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| Session Start: Mon Jul 23 09:31:18 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades |
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<base> | GM all | 09:34 |
<PapaJon> | gm all | 09:35 |
<Awash> | good morning |
<NihabaAshi> | ER2 volatility dropping fast...I'm expecting a volatility spike here soon. | 09:39 |
<venedom> | gm | 09:40 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 843.50 -> small size |
| 1 contract only |
| volatility still too low to risk anything more | 09:41 |
<Awash> | Shorts ES @ 1552.25 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 842.60 --> - 0.9 | 09:44 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 842.60 |
* lesAway | is now known as les | 09:45 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 843.20 -> Add |
| Volatility still declining. | 09:48 |
<eminitrader> | tradestation users ..can anyone confirm if they are getting tick data on SP ..symbol $INX ..mine is stuck @ 1534.10 | 09:49 |
<pdays> | stuck here too | 09:50 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 843.20 --> - 0.6 |
<eminitrader> | k thx pdays.. |
| kinda holding me from my trades | 09:51 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 844.20 -> medium size |
| That's a Long position...sorry. |
| Will correct in a minute when I clear something else out. | 09:52 |
| Long ER2 @ 844.20 -> medium size | 09:53 |
| Anybody in here having problems with data on the FTSE100 futures on Euronext or have had data problems for the past week or so ??? | 09:55 |
<les> | i dont get those niha, but havnt had any data problems | 09:57 |
<pat255> | not so far ..niha |
| gm all.. |
<ripsboy> | gm all... |
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<les> | btw niha...i think the LSE will floating down the Thames fairly soon which may cause a few more data gitches :) | 09:58 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 843.80 --> - 0.4 | 09:59 |
<eminitrader> | lol |
<NihabaAshi> | Something is going on for the past week or so because my data in Euronext has been very spotty :( |
<base> | Any ideas why is the market that flat? | 10:01 |
<eminitrader> | wish i knew b )))))):) | 10:02 |
<NihabaAshi> | No key market events to juice it up a little. |
<eminitrader> | looks like setting base for test of highs |
<les> | ah c'mon emini - its cos its not going up very much and not going down very much either | 10:03 |
<doublejay> | gm all |
<les> | i thought u knew that |
<eminitrader> | hehehhe |
<base> | Damn flat Monday. |
<eminitrader> | nice one les..got me :) |
<les> | hehe |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 844.60 -> small size |
| 2 only | 10:04 |
<eminitrader> | looks like new highs |
| ES i refer to |
| Long ES @ 1550 |
| :( | 10:06 |
| Exited all ES Long @ 1549.50 --> - 0.5 |
| key supp 1548...think will see some action thre | 10:07 |
<base> | Too risky for me. Btw, Niha nice ... |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 842.10 --> + 2.5 | 10:09 |
| That gets me profitable for the day and usually when I say that I'm not too keen on trading this type of price action much longer. | 10:10 |
<eminitrader> | :) |
<ItalianSharp> | yeah...today doesn't look it's going to be much fun | 10:11 |
<base> | That was great in this kind of price action. |
<RussellDaytrade> | if you don't like the weather, wait 20 minutes...unless you're in England, or Seattle |
<NihabaAshi> | I'm reducing my profit target for the day from 1k to 300 bucks due to the low volatility. | 10:12 |
<eminitrader> | days just started niha.. |
<NihabaAshi> | Thus, as soon as I reach 300 I will take a long break from trading. |
| Gap filled. | 10:13 |
<eminitrader> | not yet on ES |
| and nq | 10:14 |
<RussellDaytrade> | l 2 now |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 840.80 -> small size | 10:15 |
<RussellDaytrade> | hoping for lower prices to get longer |
<NihabaAshi> | 1 only | 10:16 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 841.60 -> Add | 10:17 |
<jperl> | Done for now....trades here... | 10:18 |
<eminitrader> | 1549.50 -1551.50 ...res ..nice area to get short ..for new los |
<jperl> | http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-07-23/JP ERL_0121.jpg |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 841.20 --> + 0.4 | 10:19 |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 842.20 --> - 1.4 | 10:22 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 842.20 |
| 2 contracts |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1550.25 | 10:23 |
<NihabaAshi> | I'm now lowering my profit target goals per trade due to the problematic volatility. | 10:24 |
<eminitrader> | cld see a sudden surge tohigh end of res area now |
<NihabaAshi> | I have a key WRB s/r zone of 844.70 - 843.10 | 10:25 |
| Will use that to manage my trading for the remainder of the day. |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 843.20 --> + 1 | 10:26 |
<eminitrader> | looks like ES may test pivot high | 10:27 |
<pat255> | em pivot at what level? | 10:30 |
<eminitrader> | shld see a down move now after a coulpe of ticks on the nq ..all indices are aligned | 10:31 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 843.50 -> small size |
| 1 contract only |
<eminitrader> | nq @ res area now 52.50 - 56.50 | 10:32 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 843.30 -> small size | 10:33 |
<eminitrader> | be back ..sell add @ 51.75 ...stop @ 52.25 | 10:34 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 844.10 --> + 0.8 |
<eminitrader> | 52 pat |
<RussellDaytrade> | target fulfilled |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 843.60 --> + 0.3 | 10:36 |
<RussellDaytrade> | hopefully it comes back down so that I can reload |
<NihabaAshi> | That's a +0.1 and not a +0.3 |
<les> | Shorts ER2 @ 843.1 «« paper »» |
<eminime68> | 1st hour ES trading range 47.5-54.25 | 10:37 |
| consolidation going on | 10:40 |
<eminitrader> | looks like it may test the lows | 10:43 |
| before deciding to make a move |
* lesAway | is now known as les | 10:44 |
<les> | will repost those shorts cos of disconnection... |
| Shorts ER2 @ 843.1 «« paper »» |
| Shorts ER2 @ 843.4 -> Add «« paper »» | 10:45 |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1550.75 -> Add | 10:47 |
| change in trading plan ..stop now @ 1552.50 | 10:48 |
| sorry 1551.50 |
| 10 short avg 1550.50 | 10:49 |
<Brutus> | http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/tda meritrade-com/html-story.asp?guid={5a455 f55-21d5-4ba8-95be-d3bf00f5f06c} | 10:52 |
<eminitrader> | looking good for test of lows |
<Brutus> | 07/23/2007 10:48 DJ Hedge Fund Assets Swell To $1.74T On 2Q $58.7B Inflow-Report |
<pat255> | em what is your stop on this ? 52 | 10:53 |
<eminitrader> | 1551.50 |
| 4 ticks pat |
<pat255> | ty |
<eminitrader> | :(( | 10:54 |
| Covered all ES Short @ 1551.50 --> - 2 |
<pat255> | damn tight range ...very hard to trade dang |
| :( | 10:57 |
| freaking mess.. | 10:59 |
<eminitrader> | at least the flow is readable now pat | 11:01 |
<pat255> | yes . | 11:02 |
<les> | jezz i go away from my screen for 7 mins and lok what happens :) | 11:08 |
| Covered all ER2 Short @ 844.4 --> - 2.3 «« paper »» |
| anyway, amd done trading for today | 11:09 |
<venedom> | back after compo crash | 11:17 |
* sep34 | is now known as sep34_away | 11:31 |
<werner> | gm all | 11:43 |
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<Brutus> | AROUND ASIA: China's CSI 300 saw its biggest two-day gain, advancing 4.7% today, to 4156.72; the index has risen 9.2% in the past two trading sessions | 12:09 |
<RussellDaytrade> | these are the good old days there |
<pat255> | back to office ty all | 12:10 |
<jperl> | Interesting 2 day VWAP chart for ER2..... | 12:22 |
| New peak volume forming at 845 with possible up move back to the VWAP @ 846.71 | 12:23 |
| Jerry Perlstein |
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<Brutus> | http://www.rttnews.com/FOREX/AsiaMkt.asp ?date=07/22/2007&item=3 |
<jperl> | http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-07-23/JP ERL_0122.jpg |
| The daily chart also shows VWAP 843.96 above the PVP 843.20,,,, | 12:25 |
| also suggesting up moves..... |
| If ER2 price action sticks around the 845- 845.30 levels for too long however.... | 12:26 |
| market could then take a tumble.... | 12:27 |
| It all depends on the relation of the PVP to the VWAP |
| 2 day peak volume just shifted to 845.20 | 12:34 |
| expect move up to VWAP @ 846.70 | 12:35 |
| did I trade it?.... | 12:36 |
| no |
| why? |
| intra day peak volume shifted to 845.20 also... |
| suggesting down move to VWAP at 843.99 |
| I don't trade contradictions | 12:37 |
* sep34_away | is now known as sep34 | 12:50 |
<doublejay> | back after connection failure | 13:00 |
<RussellDaytrade> | I am setting a new record for how many times this short has dipped into and out of profitability...up to four times, and now again at b/e, so will be working on fith (no, not drinking) soon. :) | 13:06 |
<Brutus> | 07/23/2007 13:01 *DJ US 3-MONTH BILLS: 4.885%; 97.83% At High | 13:19 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1552.50 | 13:21 |
<asuni> | emini, any problem with TS? | 13:25 |
| here delayed |
<werner> | here ts ok asuni | 13:26 |
<eminitrader> | no asuni...sorry late | 13:31 |
| Long ES @ 1551.75 -> Add |
<asuni> | thks werner and et |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1552.75 --> + 1 | 13:43 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 844.20 -> small size | 13:50 |
<eminitrader> | Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1551.75 --> - 0.75 | 13:56 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 843.40 --> - 0.8 | 13:57 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 843.40 |
| 2 contracts now |
| Covered all ER2 Short @ 843.00 --> + 0.4 | 14:03 |
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<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1549.25 | 14:22 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 842.30 -> small size | 14:24 |
| 1 only |
<RussellDaytrade> | short worked out well, downleg exceeded anticipated target expectations. | 14:25 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 841.60 -> Add | 14:27 |
<eminitrader> | Exited 2/3 ES Long @ 1551.25 --> + 2 | 14:28 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 842.40 --> + 0.8 | 14:29 |
<eminitrader> | looking for a seel reverse 1551-1553 | 14:30 |
| Exited ES Long @ 1551.75 --> + 2.5 | 14:31 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1551.75 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 842.40 --> + 0.1 | 14:32 |
| :( |
<jperl> | I'm done for today..... |
| trades here.... |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-07-23/JP ERL_0123.jpg |
<NihabaAshi> | Got pick pocketed on that retrace from 843.00 |
<jperl> | A liitle rough around the edges in the 1 pm trading.... | 14:33 |
<NihabaAshi> | I was one tick away from the profit target for that remainder (843.10) |
<jperl> | clicked on some wrong buttons and had to undo them.... |
| otherwise remainder of the day was ok |
<RussellDaytrade> | it GWL time | 14:36 |
<eminitrader> | gwl? |
<RussellDaytrade> | gut-wrenching-long :) | 14:37 |
<eminitrader> | lol |
| missed a add by 1 tick :{{ | 14:39 |
| may still get it |
| Shorts ES @ 1552.75 -> Add | 14:44 |
<RussellDaytrade> | my work suggests 844.3 on this leg |
<eminitrader> | shld see down now.. |
| that i'm loaded to the sell side | 14:45 |
<Awash> | Dow strong today |
<RussellDaytrade> | and is scheduled to arrive at near 12:47 mnt, (14:47 est) |
<eminitrader> | Covered all ES Short @ 1553.75 --> - 3 |
| thats was faster than the eye cld see :(( | 14:46 |
<RussellDaytrade> | or approx 3-4 more minutes, give er take a little |
| I am already calling it close enuf for me |
<eminitrader> | avg loss 6 ticks on 10 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 844.00 -> small size |
| :( |
<RussellDaytrade> | ah, two ticks off and a couple minutes early, what 'cha gonna do? :) | 14:47 |
<eminitrader> | heheheh |
| bank the money and run :) |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 843.80 --> + 0.2 | 14:48 |
<eminitrader> | slighty in the red now... |
| will try not to make it a wasted day |
<RussellDaytrade> | hmmm, with the strength , it may have another bit left inthe tank | 14:49 |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1553.75 |
<NihabaAshi> | Problematic and I didn't want to stay in it too long. |
<RussellDaytrade> | the strength in the overall mkt, is what I was referring to above, specifically the dow | 14:50 |
<eminitrader> | true A dow is looking very strong |
<Awash> | k | 14:51 |
<eminitrader> | but looks like the nq ansd es are done..unless the ym keeps making new highs |
| looks like the ES wants to test 1555.50 | 14:53 |
| Covered 2/3 ES Short @ 1552.25 --> + 1.5 | 15:02 |
| back in the black...but need 1550.75 on remainder to get daily tarhet | 15:03 |
| looks kinda promising ...lets wait and see |
<jperl> | Here is an interesting statistic on my daily trading from IB.... | 15:07 |
| It shows the number of trades I made and the avg buy price and average sell price.... | 15:08 |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-07-23/JP ERL_0124.jpg |
| So I had 23 trades today for an average return of 0.2000 | 15:09 |
| Does that make me a scalper? |
<eminitrader> | thats still 460 bucks ain't it...+ or - commish makes the difference | 15:10 |
| guess 100 bucks either way |
<jperl> | Yes...commish is 4.80 round trip or about $100 | 15:11 |
<eminitrader> | so thats not too bad jper1...again given the kinda day its been | 15:12 |
| prolly u were better off taking ticks today.. |
<jperl> | Yes ok for me today |
| But I'm wondering if that is my trading style.... |
| lots of trades for few ticks | 15:13 |
<eminitrader> | on that note the ES had some nice swings today... |
| as long as u r comfortable with it...shld not make a difference |
<RussellDaytrade> | dow up 100, er positive too...by .10 cents |
| lol |
<eminitrader> | the way i look at it - if it does not tress u ...then its good | 15:14 |
<jperl> | I'm perfectly comfortable with it..... |
| It's just interesting how it all comes out |
<eminitrader> | no worries then :)) |
<RussellDaytrade> | as the saying goes, you'll make it up on volume | 15:15 |
<eminitrader> | there r days jper1 when i have some 10 trades with prolly 1 0r 2 huge losers and the remaining scalping for ticks to make up... |
| so i guess its all in the semantics.. |
<jperl> | What I find curious is ...... | 15:16 |
<RussellDaytrade> | and your broker has developed a strong fondness towards you |
<eminitrader> | hehehehe | 15:17 |
<jperl> | Most of the time when I enter a trade it goes my way at least 2 ticks |
| I could avoid all the hassle of scaling in or reversing..... |
<eminitrader> | mine sends me x'mas cards :)) |
<jperl> | Just take 2 tick profits on every entry |
<RussellDaytrade> | yes, you get xmas cards every week of the year...or you should. :) | 15:18 |
<eminitrader> | :) |
| keep in mind though ...every trade we enter is an risk.. |
| so less # trades = less risk ...and thats what we wANT | 15:19 |
<RussellDaytrade> | mkt may be at/nerar a balancepoint here, kinda between large structures, may have to decide which direction it wants to travel in...slow typer, looks like the decison was made while I typed |
<eminitrader> | same here ..exit remainder 1551.75 ...short of my target but a happy camper nevertheless | 15:20 |
* sep34 | is now known as SEP34_AWAY | 15:30 |
<Awash> | Covered all ES Short @ 1552 --> - 4.5 | 15:33 |
<RussellDaytrade> | er is very weak...any sign of erosion in the broad mkt will likely take er down at an increasing velocity, and to an increased extent(s)...I talkin about into tomorrow... |
<Awash> | + 0.25 |
<eminitrader> | did u hold the short all day A | 15:34 |
<RussellDaytrade> | if nothing dire occurs, as in a bad report, overnight mkts, etc, and mkts get a little more up traction, er may make up for a little lost time up tomorrow, since it got gassed today |
| and you may quote me on that! | 15:35 |
<Awash> | yep, trying a different setup |
<eminitrader> | k... |
<RussellDaytrade> | right now, looks more likely to carry-thru to the downside | 15:36 |
<Awash> | RDT, daily high & low set, good chance we stay within range | 15:42 |
<RussellDaytrade> | for tomorrow you saying A, or remainder of today? |
<Awash> | today |
<RussellDaytrade> | range-expansion tomorrow...about this time of day, earlier actually, I customarily begin toformulate how the mkt may shape the next session...seems likely to see range-ex, either up or down...in the er, down is closer in proximity, just the opposite in the dow, hence, it mkt goes up, er may play some 'catch-up' | 15:45 |
| and otherwise, it may accelerate in the trajectory it's currnetly on | 15:46 |
| if down is to be the course, and if it recievs a re-newed impetus, 830 may be a realistic expectaction | 15:48 |
<Awash> | good night all | 16:04 |
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<doublejay> | bye all | 16:21 |
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<NihabaAshi> | Take care all and see all tomorrow | 17:01 |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away |
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* DisconnectedSession | Close: Mon Jul 23 18:45:56 2007 | 18:45 |
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