Session Start: Mon Mar 30 09:16:26 2009
Session Ident: #futurestrades
[09:16] * Now talking in #futurestrades
[09:16] <@X> [NihabaAshi] Announcement: The new trade posting script v3.7 (replaces v3.6) is posted at your forum in the "Announcements" thread.
[09:22] <rickf> long AUD/JPY $ 65.90
[09:30] <+rickf> bloody morning shaping up
[09:35] <+rickf> good thing i re-hedged on friday
[09:41] * codehead_afk is now known as codehead
[09:49] <@NihabaAshi_away> Shorts ES @ 788.00 -> medium size
[09:49] <@NihabaAshi_away> 4 only
[09:52] <@NihabaAshi_away> Covered all ES Short @ 787.75 --> + 0.25
[09:52] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Archived trade posting chat logs have a new location. They are now stored @ viewforum.php?f=20
[09:54] <pat255>
all[09:54] <+pat255> @office ...
[09:54] <+rickf>
[09:56] <jbuch>
all[09:58] <@NihabaAshi_away> Shorts ES @ 788.75 -> small size
[09:58] <@NihabaAshi_away> 3 only
[09:58] <@NihabaAshi_away> intuition
[09:58] * NihabaAshi_away is now known as NihabaAshi
[09:59] <+pat255> oh mama even on intuition N plays 3 ...geez max i take is 2 ..lol
[10:01] <@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 789.75 --> - 1
[10:02] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 788.75 -> medium size
[10:02] <@NihabaAshi> 4 only
[10:04] <+rickf> my standard is/was/will be again 4
[10:04] <+rickf> 2 for intuitions that are spur of the moment ideas
[10:04] <+rickf> ie scalps
[10:04] <Reno> Shorts ES @ 788.75 «« paper »»
[10:06] <codehead> long ES 2c 787.75 <paper>
[10:06] <+codehead> stop 786.00
[10:07] <@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 787.75 --> + 1
[10:07] <+Reno> Covered all ES Short @ 788.50 --> + 0.25 «« paper »»
[10:08] <+codehead> exit half ES +1.25 <paper>
[10:08] <+codehead> raise stop b/e on remainder <paper>
[10:09] <+codehead> exit +1.00 remainder <paper>
[10:10] <+codehead> oops, gave up at wrong time
[10:10] <+codehead> just aqn oversold bounce, cci famir
[10:12] <+rickf> short es 790.25
[10:12] <+pat255> S 780 let us see 1 car
[10:12] <+pat255> 790
[10:13] <pdays> Long ES @ 789.75
[10:14] <+pdays> Exited all ES Long @ 790.5 --> + 0.75
[10:14] <+jbuch> Shorts SPY @ 79.39
[10:14] <+Reno> Shorts ES @ 789.75 «« paper »»
[10:15] <szubaark> Shorts ES @ 789.50 «« paper »»
[10:16] <+rickf> exit es 789 +1.25
[10:16] <+jbuch> Covered all SPY Short @ 78.31 --> + 1.08
[10:17] <+jbuch> Covered all SPY Short @ 79.31 --> + 0.08
[10:17] <+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 790.75 «« paper »»
[10:17] <+jbuch> like that first one better
)[10:18] <+rickf> lol
[10:20] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 788.00 -> small size
[10:20] <@NihabaAshi> 3 only
[10:20] <+rickf> another erly exit
[10:20] <+rickf> must....learn....patience
[10:21] <+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 788.50 «« paper »»
[10:22] <+codehead> long 2c ES 727.25 <paper>
[10:23] <+codehead> exit ES +.25 <paper>
[10:23] <+Reno> Covered all ES Short @ 788 --> + 1.75 «« paper »»
[10:24] <@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 788.00 --> 0
[10:24] <+codehead> potential double bottom, but downside targets not hit yet
[10:24] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 788.50 --> + 1 «« paper »»
[10:24] <+codehead> so a gamble
[10:24] <+codehead> long 1c ES 788.25 <paper>
[10:25] <+codehead> 1 pt stop
[10:26] <+codehead> exit +.75 <paper>
[10:28] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 788.50 -> small size
[10:28] <@NihabaAshi> 3 only
[10:28] <@NihabaAshi> intuition
[10:29] <+Reno> Shorts ES @ 787.75 «« paper »»
[10:30] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 787.25 «« paper »»
[10:30] <+szubaark> exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 787.25 «« paper »»
[10:31] <+Reno> Covered all ES Short @ 785.50 --> + 2.25 «« paper »»
[10:31] <@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 785.25 --> + 3.25
[10:32] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 785 --> + 2.25 «« paper »»
[10:33] <+Reno> drats, could have had my initial exit target
[10:33] <+Reno> wanted profits though
[10:33] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.77
[10:35] <+pat255> vn guys
[10:36] * Reno is now known as Reno-Away
[10:37] <+jbuch> Exited all SPY Long @ 78.77 --> 0
[10:40] <+pdays> Long ES @ 784.0
[10:41] <+rickf> wtg
[10:46] <+pdays> Exited all ES Long @ 782.75 --> - 1.25
[10:46] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.61
[10:49] <+jbuch> Exited 1/2 SPY Long @ 78.79 --> + 0.18
[10:55] <+jbuch> Exited 1/4 SPY Long @ 78.88 --> + 0.27
[10:58] <+rickf> back in a biit - gym
[11:08] <TraderG> Obama talks now.
[11:08] <+jbuch> Exited Remainder SPY Long @ 78.62 --> + 0.01
[11:09] <+TraderG> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/av/#
[11:10] <+jbuch> BBL
[11:19] <+pdays> Shorts ES @ 785.75
[11:19] <+pdays> Covered all ES Short @ 785.25 --> + 0.5
[11:20] <@NihabaAshi> FYI - President Obama on tv right now talking about "it's now time to solve the auto industry problem"...
[11:21] <@NihabaAshi> He also sounds like he's trying to sell an auto
[11:21] <@NihabaAshi> Good luck...if people don't have money to buy...they aren't going to buy.
[11:22] <TradeLancer> Regardless of your politics, he's the best salesman they got (with a US waraanty)
[11:22] <+szubaark> local bicycle dealers in my area are selling a lot of bikes
[11:22] <@NihabaAshi> He sounds like as if "we" do have money to buy and he needs to "encourage" us to purchase.
[11:23] <@NihabaAshi> szu...remember my conversation in here over the past 3 years about bicycles and Moped shops in the area...
[11:23] <@NihabaAshi> It's the hottest growing sector.
[11:23] <+TradeLancer> At least in the very short term, it will help those that $$$ to use the tax incentives.
[11:24] <@NihabaAshi> I make good money from my trading...I have not intentions of buying a new car.
[11:24] <@NihabaAshi> I'm concentrating on other forms of transportation for savings.
[11:25] <@NihabaAshi> I drive my car less...ride my bike to the stores more.
[11:25] <@NihabaAshi> In fact, I'm buying my spouse a new bike (more durable) for the summer...not a new car
[11:26] <+TradeLancer> If you don't need or want a new vehicle, then youre all set. There's a huge unsettled commercial marketplace for heavy vehicles waiting to see what going to happen
[11:26] <+szubaark> i ride my mountain bike a lot...find it relaxing
[11:26] <@NihabaAshi> heavy vehicles
[11:26] <@NihabaAshi> commercial like construction vehicles
[11:27] <@NihabaAshi> If so...I thought that industry wasn't hit as hard as the auto industry.
[11:27] <+TradeLancer> commercial/industrial/ us/candian based vs foriegn that have not nearly come into northa america, YET
[11:29] <@NihabaAshi> I know a few places around here have been getting the word out that they "will" honor warranties for those cars if the auto industry goes out of business.
[11:29] <@NihabaAshi> Almost as if they know what's going to happen.
[11:36] <@NihabaAshi> I just don't get it...
[11:37] <@NihabaAshi> I was watching on TV last weekend about "new cars" at the recent auto show...
[11:37] <@NihabaAshi> They were specifically saying they weren't worry about the slow down in the auto industry.
[11:38] <@NihabaAshi> They went on to say that they had so much "back order" for these new production cars that it will take a few years to get to cars to every body that has already "pre-order".
[11:39] <@NihabaAshi> It's more than a "slow down".
[11:39] <+jbuch> that is really hard to believe
[11:40] <@NihabaAshi> It's more like "bankruptcy" or going out of business.
[11:40] <@NihabaAshi> jbuch...it seems like those fancy "auto shows" aren't in tune with what's going on in the overall auto industry.
[11:41] <@NihabaAshi> Maybe the good looking gals walking around the latest production car is blinding everybody
[11:42] <+jbuch> probably just trying to put a good spin on it so that thay will get the next round of bailout loans
[11:45] <+jbuch> Shorts SPY @ 78.68
[11:45] <+jbuch> Covered all SPY Short @ 78.68 --> 0
[11:47] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 782 «« paper »»
[11:47] <fcb98292> Shorts ES @ 782.75
[11:48] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 783 --> - 1 «« paper »»
[11:48] <+szubaark> crap entry
[11:49] <+fcb98292> Covered all ES Short @ 783 --> - 0.25
[11:51] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 783.25 «« paper »»
[11:51] <+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 784 «« paper »»
[11:52] <+jbuch> Shorts SPY @ 78.75
[11:53] <+jbuch> Covered 1/2 SPY Short @ 78.61 --> + 0.14
[11:54] <+szubaark> exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 783.25 «« paper »»
[11:55] <+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 783 «« paper »»
[11:56] <+jbuch> Covered Remainder SPY Short @ 78.59 --> + 0.16
[11:57] <+szubaark> its trying hard to shake me out
[11:58] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.61
[11:58] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 783 --> + 0.25 «« paper »»
[11:58] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Archived trade posting chat logs have a new location. They are now stored @ viewforum.php?f=20
[11:59] <+jbuch> Exited 1/2 SPY Long @ 78.74 --> + 0.13
[12:00] <+jbuch> Exited 1/4 SPY Long @ 78.78 --> + 0.17
[12:01] <+szubaark> nice jb
[12:02] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 783.25 «« paper »»
[12:11] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 784.25 --> - 1 «« paper »»
[12:13] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 783.50 «« paper »»
[12:13] <+jbuch> Exited Remainder SPY Long @ 78.74 --> + 0.13
[12:18] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 784.50 --> - 1 «« paper »»
[12:23] <+szubaark> Buys ES @ 786 «« paper »»
[12:24] <+jbuch> Shorts SPY @ 78.99
[12:25] <+jbuch> Covered all SPY Short @ 70.02 --> + 8.97
[12:26] <+jbuch> Shorts SPY @ 79.02
[12:27] <+jbuch> Covered all SPY Short @ 78.91 --> + 0.11
[12:30] <+szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 785 --> - 1 «« paper »»
[12:30] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 785 «« paper »»
[12:32] <+jbuch> had a renetry at 78.99 touched it but didn't fill
[12:38] <+szubaark> damn still wants higher
[12:38] <+jbuch> Shorts SPY @ 79
[12:39] <+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 786.50 «« paper »»
[12:39] <+szubaark> needs to go down NOW or im out
[12:41] <+jbuch> Covered 1/2 SPY Short @ 78.9 --> + 0.1
[12:42] <+jbuch> Covered 1/4 SPY Short @ 78.82 --> + 0.18
[12:46] <+jbuch> Covered Remainder SPY Short @ 78.91 --> + 0.09
[12:48] <+jbuch> Shorts SPY @ 78.89
[12:52] <+jbuch> there we go
[12:53] <+jbuch> maybe not
[12:57] <+jbuch> Covered all SPY Short @ 78.75 --> + 0.14
[12:59] <+jbuch> classic 10 minutes of stress and as soon as I get out it goes in my direction
[13:00] <+szubaark> even trading with trend during lunchtime can be tough
[13:03] <+jbuch> yup I don't have the required patience for when the market drags
[13:07] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.59
[13:13] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 783 --> + 2 «« paper »»
[13:14] <+jbuch> Exited all SPY Long @ 78.57 --> - 0.02
[13:14] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.56
[13:14] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 782.50 «« paper »»
[13:14] <+jbuch> Exited 1/2 SPY Long @ 78.68 --> + 0.12
[13:15] <+jbuch> to quick to post
[13:17] <+jbuch> Exited Remainder SPY Long @ 78.59 --> + 0.03
[13:21] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 782.25 --> + 0.25 «« paper »»
[13:21] <+szubaark> too chicken of a bounce here
[13:22] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.61
[13:23] <+jbuch> Exited all SPY Long @ 78.6 --> - 0.01
[13:25] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.60
[13:27] <+jbuch> Exited 1/2 SPY Long @ 78.79 --> + 0.19
[13:29] <+jbuch> Exited 1/4 SPY Long @ 78.85 --> + 0.25
[13:29] <+rickf> back
[13:29] <+jbuch> Exited Remainder SPY Long @ 78.79 --> + 0.19
[13:38] <+codehead> long 781.00 ES <paper>
[13:41] <+codehead> exit half +1.25 ES <paper>
[13:41] <+codehead> stop remainder 779.75 <paper>
[13:42] <+codehead> raise stop 781.50 <paper>
[13:42] <+codehead> exit remainder +1.00 <paper>
[13:42] <+codehead> taking too long, could test 780
[13:43] <+codehead> 778.50 breakdown, we prolly head to 772.50
[13:45] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 781 «« paper »»
[13:47] <+codehead> long 778.75 ES <paper>
[13:48] <+codehead> exit half ES +1.00 <paper>
[13:48] <+codehead> exit +.50 <paper>
[13:49] <+codehead> loss of 778.50 means lower...
[13:49] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 780 --> + 1 «« paper »»
[13:49] <+szubaark> too chicken to hold..
[13:52] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.36
[13:52] <+jbuch> Exited all SPY Long @ 78.34 --> - 0.02
[13:53] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.35
[13:59] <+codehead> long small ES 779.00 <paper>
[13:59] <+codehead> 777.75 stop
[14:00] <+jbuch> Exited all SPY Long @ 78.29 --> - 0.06
[14:00] <+codehead> exit exit -.50 <paper>
[14:01] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Archived trade posting chat logs have a new location. They are now stored @ viewforum.php?f=20
[14:02] <+codehead> long 1c ES 779.25 <paper>
[14:02] <+codehead> 777.75 stop
[14:03] <+codehead> 775.50 stop
[14:03] <+codehead> 777.50
[14:03] <+codehead> no 777.75 sheesh
[14:04] <+codehead> 781.75 target first
[14:07] <+codehead> exit +.75 <paper>
[14:12] <+codehead> 781.75 hit
[14:14] <+rickf> short es 783.25
[14:14] <+jbuch> Shorts SPY @ 78.69
[14:17] <+rickf> exit es 781.75 +1.50
[14:18] <+jbuch> Covered all SPY Short @ 78.62 --> + 0.07
[14:24] <@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 782.00 -> small size
[14:24] <@NihabaAshi> 2 only
[14:24] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.57
[14:25] <@NihabaAshi>
[14:25] <@NihabaAshi> Exited all ES Long @ 782.25 --> + 0.25
[14:26] <@NihabaAshi> I have questionable data...one source showed something differernt in comparison to my other data source...decided it was best to dump it.
[14:26] <+rickf> smart
[14:27] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 781.00 -> small size
[14:27] <@NihabaAshi> 2 only
[14:28] <@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 780.25 --> + 0.75
[14:31] <+jbuch> Exited all SPY Long @ 78.55 --> - 0.02
[14:31] <+jbuch> late
[14:31] <+jbuch> took a couple of other trades in there
[14:34] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.31
[14:35] <+jbuch> Exited 1/2 SPY Long @ 78.49 --> + 0.18
[14:37] <+rickf> wonder if we get a bump up into the close and tomorrow as end-of-month-and-quarter window dressing trades?
[14:39] <+jbuch> Exited Remainder SPY Long @ 78.39 --> + 0.08
[14:43] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.17
[14:44] <+jbuch> Exited all SPY Long @ 78.14 --> - 0.03
[14:45] <+szubaark> price retraces just enough to shake you out of a good entry
[14:58] <+jbuch> Shorts SPY @ 78.13
[14:58] <+jbuch> chasing
[15:00] <+fcb98292> Shorts ES @ 777
[15:00] <+jbuch> Covered 3/4 SPY Short @ 77.97 --> + 0.16
[15:00] <+fcb98292> late, ISP
[15:01] <@NihabaAshi> Crazy proposal...split the auto makers into parts...sell the bad parts (auto) to europe...
[15:01] <@NihabaAshi> Keep the other parts and make them like a healthcare company
[15:01] <+fcb98292> target 770
[15:02] <@NihabaAshi> Just great...GM my medical and dental provider
[15:03] <@NihabaAshi> Let Aetna buy them then.
[15:03] <@NihabaAshi> Heck...let the UAW purchase them and make it a truly employee owned company.
[15:04] <+jbuch> Covered Remainder SPY Short @ 78.05 --> + 0.08
[15:04] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.04
[15:04] <@NihabaAshi> Crazy proposals if the government purchases them.
[15:05] <+codehead> vegas on 3 min formed...
[15:05] <+jbuch> Exited 3/4 SPY Long @ 78.14 --> + 0.1
[15:05] <+jbuch> late
[15:06] <+jbuch> Exited Remainder SPY Long @ 78.05 --> + 0.01
[15:07] <+codehead> vegas and inverted ghost on 3 min ES, szu
[15:19] <gabe> Shorts ES @ 780.50
[15:20] <+rickf> GM already is a health care company -- biggest expense they have
[15:21] <+gabe> Covered all ES Short @ 780.00 --> + 0.5
[15:23] <+rickf> wow ... the APR 11 put on Wells Fargo has 128K volume .... the next closest strike is 26K on the April 10s
[15:23] <+rickf> that's a huge difference
[15:24] <+rickf> short es 782.25
[15:26] <+jbuch> Shorts SPY @ 78.65
[15:27] <+rickf> exit 782 +.25
[15:28] <+rickf> FIGURES
[15:28] <+rickf>
[15:28] <+jbuch> Covered 3/4 SPY Short @ 78.51 --> + 0.14
[15:31] <+rickf> ok guys done for the day - going to go hook up the new tivo
[15:31] <+rickf> see you tomorrow
[15:31] <winmax60> Long ES @ 781.75 -> small size «« simulator »»
[15:31] <+jbuch> Covered Remainder SPY Short @ 78.51 --> + 0.14
[15:37] <+jbuch> Long SPY @ 78.6 -> small size
[15:37] <+winmax60> Exited all ES Long @ 783.25 --> + 1.5 «« simulator »»
[15:38] <+jbuch> Exited all SPY Long @ 78.73 --> + 0.13
[15:40] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 780.25 «« paper »»
[15:40] <+szubaark> exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 780.25 «« paper »»
[15:41] <+szubaark> end of day so keeping it tight
[15:41] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 779.25 -> small size
[15:41] <@NihabaAshi> 2 only
[15:41] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 780.25 --> 0 «« paper »»
[15:41] <+szubaark>
[15:41] <@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 780.25 --> - 1
[15:42] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 780.25 -> small size
[15:42] <@NihabaAshi> 780.25 is that entry I should have shorted on the prior trade
[15:42] <+szubaark> i got it they still shook me out
[15:43] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 779.75 «« paper »»
[15:43] <+szubaark> trying again after getting shaken out on Good entry
[15:43] <tomosyn57> Shorts SSO @ 19.2
[15:44] <@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 780.00 --> + 0.25
[15:44] <+szubaark> its a wild bronco
[15:45] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 781.25 --> - 1.5 «« paper »»
[15:45] <+szubaark>
(((((([15:45] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 780.50 «« paper »»
[15:45] <+szubaark> trying 3rd time
[15:46] <@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 780.75 -> small size
[15:46] <@NihabaAshi> 2 only
[15:46] <+szubaark> uh huh
[15:47] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 781.50 --> - 1 «« paper »»
[15:47] <+szubaark>
([15:47] <+tomosyn57> Covered all SSO Short @ 19.24 --> - 0.04
[15:48] <@NihabaAshi> Exited all ES Long @ 781.00 --> + 0.25
[15:48] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 780.50 «« paper »»
[15:48] <@NihabaAshi> tear in my eye now
[15:48] <+szubaark> 4th time
[15:48] <+tomosyn57> Shorts SSO @ 19.21
[15:50] <+tomosyn57> Covered all SSO Short @ 19.22 --> - 0.01
[15:50] <+szubaark> end of day games
[15:50] <@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 781.25 -> small size
[15:50] <@NihabaAshi> 2 only
[15:50] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 782.50 --> - 2 «« paper »»
[15:50] <@NihabaAshi> intuition after getting rudely shaken out of the prior Long
[15:50] <+szubaark> Buys ES @ 782.50 «« paper »»
[15:52] <+tomosyn57> Long SSO @ 19.35
[15:52] <+tomosyn57> exit stop set SSO @ 19.37
[15:52] <@NihabaAshi> Exited all ES Long @ 783.50 --> + 2.25
[15:53] <+tomosyn57> Trailing Stop Hit SSO @ 19.37 --> + 0.02
[15:53] <+szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 782.75 --> + 0.25 «« paper »»
[15:53] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 782.75 «« paper »»
[15:53] <+szubaark> intuition
[15:54] <+szubaark> u got the Stops, now go down
[15:55] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 784.25 --> - 1.5 «« paper »»
[15:55] <+szubaark> Buys ES @ 784.50 «« paper »»
[15:55] <+szubaark> GO!!!!!!!
[15:56] <+szubaark> crap, gave all profits back in that Chop
[15:57] <+szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 783.25 --> - 1.25 «« paper »»
[15:57] <+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 783.25 «« paper »»
[16:00] <+szubaark>
[16:03] <+szubaark> i neeed 6 ES Points to breakeven after commissions
[16:05] <+szubaark> gave day profits back REAL QUICK in that frikin CHOP
[16:07] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Archived trade posting chat logs have a new location. They are now stored @ viewforum.php?f=20
[16:08] <+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 784.50 --> - 1.25 «« paper »»
[16:08] <+szubaark> got caught end of day
[16:13] <+szubaark> great day UNTIL Chop showed up end of day
[18:01] <@NihabaAshi> Take care all and see all tomorrow
[18:01] <+fcb98292> later
[18:13] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Archived trade posting chat logs have a new location. They are now stored @ viewforum.php?f=20
Session Close: Mon Mar 30 18:33:16 2009