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 Post subject: September 30th Thursday - Futures, ETFs and Forex Currencies
 Post Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:45 am 
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Posted by M.A. Perry
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Session Start: Thu Sep 30 07:14:58 2010
Session Ident: #FuturesTrades
[07:14:58] * Now talking in #FuturesTrades
[07:14:58] <@X> [NihabaAshi] Announcement: The new trade posting script v3.7 (replaces v3.6) is posted at your forum in the "Announcements" thread.
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[08:44:28] <@wrbtrader> Looks like another BIG GAP at the Open on the regular session charts :(
[08:51:04] <Time4now> oh yeah, you mentioned not wanting this
[08:54:34] <+Time4now> hard not to happen with 3 news events at the same time
[08:54:43] <@wrbtrader> Yep
[09:06:24] <@wrbtrader> Light Crude Oil CL futures on fire this morning since a key bullish signal around 5am est
[09:07:24] <@wrbtrader> Geeesh...so far in 2010 the best trade signals in futures are appearing in the overnight trading session in comparison to the regular hours trading session
[09:07:49] <@wrbtrader> Maybe there's less competition :)
[09:07:54] <@wrbtrader> seriously
[09:09:41] <+Time4now> but where are the traders? at that time?
[09:09:55] <+Time4now> very little volume
[09:11:00] <+Time4now> unless you mean from 830 et
[09:11:51] <@wrbtrader> I don't have volume on my charts...
[09:12:20] <@wrbtrader> Actual price movement upwards beginned around 5am est this morning in Light Crude Oil CL futures
[09:12:27] <Inertia> the move in oil started around 5AM EST
[09:12:32] <+Inertia> :)
[09:13:01] <+Inertia> several hours after better than expected news from the UK and Germany
[09:13:31] <@wrbtrader> Looks like volatility in Oil started increasing around 6:12am est
[09:13:58] <+Inertia> actually 6:12AM and 27 seconds :0
[09:14:06] <+Inertia> but seriously
[09:14:15] <@wrbtrader> I'm going to put volume on my Oil charts to see what it looks like in comparison to my volatility analysis...
[09:14:22] <@wrbtrader> Haven't used volume in many years.
[09:14:33] <+Inertia> curencies sometimes lead other instruments
[09:14:50] <+Inertia> expecially at turning points
[09:14:51] <+Time4now> i think you are doing fine without it
[09:15:41] <+Inertia> Vol is a strange beast. you can explain a lot of things woth volume - after the fact
[09:15:53] <+Inertia> woth=with
[09:16:38] <+Inertia> news @ 9:45 and Bernanke talks @ 10
[09:17:08] <@wrbtrader> weird...I can only plot volume on the daily charts and not the intraday charts...
[09:17:10] <+Inertia> why can;t he talk before the open or after the close
[09:17:13] <@wrbtrader> now I feel stupid :)
[09:17:28] <@wrbtrader> must be clicking the wrong button :)
[09:18:16] <@wrbtrader> just took a quick peak at Options on Oil...
[09:18:24] <@wrbtrader> Looks exciting
[09:20:28] <+Inertia> from 8AM till now TF has a bigger range than all of yesterday
[09:21:04] <@wrbtrader> wow
[09:25:11] <+Time4now> i kept looking up colgate instead of crude, it's early
[09:29:25] <@wrbtrader> :)
[09:30:37] <drt> gm
[09:36:37] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 680.30 -> small size
[09:36:41] <@wrbtrader> 1 only
[09:39:02] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 680.00 -> Add
[09:39:13] <@wrbtrader> 2 added
[09:40:09] <@wrbtrader> trailing @ profit
[09:40:13] <+Inertia> news in 5
[09:40:35] <@wrbtrader> Yeah...I'm hoping I can get my target before the price action reacts to the pending news
[09:40:59] <+Inertia> i just noticed that Bernanke talks @2:30PM as well.
[09:41:23] <+Inertia> I do much better on newsless days
[09:41:54] <+Inertia> or days in which the news occur b4 the open
[09:42:00] <JimL1> Shorts TF @ 679.1 «« simulator »»
[09:42:02] <@wrbtrader> Covered 2/3 TF Short @ 678.50 --> + 1.5
[09:42:03] <+JimL1> 3
[09:42:21] <@wrbtrader> Covered Remainder TF Short @ 680.00 --> + 0.3
[09:42:26] <@wrbtrader> punks
[09:42:35] <+JimL1> Covered 2/3 TF Short @ 678.5 --> + 0.6 «« simulator »»
[09:42:46] <@wrbtrader> now you know why I had a fear of the today's news
[09:42:48] <+JimL1> Covered Remainder TF Short @ 678.7 --> + 0.4 «« simulator »»
[09:42:58] <@wrbtrader> They're going to fight hard to keep this up
[09:43:21] <+JimL1> watching dx for direction confirmation
[09:43:38] <@wrbtrader> I also have problems yesterday with my remainders getting "picked pocketed"
[09:44:05] <+Inertia> looks like a leak
[09:45:45] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 683.00 -> medium size
[09:45:52] <@wrbtrader> chasing by a full point
[09:45:59] <+Inertia> currencies don't agree with this up move
[09:46:08] <@wrbtrader> may get a lucky escape
[09:48:30] <@wrbtrader> geeesh
[09:49:10] <@wrbtrader> Exited 1/2 TF Long @ 683.20 --> + 0.2
[09:49:26] <@wrbtrader> Exited Remainder TF Long @ 682.80 --> - 0.2
[09:49:46] <+Inertia> i'll wait until after Bernanke talks for a while
[09:49:55] <@wrbtrader> came within 3 ticks of a target :(
[09:55:11] <+JimL1> Long TF @ 691.12 «« simulator »»
[09:55:27] <+JimL1> Exited 1/2 TF Long @ 691.6 --> + 0.48 «« simulator »»
[09:56:01] <+Inertia> Long IWM @ 68.35
[09:56:09] <+JimL1> Exited Remainder TF Long @ 682.1 --> - 9.02 «« simulator »»
[09:56:56] <+Inertia> Exited 1/2 IWM Long @ 68.45 --> + 0.1
[09:57:31] <+JimL1> Shorts TF @ 682.2 «« simulator »»
[09:57:32] <+JimL1> 2
[09:57:38] <+Inertia> Exited Remainder IWM Long @ 68.37 --> + 0.02
[09:58:08] <+JimL1> Covered 1/2 TF Short @ 681.8 --> + 0.4 «« simulator »»
[09:58:28] <+JimL1> Covered Remainder TF Short @ 681.7 --> + 0.5 «« simulator »»
[10:00:54] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for traders of Emini Futures (EMD, TF, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (6E, EC), Eurex/Euronext Futures (DAX, ESTX50, FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM), Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, XLE, QQQQ, SPY) and Forex Currencies
[10:02:55] <@wrbtrader> Emini TF testing support
[10:03:34] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 678.60 -> small size
[10:03:38] <@wrbtrader> 2 only
[10:03:40] <@wrbtrader> intuition
[10:03:43] <@wrbtrader> support failure
[10:04:33] <@wrbtrader> Covered all TF Short @ 679.10 --> - 0.5
[10:05:09] <@wrbtrader> I've learned...if a fight shows up at support...don't hang around in that Short
[10:05:37] <@wrbtrader> Instead...try to short the counter-thrust back upwards
[10:06:17] <+Time4now> you could develop a large position with that idea
[10:06:20] <@wrbtrader> mid point of the key price area
[10:06:52] <@wrbtrader> resistance @ 681.00
[10:07:21] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 679.40 -> small size
[10:07:28] <@wrbtrader> 2 only
[10:10:26] <+Inertia> Bernanke did not start talking yet
[10:11:01] <+Time4now> he needs to go put his orders in first
[10:11:13] <+Inertia> this is annoying
[10:11:15] <+Inertia> :))
[10:11:44] <+Inertia> so far the currencies r right about the direction
[10:12:14] <@wrbtrader> Covered all TF Short @ 676.80 --> + 2.6
[10:13:32] <@wrbtrader> Emini TF new support just developed
[10:14:44] <@wrbtrader> moved too fast upwards for me to jump on :(
[10:39:17] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 679.40 -> small size
[10:39:22] <@wrbtrader> 1 only
[10:39:25] <@wrbtrader> choppy
[10:39:31] <@wrbtrader> not going to risk more
[10:41:40] <@wrbtrader> Covered TF Short @ 679.70 --> - 0.3
[10:42:31] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 680.00 -> small size
[10:42:34] <@wrbtrader> 2 only
[10:45:34] <@wrbtrader> Exited all TF Long @ 680.30 --> + 0.3
[10:46:04] <@wrbtrader> I'm just churning...be back later
[10:59:29] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 675.70 -> small size
[10:59:35] <@wrbtrader> 3 only
[11:01:56] <@wrbtrader> Exited all TF Long @ 674.40 --> - 1.3
[11:03:09] <@wrbtrader> Emini TF @ another support
[11:07:25] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 674.50 -> small size
[11:07:55] <@wrbtrader> Exited all TF Long @ 674.20 --> - 0.3
[11:09:15] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 673.20 -> small size
[11:10:29] <@wrbtrader> obvious support failure
[11:10:40] <@wrbtrader> However...will the volatility remain
[11:12:13] <@wrbtrader> Covered all TF Short @ 672.90 --> + 0.3
[11:13:40] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 673.60 -> small size
[11:13:48] <@wrbtrader> 3 again
[11:14:46] <@wrbtrader> sliced below on very few ticks :(
[11:15:12] <@wrbtrader> Exited all TF Long @ 673.00 --> - 0.6
[11:15:27] <@wrbtrader> more thin going down and more thick going up through the levels
[11:16:12] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 672.60 -> large size
[11:16:17] <@wrbtrader> 6 only
[11:17:40] <@wrbtrader> Covered 1/3 TF Short @ 672.00 --> + 0.6
[11:18:06] <@wrbtrader> Covered 1/3 TF Short @ 672.50 --> + 0.1
[11:19:43] <@wrbtrader> Covered Remainder TF Short @ 672.40 --> + 0.2
[11:19:51] <@wrbtrader> chop city
[11:20:49] <@wrbtrader> got caught getting greedy when it dropped below 672
[11:23:50] <@wrbtrader> support failure
[11:24:08] <@wrbtrader> it's fighting hard to keep from dropping more
[11:25:23] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 670.20 -> medium size
[11:26:24] <@wrbtrader> support around 669.00
[11:27:25] <@wrbtrader> tighten stop loss...chop showed up again :(
[11:27:55] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for traders of Emini Futures (EMD, TF, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (6E, EC), Eurex/Euronext Futures (DAX, ESTX50, FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM), Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, XLE, QQQQ, SPY) and Forex Currencies
[11:29:36] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 670.50 -> Add
[11:30:50] <@wrbtrader> Covered 1/2 TF Short @ 670.00 --> + 0.5
[11:31:48] <@wrbtrader> trying hard to stay in this trade for a break below 669
[11:34:53] <@wrbtrader> :(
[11:36:22] <@wrbtrader> Covered TF Short @ 667.90 --> + 2.3
[11:36:22] <+Inertia> so far so good
[11:36:24] <@wrbtrader> Holding 1 contract remainder
[11:36:51] <+Inertia> 664 area is next support
[11:37:03] <@wrbtrader> geeesh...look at the bounce...why didn't it do that a few trades ago when I was Long :(
[11:37:51] <@wrbtrader> Covered Remainder TF Short @ 669.20 --> + 1
[11:38:59] <@wrbtrader> I finally got exceeded my profit goal for the day...
[11:39:06] <@wrbtrader> Hard work
[11:39:42] <@wrbtrader> bullish now but there's no support from other key markets
[11:39:53] <@wrbtrader> knock on wood
[11:40:08] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 669.80 -> small size
[11:40:12] <@wrbtrader> 2 only
[11:40:14] <@wrbtrader> intuition
[11:44:25] <@wrbtrader> Exited all TF Long @ 671.30 --> + 1.5
[11:45:10] <codehead> NQ .382 is 2000.50
[11:45:35] <@wrbtrader> volatility slowly decreasing...reason why I've been reducing my position size after peaking at 6 contracts on one trade
[11:52:45] <+Time4now> up move was my only trade of the day
[12:13:25] <@wrbtrader> Emini TF testing support
[12:48:46] <+Time4now> moving towards the gap
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[13:11:51] <+codehead> short NQ 1999.25 <paper>10 tick stop
[13:12:11] <+codehead> a little iffy, signal not ready, trying res
[13:12:46] <+codehead> not trading yet today, neck pain, just got back outta bed
[13:13:13] <+codehead> pinched sumthin
[13:17:08] <+codehead> eating at res
[13:18:22] <+codehead> exit NQ flat <paper>
[13:18:28] <+codehead> shoulda waited for res test
[13:21:57] <+codehead> short NQ 2000.00 <paper> 1c only stop 2001.75
[13:22:17] <+codehead> may retest after small pb
[13:26:27] <+codehead> short frame could turn up again--indeed, the pb was small so far
[13:29:20] <+codehead> stopped 1c NQ -1.75 <paper>
[13:49:04] <+codehead> long frame could turn back down
[14:14:07] <+codehead> NQ tapped .382 exact and bounced
[14:14:12] <+codehead> 94.5 and 93.50 a biggie area
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[14:36:12] <+codehead> 2006 is .500
[14:39:51] <+Inertia> IT IS ALSO THE pmo
[14:39:59] <+Inertia> sorry
[14:40:15] <+Inertia> caps locked
[15:18:30] <@wrbtrader> Light Crude Oil CL futures took a breather between 9am - 12pm est...
[15:18:43] <@wrbtrader> After that it has been more up movement
[15:21:48] <@wrbtrader> Emini TF stalling within a key price area
[15:30:29] <@wrbtrader> Emini TF Range is 677.00 - 674.00
[15:41:02] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 674.00 -> small size
[15:41:07] <@wrbtrader> 1 only
[15:41:26] <@wrbtrader> volatility still too low on the price breakout
[15:41:43] <@wrbtrader> had it been a volatility breakout + price breakout...
[15:41:51] <@wrbtrader> I would have increased my position size
[15:42:53] <@wrbtrader> Covered TF Short @ 674.00 --> 0
[15:43:51] <@wrbtrader> I smelled more chop :(
[15:44:51] <+Inertia> we have lots of news 2morrow.I don't think we r going to move too far from this area 2day
[15:46:10] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 673.60 -> small size
[15:46:16] <@wrbtrader> 3 only
[15:46:19] <@wrbtrader> volatility increasing
[15:48:15] <@wrbtrader> tighten stop loss...it's stalling :(
[15:48:51] <@wrbtrader> Covered all TF Short @ 673.30 --> + 0.3
[15:49:00] <@wrbtrader> bullish now
[15:50:05] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 674.10 -> small size
[15:50:09] <@wrbtrader> 2 only
[15:50:11] <@wrbtrader> intuition
[15:50:26] <@wrbtrader> back inside the prior low volatility tight trading range
[15:51:35] <@wrbtrader> Top of the down channel here
[15:52:51] <@wrbtrader> trailing @ profit
[15:54:38] <@wrbtrader> Exited all TF Long @ 674.50 --> + 0.4
[15:55:09] <@wrbtrader> geeesh...not trying to get ticks but the volatility has no follow through
[15:55:49] <+Time4now> stuck within the opening gap in tf
[15:57:30] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 675.10 -> small size
[15:57:37] <@wrbtrader> 3 only
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[15:59:02] <@wrbtrader> Exited all TF Long @ 674.80 --> - 0.3
[15:59:25] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 674.50 -> small size
[15:59:32] <@wrbtrader> 3 only
[16:00:58] <daytrader99> good day everyone
[16:02:17] <@wrbtrader> Covered all TF Short @ 673.80 --> + 0.7
[16:04:15] <@wrbtrader> I got completely caught off guard on the spike down after my short entry...
[16:04:39] <+Time4now> target hit i suppose
[16:04:40] <@wrbtrader> by the time I started thinking exit around 673...it bounced back up too damn fast
[16:05:22] <+Time4now> my iog low was 673.4
[16:05:39] <+Time4now> it refused to stay bellow it
[16:06:24] <+Time4now> all in all, good day to be a part of
[16:07:34] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 673.50 -> small size
[16:07:41] <@wrbtrader> 2 only
[16:07:44] <@wrbtrader> intuition
[16:09:54] <@wrbtrader> Covered all TF Short @ 673.10 --> + 0.4
[16:10:57] <@wrbtrader> Only reason why I continue trading after 4pm est...was very close to reaching my profit goal for the day.
[16:11:04] <@wrbtrader> finally got it
[16:14:17] <+Time4now> sweet
[16:18:55] <+Time4now> bye all
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Session Close: Thu Sep 30 18:35:26 2010

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