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I've temporarily abandon my work on a new edge involving the Russell 2000 Volatility Index due to the increased problems I've been having in the morning trading session that forces me to work twice as hard later in the trading day to get profitable.

Trading has been far too stressful recently along with the fact I couldn't do proper intermarket analysis because of data vendor problems.

Other than that, I was a lot more relaxed trading today (less things to worry about) and it reflected in my profits especially since I was more efficient via trading smaller position sizes.

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Commentary by M.A. Perry (a.k.a. NihabaAshi)
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Session Start: Wed Mar 14 09:21:42 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades

* Now talking in #futurestrades 09:21

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<pat255> gm all 09:25

<PapaJon> gm all 09:26

<hennessy> gm all 09:28

<NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 777.60 -> small size 09:31

Covered ER2 Short @ 778.90 --> - 1.3 09:33

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 778.90

Exited all ER2 Long @ 779.30 --> + 0.4 09:34

The first trade was an order execution error :(

I made some changes to my execution platform last night. 09:35

Shorts ER2 @ 778.80 -> small size 09:36

Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 777.70 --> + 1.1 09:42

Covered ER2 Short @ 776.80 --> + 2 09:46

Holding 1 contract

<pat255> vn niha

cant trade er..@office...:( 09:47

<NihabaAshi> By the way, I have my NYMEX and Treasury info working today...makes a huge difference for me in my trading.

<RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 775.5 «« paper »» 09:48

<NihabaAshi> Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 774.60 --> + 4.2 09:49

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<pat255> sweet

<ItalianSharp> nice start niha...first good start of the week for you

now you are all set to do some damage today...:)

<RussellDaytrade> added all the way down, long 16 now 09:53

* subq market profile charts for today, I'm late 10:00

http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/03/1 4/MP_ER2_S2.png

http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/03/1 4/MP_ES_S2.png

http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/03/1 4/MP_NQ_S2.png

http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/03/1 4/MP_YM_S2.png

<pat255> emini u S? 10:08

<eminitrader> yep pat 10:09

exprcting 64-86

<pat255> this am?

<eminitrader> oops 84-86

yes pre mrkt ... 10:10

<pat255> kty

<les> Long ER2 @ 772.6 «« paper »» 10:14

<jperl> ER2 VWAP 774.94

<les> late sorry

<ItalianSharp> markets rallying now...NQ new highs... 10:15

<RussellDaytrade> selling some longs on the way up

<NihabaAshi> One heck of a counter-thrust back upwards...V-Thrust.

<pat255> ys..

<les> Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 773.1 --> + 0.5 «« paper »»

<RussellDaytrade> fulfilled first ttarget, expecting 778.6

<les> Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 773.7 --> + 1.1 «« paper »»

1 left

exit stop raised ER2 @ 773.3 «« paper »» 10:16

<NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 773.90 -> small size 10:19

<les> Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 773.6 --> + 1 «« paper »»

<pat255> k guyk ty alls biab ...office wor 10:21

<RussellDaytrade> sweet 10:24

<les> Long ER2 @ 775.6 «« paper »»

<NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 775.30 --> - 1.4

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 775.30

Exited ER2 Long @ 774.70 --> - 0.6 10:30

Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 774.70

Shorts ER2 @ 775.30 -> Add 10:32

ohoh

<les> Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 776.1 --> + 0.5 «« paper »»

<RussellDaytrade> selling out

only 2 left

all out 10:33

account at all time highs

<les> Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 776.4 --> + 0.8 «« paper »»

<NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 776.50 --> - 1.8

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 776.50

<RussellDaytrade> sold too early, thats ok

<les> exit stop raised ER2 @ 775.7 «« paper »» 10:34

<NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 777.40 -> Add 10:35

<les> exit stop raised ER2 @ 776.4 «« paper »»

<RussellDaytrade> a little early on that 778.6 target fulfillment, thats ok too 10:36

<NihabaAshi> Exited all ER2 Long @ 778.40 --> + 2.9 10:37

<RussellDaytrade> damn, missed it by a tick again, sob! boohoohoo

<Brutus> Shorts ER2 @ 778.6

<les> exit stop raised ER2 @ 777.8 «« paper »»

Trailing Stop Hit ER2 @ 777.8 --> + 2.2 «« paper »» 10:38

<NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 777.60 -> medium size 10:44

<Chilly> Shorts ES @ 1393.75 «« paper »» 10:45

<Brutus> Covered ER2 Short @ 777.5 --> + 1.1

couldnt get filled at 777.1 on that first dip 10:46

<NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 776.70 --> + 0.9 10:47

Holding 2 contracts

<Chilly> Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1392.75 --> + 1 «« paper »» 10:48

<NihabaAshi> Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 777.20 --> + 0.4 10:49

Shorts ER2 @ 777.00 -> small size 10:50

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<NihabaAshi> Covered all ER2 Short @ 776.70 --> + 0.3 10:51

Long ER2 @ 776.70 -> small size 10:53

2 contracts only

<jperl> done for the morning....

trades here...

http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-03-14/JP ERL_015.png

<NihabaAshi> Exited all ER2 Long @ 777.30 --> + 0.6 10:54

Got my profit target for the day.

I'm officially in profit protection mode...

1 contract only for the remainder of the trading day.

<Brutus> I'm looking for Es to make a slightly higher top than the last, then go down to new lows. 10:55

Stop would be HOD

<Chilly> Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1393.25 --> + 0.5 «« paper »» 10:57

Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1391.75 --> + 2 «« paper »» 11:02

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<NihabaAshi> I see bullish price action but at a weak support level... 11:12

If it drops below 776.00...I think it will make an attempt to test the lows. 11:13

<Brutus> ER is holding 11:14

<jperl> Has to get below the VWAP at 775.67

to test the lows

ER2 at VWAP 775.80 11:30

<RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 775.8 «« paper »» 11:31

rebuilding long trade, rebuilding, that is, if price drops, if rises, i'll sell it.

possible t of 772.3 11:32

<Brutus> Shorts ES @ 1390.5 «« paper »» 11:39

Covered ES Short @ 1390.5 --> 0 «« paper »» 11:43

<RussellDaytrade> http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q277/ RussellDaytrade2/?action=view&current=er trades3-14-07.jpg 11:50

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q277/ RussellDaytrade2/?action=view&current=er trades23-14-07-2.jpg

there's my activity thus far today

<Brutus> Dax has made new lows, down over 2% 11:57

<RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 773 -> Add «« paper »» 12:02

772.3 just fulfiolled. 12:04

<Brutus> R u out on thatshort EMT? 12:08

<eminitrader> 1/3 ...next ragets 64 and remainder 1377 12:10

meant 84 12:11

out 1/3

holding 4 for 1377

<Brutus> ES at a DB now from prev lows 12:12

<eminitrader> good momemtum will will break 12:13

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<Brutus> Good trading EMT, Knew it was going to happen

<eminitrader> good call B

<Brutus> Just sitting here shaking my head :) 12:14

<eminitrader> no trades ?

<RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 770.1 -> Add «« paper »» 12:15

l 3 ap 773

<Brutus> Just posted ones, has a ES short at 1397.75 in the first run

<eminitrader> good :))

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<Brutus> No meant had a order for ES but price did not get there :(

<eminitrader> that sucks ...i ahd 94-96 as good res with stops @ 98 12:17

<Brutus> volatility has me a bit hesitant these days

<eminitrader> reduce sise might help...thats what i was doing 12:18

<Brutus> But I am finally seeing the trend and thinking as such 12:19

<werner> hello all

<RussellDaytrade> t = 777.1

<NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 770.00 -> small size

<RussellDaytrade> i'll be amzed myself if that occurs, but, thats the number! 12:20

<Brutus> Could be a good bounce RD but I am expecting the day to close near the lows 12:21

<NihabaAshi> Exited ER2 Long @ 769.40 --> - 0.6

Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 769.40

<RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 769 -> Add «« paper »»

4 ap 772

<Brutus> unless we rally 10 points then I will look for logs 12:22

<NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 768.60 --> + 0.8

Shorts ER2 @ 768.20 -> small size 12:23

<RussellDaytrade> yeah, end at lows, seems most likely

<eminitrader> gotto be kidding...maybe for now

<NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 767.90 --> + 0.3

I'm calling it quits for the day... 12:24

<Brutus> What do u mean EMT? 12:25

<NihabaAshi> I got in some good trading, tested a new strategy on one trade and got some good trading notes/live recordings of the price drop after it broke below the support of 776.00.

* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away 12:26

<eminitrader> expecting final lows 1330-1350

not today though :)) 12:27

<RussellDaytrade> 1330-1350, general timeframe? next several sessions or so?

<eminitrader> mean befor we see new highs 12:28

<RussellDaytrade> new highs!!!!, you are an optimist! don't hold your breath. all the same, respect your outlook. :) 12:29

nice call on that 77 level, within a couple ticks 12:30

<eminitrader> expecting 1500-1550 before this turns to a bear mrkt ... 12:31

<Brutus> Was 77 on a fib projection EMT? 12:32

<RussellDaytrade> when you have time, perhaps you will expound on the main tenets supporting that outlook. in brief, of course.

<eminitrader> yes B

lunch time ...be back 12:33

<Brutus> Dax down 2.6% thx

<RussellDaytrade> breakfast for me, perhaps it'll be at 772 upon my return to desk.

change in trend / direction?? 13:02

sold all 4 13:05

Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 772.6 --> + 3.6 «« paper »» 13:06

Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 772.7 --> - 3.1 «« paper »»

Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 773 --> - 2.8 «« paper »» 13:07

Exited all ER2 Long @ 773 --> - 2.8 «« paper »»

ap was 772 on all 4, made a little

rebuilding on price drops

777.1 starting to seem higher prospects, although that t must acytully be reset down since price dropped lower from when i first set it 13:09

Long ER2 @ 771.9 «« paper »»

Exited all ER2 Long @ 774 --> + 2.1 «« paper »» 13:11

t reset to 775.2, but i think it goes higher. either way, just gor to within 4 ticks, close enough 13:14

Long ER2 @ 773 «« paper »»

<jperl> ER2 VWAP 773.75

<RussellDaytrade> getting repelled, at the moment? may become support. 13:15

Exited all ER2 Long @ 774.9 --> + 1.9 «« paper »» 13:20

Exited all ER2 Long @ 774.9 --> + 1.9 «« paper »»

oops, double entered, only had one buy and one sell

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<Brutus> Shorts ES @ 1389.75 13:26

Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1387.75 --> + 2 13:28

Covered all ES Short @ 1387.5 --> + 2.25 13:29

<Chilly> nice work B 13:31

<Brutus> 3 indians :)

<Chilly> what tf?

<Brutus> linda B Raschke google it 13:32

<Chilly> right, heard of it, just wondering what timeframe you are trading 13:33

<Brutus> all of then :)

<Chilly> :)

<Brutus> 6sec for entry etc 1m, 5m, 15m

<Chilly> ok 13:34

<RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 774 «« paper »» 13:36

778.6, 772.3, 777.1, all good calls, all in one day, and nary a peep from the peanut gallery. 13:38

Exited all ER2 Long @ 774.8 --> + 0.8 «« paper »»

<Brutus> Naz +ve 13:39

If Es goes sidways for a while and does like a 2B reversal at 1390 then could be a good short with some potential 13:40

<RussellDaytrade> i'll be damned, just made money on a trade error, had had a sell at 777.3 from earlier that got filled and had forgot about, just closed it 775. 13:43

lol

<Brutus> Shorts ES @ 1393.25 13:44

<RussellDaytrade> its heading up

<Brutus> Covered ES Short @ 1391.25 --> + 2 13:45

<ItalianSharp> anyone knows what sparked this rally? 13:46

<Brutus> starting to like volatility :)

<ItalianSharp> i expected the DOW to test 12000 before going up

<RussellDaytrade> yeah, too many naysayers 13:47

<Brutus> I'm thinking I should have kept that short open

<ItalianSharp> [13:47] <ItalianSharp> i expected the DOW to test 12000 before going up 13:49

Actually the cash index broke thru 12000...now i know why we are going up

Given the strenght of this rebound, does anyone in here think we migh have seen the bottom for a while? Or there still is more selling to do? 13:53

<RussellDaytrade> its a BMR

<Brutus> ? 13:54

<jperl> Think I'll stop for the day..... 13:55

<RussellDaytrade> bear mkt rally

<jperl> here are the trades.....

http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-03-14/JP ERL_016.png

one comment......

<RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 773 «« paper »»

<Brutus> THat right Rd thats why I am more comfortable doing the short trades on this

<RussellDaytrade> rebuilbing long wide scales

<jperl> trade starting at 11:58:53 through 12:29:59 were scale ins 13:56

<RussellDaytrade> sounds good

<jperl> At the time I couldn't decide whether to scale in or reverse.... 13:57

either one was profitable in the final analysis, but the reversal would have been easier

and less risky

<RussellDaytrade> Exited all ER2 Long @ 774.6 --> + 1.6 «« paper »» 13:58

in case anyone ws wondering, i happen to like days like this the very best. :)

<Brutus> vix at 18.9 still 13:59

<RussellDaytrade> buyer 772 or lower

may not get it anymore today at those pricesa 14:00

t = 771.8 14:03

B, earlier, you stated, if goes up by 10 bucks, you'll be looking for longs. that still so? 14:13

ps, it went up 11.

<Brutus> Yeah thats right RD, taking them is another thing:) would have not wanted to see this parabolic move, more a pullback to support 14:19

<RussellDaytrade> seems like the trend has changed direction to up, i expect that if us mkts end up, asia will up too, and we see higher prices tom am session 14:20

and looks like session highs this pm 14:21

i prefer buying hard selling 14:22

<Brutus> Shorts ES @ 1393 «« paper »»

just a paper trade 14:23

<RussellDaytrade> i had my fun for the day...unless we see another bout of quesiness.

may try and build in the o/n session if price drops and asia gathers itself

anybody get nikkei futures quotes?? how are they looking? 14:24

<Brutus> Covered ES Short @ 1393.75 --> - 0.75 «« paper »» 14:28

had walked away when it spkied up :( hence the late entry 14:29

<RussellDaytrade> i think er can be up 10 from here bt tom am 14:31

<Brutus> Apple was one of the first to go +ve

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<Brutus> 25pt upside range? lol 14:39

<RussellDaytrade> yep, 20 points on es, approaching 25 up from lows 14:40

<Brutus> just proves anything can happen

<szubaark> yup this is a tough bugger to pinpoint 14:45

<Brutus> In the period from 1987 till today we had the following data for the difference between the high and the low of the day in the SP500X ( the SP500 is the index and move the same ways as the ES). I'm talking about the hours Chicago was open, so not 24 hours trading. 15:00

days with a move between 0 and 10 points: 2995 days

days with a move between 10 and 20 points: 1182 days

days with a move between 20 and 30 points: 424 days

days with a move between 30 and 40 points: 126 days

days with a move between 40 and 50 points: 38 days

days with a move between 50 and 80 points: 18 days

The biggest move we had in this period was 76.19 points. We NEVER had 80-100 points.

So in total 96.19% of the days had a move that was inferior to 30 points.

Stats to April 06 only from Spike500 on ET

<RussellDaytrade> it takes certain conditions to pre-exisat in the mkts to get trading ranges like we have had today, and last week or two. that takes years to set-up... 15:03

i have not seen conditions simialr to this since 2000.

it was much wilder then, this is tame by compare. 15:04

:)

but still good, no complaints from me. easy to read. and getting easier. 15:06

er, that is, not looking at es much.

<Brutus> You been watching ER since 2000 RD? 15:07

<RussellDaytrade> no, just a year or so. i think it began to trade about late 02 or 03, in sept ot thereabouts 15:08

it trades and behaves just the the mkt does, as i expect it, only with greater price swings, clearer deliniation of those swings, and just plain more predictability. 15:09

after years of interacting with the mkt, i have a template of how i expect mkt to trade already 'wired in', and look to see that it is or isn't behaving as expected, but i go into it with expectations, that are based primarilry on its on past behavoirs and tendencies. 15:17

er seems to follow those behaviors quite well, surprisingly well. 15:18

first short of the day, intentionally anyway 15:20

Shorts ER2 @ 783.3 «« paper »» 15:21

covered one at 782.3

another at 782.6 15:22

Covered all ER2 Short @ 783.5 --> - 783.3 «« paper »»

oops, thats 782.5 15:23

Covered all ER2 Short @ 782.5 --> - 783.3 «« paper »»

you getting better at trading the trends B? makin any headway there? 15:24

<Brutus> I just see it better and instead of the counter trend thinking taking over I know what the trend is and an looking for continuation entries 15:25

<RussellDaytrade> trade errors had to correct, on one of them shorts, had added another short instead of having closed it, closed it just now at 782.8 15:28

<Brutus> Also watching the ES move in channels and volume much of the hershey stuff but am not a convert :) 15:30

<RussellDaytrade> haven't looked at the hershey stuff, beginning to focus more and more on my own work. 15:31

<Brutus> What size account do you plan to trade with what margins? 15:34

<RussellDaytrade> small account(s), with large margin ratios 15:35

<Brutus> how many total contracts? I just saw you go to 20 on th esim 15:36

<RussellDaytrade> am looking for capital to trade / accounts

<Brutus> Ask emini to back you , He may be in a good mood today :) 15:37

<RussellDaytrade> yes, that maxed it out, wanted to add more, account was fully margined at the 20, it was actually 21 today. 15:38

trading 50k sim account(s), 1 l/s, the other short only 15:39

usually one or the other goes begging while i mind the store with the other. up on both accounts. slowly transitioning to paying more attention to trading them. 15:40

<Brutus> What i was thinking was that you should set total contracts to whatever you plan to start with. 15:44

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<RussellDaytrade> lots of room for improvement in both accounts, by applying some trend trades. managed to do a few today on the long side, buying several pullbacks, still not aggresively approaching the trend trades with conviction and regularity. lots of room there. 15:45

that would be 1-2 total, for the time being trading just my capital. most often just 1. 15:46

am making allowances that i cannot always pinpoint entries, but can target entry zones. 15:47

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<DevilDog> nite all 16:05

<werner> gn all 16:13

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