#FuturesTrades July 8th Tuesday 2008 Trade Log

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	Session Start: Tue Jul 08 00:00:00 2008Session Ident: #futurestrades
<@X>	#FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm	00:49
<KN-SR>	Shorts ES @ 6326	03:00
<+KN-SR>	Covered ES Short @ 6321 --> + 5
	1/2	03:01
<lisa>	kn, es or dax
<+lisa>	6321
<+KN-SR>	dax
	s.l 6331
<+lisa>	down more tomm?	03:02
	es
<+KN-SR>	tomm?
<+lisa>	y
<+KN-SR>	what is tomm?
<+lisa>	or support hit now
	tommorrow
<+KN-SR>	i think we will have a bullish day tomorrow	03:03
<+lisa>	as today?
<+KN-SR>	not sure yet, i havent done anything yet... just got to the desk
<+lisa>	asia bad news
<+KN-SR>	as usual
<+lisa>	drive market down	03:04
<+KN-SR>	well, here is a thing
	add.. 28
	i think is interesting	03:05
<+lisa>	es ?
<+KN-SR>	wait
	Shorts ES @ 6328
	add
<+lisa>	38 is next support
<+KN-SR>	Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 6323 --> + 5
	out all 26 23 +3
	s.l. 6333	03:06
	ok back
	the interesting thing si s
	i they knwo what u and i know, dont u thing they will try to use it against us?
	they means market makers
	cool	03:07
	it dropping
	wehen asia market has a down day
	thre rest of the world expects that us seesion will have a down day too	03:08
	there is the problem
<+lisa>	y
	that why it down now
<+KN-SR>	often atlest 80% time us session acts as a pull back session
	we are no longer in regular session mode	03:09
	as we have globex
	any market reacts to anyting quick	03:10
	only difference is in volume
	i think by time everyone knows a news, it not a news anymore
	add 18	03:11
	hit and out b//////////////////////e	03:13
	b/3
	e
	bad call
	Shorts ES @ 6336
	s.l 42
	brb
	Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 6326.00 --> + 10	03:16
	not es its dax	03:17
<+lisa>	lol
<+KN-SR>	i was too busy with price and all those voluem and market depth
	hardly looking at the chatt log
	this is why i dont post my dax trades here, very hard to go back and forth	03:18
	dax changes pretty fast
<+lisa>	y
	how much each tick worth	03:19
	u r not in usa , r u
<+KN-SR>	in m in tx
	25 Euro
<+lisa>	how much in us dollar	03:20
<+KN-SR>	times 1.5
<+lisa>	u trade at night often/	03:21
	?
<+KN-SR>	i trade dax for few hrs every trading day......... so yes	03:22
	i like dax
	over es
<+lisa>	er,es u trde at regular hour
<+KN-SR>	yes	03:23
<+lisa>	no sleep
<+KN-SR>	i trade anyting :)
<jsbach>	KN...
<+KN-SR>	hi jbasch
	Covered 1 DAX Short @ 6318 --> + 18
	h 3	03:24
	i like to trade different instrument
	get bored after a while
	:(
	fill was at 6319	03:25
<+jsbach>	KN, I am using Ninjatrader for charting, and I don't like how when I switch to a smaller time frame, it seems like my trend lines (from larger time frames) are no longer in place... ---- From your experience, what is a good charting software for using channels?
<+KN-SR>	ensign
	they have auto trend ............... shows u a channel	03:26
<+jsbach>	ty
<+KN-SR>	and
	the best one is tradesion
	but its a way lot complicated	03:27
	ensign should be ok at this moment i guess
	add 15
	Covered 1/2 DAX Short @ 6305 --> + 31	03:28
	h 3 + 2	03:29
	brb	03:31
	Covered 1 DAX Short @ 6300 --> + 36	03:33
	3 + 1
	brb	03:35
<+lisa>	oil drop crazy	03:39
<+KN-SR>	Covered 1 DAX Short @ 6291.00 --> + 45	03:46
	h3
	Covered 1 DAX Short @ 6281 --> + 55	03:47
	h2
	Covered 1 DAX Short @ 6286 --> + 50	03:48
	h - Last
	s.l 6331 +5.00
	bbl	03:52
<@X>	#FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm	04:58
<+tzar>	KN-SR	05:04
	KN-SR
	KN-SR
	KN-SR	05:10
	KN-SR
	KN-SR
<+jsbach>	how's it goin tzar?	05:11
<+tzar>	morning jsbach
	just woke up
<+jsbach>	gm
<+tzar>	shorting dax	05:12
<+jsbach>	same here lol
<+tzar>	:)
	where you in at
<+jsbach>	im in at 6305
<+tzar>	06 here
	beat ya :)
<+jsbach>	:)
<+tzar>	im out
	03.5
<+jsbach>	nice	05:13
<+tzar>	i like the long better
	its down 153
	has to go up
	what do you think
	in at 06 again	05:14
<+jsbach>	i'm not sure, i was thinking dax would go down on the "europe's shares slide..." news
<+tzar>	it is down 154 points alerady	05:15
	thats a lot
	target 02.5
<+jsbach>	true..it has been trying to go back up...making subtle higher lows
<+tzar>	2 ticks
	comoen
	1 tick
	crap
<+jsbach>	but this news will possibly send it back down to where it was before it started coming back up. maybe. hehe	05:16
<+tzar>	moved to 03.5
	you still in?
<+jsbach>	unfortunately
<+tzar>	giving it till 12 then i reverse	05:17
	long	05:18
	12
	you still in?	05:19
<+jsbach>	ya	05:20
	hehe
<+tzar>	masachist :)
<+jsbach>	stop at 6316..not looking good...it's like they institutional buyers know the "herd" is trying to short the news...
<+tzar>	lots of action at 12	05:21
	i have a talent of getting in right where it resistance/support
	not above it or below it
<+jsbach>	so this week is earnings report week...	05:23
<+tzar>	short 7.5
<+jsbach>	does that mean same for European companies?
<+tzar>	no clue
	i bet KN-SR knows
	KN-SR
	KN-SR
	KN-SR
	KN-SR
	wake up
	nice hold	05:24
<+jsbach>	finally I am back at b/e
	yeah
<+tzar>	really
	mustve sweat a litle?
* +jsbach	gets a hankercheif
<+tzar>	:)
	im down 187
	realised
<+jsbach>	tryin 2 keep a close eye on the news	05:25
	the high volume on that green doji was a good sign	05:26
<+tzar>	no chart here
<+jsbach>	looking at 1min chart..it had highest volume within the past 18 mins
<+tzar>	out
	299
	wee
	im 25 green
	from -187
	pheww	05:27
	some heavey volume going thru
	short 97	05:28
<+jsbach>	nice
<+tzar>	right in time	05:29
	look at ES	05:30
	trying to break 40
	big support
	gonna get out here
	out 93.5
	damn	05:31
	your in right?
<+jsbach>	yeah	05:32
<+tzar>	nice
	next time i get in is when es break 40
<+jsbach>	hangin in there...moved stop profit to 6296
<+tzar>	in 2 ticks
	might even long here	05:33
	dax is exciting
	very
	long 90	05:34
	this is just a scalp
	small target
	94	05:35
	couldnt hold it
	got out 93
	im now at +187.50 euro :)	05:36
	5 min ago i was -187.50
<+jsbach>	nice	05:38
	good holding
<+tzar>	crap
	i shorter 96.5
	try to get out
<+jsbach>	i am hoping that a lot of ppl are going to see this retracement as a secondary opportunity for getting in short..	05:39
<+tzar>	weeeee
	im out
	at +1 tick hah
	to cover costs
	i did not like this one bit	05:40
	was stupid trade to do
	based on overexcitement
	seeing ES going up
	where you from jsbach
<+jsbach>	tallahassee, fl	05:41
<+tzar>	toronto, canada
<+jsbach>	never been there
<+tzar>	pretty here	05:42
	clean compared to nyc
	you in?	05:43
<+jsbach>	no, my stop profit got hit @ 96	05:45
<+tzar>	how many points did you get
<+jsbach>	9 or 10	05:46
<+tzar>	nice
<+jsbach>	I need to work on my exits
<+tzar>	how many contrats you takin
<+jsbach>	1	05:47
<+tzar>	same
	one day ill be taking 8 like kn
	haha
<+jsbach>	I am hoping for the same
<+tzar>	you still short bias??	05:51
<+jsbach>	I'm undecided...
	looking at news
<+tzar>	i took a long
	scalp	05:52
	300.5
	ES pushing up
	out
	303.5	05:53
	when did you start trading dax	05:58
<+jsbach>	just within the past couple of weeks with real funds
<+tzar>	how is it going so far
<+jsbach>	not too good	05:59
<+tzar>	sorry to hear
<+jsbach>	yeah...
<+tzar>	getting excited here	06:00
	dax that is
	8.5 long	06:02
	dang	06:06
	took a loss there
	2 ticks
	no way	06:07
	coulda made my 1 tick profit	06:08
	as NihabaAshi says.. Houdini escape
	but i couldnt hold it
<+jsbach>	haha
<+tzar>	took the 25 $ loss
	you watching ES?	06:10
	jsbach	06:11
<+jsbach>	yes
	but mostly watching dax
<+tzar>	do you see a corelation?
	did you go long?	06:14
<+jsbach>	yeah, got stopped out	06:16
<+tzar>	:(
	post your trades
	if you dont mind	06:17
	i want to trade togather
<+jsbach>	eeek :)	06:18
	okay i'll try
<+tzar>	long 86.5	06:19
	out 88	06:20
	dont like this long	06:21
<+jsbach>	good exit
<+tzar>	might break down
	bad trade
	i expected a sharp up run
	didnt happen, then i bailed
<+jsbach>	i need to learn how to exit sooner...i am usually late on excit	06:22
<+tzar>	damn	06:23
	now it goes
	i thought this move would happen but faster	06:24
<+jsbach>	good entry..
<+tzar>	i guess	06:25
	but bad exit
<+jsbach>	you stuck with the plan	06:26
<+tzar>	thats true
	and made 3 ticks
	could have been 20 ticks
	im scared to enter here	06:28
<+jsbach>	short 6297.5
<+tzar>	nice
	you short and it jumps down
<+jsbach>	going against me here now	06:29
<+tzar>	:(
	careful ES quite high
<+jsbach>	hmm	06:30
	out
<+tzar>	ES and dax have good correlation right now
	and DAX is lagging
	the last trade	06:32
	why did you take it
<+jsbach>	I can't remember	06:33
	wonder what that volatility spike was about	06:35
<+tzar>	hmm	06:36
	probobly KN took a long
	23 long
<+jsbach>	short @ 1321	06:38
	i mean 6321
	hehe
	out +6	06:39
	short 6320	06:40
	out -2
<+tzar>	how many did you take	06:41
	cts
	im out -5	06:42
<+jsbach>	short 6324	06:43
<+tzar>	that was violent
<+jsbach>	out +2	06:44
	short 6323.5	06:46
	out +2
<+tzar>	scalping eh
<+jsbach>	yeah..looking at 1min chart..see the volume spike with the candle with the long upper wick..	06:48
	another high volume interval just appeared...long upper wick..	06:50
<+tzar>	the violence	06:53
	volotile
<+jsbach>	i think we are at a top here
	notice the volume spike in ES
<+tzar>	im short 29.5
	2 ct
	not liking this one bit	06:54
<+jsbach>	29.5?
<+tzar>	yep
	first was 26.5
	secod 32.5
	avg
	29.5
	im out
	26.5
<+jsbach>	out
<+tzar>	thats like +6	06:55
	looking for a short again
<+jsbach>	me too
<+tzar>	37.5
	looks like DAX is leading now	06:56
	ES lagging
	out	06:57
	34.5
	+3
	staying away from shorts
	looks like this thing wants to close the gap
	we might face some resistance here	06:59
	ES close to 50
	i say we go another 10 points up on dax
	and hang there for a while
<@X>	#FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm	07:01
<+tzar>	you in?	07:05
<+jsbach>	ya
<+tzar>	where at
<+jsbach>	6338.5	07:06
<+tzar>	nice
	target
	?
<+jsbach>	not sure..just got stopped
	(stop profit)	07:07
<+tzar>	take it again?
<+jsbach>	not yet
<+tzar>	im pending
	41
<+jsbach>	u are trying 2 get in at 41?
<+tzar>	1
	trading 2 was extreme	07:08
<+jsbach>	2 = to hehe
<+tzar>	oh
	yes
<+jsbach>	ok
<+tzar>	trying to short 31
	41
	dont think ill get it
	and if i do
	i dont think ill want it then
	you green for the day?
<+jsbach>	no, I am down a bit	07:10
<+tzar>	we gonna have to fix that	07:11
	im down from my day net high
	that -5 was on 2 ct
	and was painful
<+jsbach>	oh...what instrument?
<+tzar>	DAX
<+jsbach>	ahh
<+tzar>	yea
	200 euro out the window	07:12
	im up 287 now
	was at 400
	fees probobly near 80$	07:13
	pending 336	07:14
	short
<+jsbach>	seems reasonable	07:15
<+tzar>	got it
	32 target
	41 still pending	07:16
	push it down!
	hmm	07:17
	got 41
	oh crap
	took 46.5	07:18
	3 cts total
<+jsbach>	possible bearish div.
<+tzar>	41 avg
<+jsbach>	es lower high, dax higher high
	stalled here	07:21
<+tzar>	well this sucks	07:22
<+jsbach>	maybe they will come down and fill the WRB	07:23
<+tzar>	it wil
	will
	i hope
	thier pushing it up	07:28
	im out
	im down 300
	long 48.5	07:30
	2
	short 46.5	07:32
	2
	out 42.5
<+jsbach>	has entered WRB S/R zone	07:37
	should fall to bottom of support
	of WRB
	I am up +20	07:43
	on this one...and still going
	you still awake?	07:45
<+tzar>	yep
<+jsbach>	nice
	did u get in when it crossed into the WRB zone?
	or before that...or not at all
<+tzar>	dont know whats the WRB zone	07:46
	but holding a nice short
<+jsbach>	nice
<+tzar>	thats giving me my money back
<+jsbach>	same here
<+tzar>	:)
	where you at
	in	07:47
<+jsbach>	6350.5
<+tzar>	nicee
	you green?
<+jsbach>	out +20
<+tzar>	i think it still has some juice
<+jsbach>	yes
	7:18am...that is when we first noticed a possible bearish divergence	07:48
	that is where the WRB is
<+tzar>	pheeew
	managed to cancel my exit
	and it fell another 2 pts :D	07:49
<+jsbach>	:) :)
<+tzar>	i want 24.5
	then i too will have 20+
	comoen 2 more points	07:50
	1 more
	push it down
<+jsbach>	hmm
<+tzar>	give me 24.5
<+KN-SR>	Shorts DAX @ 243.75
<+tzar>	well well wel
	who decided to join the tea party :)	07:51
	morning kn
<+KN-SR>	gm
<+tzar>	out 29.5
<rickf>	gm
<+tzar>	stoped out
<+KN-SR>	s.l 1.25	07:52
	brb
<+jsbach>	good morning rickf
<+rickf>	gm jsb
<+tzar>	heya rick	07:53
<+rickf>	compose anything good? :)
	gm tsar, all
<+KN-SR>	Covered DAX Short @ 1244.25. --> + 243.75 - 1244.25.	08:00
	Reverse and Enter Long DAX @ 1244.25.
<+rickf>	:(
<+KN-SR>	Long DAX @ 1244.25
<+rickf>	long dax 6338 paper
<+KN-SR>	Exited 1/2 DAX Long @ 1247.25 --> + 3
	Exited ES Long @ 1247.50 --> + 3.25	08:01
	Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1247.50
	s.l 1.25
<+rickf>	exit dax 6349 paper +9
<+KN-SR>	Covered 3/4 ES Short @ 1246 --> + 1.5	08:02
	Covered ES Short @ 1246.25 --> + 1.25
	Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1246.25
	s.l.5	08:03
<+rickf>	long da 6344 paper
<+KN-SR>	Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1247.75 --> + 1.5	08:04
	Exited ES Long @ 1247.00 --> + 0.75	08:06
	Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1247.00
	s.l 49.25
<+rickf>	exit dax 6349 -5 paper
<+KN-SR>	Covered ES Short @ 1246 --> + 1	08:07
	Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1246
	s.l 43.25
<+rickf>	long dax 6344 paper	08:08
<+KN-SR>	brb
<+tzar>	Long DAX @ 6339 «« paper »»	08:09
<+rickf>	exit dax 6340 -4 paper	08:14
<+tzar>	Exited all DAX Long @ 6343 --> + 4 «« paper »»	08:18
<+rickf>	long dax 6342 paper
<+tzar>	Long DAX @ 6338 «« paper »»
	Exited all DAX Long @ 6342.5 --> + 4.5 «« paper »»
<+KN-SR>	nice tzar
<+tzar>	thanks :)
	its ranging	08:19
<+rickf>	exit dax 6347 +5 paper
	nice tsar
	tzar
<+tzar>	you took rickf
	:)
<+rickf>	you know who you are :)
<+tzar>	lol
<+rickf>	just doesnt want to go above 6351 or so	08:20
<+tzar>	im pending short 50
<anglo>	gm
<+tzar>	gm anglo	08:21
	Shorts DAX @ 6350 «« paper »»	08:22
<+rickf>	might be dangerous	08:24
<+tzar>	yep
	im stopped out
<+rickf>	whats your sl
<+tzar>	Covered all DAX Short @ 6353 --> - 3 «« paper »»
<+rickf>	ahh
<+tzar>	it looks liked it was going to do that	08:25
	i wanted 2 ticks profit
	thats all
	it spend too much time above 50
<+rickf>	on dax i have given up using stops -- it moves bigtime within the trend but can still keep the trend
<+tzar>	yep
<+rickf>	got stopped out a bunch and then said i'd fly it manually
	been down 10 and suddenyl up 15
<+KN-SR>	Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1249.50 --> + 3.5
<+tzar>	i put a stop on dax if i see theres imminent danger	08:26
	where i jsut want to cover my fees
<+rickf>	fair 'nuff
<+tzar>	it did this today few times
	stay stay stay and then lift off	08:27
<+KN-SR>	Exited 1 ES Long @ 1251 --> + 5	08:28
<+tzar>	Shorts DAX @ 6367.5 «« paper »»	08:29
	Covered all DAX Short @ 6364.5 --> + 3 «« paper »»
	morning startrader	08:30
	Long DAX @ 6370 «« paper »»
<+KN-SR>	Exited 1 ES Long @ 1252 --> + 6
<+tzar>	this is a long term trade for me
<+rickf>	looks like a decent entry	08:31
<+tzar>	i want 50 pts
	:D
	87 to close the gap
	50 should be easy
<+rickf>	ahhh but you didnt specify which direction you wanted those points -- market gods have a sick sense of humor
<+tzar>	haha	08:32
	ok let me rephrase
	i want to GAIN ( long) 50 points :D
<+rickf>	:)
<+KN-SR>	Exited 1 ES Long @ 1253 --> + 7
<+tzar>	there we go
	i cant be wrong, KN is long as well	08:33
	on ES but thats details
<+rickf>	long es
	es follows dax usually
	:)
<+tzar>	yep
	at 5 am
	dax followed es
	i traded of that
	+ price action
	made 400$ euro trading 1 contract in 8 trades	08:34
<+rickf>	dax is fun like that	08:35
	or painful
<+tzar>	yep
	i like it
	dax is for bipolar people
	:)
<+KN-SR>	so. u r trading dax now and that makes u bipolar :)	08:36
<+tzar>	it made me bipolar
	1 second im happy another second im angry
	:)	08:37
	ES died
	aint moving
<+KN-SR>	u think so?
<+tzar>	now at least
	there we go	08:38
	some upward movement
	KN just tapped the UP arrow on his keyboard
	and ES moved 1.25 points
<+anglo>	SR is "Spain-Russia" or "Support-Resistance" or both?	08:39
<+KN-SR>	should see 57.25
<+tzar>	i like the sound of that
<+rickf>	Some Russian
<+tzar>	lol
<+rickf>	think he means tzar
<+tzar>	im not some russian
	im THE russian
	...tzar
	:)	08:40
<+anglo>	the one, the only...
	THE
<+tzar>	going to try to get another contract at 68	08:41
	and sell it right away at 73
	Long DAX @ 6368 -> Add «« paper »»	08:42
	well this aint going the way i had this in my mind	08:43
<+anglo>	the Smirnoff or the Dax?	08:44
<+tzar>	dax
<+anglo>	put some orange juice in it then.
<+rickf>	long dax 6370 paper	08:45
<+tzar>	rickf how many ct
<+rickf>	2
<+tzar>	cool
	target?	08:46
<+rickf>	when it looks right
<+tzar>	i see	08:47
	ES not cooperating
	and DAX is afraid to go up solo
<startrader>	That 76.50 high was 50% of move from 7th highs to 8th lows.
<+tzar>	:(	08:49
<+rickf>	exit 6355 paper
<+tzar>	55?	08:50
<+rickf>	65
<+tzar>	you mean 65 right
	DAX is german right?
<+rickf>	yup	08:51
<+tzar>	its cool how it correlates to ES
	an ocean away
<+rickf>	it's all just electrons	08:53
<+tzar>	yep	08:54
	Exited DAX Long @ 6361 --> - 9 «« paper »»	08:55
	Reverse and Enter Short DAX @ 6361 «« paper »»
<+startrader>	possible bounce off 56-57 on dax.
<+anglo>	amazing how little pixels in cyberspace make you happy or depressed, no?
<+rickf>	for a while i had dax on the chart but traded es via the dom .based on how the dax moved....some days it was quite profitable for short moves
	yupper
<+tzar>	Covered all DAX Short @ 6356 --> + 17 «« paper »»	08:56
<+rickf>	vn
<+tzar>	that aint right
<+rickf>	umm	08:57
	iknow MY match aint the best
	:)
<+tzar>	61-56 = 5	08:58
	so +5
	2 ct
<+rickf>	ahh k
<+tzar>	startrader you do trade dax?	09:01
<+startrader>	no, just started watching it.
<+tzar>	I find clicking is to slow for trading, i wish there was a platform with electrodes that will read your mind	09:02
	i think this would give valuble time
<@X>	#FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm	09:04
<+rickf>	long dax 6367.5 paper	09:08
	exit dax 6377 +9.5 paper	09:10
	off for coffee brb	09:11
<+startrader>	Shorts DAX @ 6373 «« paper »»
	Covered all DAX Short @ 6379 --> - 6 «« paper »»	09:12
<+tzar>	morning Flex
<Splurge>	morning all	09:13
<+tzar>	Shorts DAX @ 6381 «« paper »»
	Shorts DAX @ 6385 -> Add «« paper »»	09:16
	3 total
	Covered all DAX Short @ 6379.5 --> + 7 «« paper »»	09:17
<+rickf>	bak
<szubaark>	hi rick	09:18
<+tzar>	wb
<+rickf>	heya szu
	mmm coffee
* +tzar	never drank a cup of coffe in his life
<+anglo>	crude drop should prop the spoos
	at least till 57.25 (TM KN-SR)	09:20
<+tzar>	ES having trouble breaking 0
	50	09:21
	1 pt move on ES = 10 on dax
	this is awesome
<+startrader>	market is going to be a little sticky with drop in crude.
<+rickf>	nice play on words star :)	09:22
<+startrader>	energy and financials are heavily weighted in indexes. If we can't get the financial going and energies are pulling back, it is net negative for indexes.
	:)
<+rickf>	no kidding -- the perfect storm	09:23
<+tzar>	soon 9:30	09:25
	in 3 min
	ill take the risk and take a long
	Long DAX @ 6371.5 «« paper »»	09:26
	1 ct
	i think when we reach 9.30 am
	we go up hard
<ItalianSharp>	MORNING ALL
<+tzar>	gm ItalianSharp
	here we go	09:27
	lets go up now
<futurible>	gm all
<PapaJon>	gm all
<+tzar>	push it up	09:28
<Mauro>	gm	09:29
<+tzar>	there we go	09:30
	push it up
<drt>	gm all
* codehead_afk	is now known as codehead	09:31
<+tzar>	it failed	09:32
	nooo
<+rickf>	short es 1248.75 paper	09:34
	oops too early
<+tzar>	short dax 6361.5
	paper
<@NihabaAshi_away>	Shorts ER2 @ 656.60 -> large size	09:35
<+tzar>	gm NihabaAshi_away
<+Mauro>	Shorts ER2 @ 656.5
* NihabaAshi_away	is now known as NihabaAshi
<kantor>	gm all
<+Mauro>	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 655.6 --> + 0.9	09:36
	Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 656.5 --> 0	09:37
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 656.90 --> - 0.3
<+rickf>	exit es 1250.50
<+Mauro>	Shorts ER2 @ 658.6	09:38
<+tzar>	what a fake breakdown
<+rickf>	long dax 6372 paper
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 658.60 -> large size	09:39
<+szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1252.50 «« paper »»	09:40
<+Mauro>	Covered ER2 Short @ 659.4 --> - 0.8
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 659.4
<+szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1254.50 --> + 2 «« paper »»
<+rickf>	exit dax 6382 +10 paper
	long es 1256.25 paper	09:42
<+startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1256.50
<+szubaark>	Shorts ES @ 1257.50 «« paper »»
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited 2/3 ER2 Long @ 663.00 --> + 4.4	09:43
<+startrader>	Covered all ES Short @ 1257 --> - 0.5
<+Mauro>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 662.3 --> + 2.9	09:44
<+startrader>	trade error
<+szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1256 --> + 1.5 «« paper »»
<+Mauro>	Shorts ER2 @ 662.6 -> large size	09:46
<+KN-SR>	Exited 2 ES Long @ 1257 --> + 11
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 662.30 --> + 3.7
<+rickf>	exit es 56.25 b/e +0
<+KN-SR>	Exited 1 ES Long @ 1255 --> + 9
<+Mauro>	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 661.6 --> + 1
<+szubaark>	Nice Niha.
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 661.00 -> small size	09:47
<+Mauro>	Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 661 --> + 1.6
<+KN-SR>	h2
<pat255>	kn overnight hold?	09:48
<+KN-SR>	nop
<+pat255>	pre mkt?
<+rickf>	long es 1256.50 paper
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 662.10 --> - 1.1
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 662.10
<+Mauro>	Shorts ER2 @ 662.4	09:49
	fast and furious
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 662.30 --> + 0.2
<+Mauro>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 660.8 --> + 1.6
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 661.00 -> medium size
<+rickf>	exit reverse es now short 1254 paper	09:50
<+KN-SR>	[07:07:12] <KN-SR> Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1246
	.............thats the entry
<pdays>	Shorts ER2 @ 662.
<silo>	Shorts ER2 @ 661 «« paper »»	09:51
<+KN-SR>	add 1254.25
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 661.60 --> - 0.6
<+pdays>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 661.5 --> + 0.5
<+Mauro>	Shorts ER2 @ 661.7
<+startrader>	oil at support see if it holds.
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 661.50 -> medium size	09:52
<+KN-SR>	Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1255.75 --> + 9.75	09:53
<+Mauro>	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 660.9 --> + 0.8	09:55
	Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 660.5 --> + 1.2
<+anglo>	very accurate 57.25 target KN-SR	09:56
<+KN-SR>	:) ............ thanks anglo
<+silo>	Shorts ER2 @ 66070 -> Add «« paper »»
	damn it
<+KN-SR>	took out my 10+ too	09:57
<+silo>	screwed up that add hehe
* subq	--market profile charts for today-- http://www.charthub.com/chart/search/mpc hart
<+startrader>	Long ES @ 1252.50	09:58
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 659.90 --> + 1.6
<+rickf>	exit es 1252 +2 paper	10:00
	finally
<+szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1254 «« paper »»
<+rickf>	52.25
<+Mauro>	what is the new ?
<+KN-SR>	Exited ES Long @ 1252 --> + 6	10:02
	Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1252
<+rickf>	short es 1252.25 paper
<+szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1249.25 --> - 4.75 «« paper »»
	:((
	Shorts ES @ 1249.25 «« paper »»
<+silo>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 657.30 --> + 65416.4 «« paper »»
<+KN-SR>	Covered 3/4 ES Short @ 1249.00 --> + 3
<futurible>	Pending Home Sales m/m, Mauro
<+rickf>	exit 1/2 es 49.25 + 3 paper
<+Mauro>	sorry szu
<+silo>	that's 6.5pts
	typed the add wrong
<+KN-SR>	s.l 53.75
<+Mauro>	thanks futurible
<+rickf>	h4	10:03
<+startrader>	Long ES @ 1249 -> Add
<+rickf>	exit es remainder 51.25 +1 paper	10:04
<+Mauro>	Shorts ER2 @ 659.3
<+rickf>	short dax 6366.5 paper	10:05
<+startrader>	Exited all ES Long @ 1252 --> + 2.5
<+Mauro>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 657.9 --> + 1.4	10:06
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 659.30 -> small size	10:08
<+rickf>	exit dax 6369.5 -3 paper
<@NihabaAshi>	At first I thought I was slow but I then realize the market is just moving a lot faster than I had expected.	10:09
<+szubaark>	yeah, real fast today, dont blink
<+KN-SR>	Long ES @ 1253
	Long ES @ 1253.75
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 660.70 --> + 1.4	10:10
<+KN-SR>	s.l. 1
	Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1254.75 --> + 1
<+rickf>	short dax 6371.5 paper	10:11
	out at 74.5 paper	10:12
	taking a break -- too many sloppy entris and misreads this morning
<+KN-SR>	Exited 2 ES Long @ 1255.75 --> + 2
<+Mauro>	Shorts ER2 @ 661.5
<+KN-SR>	h5
<+anglo>	nice zigzagging KN	10:13
<+Mauro>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 660.5 --> + 1
<+anglo>	amazing really
<+szubaark>	hopefully this thing calms down	10:14
<+rickf>	grrrr now it goes my way
<+Mauro>	hope this thing never calm
<+szubaark>	i was trying to get Long before i can click Price is 3 Points away LOL	10:15
<+KN-SR>	Shorts ES @ 1251.50
	s.l 53.25
	Covered 3/4 ES Short @ 1250 --> + 1.5
	thanks anglo	10:16
	hit and out	10:17
	Shorts ES @ 1252.00	10:20
	s.l 54.25
	Covered 3/4 ES Short @ 1250 --> + 2	10:21
	it will take forever..........bbl
	Covered 2 ES Short @ 1249 --> + 3	10:27
	h5
	bbl
<+rickf>	is it me or does the tape today feel somewhat strange...out-of-sync or something?	10:31
<@NihabaAshi>	Will stop trading soon...just got a phone message that something I ordered for my soon vacation has arrived and I need it before another appointment elsewhere today that's part of an installation.	10:34
<+KN-SR>	Covered 1 ES Short @ 1248 --> + 4	10:37
<+szubaark>	nice KN
<@NihabaAshi>	Things slowing down more now.
<+silo>	Shorts ER2 @ 656.60 «« paper »»
<+KN-SR>	thanks
	Covered 1 ES Short @ 1245 --> + 7	10:38
<+startrader>	Long ES @ 1246
<+KN-SR>	h3
<@NihabaAshi>	weak support area ER2
<+silo>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 655.40 --> + 1.2 «« paper »»	10:39
	dangerous area here .... this is a POC area	10:40
	out just to be safe
<+szubaark>	tape action still looks goofy	10:41
<@NihabaAshi>	Oil and Gold being helpful today with intermarket clues
<+szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1244.50 --> + 4.75 «« paper »»
<+rickf>	short es 1246 paper	10:44
	exit es 1244 paper +2	10:46
<+KN-SR>	Covered 1 ES Short @ 1244 --> + 8
<+startrader>	Long ES @ 1244.50 -> Add
<+KN-SR>	h2
<+szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1245.50 «« paper »»	10:47
	Exited all Long ES at 1247.25 --> + 1.75 «« paper »»	10:50
<+startrader>	Exited all ES Long @ 1247.25 --> + 4
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 655.00 -> small size	10:51
<+pat255>	vn star
<+startrader>	ty
<@NihabaAshi>	Lost track of time...need to be out of here no later than 11am est.	10:52
	Exited ER2 Long @ 655.50 --> + 0.5	10:53
<+szubaark>	Shorts ES @ 1247.50 «« paper »»
<@NihabaAshi>	Be back later
* NihabaAshi	is now known as NihabaAshi_away
<+szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1248.75 --> - 1.25 «« paper »»	10:57
	Shorts ES @ 1249.75 «« paper »»
<+startrader>	Shorts ES @ 1250.25	11:00
	Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1248.50 --> + 1.75	11:03
<+szubaark>	nice star, getting Short Way Up There
<+startrader>	Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1248.50 --> + 1.75
	ty, tested my patience.
<+szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1248.25 --> + 1.5 «« paper »»	11:06
	keeps bouncing from here
* szubaark	is now known as szubaark_away
<+startrader>	Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1247 --> + 3.25	11:08
<codehead>	oil getting pounded today	11:10
<+startrader>	oil keeps dropping
<@X>	#FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm
<+codehead>	135.225 QM just hit
<+startrader>	They can't lock the corn down today, might limit this oil from moving much lower today.	11:17
<+pat255>	why star?
	corn going higher?
	fail to c the reationship?	11:18
<+startrader>	energy play, trading oil ethanol spreads through corn.
<+pat255>	k...ty	11:19
<+startrader>	Once they lock corn down, longs will cover shorting oil. They feed on each other till it's unwound..
<+jsbach>	i have next ES resistance 64..	11:20
<+startrader>	A hedge fund just bought conagra's grain business, 144 elevators. People have no idea the way spot prices and control of the physical is dictating futures prices.	11:22
<+KN-SR>	humm, heading to 63.25
	will have a bullish day after all
<+startrader>	Just like when enron would create wash sales of electricity at delivery points to set electricity rates.
	They can regulate the exchanges all they want but price discovery occurs outside of the furtures market when you have those kind of participants.	11:23
	Controlling the physical, storage, transportation and delivery.	11:25
	Long ES @ 1254.25	11:34
<+anglo>	did you turn KN?
	your 57.25 has stopped prices all day....	11:35
<+KN-SR>	:)	11:40
	hey, i m not doing anyting :)
<+anglo>	ok bro	11:41
<+startrader>	Long ES @ 1253.25 -> Add	11:43
<+jsbach>	anyone use metastock?	11:49
<+silo>	Long ER2 @ 663.20 «« paper »»	12:08
<+KN-SR>	Shorts ES @ 1258.25	12:27
	s.l 1
<+silo>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 665.40 --> + 2.2 «« paper »»	12:32
<+anglo>	[11:22] <+KN-SR> humm, heading to 63.25	12:33
	[11:22] <+KN-SR> will have a bullish day after all
<+szubaark_away>	Shorts ES @ 1259.50 «« paper »»	12:37
* szubaark_away	is now known as szubaark	12:40
<+szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1259.50 --> 0 «« paper »»	12:41
<+startrader>	Exited all ES Long @ 1258.25 --> + 9	12:44
<+szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1256.50 «« paper »»	12:50
	exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1256.50 «« paper »»	12:57
	Exited all Long ES at 1256.50 --> 0 «« paper »»	13:01
	Buys ES @ 1258 «« paper »»	13:02
	exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1258 «« paper »»	13:05
	Exited all Long ES at 1259.25 --> + 1.25 «« paper »»	13:07
<@X>	#FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm	13:13
<werner>	hi all	13:22
<+szubaark>	hi werner
<+werner>	hi szu
* NihabaAshi_away	is now known as NihabaAshi	13:31
<+codehead>	hm, when ER was hitting 666, mentioned to a friend that it always seemed to stall there in the past	13:32
	woulda been nice short
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 661.40 -> small size	13:34
	1 only because its my first trade since being back and I'm still analyzing all the price action I missed while gone
<+startrader>	Long ES @ 1254.50	13:36
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 660.60 --> - 0.8	13:37
	weak support area ER2	13:39
<+szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1252 «« paper »»
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 659.80 -> small size
	intuition	13:40
	price action still in the weak support area
	Thus, can easily bounce against me.
<+szubaark>	ES fighting unchanged for the Day	13:41
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 660.60 --> - 0.8	13:42
<+szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1250.75 --> - 1.25 «« paper »»	13:43
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 660.90 -> medium size
<+szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1252.50 «« paper »»
	got shaken out	13:44
<@NihabaAshi>	same here...got shaken out of that first Long position this afternoon
	intuition Short that followed was ok but I held it too long
	Long re-entry was picture perfect	13:45
<+szubaark>	Tape is real jumpy today.. when im ready to enter, Price is 2-3 points away before i click LOL
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited 3/4 ER2 Long @ 662.00 --> + 1.1	13:46
<+szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1254 --> + 1.5 «« paper »»	13:47
	will wait for Price to settle down again, its too fast for me	13:48
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 662.20 --> + 1.3
<+rickf>	short es 1253.25 paper
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 661.80 -> small size	13:51
	2 only
	missed WRB pt1 exit @ 660.70	13:53
	Covered ER2 Short @ 661.70 --> + 0.1	13:54
<+szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1253 «« paper »»	13:55
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<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 662.10 -> small size	13:56
	intuition
	2 only
<+szubaark>	exit stop set ES @ 1251 «« paper »»	13:57
	Exited all Long ES at 1251 --> - 2 «« paper »»	13:58
<+rickf>	exit 1/2 es 1251 +2.25 paper	13:59
	h4
<+szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1250.75 «« paper »»
<+rickf>	exit moved to 1253 (b/e +1 tick)	14:00
	er stop
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 661.80 --> + 0.3	14:03
	trades becoming more of a struggle...
	Will reduce position size down to 1 contract
<+szubaark>	Contracting Volatility, expecting spike soon
* +rickf	stopped remainder es 1253 +.25 paper	14:04
<+szubaark>	Volatility spike
<+silo>	szu is starting to sound like a parrot :)	14:05
<+rickf>	lol
<+silo>	niha's parrot lol
	:P
<+szubaark>	exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1250.75 «« paper »»
<+rickf>	short es 1253 paper	14:07
<+szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1254 --> + 3.25 «« paper »»
<+silo>	http://images1.comstock.com/Imagewarehou se/PR/SITECS/NLWMCompingVersions/0027000 /27000-27499/PR27227.jpg	14:08
	that's szu :)
<+rickf>	exit es 1255 -2 paper	14:10
	short es 1253.50 paper sm sz	14:25
<+startrader>	That wasn't nice but I can't stop laughing, parot.	14:26
	This room needs a little levity.
	Perfect timing for upside breakout on the hourly close with oil going down and closing.	14:28
<+rickf>	exit es 1255.50 -2 paper	14:30
<+startrader>	10 handles up would be great right about now.
<+szubaark>	its trying	14:31
<+startrader>	next really good short around 66-67, gotta run out for a bit wish I could watch this.	14:32
<@NihabaAshi>	weak resistance area ER2	14:34
<+rickf>	long es 1256.50 paper	14:35
	exit 1/2 es 1259.50 +3 paper	14:36
<+silo>	Long ER2 @ 688.20 «« paper »»
<+rickf>	h4
	exit es remainder 50 +3.25 paper
<+silo>	damn i just realized i typed the price wrong hehe	14:37
<+szubaark>	nice rick
<+rickf>	ty
	bigger pop than i expected	14:38
<+szubaark>	taking nosedive here at Highs..m
<+rickf>	long es 1258.50 paper	14:39
	exit es 58.25 paper -.25
	miscue :(	14:40
<+szubaark>	20minutes to 3pm :)
<+rickf>	long es 1258,.25 paper
<+werner>	wow bulls ....
<+szubaark>	they gave Oil a beating today	14:41
<+rickf>	exit es 1260.25 paper +2
<+werner>	nice rickf	14:42
<+rickf>	tx werner
	long es 1262.25 paper	14:46
<+silo>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 670.20 --> - 18 «« paper »»
	that's +2 profit	14:47
	typed the price wrong
<+rickf>	exit 1/2 es 1264.25 +2 paper
	h4
	exit remainder es 1264,25 +2 paper	14:48
	base hits
	short es 1263.25 paper	14:51
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 671.40 -> small size	14:53
	1 only	14:54
	intuition
<+szubaark>	Shorts ES @ 1264.25 «« paper »»	14:55
	exit stop set ES @ 1266 «« paper »»
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 671.60 --> + 0.2
	:(
	I'm done for the day.	14:56
	Take care all and see all tomorrow.
<+rickf>	cya
<peterpanboy>	cya
* NihabaAshi	is now known as NihabaAshi_away	14:57
<+szubaark>	exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1264.25 «« paper »»
<+peterpanboy>	see everybody tomorrow
<+szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1264.25 --> 0 «« paper »»	14:58
<+silo>	676.8 is a huge resistance	14:59
<+szubaark>	slow,controlled, upmove, tick for tick
<+rickf>	exit es 1266 -2.75 paper	15:00
<+silo>	you're short szu?
<+szubaark>	Flat now.. not gonna fight their Super Computers	15:01
<+rickf>	sheesh the er2 chart this afternoon is gorgeous....gentle bouncing up and up and up...	15:04
<+szubaark>	wonder if they gonna run this til close	15:11
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* rep1acs	is now known as rep1acs2	15:31
<+KN-SR>	:)	15:41
	so we have a bullish day today	15:42
	well, then, the big crash tomorrow :)...i need to cash in my interest rate trade
<+anglo>	may crash tonigt too	15:43
<+KN-SR>	dont think so, it will be completley surprising :)	15:44
	mostlikely 10:00 --- 1:30
	we will see
	and there is absolutely no reason why es should cross 1300	15:45
	Shorts ES @ 1271.25	15:47
	sm
	s.l. 75.25
	see u al all tomorrow
	take care and good trading	15:48
<+szubaark>	bye KN
<palmer>	KN u holding that overnight
<+KN-SR>	yes
	its just 2 contracts
	wont hurt me if it hits my stoploss	15:49
	i just dont see any reason why it shouldnt get bounced in the next res
	anyway , we will see
	take care all
<+rickf>	see you all tomorrow --- done for the day	15:59
<+werner>	lol er2 +4%	16:14
	gn all	16:15
<startrader>	Covered all ES Short @ 1266 --> + 287.75	16:35
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