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| Session Start: Mon Jun 11 08:15:25 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades |
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* subq | market profile charts for today | 09:15 |
| http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/06/1 1/er2_mp_rth.png |
| http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/06/1 1/es_mp_rth.png | 09:16 |
| http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/06/1 1/nq_mp_rth.png |
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<jperl> | This mornings ER2 VWAP pivots shown here..... | 09:26 |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-06-11/JP ERL_011.png |
<PapaJon_afk> | gm all | 09:27 |
* PapaJon_afk | is now known as PapaJon |
<jperl> | overnight low @839.20, overnight high @ 843.40 |
<base> | gm all |
<pat255> | gm all.. | 09:35 |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1521.75 | 09:41 |
| Shorts ES @ 1522.75 -> Add | 09:43 |
<szubaark> | Shorts ES @ 1522.25 «« paper »» | 09:44 |
<eminitrader> | Covered all ES Short @ 1524.25 --> - 4 | 09:47 |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1525.50 --> - 3.25 «« paper »» | 09:48 |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1524.75 | 09:53 |
<szubaark> | Shorts ES @ 1524 «« paper »» | 09:55 |
<eminitrader> | 1526 is the first fib level from the the start of the huge downmove to the lows | 09:56 |
| prolly see some chop in this area ...next fib level is 1530.50 | 09:57 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 842.70 -> small size | 09:58 |
| 2 contracts only |
| I'm only looking for 842.00 on this trade. | 09:59 |
<eminitrader> | mine is 10 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 841.60 --> + 1.1 | 10:01 |
| Caught a WRB pt1 instead of my initial profit target goal. |
<eminitrader> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1522.75 --> + 2 | 10:03 |
| damn partial fill on the half | 10:04 |
<jperl> | ER@ @ VWAP 840.40 |
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<eminitrader> | Covered ES Short @ 1512.75 --> + 12 | 10:12 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1512.75 |
| oops |
| Covered ES Short @ 1521.75 --> - 9 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1521.75 |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1521.50 --> + 2.5 «« paper »» | 10:13 |
<intowin> | Long ES @ 1521.50 |
| covered es @ 1520.50 -1 | 10:16 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 838.10 -> large size | 10:21 |
| ER2 should have bounced by now... | 10:23 |
| I'm preparing to dump if needed. |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1519.75 -> Add | 10:24 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 837.70 --> - 0.4 |
| Long ER2 @ 837.90 -> large size | 10:25 |
| Trying one more time. |
<jperl> | ER2 peak volume now 838.30 | 10:26 |
| ER2 pausing at peak volume | 10:29 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 837.60 -> Add | 10:30 |
<jperl> | would like to see a move here back up to VWAP @ 839.85 | 10:31 |
<RussellDaytrade> | me three |
<NihabaAshi> | :( | 10:32 |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 837.30 --> - 0.9 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 837.00 -> large size |
| Normal large size short position | 10:33 |
<intowin> | short es 1519.75 | 10:34 |
<RussellDaytrade> | er lagging es in here, may do catch-up | 10:35 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 837.40 --> - 0.4 | 10:37 |
| I'm getting hit nickled and dimed here... | 10:38 |
<eminitrader> | be back .. |
<NihabaAshi> | Something has to give for me soon :) |
| Long ER2 @ 837.30 -> large size | 10:39 |
<szubaark> | we are due for a Volatility spike soon, but which way? :)) | 10:41 |
<jperl> | peak volume now 837.90 |
| Friday VWAP 837.88 | 10:42 |
| 1 week VWAP 838.41 |
| Need some hefty buying volume to get through these | 10:43 |
<NihabaAshi> | ER2 volatility declining fast... |
| I'm expecting a volatility spike here soon. |
| Hopefully, in the direction of my trade. |
| 837.70 is a WRB pt1 as a shallow WRB :( | 10:44 |
| Spike downwards | 10:45 |
| Long ER2 @ 836.90 -> Add |
<szubaark> | Buys ES @ 1520.50 «« paper »» | 10:46 |
<NihabaAshi> | Geesh :( | 10:49 |
| Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 837.70 --> + 0.8 | 10:50 |
<RussellDaytrade> | I have an up t of 840 with about 3-5 minutes remaing, sure would enjoy if it ramps up 2 bucks in a few minutes, helps to validate my work. :) | 10:51 |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1521.25 --> + 1.5 | 10:52 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 837.70 --> + 0.4 |
<eminitrader> | Exited ES Long @ 1521.25 --> - 0.5 | 10:53 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1521.25 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 837.80 -> medium size | 10:54 |
<RussellDaytrade> | feels like its firming from underneath in here |
<szubaark> | exit stop set ES @ 1520.50 «« paper »» | 10:55 |
<NihabaAshi> | Changing my game plan a little...I'm no longer going after WRB targets. |
| Will use a none WRB s/r zone as a target. | 10:56 |
<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1521.50 --> + 1 «« paper »» |
<NihabaAshi> | Come on...a few more ticks to the upside. | 10:57 |
<jperl> | VWAP 838.13 |
| 839.13 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 838.80 --> + 1 | 10:58 |
<RussellDaytrade> | er has yet to embark into an accelertion phase...may be indicative of more up yet to unfold |
<jperl> | ER2 @ VWAP finally | 11:00 |
<RussellDaytrade> | closing long on scale |
<NihabaAshi> | That gets me profitable for the day...enough to buy Sushi for lunch. |
<intowin> | covered es short @ 1522.75 -3 |
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<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1522.25 -> Add | 11:01 |
<NihabaAshi> | Be back later...going to take a long lunch break to eat and do some personal stuff. |
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<jperl> | I'm done for the morning....P/L here.... |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-06-11/JP ERL_012.png |
<RussellDaytrade> | all out, flat, didn't care for that acceleration, got within .5 of target, although a couple minutes late, have to se about that. :) | 11:02 |
<intowin> | shorts es @ 1522.00 one more try | 11:04 |
| covered es 1523.75 -1.75 | 11:27 |
<eminitrader> | Covered all ES Short @ 1523.75 --> - 4 |
| :(( |
<intowin> | yep |
<eminitrader> | looks like one of those days |
| Shorts ES @ 1523.75 | 11:40 |
| Covered all ES Short @ 1524.75 --> - 1 | 11:41 |
| that was superfast.. |
<intowin> | Long er 841.10 | 11:42 |
| trying long side : ) |
<Brutus> | 13:00 6-Month Bill Auction | 12:05 |
| and 3-Month Bill Auction | 12:06 |
<intowin> | stops r in heading to different computer bbl | 12:27 |
<Brutus> | Shorts ES @ 1527.27 «« paper »» | 12:49 |
| exit stop set ES @ 1529.75 «« paper »» | 12:52 |
<intowin> | sold er 844.10 + 3 that took care of my earlier blunders | 12:53 |
<RussellDaytrade> | that move just now tells me mkt has another day or two of upside | 12:56 |
<intowin> | prob new highs this week |
<RussellDaytrade> | new highs too far away pricewise, I actually expect new highs to be a failure | 12:57 |
<Littman> | this is time to go short on ER | 13:01 |
<Brutus> | Covered all ES Short @ 1527.75 --> - 0.48 «« paper »» |
| thats a BE trade |
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<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1531 | 13:19 |
| 2 only will add in increments | 13:20 |
<intowin> | pretty small pullbacks so far | 13:21 |
<eminitrader> | yep..daily trend is up... |
* codehead_afk | is now known as codehead | 13:22 |
<eminitrader> | mean the days trend so far |
<intowin> | Same page | 13:23 |
<eminitrader> | hey congrats ! nice comeback |
<intowin> | yep break even on the day. Now I hope to grab a little something | 13:24 |
<RussellDaytrade> | looks down in hwere | 13:38 |
| a grudgingly down move, I expect it to be, if I were to place a characterization on it | 13:39 |
<intowin> | Long ER 844.20 843.60 stop | 13:49 |
<eminitrader> | Covered all ES Short @ 1529 --> + 2 | 13:50 |
* NihabaAshi_away | is now known as NihabaAshi | 13:53 |
<NihabaAshi> | Nice run to the upside...anybody catch some good points on the way up ? | 13:54 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1528.75 |
<intowin> | I got 3 |
| ER |
<NihabaAshi> | Looks like I picked a bad time to go shopping for some home repair supplies. | 13:55 |
<intowin> | Stopped out ER 843.60 -.60 | 13:57 |
<RussellDaytrade> | closed short, flat | 13:58 |
| first short in a while, looks like it may accelerate into lower targets | 13:59 |
<eminitrader> | Exited ES Long @ 1528.75 --> 0 | 14:02 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1528.75 |
| Covered ES Short @ 1528.75 --> 0 | 14:06 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1528.75 |
| following the NQ here ... | 14:07 |
<intowin> | Long Er 844.10 | 14:08 |
* Fleneer | is now known as Desert_Flen | 14:09 |
<szubaark> | Shorts ES @ 1530 «« paper »» | 14:10 |
<eminitrader> | Exited 2/3 ES Long @ 1531 --> + 2.25 | 14:13 |
| Long ES @ 1528.75 -> Add | 14:15 |
<Littman> | wow |
<szubaark> | exit stop set ES @ 1531.50 «« paper »» | 14:16 |
<eminitrader> | reason i;m not selling here is that the trend is up today ...although its a good res area...chances r this uptrend may brek thru the res whichich i see upto 1536 .. | 14:19 |
| will sell if there is a change in the mrkt flow confirminf the downtrend at these levels...otherwise will stick to longs | 14:20 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 844.00 -> small size |
| 2 contracts only because I don't have a good feel for the price action after missing that upmove. |
<eminitrader> | mrkt flow says higher highs have a larger probability than lower lows |
<jperl> | ER2 keeps bouncing off the VWAP 1st STdDEv near 843.50 | 14:23 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 844.60 -> Add | 14:25 |
| total of 4 now. |
<RussellDaytrade> | this price structure may begin to break down | 14:27 |
<jperl> | common sellers, push | 14:28 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 843.80 --> + 0.8 |
| that's a late post |
| :( | 14:30 |
| ER2 volatility drying up... |
| I'm expecting a volatility spike here soon. |
| Hopefully in the direction of my trade. |
<jperl> | keeps bouncing off that 1st StdDev |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 843.90 --> + 0.1 |
<RussellDaytrade> | and accelerate into a lower target...I have a bullish preference short-term (a couple days), (bearish longer term, weeks -to -months), so, the immediate bias (bullish) is currently superceding the larger-scale bias... | 14:31 |
<NihabaAshi> | :( |
<eminitrader> | my thought RD :) |
<NihabaAshi> | ER2 keeps probing that WRB s/r zone of the 2:02pm est price action on the 2min chart. | 14:32 |
<RussellDaytrade> | either way, mkt has rallied enuf since Fridays lows to support some more giveback in here, I have 839.8 area, it just feels reluctant to get going there |
<jperl> | finally | 14:33 |
| down below 1st stddev |
<RussellDaytrade> | all that said, er it appearing like a 'sailfin' patterening, where it may begin to accelerate downward. |
<eminitrader> | never know when the trend will change |
<szubaark> | exit stop set ES @ 1530 «« paper »» | 14:34 |
<eminitrader> | Exited all ES Long @ 1528.25 --> - 1 | 14:35 |
<jperl> | i've had enough of this price action.....done for the day.... | 14:36 |
| P/L here.... |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-06-11/JP ERL_013.png |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1528.50 --> + 1.5 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1528.25 |
| large size |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 842.70 -> medium size | 14:42 |
| intuition trade |
<eminitrader> | exit stop raised ES @ 1527.25 | 14:44 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 843.20 --> - 0.5 | 14:45 |
| Long ER2 @ 843.00 -> large size | 14:46 |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 842.20 --> - 0.8 | 14:48 |
<intowin> | Stopped out ER 841.90 -2.20 | 14:49 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 842.20 -> large size |
<eminitrader> | Exited ES Long @ 1528.25 --> 0 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1528.25 |
| 20 contracts |
<intowin> | let em rige |
| ride | 14:50 |
<RussellDaytrade> | if that es doesn't play-along on the downside, it is unlikely er will achieve my target arae near 839.8...it looks like es doesn't wanna paly |
<eminitrader> | Covered ES Short @ 1528.25 --> 0 | 14:52 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1528.25 |
| same size |
| last trade ...way too much in commisions |
| looks like new highs now or a chop..dont see break of supp at least today on the ES | 14:53 |
<NihabaAshi> | missed my add price :( | 14:54 |
<intowin> | Last trade Long ER 842.80 rough day | 14:56 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 842.80 -> Add | 14:57 |
<eminitrader> | looks like Es is waiting for NQ to make its move | 14:58 |
<NihabaAshi> | I'm not trading these s/r zones too smartly... | 14:59 |
| Will leave them alone after this trade. | 15:00 |
<eminitrader> | Exited ES Long @ 1528.25 --> 0 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1528.25 |
| 5 only |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 841.80 --> + 1 |
<intowin> | out 841.80 -1 | 15:01 |
<eminitrader> | nice niha... |
<intowin> | glad someone is on the right side : ) |
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<eminitrader> | shld have taken some when i had around 5 ticks |
<NihabaAshi> | :( | 15:02 |
| I got some distractions here at home... |
<eminitrader> | maybe selling in the last hr | 15:03 |
<RussellDaytrade> | es looks more promising now to downside |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 841.30 --> + 0.9 |
| Holding 2 contracts remaider | 15:04 |
| exit stop set ER2 @ 842.10 |
| Be back later and will post a late trade result if my trailin stop is hit prior to my return. |
<RussellDaytrade> | another buck down on er will make this pattern very visually appealing....dang tyhing is sticky | 15:05 |
<eminitrader> | Covered all ES Short @ 1528.25 --> 0 | 15:06 |
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<eminitrader> | done for the day...losing one ---see u all tommorow | 15:07 |
<RussellDaytrade> | so long EM |
<intowin> | see ya E |
<eminitrader> | later RD intw |
<base> | see you | 15:08 |
<RussellDaytrade> | this mkt is changing character...every prior instance this year under these very conditions, the mkt would have ramped up and be in an acceleration phase...while it may yet rally higher over the cousre of the next couple days, it feels like the starch has bben taken out of it sufficiently to give pause to the buyers... | 15:35 |
| maybe they do a surprise gap up open tomorrow to create a 'forced' buying condition, that may cause an acceleration do to the 'surprise attack' aspects, etc...hope so, if so I will be then scaling into short trades | 15:37 |
| if that does occur, shorts will be on fairly wide scales, in respect that I may once again be early, (relative to a decline), and I will allow sufficient ample reserves to withstand adverse prices....a gap down open may be a direct and immediate sell | 15:41 |
<NihabaAshi> | Ok...I'm back and here's a late trade post that got hit around 15:06:06 |
| Trailing Stop Hit ER2 @ 842.10 --> + 0.1 |
| It wasn't a pretty trading day but I got my profit goal for the day. | 15:47 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 839.70 -> small size | 15:52 |
| 2 contracts only and I'm in profit portection mode. |
| Shorts ER2 @ 840.40 -> Add | 15:55 |
| Covered all ER2 Short @ 841.40 --> - 2.7 | 15:59 |
| Long ER2 @ 841.80 -> small size | 16:00 |
<RussellDaytrade> | I am satisfied that 839.8 target area was indeed achieved. |
| it took the scenic route. |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 841.90 -> Add | 16:05 |
| If this trade had more time in the day it would be at 842.50 by now. | 16:07 |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 842.00 --> + 0.3 | 16:14 |
| Manage to stay above my profit goal for the day. | 16:15 |
| I'm also expecting tomorrow to be like today... |
| Poor volatility, one strong price movement and then a retrace of a good portion of the movement. | 16:16 |
<GoodMood> | Is this already summer time ? |
<NihabaAshi> | I won't start being agressive until Wednesday when I expect volatility to improve. |
| GoodMood...I think volatility is going to stink overall going into the July 4th holiday. | 16:17 |
| After that it should slowly improve. |
| If not...I'm going to dramatically reduce my position size for the month of July until September. | 16:18 |
<Desert_Flen> | N What are your volatility parameters for adjusting number of contracts? I usually trade 2 no matter what, but am thinking of adding the additional dimension to the trade methodology. | 16:26 |
<NihabaAshi> | It's simple...I determine prior to the Open how large I will go based upon my expectations of the trading day. | 16:36 |
| Today, there wasn't much happening as in key market events to cause any rising volatility nor consistent back to back volatility spikes. | 16:37 |
| That kepted me from doing too large of a position and kepted my profit expectations down. |
| My parameters (my size) is also determine by the time of the trading day, my profit level and key market events. | 16:38 |
| The only time I had a chance to push some real size...I wasn't here (out at the stores doing personal stuff). | 16:39 |
| Volatility will began increasing tomorrow after the 2pm est Treasury Budget. | 16:40 |
| That's my key market event to start the week of normal trading. |
| Until then, I'm going to keep my overall size small and losses smaller than I normally do. |
| Meant...keep my overall size "smaller" not small. | 16:41 |
| It's also Quadruple Witching week... |
| Mon, Tues or Weds tends to produce a very strong price movement in comparison to Thurs and Fri price action. | 16:42 |
| Thus, I'm expecting a big price movement either tomorrow afternoon or Weds. |
| No fancy volatility numbers... | 16:43 |
| I'm just watching what really moves the markets. |
| Also, Bernanke speaks on the same day of a Friday Quadruple Witching week. | 16:44 |
| That doesn't happen often and I got some homework to do before than (reviewing old data about such involving him and Greenspan over the past years). | 16:45 |
| Monday of next week could be a barn burner if my suspicions are correct. |
| Take care all and see all tomorrow. | 16:46 |
<GoodMood> | bye Niha |
* DisconnectedSession | Close: Mon Jun 11 17:00:13 2007 | 17:00 |
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