15:53 |
<ItalianSharp> | lo | 16:02 |
| l | 16:03 |
| tru |
| true |
<Brutus> | ============ U.S. MARKETS ACTION =========== |
<ItalianSharp> | when YM made new lows, i thought we were due for a nice drop |
| instead, buyers wanted more of it |
| cant believe NQ almost made new highs |
| i had a remainder in YM and decided to let it run thru the close...well, stopped out at BE | 16:04 |
| impossible to catch a trend these days |
<GoodMood> | is, there seem to be invisible hands holding up all quotes | 16:05 |
<Tim_a> | there will come a day when it makes a large drop, but it has been dangerous to underestimate it - i'd be lying if i said i had any explanation for it |
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<ItalianSharp> | well...as much as i can be pissed off for mkts not falling further and give me more $$$... | 16:06 |
| as a trader i must react to what happens on the charts |
| hence, i must accept teh fact that there are lots of buyers still | 16:07 |
<werner> | indd IS |
<ItalianSharp> | there are so many buyers that i can almost hear them scream "buy!" from my house...:) |
<werner> | hihi | 16:08 |
<ItalianSharp> | this week has been the harderst trading week for me in 2007 |
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<werner> | far frome easy indd | 16:09 |
<ItalianSharp> | i am up very small...basically worked for free...and left lots of money on the table on many winning trades as i was expecting a trend day |
| gonna change my view now |
| we are indeed in a range adn i aint gonna take any prisoners until YM makes new highs or breaks down |
| those record-highs are acting as a magnete | 16:10 |
| same for NQ... |
| need a real breakdown to get away from striking distance of those highs |
| those bulls gotta be in a rush to sell and cover for this creeping buying to stop |
<werner> | er2 very weak | 16:11 |
<ItalianSharp> | it's been a very exhausting week adn i am going to need the whole weekend to recover... |
| next week i'll be in a "scalp" mode all week until we break out |
| small position size and quick profits |
<werner> | yep like niha | 16:12 |
<ItalianSharp> | there was no news that could possibly move this market |
| next week we got NFP on friday |
| very tough trading though...real hard...tip my cap off to all those who came out ahead this week...GREAT JOB |
<werner> | gn Is , all | 16:13 |
| nice wk | 16:14 |
<base> | Nice weekend all | 16:35 |
* DisconnectedSession | Close: Fri Sep 28 19:05:22 2007 | 19:05 |
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