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#FuturesTrades July 17th Thursday 2008 Trade Log

Russell 2000 Emini ER2 Futures

Today	Month	Year
+0.00	+156.00	+2042.60
$0	$15,600	$204,260

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Session Start: Thu Jul 17 07:58:11 2008Session Ident: #FuturesTrades

* Now talking in #FuturesTrades 07:58

<X> [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTra desChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrad es.htm

<rickf> gm all 08:20

housing starts /jobless claims at 0830 08:22

<DJ> ty & GM 08:23

<X> #FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm 08:30

<KN-SR> Long ES @ 1251.50

add

Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1253.50 --> + 2 08:31

<DJ> :-)

gm

<KN-SR> limit sale 11 con 1247.75

h 11 + 1 08:32

gm DJ

<nqcruiser> i was hort DAX b4 news 08:33

but with stop at 22

luckily got stop out for profit

<KN-SR> Exited 2 ES Long @ 1252.50 --> + 1 08:34

limit sale ----> 9 08:35

<DJ> 691.90 res point for ER if we break up to 693

session high of 692.3 08:36

bbl (C) 08:37

<nqcruiser> long dax 46.5 08:41

sl 42

<tzar> morning 08:42

<DJ> gm

<rickf> gm

<tzar> my overnight entries didnt get filled :(

<nqcruiser> got 10 pts

out at 56

<tzar> nice 08:43

<nqcruiser> due to laziness

i need to put 10 pt t/p

on mt4

<tzar> how many cts

<rickf> 10pts is nice dax run

<nqcruiser> .10 minilots

i am cruising a 2range chart

on ninjatrader 08:44

i am now in capitalist mode 08:45

preserving profits

<DJ> pre-market consolidation 08:46

<nqcruiser> short dax 54 08:47

<tzar> short 1252

1 ct, holding this till market opens 08:48

<KN-SR> Exited ES Long @ 1251.50 --> 0 08:51

Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1251.50

<nqcruiser> can some1 push down dax

there c goes

i put a 10pt t/p and continusly lower the stop by 5 pts 08:52

* nyquil is now known as silo

<tzar> gm KN-SR

<KN-SR> gm

<nqcruiser> stupid 08:53

<tzar> i think you just got it nq

<nqcruiser> again got taken out at 10pts

t/p

<KN-SR> Covered 3/4 ES Short @ 1250.00 --> + 1.5

s.l 1.5

<nqcruiser> i need to tweak win rate to 60% 08:54

thats when i relax

right now 50%

<KN-SR> Covered ES Short @ 1251.50 --> 0 08:59

Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1251.50

Exited ES Long @ 1251.50 --> 0 09:01

Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1251.50

<Widgetman> C

H

O

P

<nqcruiser> lol 09:02

<KN-SR> s.l 1.25 09:03

bbl

this is not going anywhere

<DJ> y

ranging

expect rather volatile open as usual 09:04

waiting for an ER pop in either direction

for reversal entry

<nqcruiser> i think another 10pts on DAX will do

t/p 43 09:05

<tzar> t/p = target point?

<nqcruiser> ouch out again 09:06

yes

in metatrader

my entry was 51

t/p 43

<tzar> still holding original short 09:07

1252.00

i think we go down a bit then up

<nqcruiser> so far got 30pts in dax 09:08

will relax and came back at 9h30

<tzar> nice nq

<DJ> my take was yesterday's financial stop pop 09:14

was short covering

ER has crossed 20 per MA lower at 6:15a 09:15

<PapaJon> gm all 09:20

<DJ> gm 09:21

<ItalianSharp> morning all

<DJ> gm

<nqcruiser> dj er2 is droping 09:22

y dont the others

<futurible> gm all 09:24

<DJ> yes nq....but right at lower bollinger band and above 200 period ma

could squirt lower

both er and es just above 200 period Mov Avgs 09:25

688.90 and 1249.53

ORB expected as usual with volatility 09:26

<silo> anyone here uses x_trader from velocity 09:27

other than niha

<DJ> TS here 09:28

<drt> gm all 09:29

<DJ> gm

<szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1250 «« paper »» 09:31

<tzar> where is oil at , anyone ?

<DJ> 134 09:32

<tzar> thx

<DJ> ORB! 09:33

<rickf> slow going 09:35

<DJ> waiting on er 09:41

<Spartan> Long NQ @ 1861 «« paper »» 09:42

<DJ> MY TS Automated trader signaled a long at 09:43

692.3

I did not trade it 09:44

good scalp,tho

still testing it

it also lost money earlier before the open

<jsbach> what's it based off of?

<DJ> candlestick formations and MA with VOL 09:45

it works better at the extremes

<jsbach> neat

I still have not tried TS

<DJ> when the er is consolidating, then it is no good

<jsbach> I use QuoteCenter

<DJ> in and out with 50 tick trades that are less than 50% winners

<Spartan> Exited all NQ Long @ 1861 --> + 565.25 «« paper »» 09:47

Shorts ES @ 1257.50 «« paper »» 09:48

Covered all ES Short @ 1254.50 --> + 3 «« paper »» 09:53

<DJ> missed it on phne call

<rickf> short es 1252 sm sz 09:57

* jsbach long ES @ 1252 10:01

<DJ> vol spike er 10:02

bbl 10:03

<Spartan> Long NQ @ 1853.50 «« paper »» 10:04

Exited all NQ Long @ 1848.50 --> - 5 «« paper »» 10:05

* jsbach exit ES -2

<rickf> exit es 1249.75 +2.25

early exit i think

yup 10:06

* subq_ --market profile charts for today-- http://www.charthub.com/chart/search/mpc hart 10:08

<rickf> short es 1248375 sm sz 10:09

1248.75

exit es 1248.75 b/e + 0 10:12

* codehead_afk is now known as codehead

<rickf> didnt happen :(

<DJ> did not trade as it puched thru, rick? 10:19

punched

<rickf> nope am flat

<DJ> vg

better than loss(h)

<rickf> short may be setting up tho -- maybe

yah no kidding 10:20

<DJ> i'm always satisfied to lose just commissions

rather than it getting away from me

<rickf> aye

<DJ> (y)

<rickf> short es 1250 sm sz 10:26

exit es 1249.25 +.75 10:30

energy #s coming out

<DJ> observe: only large vol spike on er was at:

9:09

for swing traders, this was followed by long buying 10:31

my vol bars were red with hi vol

<Baxwill> DJ, that EST ?

<DJ> CST

<Baxwill> thks

<DJ> The only significant swing trade, my goal, was from there to the exit at 10:32

9:21CST

been watching this for a while

for swings, this is a great "marker" for entries both long and short

for scalping - - well, not applicable in my observ.

so, my next swing will be within 3 bars of a large block trade 10:33

<X> #FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm

<DJ> I just drew a vol trend line....a nice slant downward

good for a signal above that midline

not suggesting just making observ for suggestions here 10:34

looking for input

<szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1252 --> - 2 «« paper »» 10:35

Shorts ES @ 1251 «« paper »» 10:36

<DJ> rick, thanks for energy note to forum

<rickf> np

<DJ> numbers are out

<rickf> just call me the town crier

<DJ> ;-)

<szubaark> chop here 10:40

<rickf> big time

<DJ> y hard to call szu

ty 10:41

any observations welcome

<rickf> short es 1249 sm sz

<szubaark> IF breaks 1247, we going lower

<rickf> exit 1/2 es 1248 +2 10:42

h2

<szubaark> nice rick

<rickf> thx

<szubaark> exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1251 «« paper »»

<DJ> vn

<rickf> stop to 1248.75 be+1 tick

that was 1247 exit 1/2 +2, not 1248 - my math not so good :( 10:44

<DJ> :43 was second highest vol spike on er

<rickf> exit remainder es 1247 +2 10:45

<szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1248.25 --> + 2.75 «« paper »» 10:51

<rickf> nice szu 10:52

<Baxwill> DJ, notice that your EST 10:09 support bounce is from a strong volume resistance yesterday at 15:50 10:58

Very strong Vol yest at that time 10:59

<startrader> Long NQ @ 1835.25 11:12

Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1838.25 --> + 3 11:13

Exited Remainder NQ Long @ 1839.25 --> + 4 11:14

<DJ> yes baxwill..sorry, phone call 11:18

<anglo> gm all 11:20

<jsbach> gm 11:21

<DJ> baxwill, draw trend lines and there is a wedge/triangle forming on er 11:23

from open on bottom and :46 at top and then narrows to now

not quite there, but a breakout could occur 11:24

we have also a head and shoulders - short timeframe

684.40 to .65 shoulders 11:25

support is at 676.70 which is pivot

have business meeting shortly 11:26

bbtomorrow

<startrader> Shorts NQ @ 1846

Covered all NQ Short @ 1847 --> - 1 11:28

* DJ is now away - Reason : meeting

<startrader> Long NQ @ 1843 11:32

Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1845.50 --> + 2.5 11:37

* jsbach long ES @ 1248.50

<startrader> Exited 1/4 NQ Long @ 1847 --> + 4 11:39

Shorts ES @ 1250 11:41

Shorts ES @ 1252 -> Add 11:43

Covered all ES Short @ 1250 --> + 2 11:54

<Andy> vn st

<startrader> ty 11:55

Covered Remainder NQ Short @ 1849.50 --> - 599.5

this thing can rocket if oil gets spanked much more. 11:57

<pat255> y star ... 11:59

leery of S now

<Awash> good afternoon all 12:03

<startrader> Long NQ @ 1844.50

corn just caught a good bid at key retracement level from 5.29 low. not good for oil moving lower. 12:06

Long NQ @ 1842.50 -> Add 12:08

* pat255 is now known as manto 12:09

<startrader> Exited all NQ Long @ 1841 --> - 5 12:10

that's going to leave a mark..

<Widgetman> hehe

I got capped on short calls in AM start today 12:11

ya want to borrow some ass cream ?

hehe

this is all options games

<startrader> options and energy 12:12

ass cream? I am going to leave that one alone... 12:14

<Widgetman> hehe

for my chapped ass I got today

hehe

<startrader> Long NQ @ 1842.25

<anglo> prep-H extra strengrh may help... 12:15

<Widgetman> every month I trade options expiry week and every month I get a chap 12:17

when will I learn

LOL

<anglo> prolly never

* jsbach exit ES - 1.25

<startrader> Long NQ @ 1840.25 -> Add

<anglo> that's what the stats say, nothing personal

<jsbach> ouch 12:18

hit by one tick

<startrader> finally caught one with some size on 12:19

<manto> vn star

<startrader> Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1843.50 --> + 3.25 12:21

Exited Remainder NQ Long @ 1844 --> + 1.75 12:24

<Widgetman> nice recovery start

hard to get back in there after a loss

<startrader> summer lunch chop... 12:25

going to mow the yard, have a bumber crop of grass going, not the smokeable variety! 12:31

<Widgetman> hehe

better take a hat

<startrader> there goes oil higher. 12:32

indidvidual equity options volume is up 50% yoy on the cbot, lot's of new retail investors are going to need some ass cream this week I think. 12:34

<X> #FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm 12:39

<KN-SR> Long ES @ 1248 12:50

Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1249.50 --> + 1.5 12:52

s.l 1.25

<Baxwill> KN, what does s.1 1.25 mean please? 12:55

<jsbach> stop-loss 12:56

<Baxwill> u mean after he sold first 3/4, he moved stop to 1.25 max loss? 12:57

<rickf> long es 1250.25

<KN-SR> Exited 2 ES Long @ 1250.50 --> + 2.5 12:58

<jsbach> baxwill: he set the stop from the beginning...usually his aim is to get to breakeven ASAP

<Baxwill> ok, that is clear, thks 12:59

<KN-SR> Baxwill, the stop is 1.25 for the whole trade

<rickf> exit 49.25 -1

<Baxwill> gotcha, thks

<KN-SR> uw

<rickf> dag - chart lag 13:00

<KN-SR> Exited 2 ES Long @ 1251.00 --> + 3 13:10

<startrader> oil can drop another $10, nothing but air under $132.

<KN-SR> h7

Exited 1 ES Long @ 1253 --> + 5 13:13

Exited 1 ES Long @ 1254 --> + 6 13:14

<Andy> vn KN

<KN-SR> thanks Andy

<Baxwill> KN great call at your entry 13:16

<KN-SR> thanks Baxwill

<szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1254 «« paper »»

Covered all Short ES at 1256 --> - 2 «« paper »» 13:17

Buys ES @ 1256 «« paper »»

<Baxwill> That entry was just coming out of chop, hard to be commited,

was second HL after a bottom 13:18

Had DB, tiny

Must have resonated with KN 13:19

<KN-SR> Exited 2 ES Long @ 1258.00 --> + 10

h3

<Baxwill> They just keeeep peeling off :) 13:20

<KN-SR> Exited 1 ES Long @ 1257.00 --> + 9 13:21

done with 10 :) 13:22

<jsbach> hehe

<chomper> nice 13:24

<Baxwill> KN, for your entry , were u relying on the peak resitance for the high yesterday? 13:25

<KN-SR> no

<Baxwill> Then whay , pray tell, gave you the confidence? 13:26

<KN-SR> just took the trade and got lucky 13:27

<Baxwill> Nahhhhh :)

<KN-SR> lets work on this trust issue first :)

<Baxwill> LOL 13:28

<jsbach> lol

<rickf> long es 1256.50 sm sz 13:30

exit es 1258 +1.5 13:36

resistance 13:37

<szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 1257.75 --> + 1.75 «« paper »» 13:38

Shorts ES @ 1257.75 «« paper »»

Covered all Short ES at 1259.50 --> - 1.75 «« paper »» 13:39

Buys ES @ 1259.50 «« paper »»

<KN-SR> 75 is not that far :) 13:40

<szubaark> Price just sitting here 13:53

<startrader> Shorts NQ @ 1866 14:08

Covered all NQ Short @ 1864.25 --> + 1.75 14:10

corn close under $6.31 can spill over to kill oil longs here. 14:13

they are doing it 14:15

<szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 1260.50 --> + 1 «« paper »»

Shorts ES @ 1260.25 «« paper »»

<startrader> did it in the last minute! 14:16

<szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1260.50 --> - 0.25 «« paper »» 14:18

Buys ES @ 1260.50 «« paper »»

<startrader> Long NQ @ 1864.75

there goes oil!

<rickf> long es 1261.25 sm sz 14:21

<futurible> go to 699-700 14:23

<rickf> exit es 61..75 +.50

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<szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 1260.50 --> 0 «« paper »» 14:24

Shorts ES @ 1260.50 «« paper »»

Covered all Short ES at 1262 --> - 1.5 «« paper »» 14:26

Buys ES @ 1262 «« paper »»

nail biter here if you Long or Short

<startrader> wait for oil to close 14:27

<rickf> long es 1262 sm sz

<lisa> oil keep dropping 14:28

no reverse

<rickf> 2pt sl

<szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 1260.50 --> - 1.5 «« paper »» 14:30

Shorts ES @ 1260.50 «« paper »»

<startrader> Long NQ @ 1863.75 14:31

just shakin out longs here. 14:32

<rickf> short es 1258 sm sz 14:35

eit 1/2 es 1255.50 +2.5 14:42

<szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1255.25 --> + 5.25 «« paper »»

<X> #FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm

<rickf> wtg szu

<szubaark> u too.. nice reversals Rick

<rickf> nail biters to be sure :( 14:43

exit es remainder 1256 +2 14:44

short es 12556 sm sz 14:45

exit 12/ es 1254 + 2 14:49

<KN-SR> 1256.00 add 14:50

Large

3/4 +1.00 1257.00 14:51

limit sale 11 con 1255.00 -1.00

<rickf> exit remainder es 1256 +0 14:53

<KN-SR> hit and out 14:55

<rickf> note to self: let the trade develop. 14:56

<szubaark> Buys ES @ 1253 «« paper »» 14:57

<rickf> dangerous i think

<JimL> Is there a tutorial link to explain the setup for the posting formats (colors etc) like some of you (KN, szu, start) normally use?

<rickf> is in the forums 14:58

<KN-SR> 1253.00 add

<rickf> but doesn't cover all platforms/systems

<szubaark> exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1253 «« paper »» 14:59

<JimL> TY I just started researching the forums each night for the information, education, & help. I'll keep looking studying. 15:00

<szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 1254.25 --> + 1.25 «« paper »»

<rickf> np

nice scalp szu 15:01

<szubaark> thx..

yup, thats all it was meant to be

<KN-SR> out 3/4 1253.00 1255 + 2.00

<rickf> i have a hard time going long below 1259 or so

<KN-SR> limit sale 11 con 1252.00 -1.00 15:02

out 5 1257 + 4.00

out 2 1256 + 3.00 15:04

<rickf> short es 256 sm sz 15:35

1256

exit 1/2 es 1253 +3 15:37

h2

exit es remainder 1253 +3 15:39

;pmg es 1259 sm sz 15:49

geez long es 1259 sm sz 15:52

can't type

1 pt ts 15:53

exit 1259 be +0 15:56

:(

big earnings tonight 15:58

goog, ibm, mer 15:59

<startrader> wow! 16:02

<rickf> dam

goog down 45

dammit, that spread i closed this morning would've been fine

<KN-SR> Long ES @ 1255.50 16:05

s.l 54.25

Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1258 --> + 2.5 16:07

Exited 1 ES Long @ 1257.50 --> + 2 16:08

Exited 1 ES Long @ 1257 --> + 1.5

Exited 1 ES Long @ 1256.50 --> + 1 16:09

* x-script1 is now known as starglazer

<KN-SR> Long ES @ 1251.50 16:10

large

Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1254.50 --> + 3 16:11

s.l .50

<szubaark> excellent fill KN!

<KN-SR> Exited 2 ES Long @ 1255 --> + 3.5

Exited 2 ES Long @ 1254 --> + 2.5

Exited 2 ES Long @ 1253.50 --> + 2

thanks

Exited 2 ES Long @ 1253 --> + 1.5

Exited 1 ES Long @ 1252.50 --> + 1 16:12

h2

add 52

Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1253.50 --> + 2

add 52 16:13

Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1253.50 --> + 2

h 2 +2 + 2

Exited 1 ES Long @ 1254 --> + 2.5 16:14

h5

s.l .50

<Widgetman> ya make it look so easy KN :) 16:19

<X> #FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm 16:48

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