#FuturesTrades June 26th Thursday 2008 Trade Log

Today's Observation: I'm still testing Infinity Futures simulator called Infinity AT until June 30th Monday to determine if the software and broker will become one of my backup brokers to replace a backup broker I'm no longer satisfy with.

Also, the simulator profits shown above for today will not be computed into the monthly and yearly real money results.

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	Session Start: Thu Jun 26 09:31:46 2008Session Ident: #futurestrades
* Now	talking in #futurestrades	09:31
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<SR>	Long ER2 @ 706.2
	add
<tzar>	Shorts NQ @ 1904.50
<+tzar>	Covered all NQ Short @ 1899.50 --> + 5	09:32
<+SR>	Long ER2 @ 705.2
	add
<Mauro>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 705.5 --> + 2.7
<PapaJon>	nice trade mauro	09:33
<+Mauro>	ty PapaJon
<+SR>	Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 707.8 --> + 2.6	09:35
<szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1309.75 «« paper »»	09:36
<+tzar>	gm NihabaAshi
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 708.00 -> small size «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<silo>	Long ER2 @ 707.40 «« paper »»
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 707.00 --> - 1 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	09:37
<+SR>	stop 705.30
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 707.80 -> medium size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	09:38
<+SR>	Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 707.3 --> + 2.1
	Exited ER2 Long @ 707.3 --> + 2.1
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 707.3
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 706.80 --> - 1 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
	Shorts ER2 @ 706.80 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	09:39
<+silo>	Exited ER2 Long @ 706.30 --> - 1.1 «« paper »»
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 706.30 «« paper »»
<+SR>	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 706.20 --> + 1.1	09:40
	stop 708.30
<+silo>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 706.80 --> - 0.5 «« paper »»	09:41
<+SR>	Shorts ER2 @ 706.7
	no
	Covered ER2 Short @ 706.7 --> 0
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 706.7
<+szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1307.50 --> - 2.25 «« paper »»
	Shorts ES @ 1307.50 «« paper »»	09:42
<anglo>	gm all
<+SR>	Exited ER2 Long @ 706.2 --> - 0.5
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 706.2
<ripsboy>	gm all...
<+tzar>	gm
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered 2/3 ER2 Short @ 706.00 --> + 0.8 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
	Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 706.40 --> + 0.4 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	09:43
<+Mauro>	Shorts ER2 @ 706.6	09:44
<+szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1309.50 --> - 2 «« paper »»	09:46
	Buys ES @ 1309.50 «« paper »»
<+tzar>	morning szu
<+szubaark>	gm to Chop
<+tzar>	yea:(
<Spartan>	Shorts ER2 @ 1308.25 «« paper »»	09:47
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 705.90 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	09:48
<+Spartan>	oops meant es
	Covered all ER2 Short @ 1308.25 --> 0 «« paper »»
	Shorts ES @ 1308.25 «« paper »»	09:49
<Mauro2>	.	09:50
<@NihabaAshi>	ER2 resisteng	09:51
	Covered ER2 Short @ 706.90 --> - 1 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	09:52
<+tzar>	everything resisting except NQ
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 707.00 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<+tzar>	broke 1900
<+silo>	man so hard to trade
<+tzar>	but always crwaling back up
<+SR>	Shorts ER2 @ 707.2	09:53
	add
<+tzar>	NQ going down finally
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 706.00 --> - 1 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
	1 point range...up and down	09:54
<+silo>	i know
	this is so freaking hard
	;\
<szubaark>	its going down, but its not pretty LOL
<+tzar>	haha
<+SR>	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 706.2 --> + 1	09:55
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 706.30 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»
	Can't beat them...join the range trading
<+Spartan>	Covered all ES Short @ 1307 --> + 1.25 «« paper »»
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 706.90 --> + 0.6 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<+SR>	stop 708.7
<+Mauro2>	Shorts ER2 @ 707.2
<+Spartan>	geez, that moved quick
<+tzar>	and NQ all teh way back up
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 707.10 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	09:56
<Widgetman>	short in control it seems
<+tzar>	this is crazy	09:57
<+szubaark>	Creeping lower, tick by tick
<+tzar>	im going to stay away
	nq above 1900
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 707.60 --> - 0.5 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
	I've discovered a little problem with Infinity AT on Windows Vista Ultimate versus Windows XP Pro	09:58
	On Vista Ultimate...it requires 2 clicks on the Infinity AT window to make it the key active window.	09:59
<+Spartan>	Shorts ES @ 1307.75 «« paper »»
<@NihabaAshi>	May not sound like an issue at first but here's the scenario...
	Lets pretend you have another window open (realtime charting, spreadsheet or whatever)...	10:00
<+Spartan>	Covered all ES Short @ 1309 --> - 1.25 «« paper »»
<@NihabaAshi>	If you want to take a "quick or fast" trade action and forget it requires two clicks...
	The first time you click the Buy or Sell or Reverse or Flatten position button...
	Nothing happens
<+Mauro2>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 708 --> - 0.8	10:01
<+tzar>	NihabaAshi, yes even on XP sometimes it requires 2 clicks... it happend to me 2 times where once it screwed me ( had a postion and didnt get out) and didnt get intoa postion..
<@NihabaAshi>	Thus, you lose valuable ticks until a few seconds later you realize you need to click the button again.
	Thus, problem does NOT exist on XP Pro
<+SR>	Shorts ER2 @ 707.8	10:02
	no
	Shorts ER2 @ 708.7
<@NihabaAshi>	tzar...you said XP...XP Home or XP Pro ???
<Splurge>	is it me or is the market abso;ute ****atm
<+SR>	stop 709.6
<+tzar>	XP pro	10:03
<@NihabaAshi>	Hmmm...ok...thanks.
<+tzar>	service pack 3
	the problem comes and goes
<@NihabaAshi>	Exactly...comes and goes
<+tzar>	but i already got into the habbit clicking like 10 times on the window before i press buy or sell
	hang on ill ask my tech support guy on MSN	10:04
<@NihabaAshi>	I mentioned it to Infinity and they said I'm the first that mentioned it to them or the first they've heard about it.
	Their reply, make sure the Infinity AT window is active :(
	My solution is to put Infinity AT on a seperate computer with nothing else open on it.	10:05
	It's a solution I don't want but will "temporary" explore.
<+SR>	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 705.8 --> + 2.9	10:06
<@NihabaAshi>	I've missed 3 position reversal opportunities in which I should have gotten a -0.10 to -0.4 tick loss instead of a -1 point loss via that double or multiple click requirement to make the Infinity AT window active :(	10:07
<+Spartan>	Shorts ES @ 1306.50 «« paper »»
<+tzar>	NihabaAshi
<+Mauro2>	Shorts ER2 @ 707.4	10:08
<+tzar>	got some solution
<@NihabaAshi>	I have an "old" active window software that keeps any designated window the ACTIVE window but it doesn't work on Vista nor Pro	10:09
<+tzar>	Patrick says (10:08 AM):
	there is an option in the properties called auto focus which is supposed to make the window active once you put you mouse over it without clicking
<@NihabaAshi>	Thanks tzar...let me try to set that up right now.
<+tzar>	let me know if it works, i will try it as well
	gm KN-ES	10:10
<@NihabaAshi>	Are you talking about Windows properties or the Infinity AT properties ???
<+tzar>	one sec
	im asking just that
<KN-ES>	gm tzar
<+KN-ES>	gm NihabaAshi
<@NihabaAshi>	Hi KN
<+tzar>	right click on the heading of the scoreboard and select properties	10:11
	Patrick says (10:11 AM):
	AT
	..its a checkbox
	NihabaAshi it works..
	acutaly it stops working after a few seconds	10:12
<+Mauro2>	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 706.5 --> + 0.9
<+KN-ES>	Long ES @ 1305.75	10:13
<@NihabaAshi>	I'm online right now trying to find that software to keep a window active eventhough I may be working in another window
<+KN-ES>	s.l. 1	10:14
	brb	10:15
<+tzar>	the autofouc works good	10:16
<@NihabaAshi>	autofouc ?	10:17
<+tzar>	autofocus
<+Mauro2>	Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 705.4 --> + 2
<+szubaark>	Brutal Price Action	10:18
<ItalianSharp>	tzar, i hate the autofocus to be honest	10:19
<+ItalianSharp>	it makes my eyes hurt
	i prefer to use the "center" button
	manually
	especially if you have to move orders manually over the DOM, autofocus makes it real difficult	10:20
<@NihabaAshi>	Hmmm...not sure what you guys are talking about in ET considering I ONLY have a Center button but no Autofocus button	10:21
	Meant AT not ET
<+Spartan>	Covered all ES Short @ 1306.50 --> 0 «« paper »»
<+ItalianSharp>	Niha, it's not an Autofocus button...
<+Spartan>	big bar ib er2
<+ItalianSharp>	it's a little box you can check
	it's not a button you press
<+Spartan>	Long ES @ 1306.75 «« paper »»	10:22
<@NihabaAshi>	Only boxes i can check outside the DOM is in the Properties and that itself doesn't have a Autofocus box for checking or unchecking
<+tzar>	its not dome options	10:23
<+ItalianSharp>	i am surprised you dont have it...regardless of that, i am sure you wouldnt like it anyways
<@NihabaAshi>	I do have a box called "Auto Detect Actions" that's checked
<+ItalianSharp>	Sounds like you have a personalized version of Infinity AT :)
<+tzar>	its the platform ( where you choose what instruments you want to trade)	10:24
	main box
<@NihabaAshi>	Yeah...because someone else I'm talking to in pm has describe some stuff I have and I've described some stuff he doesn't have :(
	Possible different working versions
<+ItalianSharp>	yes, sounds like it	10:25
<@NihabaAshi>	I'm still online looking for a third party software to keep the Infinity AT window or any other window active at my discretion	10:26
<startrader>	Long NQ @ 1895.75
<pat255>	N what i heard that AT infinity ..always blame the trader .
<+tzar>	gm startrader	10:27
<+pat255>	so be careful ..just my 2c..
<@NihabaAshi>	They better not blame me...I know too many retail and institutional traders to allow such :)
<+pat255>	i dont mean to take u away from them ..
<+startrader>	gm
<@NihabaAshi>	I can get the word out quickly if someone tried that crap with me.
<+pat255>	yes...that is the only way ..	10:28
	gm star
<+startrader>	Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1901.25 --> + 5.5	10:29
<@NihabaAshi>	I love the Infinity AT program...just need to fix this one major hiccup with the inactive/active window situation.
<+ripsboy>	NIha, been using AT for 2 years with virtually no problems.
<+ItalianSharp>	yes, same with me...awesome and very reliable platform	10:30
<+startrader>	Exited Remainder NQ Long @ 1897 --> + 1.25
<+SR>	1308.20 add
<@NihabaAshi>	ripsboy...You don't have the same situation that tzar and I see with requiring a multiple click to make the AT window active for trading so that a trade can be executed ???
<+ripsboy>	No, I dont have that problem.	10:31
<@NihabaAshi>	Is AT on a seperate computer all by itself with no other windows open and what Windows system are you using ???
<+startrader>	Long NQ @ 1896	10:32
<@NihabaAshi>	I've already tried AT on a separate computer...
<+ripsboy>	Using Vista home...on the same computer with charts .
<@NihabaAshi>	No problems whatsoever in keeping the window active for trading
	Ok...thanks.	10:33
<+ripsboy>	No problems so far.
<rep1acs>	ripsboy how do u know ur open P&L if u scale out of ur position?	10:36
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<+rep1acs>	without double clicking on the contract in the scoreboard?
<+startrader>	Exited all NQ Long @ 1893 --> - 3	10:37
<+Spartan>	Exited all ES Long @ 1304.75 --> - 2 «« paper »»
<+SR>	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 706.2 --> + 2.5	10:38
<+ripsboy>	I only watch the dom...	10:39
<+startrader>	Long NQ @ 1889.75
<+szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1304.50 --> - 5 «« paper »»
	Shorts ES @ 1304.50 «« paper »»
<+Spartan>	Shorts ES @ 1304.50 «« paper »»	10:40
<+SR>	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 705.2 --> + 3.5	10:43
<+startrader>	Anyone have the vix?	10:45
<+Widgetman>	I show 22.7x here on IB screen	10:46
	that is CBOE Index
<+SR>	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 704.2 --> + 4.5
<+Widgetman>	not sure if it is what ya want start
<+startrader>	Long NQ @ 1987 -> Add	10:47
<+SR>	2 left
<+Widgetman>	the old Vix is hi time to buy addage ?	10:48
	hehe
* codehead_afk	is now known as codehead
<+startrader>	Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1991.25 --> + 4.25	10:51
<+Widgetman>	how much of a stop do you use on NQ start if ya don't mind me asking
	I am trying to figure NQ cycles out
<+Spartan>	I use about a 2.5-3.5 stop	10:52
<+Widgetman>	thx
	I think 5 max is ok
	lookin at cycles I see
	waves look to be 3.5-4.5	10:53
	on moves
<+startrader>	It's like poker, how many chip are in the pot relative to the hand you are holding.
<+Widgetman>	lol
<+Spartan>	Covered all ES Short @ 1301.50 --> + 3 «« paper »»
<+SR>	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 703 --> + 5.7	10:55
<+startrader>	Exited Remainder NQ Long @ 1986 --> + 96.25	10:58
	1886
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 701.50 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	10:59
	Missed 702.00 due to the double click requirement to make the AT window active so that I can place a trade	11:00
	Still online looking for a suitable third party software as a Active Window Mouse Over activity
<+startrader>	Long NQ @ 1882.25	11:01
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 701.20 --> + 0.3 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<+rep1acs>	Niha have u tried the autofocus function?	11:02
<+Spartan>	Long ER2 @ 701 «« paper »»	11:03
<@NihabaAshi>	I don't have a AutoFocus function	11:04
	I have other Auto functions but nothing called AutoFocus
<+szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1300 --> + 4.5 «« paper »»	11:06
<+Spartan>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 702 --> + 1 «« paper »»
<+rep1acs>	Nih, click on properties (the button with the label "P") u should see the Auto-Focus check box under the General tab window	11:07
<@NihabaAshi>	rep1acs...the live version is different from the simulator version in some of the properties settings.	11:08
<+startrader>	Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1884.50 --> + 2.25
<@NihabaAshi>	Reason why I don't have a "AutoFocus" box for checking or unchecking in the General tab area
<+rep1acs>	oh ok..didnt know that	11:09
<@NihabaAshi>	What version is your live version ???
<+rep1acs>	4.3.6
<@NihabaAshi>	Yep...that's why I have different stuff than you :(	11:10
	I'm using a 2.2
<pdays>	Long YM @ 11600
<@NihabaAshi>	A online pal with a live version is 4.0 something
<+KN-ES>	if i m not wrong TrnasctAT and InfinityAT should be the same	11:11
<@NihabaAshi>	They both give you the "option" if you want to update to a higher version. Thus, its not auto updated without your permission upon booting up the program...correct ???	11:12
<+tzar>	startrader you still holding that long?
<+startrader>	just 1, thought i posted.	11:13
<@NihabaAshi>	I remember one broker (Zap Futures) did an auto update IN THE MIDDLE of a trade (without my permission) that than rebooted my computer :( :( :(
<+rep1acs>	ouch	11:14
<@NihabaAshi>	However, they did fix that problem after hundreds of complaints
	Zap is now called RJO
<+pdays>	Long YM @ 11580 -> Add
<@NihabaAshi>	I'm calling AT right now to find out about the difference in the menues from the simulator in comparison to the live version...	11:16
	Hopefully they say they sent me the wrong simulator version :)
<+tzar>	niha what version do you got?
	4.3.6 ?
<@NihabaAshi>	2.2
<+tzar>	lol
	that might explain it
<+pdays>	Exited 1/2 YM Long @ 11596 --> + 16
<+startrader>	may get another 6 points up here if oil keeps breaking. nq	11:17
<@NihabaAshi>	In the meantime, I found a third party Mouse Over software that controls the active windows...tested ok on my personal computer that's not for trading.	11:18
	Haven't installed in on my business systems until I give it a closer look
	It's called Focus Genie 2.1	11:19
<silo>	niha
<+silo>	i am testing openEcry again
<@NihabaAshi>	As soon as my mouse goes over spreadsheet...the window becomes active without me clicking on anything
<+silo>	it has a reverse order button
	that gets you out of a trade and reverses the order	11:20
<+startrader>	Exited Remainder NQ Long @ 1980.75 --> + 98.5
<@NihabaAshi>	:)
<+startrader>	do
<+pdays>	Exited all YM Long @ 11576 --> - 24
<Trader>	forgot that i had a short from yesterday. close ER2 @ 700.5 + 12
<+startrader>	Long NQ @ 1881.50	11:23
<@NihabaAshi>	Just got off the phone with AT (Josh Harris always helpful via the 5x I've called them and no waiting time)...	11:24
	Yeah...the version I have does not have the "AutoFocus" setup that's available in the live version to resolve the need to first click on the DOM window to make it active for trading on the second click.	11:25
	I also found out that Infinity AT can be up and running on two computers AT THE SAME TIME from the same account as long as it is via the same IP address	11:26
<+silo>	openEcry can do all that i think
	reverse order, stay on top, multi computers	11:27
<@NihabaAshi>	Extremely useful considering my family situation here at home with the kids and me moving from room to room while trading on some trading days.
<+silo>	and looks prettier :)
	and you can choose to display your p/l on your dom in pts made, OR in dollars made
	or to not display it at all so it doesn't affect your decision making process	11:28
<@NihabaAshi>	Yeah...I have that with my other brokers too :)
<+silo>	you should try it though... this is most likely the one i will be joining
	when i go live
	and it has strategy orders so you can set it to trail, limi, stop all your orders ahead of time	11:29
	and have it perform the tasks automatically
<@NihabaAshi>	silo...here's a question that I have about OpenEcry...	11:30
	Does it show the individual contracts executed in a size greater than 1 contract ???
	For example...	11:31
	a 5 contract trade
<+silo>	like.. if your standard size trade is 5 contracts
<@NihabaAshi>	701.00, 701.10, 701.00, 701.10 and 700.00
<+silo>	?	11:32
<+startrader>	Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1986.25 --> + 104.75
<@NihabaAshi>	Photon (prior program I tested) would only show the trade executed at an Avg. Price
<+startrader>	why do i keep doing that?
<@NihabaAshi>	To see the individual contracts...I would have to go to the website and view the actual account and download the info.	11:33
	:(
<+silo>	openEcry averages it as well i think
<@NihabaAshi>	Some brokers won't even show the average...	11:34
<+silo>	well
<@NihabaAshi>	They would only show the last contract execution price
<+silo>	you can see each individual trade
	time, price
<+Spartan>	Shorts ER2 @ 701 «« paper »»	11:35
<+silo>	but not on the dom
	in the main window
* ItalianSharp	is now known as ItalianSharp_away
<+silo>	you can see where each contract is in at what price
<@NihabaAshi>	Yeah...I'm talking about the main window too
	Anyways...thanks for the info.	11:36
	I'll let you knwo when I test OpenEcry
<+silo>	check out their website
	the platform is just amazing
	so pretty and straightforward
	and at the same time, so versatile
<@NihabaAshi>	Will be closing one of my accounts next week to make room for the new backup broker.
<+silo>	try it out.... demo, and let me know what yo uthink	11:37
	and check out their web site
	it has videos that show you each part of their platform
	and what it is capable of
<@NihabaAshi>	Today is my last day on Infinity...will make room for OpenEcry tomorrow
<+silo>	it even has a function to print out your daily performance via text, pdf, or printer... with all the stats... trades. account info
<+pat255>	N testing diff brokers ?	11:38
<@NihabaAshi>	No
<+startrader>	openecry has been stable since march, no outages at all since a major upgrade.
<+silo>	and you can link different accounts together... and trade them all as if you're trading one account	11:39
	and you can pre-set all the contract sizes for each account...
	for example... smaller account with only 1 contract
	big account with 5 contracts
	medium account with 2 contracts
	and when yo utrade .... it will factor in all that
<@NihabaAshi>	silo...I know what they offer.	11:40
<+silo>	yeah the had problems before when they first opened business... they figured out it was a problem due to firewalls
<+startrader>	Call and get a good commission from Rick himself before the deal closes if you are interested.
<@NihabaAshi>	What I'm interested is in the problems I discover via my own personal trading style.
<+silo>	startrader: even if my size is small?
	like 1-2 contracts?
<+startrader>	He used to take calls, he used to answer the phone. Have a feeling not anymore. He will take a call I am sure.	11:41
<+silo>	but the better offers are probably only for people that trade bigger size i'm sure
	:)
<+startrader>	You dcan always do better than the posted rates.	11:42
<+silo>	price is negotiable ;0
	i like that
	ahah
<@NihabaAshi>	You can always negotiate the rates when your frequency of trading changes.
<+startrader>	just like a prostitute. hope I offend no one with that!	11:43
<+Spartan>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 702 --> - 1 «« paper »»	11:44
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 701.90 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»
	Exited all ER2 Long @ 702.20 --> + 0.3 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	11:45
<+KN-ES>	702.4 add
	nop
	short 702.4 er
<@NihabaAshi>	Auto trail got hit before I could execute the exit at a WRB :(	11:46
<+KN-ES>	s.l .5
<@NihabaAshi>	That's a problem I've discover when doing auto trade mangement after entries in ALL the programs I've tested...
<+startrader>	Exited Remainder NQ Long @ 1987.50 --> + 106
<+silo>	and what's the problem?
<+startrader>	i quit tiping.
<@NihabaAshi>	My WRB exits has priority and I need to be more careful witht he auto exits.	11:47
<+silo>	:P
	why nto set the trailing stop to breakeven stop
	and just exit at wrb manually
<@NihabaAshi>	Problem still remains
	That's the point...manual WRB exit	11:48
<+silo>	i'm just saying by setting trailing stop to breakeven stop.... it will occur at least a little less
<@NihabaAshi>	Auto exit is faster than my manual exit :(
<+silo>	giving you more chances to do the manual exit
<@NihabaAshi>	silo...it doesn't...I've tested 8 years of data awhile ago about such.
	It only causes less profits by dropping it down from 2 - 3 tick profit to breakeven	11:49
	Solution is the be better at the manual exits.
	That solution works extremely well when properly done
<+startrader>	Long NQ @ 1985.25	12:00
<+Spartan>	Long ER2 @ 702.1 «« paper »»
<+startrader>	Long NQ @ 1983.50 -> Add	12:03
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 702.00 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	12:06
<+Spartan>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 701.1 --> - 1 «« paper »»	12:07
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 701.20 --> + 0.8 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	12:08
<+startrader>	Exited all NQ Long @ 1981.50 --> - 5.75
* Spartan	is now known as Spartan_Away
<Guest>	Long ER2 @ 701 «« paper »»	12:09
* ItalianSharp_away	is now known as ItalianSharp	12:11
<+Spartan_Away>	Long ES @ 1297 «« paper »»	12:17
	Exited all ES Long @ 1295.25 --> - 1.75 «« paper »»	12:29
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 699.80 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	12:30
<+startrader>	Long ES @ 1295.25	12:31
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 699.20 --> + 0.6 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	12:32
	Can't believe I'm even profitable on these simulators considering most of the time (exception was yesterday's FOMC trading and the trading the morning prior)...they've been profitable	12:34
	Flipping the coin right now :)
	Long ER2 @ 698.80 -> medium size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	12:35
	testing a "wider profit bracket" to see if I can better manage a WRB pt1 exit	12:36
<@X>	#FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm	12:39
<+szubaark>	Niha, you probobly dont realize it but its your Instinct, since you got so much experience. You just going thru the motions.	12:41
	Like an Experienced Fighter. (Roberto Duran)
<+Guest>	Long ER2 @ 698.2 -> Add «« paper »»	12:42
<+szubaark>	Buys ES @ 1294.25 «« paper »»	12:44
<+startrader>	I think the window dressing is about to begin today, that's what I am banking on.
<+Widgetman>	you long startrader ?
<+startrader>	long, yes.	12:45
<+Widgetman>	k
	thx
	I been gone
	was hungry
<+startrader>	looking to add at 91 handle.
<+Widgetman>	hehe
	k
	thx
	ES scares me	12:46
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 797.50 --> + 98.7 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
	Long ER2 @ 697.80 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	12:47
<SR_>	Covered ER2 Short @ 697.60 --> + 11.1
<@NihabaAshi>	sorry about the prior trade error post
	It was a -1.3
	Not sure how consideering the stop was at -1 point...maybe I accidently moved it when I was making a bracket adjustment	12:48
<+SR_>	Done for the day
	..
<+Widgetman>	nuttin but rug pulls all day
<+Guest>	Long ER2 @ 697.9 -> Add «« paper »»	12:49
<+SR_>	Shorts ER2 @ 697.90	12:50
	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 697.4 --> + 0.5
	Covered ER2 Short @ 697.80 --> + 0.1	12:51
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 697.80
<+startrader>	could be a peek a boo bottom coming up here. perfect time of day and month for this.	12:54
<+SR_>	Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 699 --> + 1.2	12:56
	Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 699.3 --> + 1.5	12:57
	stop 697.30	12:58
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited 3/4 ER2 Long @ 699.20 --> + 1.4 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	12:59
<+SR_>	Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 699.60 --> + 1.8
<+Spartan_Away>	Long ES @ 1294.75 «« paper »»	13:00
<+SR_>	Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 700.00 --> + 2.2
	stop 697.80	13:01
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 699.60 --> + 1.8 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	13:02
<+SR_>	Exited ER2 Long @ 699.80 --> + 2
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 699.80
	stop 700.80
	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 699.30 --> + 0.5	13:03
	Covered ER2 Short @ 699.60 --> + 0.2	13:04
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 699.60
	stop 698.80
	Long ER2 @ 699.20	13:06
	add
	Long ER2 @ 699.00	13:07
	stop 698.60
	Exited 3/4 ER2 Long @ 699.50 --> + 0.5	13:09
<+szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1295.75 --> + 1.5 «« paper »»	13:11
<+SR_>	Exited ER2 Long @ 699.60 --> + 0.6	13:13
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 699.60
<+szubaark>	Shorts ES @ 1295.50 «« paper »»
<+SR_>	stop 700.30
	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 699 --> + 0.6	13:14
	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 699.10 --> + 0.5
	Shorts ER2 @ 700.00	13:16
	add
	Covered 3/4 ER2 Short @ 699.40 --> + 0.6	13:17
	stop 700.30
<Andy>	Long ES @ 1295 «« paper »»	13:18
<+SR_>	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 699.00 --> + 1
	699.4 add	13:24
	large
<+Andy>	Exited all ES Long @ 1294.75 --> - 0.25 «« paper »»
<+SR_>	Covered 3/4 ER2 Short @ 698.40 --> + 1.6	13:25
<+szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1293.50 --> + 2 «« paper »»	13:26
<+Spartan_Away>	Exited all ES Long @ 1293 --> - 1.75 «« paper »»
<+SR_>	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 697.40 --> + 2.6
	697.50 fill
<+pat255>	vn sr	13:27
<+SR_>	thanks	13:29
<+szubaark>	Shorts ES @ 1291.75 «« paper »»	13:30
<+SR_>	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 696.8 --> + 3.2
<+Spartan_Away>	Long ES @ 1292.50 «« paper »»	13:32
<+SR_>	stop 699
<+startrader>	misseed my add in the 91 handle.	13:33
<+SR_>	697.80 add	13:40
<+pat255>	S sr?
<+SR_>	stop 699	13:41
	yes short, add
	Shorts ER2 @ 699	13:47
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 698.90 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<+SR_>	stop 699.40
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 697.90 --> - 1 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	13:50
<+SR_>	Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 697.90 --> + 1.1
	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 697 --> + 2
	no	13:51
	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 698.00 --> + 1
<@NihabaAshi>	Long ER2 @ 699.50 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	13:54
<+SR_>	Shorts ER2 @ 700.40	13:55
	stop 701.40
<+Guest>	Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 700.3 --> + 2.4 «« paper »»
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 699.90 --> + 0.4 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	13:56
<+SR_>	Covered 3/4 ER2 Short @ 699.90 --> + 0.5
<@NihabaAshi>	ER2 weak resistance area
	Shorts ER2 @ 700.00 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	13:57
<+SR_>	Covered ER2 Short @ 699.60 --> + 0.8	13:59
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 699.60
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 700.00 --> 0 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<+SR_>	stop 699.10
<+startrader>	Long NQ @ 1878	14:00
<+SR_>	Exited 3/4 ER2 Long @ 700.20 --> + 0.6
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 700.20 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<+SR_>	Exited ER2 Long @ 700.00 --> + 0.4
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 700.00
	stop 701.40
	Covered ER2 Short @ 699.70 --> + 0.3	14:01
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 699.70
	stop 699.10
	Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 700.20 --> + 0.5	14:03
	Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 700.50 --> + 0.8	14:04
<+Spartan_Away>	Long ES @ 1295.75 -> Add «« paper »»
<+SR_>	Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 701.20 --> + 1.5	14:05
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered ER2 Short @ 701.10 --> - 0.9 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 701.10 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<+SR_>	Exited ER2 Long @ 701.10 --> + 1.4
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 701.10
	Covered 3/4 ER2 Short @ 700.30 --> + 0.8	14:06
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited ER2 Long @ 700.10 --> - 1 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<+SR_>	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 700.60 --> + 0.5
<@NihabaAshi>	cruel :)
	Long ER2 @ 700.30 -> large size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	14:07
<+SR_>	Covered ER2 Short @ 700.40 --> + 0.7
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 700.40
	stop 699.40
	Exited 3/4 ER2 Long @ 700.90 --> + 0.5
<+Guest>	Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 701.9 --> + 0.9 «« paper »»	14:09
<+SR_>	Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 701.90 --> + 1.5
<+startrader>	Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1882.25 --> + 4.25
<@NihabaAshi>	Exited 2/3 ER2 Long @ 701.80 --> + 1.5 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<+SR_>	h 2
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<@NihabaAshi>	Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 701.40 --> + 1.1 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	14:10
<+SR_>	700.80 add	14:11
	stop 700.00
	hit and out	14:13
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 699.40 -> medium size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	14:14
<+SR_>	Long ER2 @ 698.90
	Exited 3/4 ER2 Long @ 699.50 --> + 0.6
	stop .5
<+startrader>	Long ES @ 1294 -> Add
<+SR_>	Exited ER2 Long @ 699.20 --> + 0.3	14:15
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 699.20
	stop .5
	hit and out
	nop
	now out
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 699.10 --> + 0.3 «« simulator Infinity AT »»	14:16
<+SR_>	Shorts ER2 @ 698.70
<@NihabaAshi>	Be right back...gotta get ready for the soccer game :)
<+SR_>	Covered 3/4 ER2 Short @ 698.20 --> + 0.5	14:17
	s.l .5
	slippage killing trades
<+szubaark>	u must be doing tons of contracts	14:18
<+SR_>	Covered ER2 Short @ 698.50 --> + 0.2
	Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 698.50
	s.l .5
	8 each time
<+ItalianSharp>	yeah, game starting in 25 minutes
	hopefully the russians havent run out of their magic dope	14:19
	:)
<+SR_>	Exited ER2 Long @ 698.50 --> 0
	Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 698.50
	s.l .5	14:20
<+Splurge>	well spanish team barely over 5ft tall so I wonder what sort of game it will be lol
<+SR_>	Covered 3/4 ER2 Short @ 698.00 --> + 0.5
	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 697.00 --> + 1.5	14:21
<+startrader>	indexes double bottom and oil dts?
<+SR_>	s.l 0
	h2
	last trade, have get ready for the match	14:22
<+Guest>	Long ER2 @ 697.1 «« paper »»
<@NihabaAshi>	Shorts ER2 @ 696.80 -> medium size «« simulator Infinity AT »»	14:23
<+Guest>	Long ER2 @ 696.3 -> Add «« paper »»	14:24
<+szubaark>	NQ looking pretty bad
<+SR_>	Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 696.50 --> + 2	14:25
<@NihabaAshi>	Covered all ER2 Short @ 696.60 --> + 0.2 «« simulator Infinity AT »»
<+SR_>	L1
	698.00 add	14:30
	stop 698.50
	Covered 3/4 ER2 Short @ 697.50 --> + 1	14:31
	hit and out	14:33
	now its time for soccer, everthing else in the world should be left behind.............:)
<+szubaark>	Covered all Short ES at 1293 --> - 1.25 «« paper »»	14:37
	Buys ES @ 1293 «« paper »»
<+ItalianSharp>	alright guys, gonna step away now and watch russia kick some spanish asses	14:42
	;(
	:))
	be back at halftime to see if markets are still here	14:43
	;)
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<+Guest>	Long ER2 @ 696.6 -> Add «« paper »»	14:49
	Long ER2 @ 695.8 -> Add «« paper »»
<+silo>	Long ER2 @ 697.30 «« paper »»	14:53
	Long ER2 @ 697.20 -> Add «« paper »»	14:58
<Trader>	NihabaAshi - somewhere in your site you mentioned that 40% of profits come from the STR. Is that still the case?
<+Guest>	maybe 695.6 swing low of day	14:59
<+silo>	ready to explode up soon	15:02
<+szubaark>	silo,secret indicator?	15:04
<+silo>	it's socery this time	15:05
<+Guest>	Exited all ER2 Long @ 699 --> + 5.1 «« paper »»	15:06
<+silo>	Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 699.10 --> + 1.9 «« paper »»
	Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 700.30 --> + 3 «« paper »»	15:18
<+szubaark>	nice silo	15:27
<+startrader>	We need the rally monkey to help out here.	15:31
<+szubaark>	im putting on my rally hat	15:40
* tzar3	is now known as tzar	15:47
<+startrader>	Long ES @ 1969
	nq
<+szubaark>	Looks like they will Tank this til close	15:52
<tzar>	GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAL	15:54
<+tzar>	spain 1: 0 russia	15:55
<KN_ES>	c.............p
<+KN_ES>	this is not that russia
	any one can see this match is going to spain	15:57
<+tzar>	:D
	giving up already KN_ES?
<+KN_ES>	fist eleven already did...............i m number 22	15:58
<+tzar>	haha
<+szubaark>	Exited all Long ES at 1284 --> - 9 «« paper »»	16:06
<+Andy>	:(
<+szubaark>	:((
	just a creeper trend, still cant trade those
	PLUS Choppy Opening is a bad combination for any account LOL	16:07
	took 3 back to back Whacks at opening
<+tzar>	spain 2: 0 russia	16:18
<+KN_ES>	it will be 4-0	16:22
<+tzar>	it will be 2:1	16:23
<+KN_ES>	need 1 more	16:26
	its like ES chart
	goal action
<+tzar>	lol
	yea
	KN_ES is better at predicting the future
<+KN_ES>	i m expert by watching soccer	16:27
	half of my life, i guess, is soccer
	Russia is done	16:28
<+tzar>	bight resistance at 0 on spain side	16:30
	big*
	KN_ES ... 1 tick shy	16:34
	almost 4 . 0
	3.0 its official	16:37
	spain 3: 0 russia game over	16:39
<+ItalianSharp>	damn, russians forgot to inject another dose of that stuff they used vs holland	16:41
<+tzar>	lol
<+ItalianSharp>	spain defininetly deserves to win this cup
	best soccer of all teams
<+tzar>	they really played well	16:42
<+ItalianSharp>	they really know how to move that ball around dont they?
<+tzar>	not as much as shooting.. that they did pretty weak. but getting the ball to the nnet
	yea
	they always pass
	dont hold the ball more then like 5 sec
	pass pass pass pass
	reallllly well
	they need a cannon shooter.. snjder type of guy	16:43
<+ItalianSharp>	yeah, torres is really good but cant score goals	16:44
	that guiza guys is a scoring machine	16:45
	always comes off the bench and scores goals
	hats off to spain's coach
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