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<jperl> | My ER2 trading chart for today with VWAP pivots.... | 09:28 |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-05-15/JP ERL_014.png |
<pat255> | gm all |
<Brutus> | Shorts ER2 @ 824.8 «« paper »» | 09:33 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 825.00 -> small size | 09:35 |
<Brutus> | Shorts ER2 @ 825 -> Add «« paper »» |
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<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1512.50 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 824.10 --> - 0.9 | 09:36 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 824.10 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 823.70 -> Add |
<Brutus> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 823.1 --> + 1.9 «« paper »» | 09:37 |
<eminitrader> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1510.50 --> + 2 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 822.90 --> + 0.8 |
<Brutus> | Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 822.8 --> + 2 «« paper »» | 09:38 |
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<NihabaAshi> | Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 824.00 --> + 0.1 | 09:42 |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1511.50 -> Add | 09:43 |
<Brutus> | Shorts ER2 @ 823.9 -> Add «« paper »» |
<szubaark> | Shorts NQ @ 1892.25 «« paper »» | 09:44 |
<RussellDaytrade> | I guess you guys are expecting some more downside today...make that a table for four | 09:45 |
<eminitrader> | table for 4 ? |
<Brutus> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 822.3 --> + 1.6 «« paper »» | 09:46 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 822.50 -> medium size |
<eminitrader> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1509.50 --> + 2 |
<jperl> | yesterdays VWAP -2nd STdDev @ 821.32 | 09:47 |
<Brutus> | Covered 1/4 ER2 Short @ 821.8 --> + 3 «« paper »» |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short NQ at 1889.50 --> + 2.75 «« paper »» |
<Brutus> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 822 --> + 2.8 «« paper »» |
<RussellDaytrade> | table for 4 refers to me also thinking it goes lower |
<eminitrader> | :) |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 821.60 --> + 0.9 |
<eminitrader> | Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1508 --> + 4.5 | 09:50 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 819.90 --> + 2.6 |
<eminitrader> | holding 3 |
<NihabaAshi> | Holding 1 contract |
<eminitrader> | exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1512.50 | 09:51 |
<Brutus> | Shorts ER2 @ 821.6 «« paper »» | 09:56 |
<jperl> | ER2 VWAP 822.55 | 09:57 |
| peak volume 823.50 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 821.80 --> + 0.7 |
<Brutus> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 821.8 --> - 0.2 «« paper »» |
| Shorts ER2 @ 823.2 «« paper »» | 09:59 |
<kei> | long es @10.50 | 10:00 |
<Brutus> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 823.5 --> - 0.3 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1511.25 |
| 2add of 2 |
<kei> | cover es @ 11.5 | 10:02 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 823.90 -> small size |
| 2 contracts only |
<jperl> | quick morning....done for now....trades here... | 10:03 |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-05-15/JP ERL_015.png |
<eminitrader> | Covered all ES Short @ 1512.50 --> - 1.25 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 825.60 --> + 1.7 |
<Brutus> | Shorts ER2 @ 827.3 «« paper »» | 10:04 |
<ItalianSharp> | did any news come out at 10am to produce this volatility? | 10:05 |
| my calendar says nothing... | 10:06 |
<Brutus> | Covered ER2 Short @ 828.3 --> - 1 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | just buying i guess |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 829.10 --> + 5.2 |
<pat255> | vn niha... |
| never thot it will go back up like that ... |
<eminitrader> | cool niha :) |
<NihabaAshi> | That's one hell of a bounce off the lows. |
<pat255> | yes .. | 10:07 |
<ItalianSharp> | this is what i'm getting from my live news service: |
| May IBD/TIPP economic optimism index is 48.0 vs. exp. 44.0 and prior 45.5 |
| is that about the US economy? |
| jeees...these markets dont wanna hear about going down...looks like november and december, when every dip is a good excuse to buy...:) | 10:09 |
<NihabaAshi> | Amazing that I missed the initial Long signal around 0954am est @ 821.10 in comparison to my late entry around 1002am est @ 823.90 |
| The price reaction is definetly related to the 0830am est report. | 10:10 |
| Also, is FED Chairman Bernanke still speaking ??? | 10:11 |
<ItalianSharp> | niha, the 8.30am report was below expectations...and still mkts going up... |
<NihabaAshi> | The volatility isn't high enough to merit a price move like that bounce off the lows. | 10:16 |
| In fact, the market has been putting in some very nice price moves for a week or so on very low volatility. | 10:17 |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 829.8 | 10:19 |
<Brutus> | Long ES @ 1517 «« paper »» | 10:31 |
| exit stop set ES @ 1516 «« paper »» |
| Exited ES Long @ 1516 --> - 1 «« paper »» | 10:32 |
<les> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 829.7 --> - 0.1 | 10:37 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1515.50 | 10:42 |
<Brutus> | Shorts ES @ 1516.75 «« paper »» | 10:47 |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1516.50 --> + 1 | 10:48 |
<Brutus> | exit stop set ES @ 1516.75 «« paper »» | 10:49 |
| Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1515.75 --> + 1 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1515.50 --> 0 | 10:50 |
| Long ES @ 1516 | 10:52 |
<Brutus> | Covered all ES Short @ 1516.75 --> 0 «« paper »» |
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<ItalianSharp> | anyone knows why the dollar is getting hammered again? |
<Brutus> | Long ES @ 1514.75 «« paper »» | 10:57 |
| exit stop set ES @ 1513.75 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1514 -> Add |
<Brutus> | Exited ES Long @ 1513.75 --> - 1 «« paper »» | 10:58 |
<RussellDaytrade> | well, that was a hell of a scenic detour down the crimson highway, back in the black again | 10:59 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1512.50 -> Add | 11:00 |
| Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1513.50 --> + 1 | 11:02 |
| Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1514 --> - 2 | 11:03 |
| thats b/e on 1 lot |
<NihabaAshi> | If Forex UsdCdn keeps on performing poorly... | 11:04 |
<RussellDaytrade> | I will refer to the last time I posted the 'hangtime' effect, and for anyone that may recall, how I also expected that the last time it occured, the duration of it would beigin to be less. well the last time, about a week and a half or so ago, it wasn't, but today it was and is. while this may seem to be a minor shift, alomost imperceptible, it is nonetheless present, and detectable... | 11:05 |
<NihabaAshi> | I'll soon be switching from doing everything in U.S. currency to doing it in Canadian currency considering I have bank accounts in both countries. |
<RussellDaytrade> | slowly, the dynamics are altering, the upward juice is being extracted. | 11:06 |
<jperl> | ER2 VWAP 826.17 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1513 -> Add | 11:07 |
<Brutus> | Long ES @ 1513.25 «« paper »» | 11:08 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1512 -> Add | 11:11 |
<Brutus> | Exited ES Long @ 1512.5 --> - 0.75 «« paper »» |
<pat255> | exit all es -2 | 11:13 |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 825.5 | 11:14 |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1513.50 --> + 1.5 | 11:15 |
<Brutus> | ES stopped at the 0.61 retrace | 11:17 |
<eminitrader> | yep exactly to the tick |
| was surprised u had ur stop there |
<Brutus> | Wasnt paying attention to it :( | 11:18 |
| Was trying some paper scalps on another setup |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1514.50 --> - 1.5 | 11:19 |
<les> | Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 827.1 --> + 1.6 |
* Litman | is now known as Littman | 11:28 |
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<eminitrader> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1516 --> 0 | 11:39 |
| holding 3 |
<les> | exit stop raised ER2 @ 825.8 |
<eminitrader> | Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1517.50 --> + 1.5 | 11:40 |
<les> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 828.6 --> + 3.1 | 11:41 |
<pat255> | vn guys ... | 11:42 |
<eminitrader> | thx pat |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 829 | 11:43 |
| thx |
<jperl> | ER2 peak volume 829.20 | 11:45 |
<les> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 829.4 --> + 0.4 | 11:51 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 828.4 | 11:53 |
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<les> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 827.6 --> + 0.8 | 12:06 |
* les | is now known as lesAway |
* codehead_afk | is now known as codehead | 12:14 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1516.75 | 12:18 |
<pat255> | c u all ater ty all.. | 12:22 |
<eminitrader> | later pat |
<pat255> | later em & others |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1519.25 --> + 2.5 | 12:42 |
<Brutus> | nice entry e |
<eminitrader> | Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1516.75 --> 0 | 12:46 |
| thx b |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 827.50 -> small size | 12:48 |
| 1 contract only |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 825.40 --> + 2.1 | 12:57 |
<Brutus> | May Housing Market Index released on 5/15 at 1:00 PM :theflyonthewall | 12:59 |
<NihabaAshi> | I wasn't sure how much of an impact that economic report will have... | 13:00 |
<Brutus> | not much on ER |
<NihabaAshi> | So I decided to hold until a WRB formed near that release time. |
| Well, with econ reports that price action can start as early as 15mins prior to a release. | 13:01 |
| Reason why we need to be alert of any volatility changes "prior" to a economic report release. | 13:02 |
| I saw the volatility change around 1247pm est (something was going up) in relationship to that 1pm est report. | 13:03 |
| Price action now at a WRB pt3 level in reaction to the report. | 13:04 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1514.75 |
<NihabaAshi> | Key s/r zone between 823.30 - 822.00 | 13:06 |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1516.75 --> + 2 | 13:12 |
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<karsat> | nice bounce in ER2 | 13:15 |
<RussellDaytrade> | Niha, thanks for answering my question late yesterday...I had already logged off when you had, but saw it later last night...I am paying attention to how I frame questions, if you recall, about a week ago, I posted a question in frustration, and it was phrased thusly. afterwards, it occurde to me that a much more productive manner to phrase the question, is 'how do I improve', or, 'how can i improve, in this area', etc... | 13:34 |
<eminitrader> | Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1515.75 --> + 1 |
<RussellDaytrade> | which led to last nights question, 'how can I stay in my directional trades longer? | 13:35 |
| I think by posing the questions in the proper maner, the answers will come. :) | 13:36 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1514.75 | 13:41 |
| Exited all ES Long @ 1514.25 --> - 0.5 | 13:43 |
<codehead> | dam, 35 points and still going | 13:47 |
| oops wrong room |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1511.75 | 13:48 |
| -X- The BANNER Frequency has been set to 120:minutes | 13:49 |
| -X- The BANNER Frequency has been set to 120:minutes | 13:51 |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1513.75 --> + 2 | 13:53 |
| Long ES @ 1511.75 -> Add | 13:54 |
| Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1513.25 --> + 1.5 | 13:56 |
<Brutus> | Could be new highs from here e | 13:57 |
<eminitrader> | i dont think so ...change of trend confirmed ...sld see new lows | 13:58 |
<Brutus> | OK ic, Im looking for a few tests of this level then 1400 it may move to the upside | 13:59 |
| mean 1430 | 14:00 |
<eminitrader> | well we never know...but the flow as of now has a low probability of new highs but a high probability of new lows |
<RussellDaytrade> | feels lower than higher..all them string of days to the upside may have lulled many into a false sense of more upside. | 14:02 |
| feels like a sell the rallies type of mkt |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1513.75 --> + 2 | 14:07 |
| Exited ES Long @ 1512.75 --> + 1 | 14:12 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1512.75 |
<Brutus> | Some nasdaq stocks look very weak |
| question is - is the selling about to be done? | 14:13 |
<eminitrader> | just started :) |
| i hope | 14:14 |
<RussellDaytrade> | ditto |
<eminitrader> | Covered all ES Short @ 1512.75 --> 0 |
| not good entry ... |
<RussellDaytrade> | contrary to popular opinion, the mkt can go down more than one day in a row! | 14:15 |
<eminitrader> | nq did not confirm it ...will prolly have one more move to stop the momemtum shorts |
| Shorts ES @ 1512.25 | 14:17 |
| Covered all ES Short @ 1511.75 --> + 0.5 | 14:25 |
| my original entry was to be on a reversal @ around 1515.50 | 14:26 |
| looks like mrkts trying to ease the selling presuure ..so hopefully will seea better entry | 14:28 |
| if not ..had a very good dya compared to the last 10 days or so ...no regrets on missing this short | 14:29 |
| looks like i missed the move :(( | 14:38 |
| did anyone catch this move ...? | 14:46 |
<Chilly> | I was short at 1517 and bailed all at 1514.75 ... sigh ... it's the story of my trading life :) | 14:48 |
<ItalianSharp> | wow, they are selling heavy | 14:49 |
<Brutus> | Yes e..... |
<eminitrader> | well by then the mrkt had not confirmed its downmove...so u did good with taking some off |
<Brutus> | I tried to catch the the bottom :)) |
<eminitrader> | u mean long? | 14:50 |
<Chilly> | that was my thinking E .. so I took what the market gave me at the time |
<Brutus> | Just JK, one ER long for couple ticks pft |
<eminitrader> | k B |
<RussellDaytrade> | just a little bit of it...did a ss at 820.8, in anticiapation of a break...a break I usually miis since my prefernce is to sell into ralies. covered at 818 |
<eminitrader> | good one RD | 14:51 |
<RussellDaytrade> | thank you Sir. may I have another?! |
<eminitrader> | i was scaling in my entries all day... |
<Brutus> | Did not expect new highs only to be sold off so heavily, was also thinking a possible trend day due to options exp week | 14:52 |
<eminitrader> | when i recognized the change in trend i was so excited ...that i took a ct expecting a bounce of the major suppbut failed to scale in on my reverse ... | 14:53 |
| mby the time i did it was an area where i was not comfortable given my entry was supposed to be more than 2 pts from there... | 14:54 |
| was hoping for a bounce back ...but shit happens...but this cld have been the icing on the cake ..for me today |
<ItalianSharp> | emini, when did trend change according to your analysis? | 14:55 |
<eminitrader> | possible change @ around 1 50 est confirmed @ 1:56 | 14:57 |
<RussellDaytrade> | well, sometimes in these kinds of setups, the mkts will have a false gap up open, providing another opportunity to sell...I have an up of 821.78, and a second up 826.43...the first could easily fulfill today | 15:01 |
<eminitrader> | u mean for tommorow | 15:02 |
<RussellDaytrade> | no, for today, but the higher t is too far away, in my opnion, to fulfill this late in the day, and with the mkt weakening (as I percieve it) | 15:03 |
<eminitrader> | k thx |
<jperl> | I'm done for the day....P/L here | 15:10 |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-05-15/JP ERL_016.png |
| That last trade group starting at 816.40 required a scale in to get a graceful exit | 15:11 |
<RussellDaytrade> | here's another question. while I do not expect an answer, certainly answers from anyone here are welcome..I am asking moire from the standpoint of 'thinking out loud', and training myself to ask questions in a manner that helps me to find answers, phrased such that it is implied that 1) there are answers, and 2) that I can and will find them... | 15:18 |
| how can I remain aggessively postured thru-out the entire trading day, and continue to trade actively into the afternoon sessions, when opportunity still abounds? | 15:19 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 817.50 -> small size | 15:27 |
| 2 contracts | 15:28 |
<RussellDaytrade> | bounces seem to be becoming more lackluster, relative to the action of the past month or so | 15:30 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 816.20 -> Add | 15:31 |
| Ooops... | 15:32 |
| That's suppose to show 817.20 |
| I'll correct it n the exit. |
<werner> | gn all | 15:34 |
<NihabaAshi> | Volatility declining...I'm expecting a volatility spike here soon...hopefully in the direction of my trade. |
| Exit 1/3 ER2 Long @ 817.60 -> +0.40
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| Exit 1/3 ER2 Long @ 817.80 -> +0.30
| 15:39 |
| Exit 1/3 ER2 Long @ 817.90 -> +0.40
| 15:40 |
| I'm done for the day. | 15:42 |
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<NihabaAshi_away> | Take care all and see all tomorrow. | 16:28 |
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