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<PapaJon> | gm all | 09:25 |
<werner> | gm all | 09:27 |
* subq | market profile charts for today | 09:29 |
| http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/09/2 0/ym_rth_mp.png | 09:30 |
| http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/09/2 0/er2_rth_mp.png |
| http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/09/2 0/es_rth_mp.png |
| http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/09/2 0/nq_rth_mp.png |
<base> | GM all | 09:32 |
<bern> | Bush schedules press conference for 1045 et | 09:35 |
<intowin> | what about? | 09:36 |
<bern> | I dont know |
| http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2974 27,00.html | 09:38 |
<intowin> | wow | 09:42 |
| er may want 13.5 | 09:45 |
<Brutus> | 1000/1400 Sep 8 DJ-BTMU Business Barometer | 09:51 |
| Weekly Business Barometer -0.2% |
| 1000/1400 Aug Conference Board Leading Econ Indicators |
| Leading Index -0.3% +0.4% |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 820.00 -> large size | 09:52 |
<Brutus> | 10:00 Fed Chairman Bernanke, Tsy Secy Paulson testify before U.S. | 09:55 |
| House Financial Services panel on credit markets in |
| Washington |
<szubaark> | Shorts ES @ 1538.50 «« paper »» | 09:58 |
| exit stop set ES @ 1540.25 «« paper »» |
<intowin> | short ES @ 820.50 | 10:00 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 820.10 --> + 0.1 |
| Be right back...gotta do a reboot (data problems) | 10:01 |
* DisconnectedSession | Close: Thu Sep 20 10:01:42 2007 |
| Session Start: Thu Sep 20 10:10:37 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades |
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<eminitrader> | hopefully we have seen the highs :)) | 10:11 |
<szubaark> | Shorts ES @ 1541.50 «« paper »» | 10:13 |
<pat255> | too trong ..dang | 10:14 |
<eminitrader> | be back stop in | 10:16 |
<intowin> | short ES @ 823 |
<szubaark> | Covered 1/2 Short ES at 1540.25 --> + 1.25 «« paper »» | 10:17 |
| exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1541.50 «« paper »» | 10:18 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 821.90 -> large size | 10:23 |
<szubaark> | jumpy price action again | 10:24 |
<eminitrader> | Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1539 --> + 2 | 10:27 |
<intowin> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 820.60 --> + 2.4 | 10:30 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 820.90 --> - 1 | 10:31 |
<pat255> | geez vn emini had the same entry then got out b/e ..as it moved up |
<szubaark> | Nice emini,intowin |
<Tim_a> | yes |
<intowin> | thanks | 10:32 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 819.80 -> large size |
| Covered all ER2 Short @ 819.90 --> - 0.1 | 10:38 |
<eminitrader> | thx szu |
<intowin> | I really dont see what kind of support would be stalling it here... | 10:40 |
| stop is at b/e just in case | 10:42 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 820.30 -> large size |
| weird contracting volatility | 10:43 |
<intowin> | man the euro is really rocking | 10:44 |
| I have moved from two to three contracts and forgot the exit symbol for 1/3rd? | 10:46 |
| been using 1/2 too long | 10:47 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 819.60 -> Add |
<Brutus> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 3rd --> + 3rd - 1488.5 «« paper »» |
| bbbbb /ET /ETT | 10:48 |
<intowin> | thanks |
<Brutus> | 3rd and 2 3rds |
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<NihabaAshi> | Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 820.20 --> + 0.6 | 10:50 |
| Any news alerts??? | 10:55 |
| volatility is odd |
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<intowin> | still dont c what that bounced off of |
| options expiration week prob |
<szubaark> | yes |
<Tim_a> | bush/bernanke crosscurrent? | 10:56 |
<Brutus> | everythings in a narrow range today even Dax |
<NihabaAshi> | Bush ? |
<Tim_a> | thought he had press conference this morning |
<NihabaAshi> | What time does he speak??? |
<pat255> | bernake was speaking now .. |
<Tim_a> | now |
<NihabaAshi> | :( |
| geesh | 10:57 |
<Tim_a> | bush tends to help short, beneke tends to help longs |
<pat255> | that is what i heard..sorry not sure .. |
| tv just went off |
<Tim_a> | dont kn ow what time bush started, but he's on now | 10:59 |
<NihabaAshi> | I'm going to call now those strange price areas of 822.00 and 820.00 as s/r zones | 11:04 |
<szubaark> | Covered 1/2 Short ES at 1540 --> + 1.5 «« paper »» | 11:07 |
| frikin Chop. |
| Buys ES @ 1540.50 «« paper »» | 11:08 |
| looks like i took the bait :( | 11:10 |
<intowin> | I really want to short euro right here but dont have the guts lol |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 821.70 --> + 1.4 | 11:12 |
<pat255> | vn N .. |
<intowin> | Niha any idea what er bounced off of around your entry? Or was it intuition? | 11:13 |
<NihabaAshi> | intowin...I watched how it traded around the 820.20 price area because that was the low price of a prior key s/r zone | 11:16 |
| Upper area of the same s/r zone was 821.80 | 11:17 |
<intowin> | thanks |
<NihabaAshi> | I was able to dump it as soon as it hit 821.80 |
<intowin> | hopefully you dumped at the top.. Hoping for new lows | 11:18 |
<Tim_a> | sometimes i think just short spx/long dow would be lazy, easy money | 11:20 |
| ie short es/long ym |
| (adjusted for relative weight) | 11:21 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 820.00 -> large size | 11:22 |
| volatlity dropping fast around this s/r zone | 11:25 |
| Not sure if I want to be in a trade when the volatility spikes hits |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 820.30 --> + 0.3 | 11:26 |
<szubaark> | yeah.. not doing much.. and im stressing over my Long right now | 11:27 |
| ES loves this 1538 Level here | 11:28 |
| Exited all Long ES at 1538 --> - 2.5 «« paper »» | 11:34 |
| :((( |
| Shorts ES @ 1537.75 «« paper »» |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 819.30 -> small size | 11:35 |
| 3 only |
<szubaark> | OK | 11:41 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 819.20 --> + 0.1 | 11:42 |
| going to lunch |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_lunch |
<szubaark> | just pure T%^&^ Price Action |
<intowin> | philly fed in 10 minutes may give small bounce. | 11:50 |
<Brutus> | 09/20/2007 11:50 *DJ Bernanke: Fed Will Continue To Monitor Financial Developments | 11:51 |
| 09/20/2007 12:00 *DJ Philadelphia Fed Sep Business Index 10.9 Vs Aug 0.0 | 12:00 |
<intowin> | suprised that didnt get a bigger spike 2.5 was expected | 12:01 |
<Brutus> | volatility proportianal to congestion zones i guess | 12:02 |
<intowin> | time to fade the philly fed |
<mhk> | long 820.80 er2 | 12:04 |
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<mhk> | out 821.1 +.3 | 12:05 |
<szubaark> | ok bounce is over, lets test looows | 12:08 |
<pdays> | Shorts ER2 @ 820.8 «« paper »» | 12:11 |
| Covered all ER2 Short @ 820.3 --> + 0.5 «« paper »» | 12:12 |
<intowin> | woohoo | 12:28 |
<Pepe> | nice | 12:29 |
<szubaark> | fade the philly.. now needs to re-test lows so i can Profit. | 12:31 |
<intowin> | yep I am waiting for that also then final one will keep for new lows if it happens | 12:32 |
<Tim_a> | ym has had a nice copy range for those smooth enough to catch it (i'm not) | 12:33 |
| chop range | 12:34 |
<intowin> | should break soon |
| Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 817.50 --> + 5.5 | 12:35 |
| thats like a tenner on es |
| holding one | 12:36 |
<Brutus> | nice 1 |
<Tim_a> | nice |
<intowin> | big clue was little bounce on very good philly numbers |
<Brutus> | good read | 12:37 |
<intowin> | hoping for 14 on balance. stop is set to +1 so its their money | 12:38 |
* NihabaAshi_lunch | is now known as NihabaAshi | 12:41 |
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<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 819.00 -> small size | 12:57 |
| 2 only |
| tough time of the to open a trade position | 12:59 |
<intowin> | yep |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1538.50 --> - 0.75 «« paper »» |
<NihabaAshi> | very easy to get stuck in flat price action |
<intowin> | good for scalpers i guess | 13:00 |
<szubaark> | this week is just too tough to grab any points for me.. |
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<intowin> | I may take the balance of my profits soon. Thought it would hit 19 and turn | 13:01 |
<NihabaAshi> | Yesterday was the first trading day in a very long time where I didn't have at least one trade that captured more than 1 point per contract by market close. |
<intowin> | did you see my 5.5 pter earlier er2? : ) | 13:02 |
| they take a lot of patience |
| lol | 13:03 |
<NihabaAshi> | Today...no...maybe it occurred when I had to log off due to data problems. |
| Actually, I wrong about my trade results yesterday... |
<intowin> | yeah about .5 hr ago |
| bought back short at low |
<NihabaAshi> | I did have at least one trade that made an average of 1 point per contract by the time the trade closed. | 13:04 |
| Therefore, that particular streak is still intact. |
| Kind'uv like a baseball player getting a hit each game. | 13:05 |
| volatility spike | 13:06 |
<intowin> | really feels like they want 14 or so in er2 might as well hold my last position. worse I can do is up 1 | 13:07 |
<NihabaAshi> | Dark Hammer Line on 2min chart...be careful. | 13:08 |
<intowin> | I have my stop at +1 profit |
| but yes I c that |
<Brutus> | Afternoon funny - Beijing supermarket chain Wumart Stores spiked nearly 16% to HK$7.89 .. Wumart :)) | 13:10 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 818.80 --> - 0.2 | 13:13 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 818.40 -> small size | 13:17 |
| 2 only |
| another tough area to open a Short @ a Dark WRB | 13:18 |
<intowin> | real battle today | 13:22 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 817.30 --> + 1.1 | 13:23 |
<Tim_a> | nice | 13:24 |
<NihabaAshi> | what was that |
<Tim_a> | your short |
<NihabaAshi> | Either the market just ran a bunch of stops or I'm having data burst problems again. |
<intowin> | option games I guess.. | 13:25 |
| 14 coming my way : ) |
<NihabaAshi> | weak support here | 13:26 |
| Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 816.30 --> + 2.1 | 13:27 |
<ItalianSharp> | nice patience niha...tough being patient with this market |
<NihabaAshi> | agree...very tough... | 13:28 |
<ItalianSharp> | especially today...paulson, bernie, and bush seemed to have dried up all the volatility |
<NihabaAshi> | Yesterday I lost my patience about 1-2 times in about 5 trades |
<ItalianSharp> | the tough part IMO is to adjust profit targets for winning trades... |
| there are days were you can look for pts...and days where you must take ticks | 13:29 |
| today is one of those days |
| the tick day |
<NihabaAshi> | Yep...gotta take profits when they are there. |
| I got burnt 3 times today when I didn't do that. |
<intowin> | not sure Italiansharp I am still short since 823 : ) |
| stop now set to +3 | 13:30 |
<NihabaAshi> | wak support here | 13:43 |
| wak = weak |
<intowin> | I prefer whack hehe |
<NihabaAshi> | :) |
| Long ER2 @ 817.00 -> small size | 13:44 |
<Brutus> | Looks like a LOD :) |
<NihabaAshi> | 1 only |
<intowin> | its holding |
| Covered all ES Short @ 818.50 --> + 4.5 | 13:46 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 818.70 --> + 1.7 |
<Tim_a> | short ym 13887 | 13:51 |
<intowin> | now if I can find a good long entry and ride it back up this will be a banner day | 13:57 |
<Tim_a> | covered ym 13882 + 5 | 13:59 |
| prickley market today | 14:02 |
<Brutus> | 09/20/2007 14:03 *DJ OIL FUTURES: Nymex Crude Hits New Intraday Record High Of $83 | 14:04 |
| 10 y and crude in a rally | 14:06 |
| Long ES @ 1535 «« paper »» | 14:11 |
| exit stop set ES @ 1535 «« paper »» | 14:14 |
| Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1536 --> + 1 «« paper »» | 14:18 |
| trgt near ES HOD | 14:20 |
| :( | 14:22 |
| Exited ES Long @ 1535 --> 0 «« paper »» | 14:23 |
<intowin> | they may have shaken me out too soon | 14:24 |
| here comes my 14 print.. I guess I still need to work on my patience lol | 14:27 |
| if it holds in this area I may be interested in a long |
<szubaark_away> | Shorts ES @ 1533.25 «« paper »» |
<Brutus> | Fib levels IT? | 14:28 |
<intowin> | I am just looking at the congestion area from post fed a couple days ago |
<Brutus> | ok |
<intowin> | this should provide support in this area imo.. Of course its quad witch week who knows.. | 14:29 |
| really painful to see a trade go to your target when you bailed +4 to early lol | 14:31 |
| gonna try one here | 14:33 |
| Long ES @ 814.60 |
<Brutus> | -1200 tick | 14:35 |
<intowin> | yeah not looking good |
<Brutus> | when that strong counter thrust failed, then it need some strong confirmation for me to go long | 14:36 |
<szubaark_away> | Covered 1/2 Short ES at 1532 --> + 1.25 «« paper »» | 14:45 |
| exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1533.25 «« paper »» | 14:46 |
<intowin> | Exited all ES Long @ 812.40 --> - 2.2 | 14:47 |
<mhk> | short 813.70 er2 |
<szubaark_away> | Covered all Short ES at 1531 --> + 2.25 «« paper »» | 14:49 |
<Brutus> | nice 1 oysters kilpatrick :) | 14:50 |
<szubaark_away> | lol |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 812.20 -> small size | 14:52 |
<mhk> | er2 out 1.7+ |
<NihabaAshi> | :( |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 812.70 --> - 0.5 | 14:54 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 812.70 |
<intowin> | Long ES @ 1531 |
| try some es |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 813.10 --> + 0.4 | 14:57 |
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<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 811.60 -> small size | 15:01 |
| no fill at 812.20 |
| maybe it tick through before I got my order in :( | 15:02 |
<intowin> | Exited all ES Long @ 1530 --> - 1 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 811.10 --> + 0.5 | 15:03 |
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<intowin> | looks like they found the bottom for today | 15:15 |
| took a quick er long on the fast climb for up +1. Got some running to do so I will c u guys tommorow | 15:19 |
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<eminitrader> | hope u all made some moolah today...nice pa | 15:34 |
<Brutus> | nah everyone was complaining about chop :)) | 15:35 |
| and crappy price action! |
<eminitrader> | looks like short and hold was the stoty of the day |
<Tim_a> | i did ok, but i had to tug hard for every penny |
<eminitrader> | i had a good trade ..sold 1541 - buy 1/3 1538, 1/3 - 1536 and remainder @ 1531 | 15:36 |
| and was a 10 lot..:(( shld have had a larger size | 15:37 |
| specially after the daily chart indicated a down day today |
<Brutus> | good one e |
<eminitrader> | thx B ... | 15:38 |
| this month has been very good to me :) |
| will reduce size ..remainder of the month.. |
<intowin-away> | yep good day E.. your short signal this am was confirmation for me.. Went short er2 at 823 and held most of the day | 15:39 |
<Tim_a> | what gave you the cue on the daily chart, e? was it the tail on top? |
<intowin-away> | has chat been messing up your charts? | 15:40 |
<eminitrader> | simply it was a neutral bar....which means indecision in the instrument .. |
| and with the other indicators showing a pull back and ES not reaching my res level showed a strong down movw was coming.. | 15:41 |
<intowin-away> | It felt good when there was very little pop on the philly feds way better than expected numbers. I knew then to hold |
<eminitrader> | was looking to actaully short the 46 -48 area..that was my key res level | 15:42 |
<Tim_a> | how does today look? does it look like it needs a pullback before at could attempt a challange to the old high? |
<eminitrader> | no itw ...just got myselp a viop ...looks like i gotto play with my bandwith now |
<Tim_a> | (SPX) | 15:43 |
<intowin-away> | was wondering why you were out? |
<eminitrader> | no tim res on sp was 1532 ...es was 46 area |
<intowin-away> | quad witch and friday should be interesting | 15:44 |
<eminitrader> | yep | 15:45 |
<intowin-away> | got side tract have to leave now for real.. Cu in morn |
<Tim_a> | 1532 being july 23rd support? | 15:47 |
<eminitrader> | yep |
<Tim_a> | any thoughts on the big picture, or do you let the charts tell you day by day? | 15:50 |
<eminitrader> | yes tim...being a day trader...but i take into account the daily formations to get an idea of how pa might behave the following day | 15:51 |
<Tim_a> | i used to look at something like where we are, and determine whehter it meant continuation of bull, o rnew bear - but i'd get it wrong and the bias would kill me with clues right before my eyes | 15:53 |
<eminitrader> | well ...most of the time i wait for the short term charts to fall in line with the daily before i confirm the daily chart bias... | 15:55 |
| its like a trend within a trend ...medium term vs short term....helps with giving nice entries /exits for scalping | 15:56 |
<Brutus> | most pros look at the hourly chart for determination of trend Tim (as fas as I know) | 15:57 |
<Tim_a> | in the big picture, it is still stumbling with the y 2000 high, interesting the fed tried to 'goose' the mkt at this level | 15:59 |
| i've never seen them do it at a peak before | 16:00 |
<Brutus> | ============ U.S. MARKETS ACTION =========== | 16:04 |
| DJIA down 41.22 points to 13774.34 |
| NASDAQ down 9.03 points to 2657.45 |
| S&P 500 down 8.40 points to 1520.63 |
| 10-year T-note down 1 9/32 at 100 12/32 yield 4.704 |
| NYMEX Spot Crude up $1.39 at $80.32/bbl at close. |
| Dollar/Euro up 0.0109 at 1.4608 |
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<werner> | gn all | 16:06 |
* sep34 | is now known as sep34_away | 16:28 |
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<NihabaAshi> | Take care all and see all tomorrow :) | 17:16 |
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