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Price Action Trading (no technical indicators)
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This information will help traders understand how I (M.A. Perry a.k.a. wrbtrader) personally approach the markets each trading day. In addition, you'll learn general information about my edges within my trading plan that involves many things working together as a team.

I'm primarily a day trader via price action trading because it suits my personal lifestyle very well but I do occasionally swing trade and position trade. Thus, my trade methods work just as well for swing trading and position trading even though my performance record is primarily day trading.

Price Action Trading Definition @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/price-action-trading.htm

Further, my consistent profits are not solely because of my trade signals or technical analysis as a price action only trader (no indicators). I'm profitable because of my trading plan that involves +20 years market experience, psychology of trading, discipline, money management, proper capitalization, position size management, proper trading instrument for the trade strategies, stress management, proper broker platform, proper trade workstation, proper at home trade environment, team collaboration, wrb analysis, trade signals (technical analysis) et cetera. It's all that stuff that most system designers, backtesters or academia do not want to talk about with profitable traders because they prefer only dealing with trade signal codes or mechanical systems in a false belief that today's complex markets can be defined via trade signal codes and nothing else...ignoring that it takes a good trading plan to endure the markets year after year along with having the ability to adapt within today's markets that are globalized (key events in other countries impacts the price action you're trading just as equally as key events in your own country has impact on the price action you're trading).


Thus, all the variables mentioned above that's working together in my trading plan...that's the reason behind my consistent profits. Therefore, do not ask me for codes to my trade method so that you can test the merits of my trade method while ignoring the fact it's my trading plan as a team that's behind my consistent profits and not my trade method all by itself because I do not use an automated nor mechanical system. Further, if someone wants to test why I'm profit...they need to test my entire trading plan and not one component of it. In fact, the main reason why I don't use computer codes because the markets are too complex, uncertain, ambiguous for such via all the intermarket relationships and global economy/political relationships. Thus, we as traders must understand market context that's often complex prior to the appearance of any trade signals regardless if they are based upon technical analysis or not.


In addition, if you have a sincere interest in learning my trade methods, you must first learn/apply the WRB Analysis free study guide @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=718 because it is the foundation (contains critical key concepts) of my trading. Further, you should use the free chat room ##TheStrategyLab to learn real-time WRB Analysis and ask lots of questions to help prepare you to learn my advance trade methods prior to purchasing the advance trade methods. In fact, if you do not learn and master the basic concepts of WRB Analysis...you are not suitable for trading via using my advance trade methods. Therefore, highly recommended you take advantage of the free resources @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum/viewforum.php?f=90 if you're serious about trading and want a sneak preview into how I interact with the markets because there's more to profitable trading than just trade signals.

Simply, you must do the hard work because I do not know of any lazy or easy short cuts to profitable trading.

How Do I Understand Market Context?

There are many definitions of market context. I get my market context from key market events, WRB Analysis and intermarket analysis working together. Thus, if I'm missing one of those three components...I won't have the market context I need to profitably navigate whatever price action I'm trading on that particular trading day.

I discuss key market events and WRB Analysis in the free study guide @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=718

WRB Analysis identifies key changes in supply/demand and changes in volatility that results in what I call WRB Zones. The price action in the tutorials are rule-base (objective) although applied discretionary via that each trading day I'm using different WRB Zones from the tutorials. These WRB Zones are not trade signals. Instead, they help with my understanding of the price action (the context) in combo with my market experience. In contrast, I also use rule base (objective) trade signals with no discretion but they must occur within WRB Zones outlined by the WRB Analysis Tutorials. Simply, if/when I get a trade signal...I do not take the trade unless it occurs within a WRB Zone that has given me the understanding of the price action for that particular trading day.

Intermarket Analysis - It's very simple. I look for volatility changes (e.g. WRB Hidden GAPs) in other well known price actions (e.g. Light Crude Oil CL futures, Emini ES futures, Gold GC futures, U.S. Dollar futures, Forex EurUsd currency, Eurex DAX futures and Treasury ZB futures) that are heavily traded by institutional traders to help give me clues about pending volatility changes in whatever it is I'm trading because all of these markets are globally connected. I constantly refer to these markets as key markets in my price action analysis in ##TheStrategyLab free chat room. Just as importantly, monitoring these key markets prevents me from getting married to one trading instrument...allowing me to quickly get involved in any price action that's producing swing points or strong continuation reactions to these key changes in volatility.

Key Market Events

I'm not talking about trader psychology. Instead, I'm talking about what really moved the markets that produces fear or greed in the price action. To be specific, I read every trading day something from one of the following: FED/ECB/IMF/BOC actions and speeches, economic reports and crisis events, geo-political decisions, regular schedule market events, market tendencies and seasonal price behavior. This helps me with my WRB Analysis and that prepares me to take action (buy, sell or sideline) when trade signals appear when there are key changes in supply/demand due to these key market events.

Simply, I'm not analyzing the key market event itself. In contrast, I'm analyzing how the price action reacted to these key market events.

WRB Analysis Tutorials

The discretionary aspect of my trading comes into play in my trading when applying the rule-base (objective) WRB Analysis Tutorial Chapters (understanding the price action prior to the appearance of any rule based trade signals) without automation because each trading day I may be using a different tutorial chapter or different combo of chapters for what ever reason as I concentrate on what caused a change in supply/demand. Simply, the market changes every trading day and it's the price action that tells me what type of WRB Zones I should be looking for and monitoring so that I'll know what to do when/if my trade signals appears within those WRB Zones that represent key changes in supply/demand.

By the way, you have free access to the basic WRB Analysis Tutorial Chapters 1, 2 and 3 to learn more about how I identify price actions that are key changes in supply/demand, key changes in volatility and price actions for profit targets. Yet, if you want support (answering your questions as you begin to learn WRB Analysis)...you must join the TSL Support Forum. More information about the basic tutorial chapters @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=718

To pay for the Advance WRB Analysis Tutorial Chapters...I highly recommend you first determine the merits of WRB Analysis via learning the basic tutorial chapters prior to making payment for the advance tutorial chapters. More information about the advance tutorial chapters @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/WRBAnalysisTutorials.htm

Trade Signal Strategies

The objective rule base players of my trading involves what I call the Volatility Trading Report (VTR) and its resources. It helps me to find trade opportunities in any type of market condition regardless if it's trending, ranging, high volatility or low volatility although I prefer not to trade in low volatility range periods.

Fee-based info about the strategies @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/VolatilityTrading.htm


With that said, the main purpose of this message post is to inform you about commonly asked questions that's aimed specifically at my personal trading that's part of my overall trading plan because some visitors to my website have mistakenly believed . Thus, the info below is very helpful to prevent responding to the same questions because you'll have all the answers here (e.g. what's your average position size per trade).

In addition, if you have any further questions about my trading habits or routine, they must be posted at the TSL Support Forum (not the FTCHAT Support Forum) although I may share details about a few components of my trading plan at other forums, chat rooms, twitter et cetera. Therefore, encouraging those interested in my trade methods or trading plan to ask their questions here at the forum or in my own chat room helps me to give answers without interruptions from those that don't have a sincere interest in understanding nor learning what I do as a trader. This also allows for me to maintain documentation of the questions & answers so that others can read whatever is discussed at the TSL Support Forum.

My Brokers

First of all, I never make broker recommendations due to the fact every trader has different needs and that there's not one perfect broker (they all have their problems). Also, I strongly believe in having a backup of everything (e.g. ISP, computer, real-time charting, broker et cetera because nothing is 100% perfect).


With that said, I use the following brokers:

* Velocity Futures (X_Trader)

http://www.velocityfutures.com

* Infinity Futures (Infinity AT)

http://www.infinityfutures.com

* RJO Futures formerly known as Zap Futures (RJO Vantage)

http://www.rjofutures.com

* Saxobank (Saxotrader)

http://www.saxobank.com

Chart Intervals used on my Monitors

My real-time charting programs are QCharts stand alone, eSignal web-base and Thinkorswim. I prefer candlestick charts instead of bar charts. On my monitors I have 2min, 3min, 5min and 15min intervals for day trading. Further, on specific types of trading days (e.g. FOMC Announcement) I will add the 1min chart interval. In contrast, when I swing trade or position trade, I'll use the 15min, 1hour, daily and weekly charts.


My trades posted in ##TheStrategyLab Chat Room

First of all, ##TheStrategyLab is a free chat room used by traders that want to document their trades, document WRB Analysis and/or document any other thoughts in real-time. I do the same. Therefore, members and I are not there in ##TheStrategyLab chat room to educate anyone and we're not there to tell someone when to buy or sell as if its a signal calling chat room. Yet, if you have questions about WRB Analysis or need help in your trading...its your responsibility to ask those questions because members and I do not have the ability to read your mind.

I try very hard to post my thoughts or trades in real-time as fast as possible. Thus, posting what I think about the price action long after the fact is not going to help me in my trading and the same is true for posted trades. As for my trades, they are posted in real-time within 3 - 5 seconds after the trade has occurred because it takes 3 - 5 seconds for me to see the broker confirmation, verify its exactly what I wanted and then type/send the trade information to ##TheStrategyLab chat room. I try to keep my trade info in ##TheStrategyLab as simple as possible because my goal after trade entry is to monitor my trade position. Thus, I don't discuss stop info, profit targets, trailing stops because that information is already discussed in this message post and in the trade management file for you to easy reference.

Also, I do not post trades in advance such as "I'll buy tomorrow at 1008am est" or "buy order in at 1583.40" because I don't try to predict market direction. Instead, I react to current price action via WRB Analysis and the Volatility Trading Report (VTR) along with often trying to get trade entries at a better price than my trade signal price. Traders that try to predict, have less trade options and they often get fixated on what they want the markets to do as if the markets will be exactly the same when the price action reaches those trade areas they had called in advance instead realizing the price action is often different when those trade areas are reached. That's why I prefer to just react to what actually is occurring in the markets instead of predicting because if a key price area is reached and I don't have a valid trade signal...I'm not going to take the trade.

Further, most of my trades are entered when the price action ticks against the trade direction of my trade signal. For example, if I get a Long signal...I try hard to open the Long position on down-ticks to minimize any concerns about the spread. It's not perfect as shown in some of my loses in the chat room archive logs when I'm quickly in the negative (losing trade) by many ticks within a few seconds after entry. Yet, overall, this type of trade entry approach works well for me.

In addition, you'll see me use the word re-entry for a new posted trade. Its an intuition trade in the same price direction of an earlier valid trade signal that was posted in the chat room. I often take re-entry trades but only if I was not satisfy with the results (profit or loss) of the earlier trade (valid trade signal) and I then notice the price action is still the same to merit a re-entry. These trades (intuition re-entries) are based on a ton of trading experience and the only rules I use is to try to get a better entry price in comparison to the prior trade that was based on a valid trade signal even though the re-entry trade itself is not a valid trade signal. Chat room access instructions @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum/viewforum.php?f=164

The chat log archives are posted @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/ftchat/forum/viewforum.php?f=20

Position Size

The trades you see me post in ##TheStrategyLab chat room always have one of the following designations...Large size, Medium size or Small size position. It simply means that my large size position is between 6 - 10 contracts, medium size is 4 - 5 contracts and small size between 1 - 3 contracts. Also, I usually follow the above commentary (large, medium or small) in ##TheStrategyLab with the exact number of contracts actually in the trade as shown in the archived chat logs. Yet, if I say small size while not stating specifically the number of contracts, the trade size is 1 contract. If I say medium size while not stating specifically the number of contracts, the trade size is 4 contracts. If I say large size while not stating specifically the number of contracts, the trade size is 6 contracts.

In addition, as soon as I reach my profit goal of the trading day, I go into profit protection mode and reduce my position size down to 1 - 2 contracts for the remainder of the trading day. Further, it's important to understand that posting real money trades in real-time is a difficult task especially when things get hectic, fast moving or frustrating. I've been doing such since late 1990's and it's taken many years to get comfortable with doing such.

Simply, it wasn't easy in the beginning and I often concentrated on the negative aspects of doing such instead of the positive aspects of posting real-time trades.

Position Size Management

I do a lot of daily chart analysis and key market event analysis to help me decide upon my position size in the first few hours of trading. For example, if the daily charts are showing contracting volatility, I will expect the following trading days to produce a volatility spike (strong intraday directional price movement). Thus, I will tend to go heavy on the large size position or increase my overall position size in comparison to my trading in the most recent trading days. Also, if I notice I'm having discipline problems or feel like I'm having a little trouble in understanding the price action...I'll dramatically reduce my position size down to a few contracts.

Another example is that I use intraday market tendencies to help with my position size management. For example, during Quadruple Witching week the strong directional price movements tend to occur on a Mon, Tues or Weds (free trading tip from a new service I'm currently designing that's schedule for release in 2013). Another example, if there's distractions here at my home while trading (e.g. twice per month I have a cleaning service cleaning my house), I'll only trade a small size of 1 - 3 contracts.

My point about my position size management is that I don't use the same position size each trading day and often will use a different size from one trade to the next trade in the same trading day for what ever reasons that's trading related or personal.

Also, here's something for you to think about...the markets are not the same every trading day. One day its a tight trading range day, another it's a trend day, another it's a high volatility chop day, another its a low volatility chop day, another it's a mixture of different types of price actions. Therefore, explain to yourself why should you use the exact same position size with the exact same stops or profit targets (risk:reward) if the price actions in the market are not the same...


Another concern is just because I'm consistently profitable doesn't imply I can just increase my position size while ignoring liquidity, volatility, psychological stress associated with position size increase as a discretionary trader or financial responsibility as the sole provider of the family. Thus, my position size management allows me to trade profitably without freaking out when I get consecutive losses. However, to compensate for times when I do want to dramatically increase my position size...I prefer to diversify via trading more than one trading instrument at the same time in different markets that don't have a high correlation (e.g. trading Emini TF and Forex EurUsd).

More than just Entry Signals

First of all, the markets are too dynamic for a trader to be using one strategy only as in a "one size fits all" trading approach. One trading day the markets are impacted via breaking news, another day the markets are impacted via regular schedule market events, another day the markets are impacted by global events, another day the markets are impacted via technical reasons, another day the markets are impacted via seasonal tendencies and another trading day the markets are impacted via any combo of the above variables mentioned.

That's why its very important to understand the price action prior to the appearance of any trade signals to be able to adapt whenever markets change because the markets are always changing...many times each year. Traders that don't have the ability to adapt will often endure account blowups, deep drawdowns, consistent losses or develop enough fear that they begin to self-sabotage their trading. Simply, trade signals are only part of a big puzzle involving profitable trading and the "one size fit all" one indicator/one strategy trading approaches will doom a trader whenever the market conditions change. .

With all that said, I use what's called WRB Analysis Tutorials @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/WRBAnalysisTutorials.htm to give me that understanding of the price action prior to the appearance of any trade signals.

As for my trade signals...they are primarily via the Volatility Trading Report (VTR) @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/VolatilityTrading.htm and a secondary source of trade signals via the bonus strategies in the WRB Analysis Advance Tutorial Chapters 4 - 12 package @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/WRBAnalysisTutorials.htm

The combo of WRB Analysis with my trade strategies is one edge or one piece of the puzzle to profitable trading. Other edges in my trading or other pieces of the puzzle is my actual trading experience (+15 years) and my market experience (+20 years). In addition, I have a close network of personal friends that are institutional traders, retail traders or work in different positions in the financial markets. Further, I have a great trading environment at home as a retail trader along with support from my family.

All the above are variables or pieces of the puzzle to my edge that allows me to be a consistent profitable trader.


Trade Management after Entry

I do not use fixed profit targets nor fixed initial stop/loss protection.


Instead, my profit targets, initial stop/loss protection, trailing stops and contingency plan (position reversals) are always different from one trade to the next trade. Yet, they are all determined via WRB Analysis.

Further, regardless to my profit targets or stops, if the price action looks bad after my entry and before a profit target or stop is reached...I'll dump the trade because I don't believe in getting married to a trade position which is why I have fast trades that are mistaken as scalp trading when in fact I did not enter the trade with the goal to scalp.

Initial Stop/Loss Protection

Currently, I trade Light Crude Oil CL futures, Emini TF futures, Emini ES futures, Gold GC futures and EuroFX 6E futures. I'll used an example via trading Emini TF futures and Emini ES futures to explain my typical initial stop/loss protection.

Depending upon the trading instrument, I use a - 2 points to -4 points emergency hard stop upon entry. Also, I use a - 1.0 point mental stop on most of my trades regardless to the trading instrument being traded and regardless to the volatility. The hard stop is just in case an emergency happens like my computer crashes, ISP disconnects or broker execution platform freezes in the middle of a trade that's moving fast against me. Further, the emergency hard stop is auto set immediately upon entry in any trade so that I don't have to worry about clicking any more buttons to set a stop...allowing me to concentrate on the price action and my trade position. Also, more often than not, I will know if the trade is a stinker when price reaches -0.8 which is why most of my losing trade exits are around -0.8 for Emini TF futures or -1 for Emini ES futures. Yet, my goal is to tighten the stop on the trade soon after entry and try to get that stop/loss closer to the -0.8 (Emini TF futures) or -1.00 (Emini ES futures). Slower the price action...slower I am to tightening my trail stops via the Trade Management info that's discussed in the WRB Analysis or Volatility Trading Report (VTR).

I like to use WRB Zones S/R areas, reaction highs/lows of my trading instrument or of other trading instruments that are highly correlated to my trading instrument for my stop adjustments after entry. Once in awhile, I'll use WRB Hidden GAPs that are not WRB Zones to help manage my stops but only if I don't have a good WRB Zone or good reaction high/low to work with.

Thus, the initial emergency hard stop is just a fixed stop not via my trade management file and the mental stops or adjusted trail stops are via the trade management file. Price action is constantly changing and that's why I'm always adjusting my stops (making them smaller) to help minimize my losing trades and to help keep me in trades for bigger profits in my winning trades.

Profit Targets

My basic profit targets are either WRB's or WRB Hidden GAPs that form after entry as discussed in the WRB Analysis Tutorial Chapters 1 - 3 free study guide trade management section. In contrast, sometimes I use advance profit targets as discussed via WRB Zones from the Advance Tutorial Chapters 4 - 12 or trade management section of the fee-base trade signal strategies. Also, if I think I've caught a trend and then decide to stay in the trade beyond a WRB pt1...I'll often use a higher time frame to manage the trade exit via a WRB target especially during a market seasonal tendency price action resulting in profit target exit well into a WRB pt3 to WRB pt7.

ADDing to an Open Position

It's not common for me to add to a position that's profitable or at a loss.

However, when ever I do add to a position, it's only because I got another trade signal regardless if the current position is at a profit or a loss. Yet, if add to a position at a loss (rarely do I average down as in maybe once every few thousand trades), I do such with the initial stop/loss protection still in place (no adjustments). Also, regardless if the position is profitable or at a loss...I now only add when the trade signal occurs within a WRB Zone whereas in the past I would add to a position even if it was not within a WRB Zone. Yet, I usually dump the add for a profit when the first WRB pt target is reached after the add.

Position Reversals

You probably notice via the ##TheStrategyLab chat log that I do position reversals once every few months in comparison to doing them a few times per week many years ago. First of all, if price retraces back to my mental stop during a volatility spike (not a breakout) especially after contracting volatility...I tend to reverse my position if the price action of Oil and Gold supports a position reversal. Yet, if it's a volatility breakout..I tend to exit the position for a loss at the mental stop.

Also, you'll notice in ##TheStrategyLab that I do more position reversals during high volatility market conditions whereas in comparison if its normal to low volatility market conditions...I tend to exit a problem trade (no position reversal) prior to the initial stop/loss protection being reached.

Best Regards,
M.A. Perry
Trader and Founder of WRB Analysis (wide range body/bar analysis)
@ http://twitter.com/wrbtrader or http://stocktwits.com/wrbtrader

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