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 Post subject: May 24th Monday - Futures, ETFs and Forex Currencies
 Post Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 4:17 pm 
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#FuturesTrades is free along with being a serious professional trading chat room and any trader can use the chat room to post their trades or commentaries involving futures, exchange traded funds or forex currencies.

This is not a signal calling chat room nor is the chat room designed to be educational. #FuturesTrades is designed to be a trade journal for documentation purposes only so that members can have a time stamp archive of trades and market commentaries of each trading day so that they can better understand their broker statements from one trade to the next trade when they review their performance numbers on any given trading day. Yet, you will see members providing useful trading tips that may or may not help with your trading.

Therefore, we welcome all traders with their own methods or different perspective of the markets as long as they do not violate our Terms of Use (TOU) Policy.

Thanks for reading the trades or market commentaries that's below and it's highly recommend you make reading of the logs a part of your trading routine because you will sometimes find useful trading tips not discussed anywhere else online nor in any books.

Posted by M.A. Perry
Trader and Founder of WRB Analysis (wide range body analysis)

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Session Start: Mon May 24 09:28:31 2010
Session Ident: #FuturesTrades
[09:28] * Now talking in #FuturesTrades
[09:28] <@X> [NihabaAshi] Announcement: The new trade posting script v3.7 (replaces v3.6) is posted at your forum in the "Announcements" thread.
[09:29] <rickf> gm all
[09:29] <+rickf> happy victoria day to our brethren in the great white north
[09:30] <Inertia> thank u
[09:30] <pat255> gm all
[09:30] <drt> gm
[09:30] <+Inertia> good morning, bonjour, goedemorgen, buongiorno, buenos dias, boker tov
[09:33] <@wrbtrader> I got some early morning data problems in the key markets I follow (e.g. Oil, Gold, DAX, ZN, VXX
[09:33] <@wrbtrader> Thus, I'll be trading TF with one eye and one arm and one leg today :)
[09:33] <@wrbtrader> Will reduce my overall position size to minimize the risk as much as possible.
[09:34] <+pat255> lol hmmm data problems are real pain..
[09:35] <+rickf> i'm trying to see how ToS differs from NT and Zenfire at a different broker today
[09:35] <Time4now> not as painful as money problems
[09:39] <+rickf> short es 1084.25 paper
[09:40] <+rickf> exit es 1081.50 paper + 2.75 paper
[09:44] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 644.00 -> medium size
[09:44] <@wrbtrader> 4 only
[09:44] <@wrbtrader> punks
[09:44] <@wrbtrader> feel like a slug this morning without my other charts :(
[09:46] <@wrbtrader> Covered all TF Short @ 644.50 --> - 0.5
[09:46] <+rickf> NT started talkign to me when i placed that trade ... creepy
[09:47] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 643.40 -> medium size
[09:47] <+Inertia> u can modify the voice prompts or eliminate them
[09:48] <+rickf> yeah i just found out how :)
[09:48] <+pat255> existing home sales 10
[09:48] <@wrbtrader> Exited all TF Long @ 645.10 --> + 1.7
[09:48] <+Time4now> est
[09:48] <+pat255> vn N
[09:48] <+rickf> wtg
[09:49] <@wrbtrader> that was a trade error but I'll take any luck I can get
[09:50] <Sidhartha> crikey... the shadows hard huge
[09:50] <+Sidhartha> are huge
[09:50] <MrYinYangTrader> Shorts TF @ 644.5
[09:50] <+MrYinYangTrader> Covered all TF Short @ 644 --> + 0.5
[09:50] <+MrYinYangTrader> Long TF @ 644
[09:52] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 645.20 -> small size
[09:52] <@wrbtrader> 3 only
[09:54] <+pat255> TF as usual violent moves
[09:55] <@wrbtrader> Exited all TF Long @ 643.80 --> - 1.4
[09:57] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 644.80 -> small size
[09:58] <+rickf> news soon
[09:58] <+pat255> y
[09:59] <@wrbtrader> tighten trail
[10:00] <@wrbtrader> trailing @ profit
[10:00] <+rickf> better than expected
[10:00] <+MrYinYangTrader> thks rick
[10:00] <+rickf> ;)
[10:01] <@wrbtrader> Exited all TF Long @ 645.20 --> + 0.4
[10:02] <+MrYinYangTrader> Exited all TF Long @ 644 --> 0
[10:02] <+Inertia> existing home sales up
[10:03] <+Sidhartha> seems a lot of confusion on price action... big shadows all over
[10:04] <+MrYinYangTrader> choppy
[10:05] <+Inertia> the market has its period
[10:05] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 644.30 -> medium size
[10:05] <@wrbtrader> 4 only
[10:05] <@wrbtrader> trailing @ profit
[10:06] <+rickf> geesh
[10:06] <@wrbtrader> 646.50 acting like resistance area
[10:09] <@wrbtrader> twilight zone trade from hell :(
[10:09] <+rickf> doo doo doo doo....
[10:09] <+rickf> picture a market crazy beyond all rhyme or reason. you've left the CME and entered .... the Modern Market
[10:10] <+rickf> Rod Serling was a trader I bet :)
[10:10] <@wrbtrader> Exited 1/2 TF Long @ 646.50 --> + 2.2
[10:11] <@wrbtrader> data vendors must be getting a lot of phone calls this morning by customers asking if there's something wrong with their TF data :)
[10:12] <+pat255> IB dont call they just dont answer or will take 1/2 hr
[10:13] <@wrbtrader> Exited TF Long @ 647.10 --> + 2.8
[10:13] <@wrbtrader> Holding 1 contract remainder
[10:13] <+pat255> geez good entry N
[10:13] <+drt> ib data problems? none at hong kong server.
[10:14] <+pat255> i ,eam if u ever have any problem IB is the worst
[10:15] <@wrbtrader> Exited Remainder TF Long @ 648.50 --> + 4.2
[10:15] <+rickf> vvn
[10:16] <@wrbtrader> Just in time because TF has made me nauseous :(
[10:16] <@wrbtrader> That's what happens when forced to only watch TF and nothing else due to data problems
[10:17] <+rickf> :(
[10:18] <@wrbtrader> My data problems are the following...I'm getting quotes for the other markets...about every 3 - 5mins and then it'll last about 1min before stopping again
[10:18] <@wrbtrader> There's a bottle neck somewhere
[10:18] <+rickf> wow
[10:22] <@X> #FuturesTrades Purpose -> Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended. More info about the chat room @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/ftchat/forum
[10:26] <+drt> test for packet loss
[10:30] <+Inertia> check the wires. maybe they are kinked
[10:46] <+rickf> back in a bit
[10:57] <+Inertia> buy stop to enter long TF @ 649.5 «« simulator »»
[11:00] <+Inertia> cancelled all open stop orders «« simulator »»
[11:01] <+Inertia> Long TF @ 647.1 «« simulator »»
[11:02] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 646.60 -> small size
[11:02] <@wrbtrader> 2 only
[11:04] <@wrbtrader> Covered all TF Short @ 647.10 --> - 0.5
[11:05] <+Inertia> Exited all TF Long @ 647.3 --> + 0.2 «« simulator »»
[11:05] <codehead> overhead, obvious major res on NQ at 1848-49 and 1068.25-.50
[11:10] <+Inertia> Long TF @ 648.5 «« simulator »»
[11:13] <+Time4now> long tf 647.7
[11:15] <+Inertia> Exited all TF Long @ 646.3 --> - 2.2 «« simulator »»
[11:16] <+Inertia> Shorts TF @ 646 «« simulator »»
[11:16] * +Time4now exit tf 646
[11:24] <+Inertia> Covered all TF Short @ 647.7 --> - 1.7 «« simulator »»
[11:26] <+Inertia> Shorts TF @ 646.4 «« simulator »»
[11:30] <+MrYinYangTrader> Long TF @ 646.20
[11:33] <+Inertia> Covered all TF Short @ 646.1 --> + 0.3 «« simulator »»
[11:37] <+MrYinYangTrader> i feel laggy
[11:50] <+MrYinYangTrader> hold these 2 contract
[11:50] <+MrYinYangTrader> maybe to 760
[11:50] <+MrYinYangTrader> 660 i mean
[11:51] <+MrYinYangTrader> this hammer on 3min charts doesn't look good though
[11:52] <@X> #FuturesTrades Purpose -> Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended. More info about the chat room @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/ftchat/forum
[12:13] <+MrYinYangTrader> stop moved to 649,4
[12:15] <+MrYinYangTrader> i meant 649.20
[12:40] <+MrYinYangTrader> Exited all TF Long @ 649.20 --> + 3
[12:41] <+MrYinYangTrader> just got back seems like we are not getting any follow thru
[12:48] <+rickf> back
[13:12] <+Inertia> Long TF @ 648.1 «« simulator »»
[13:15] <+Inertia> Exited all TF Long @ 647.1 --> - 1 «« simulator »»
[13:19] <@X> #FuturesTrades Purpose -> Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended. More info about the chat room @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/ftchat/forum
[13:25] <+Inertia> Long TF @ 647.4 «« simulator »»
[13:26] <+Inertia> Exited all TF Long @ 648.4 --> + 1 «« simulator »»
[13:36] <@wrbtrader> TF weak support zone
[13:38] <+Inertia> nyse vol is very low 2day
[13:38] <@wrbtrader> Long TF @ 647.00 -> small size
[13:38] <@wrbtrader> 1 only
[13:39] <+Inertia> Shorts TF @ 647 «« simulator »»
[13:40] <+Inertia> Covered all TF Short @ 646.6 --> + 0.4 «« simulator »»
[13:41] <+codehead> support NQ 1826.50
[13:41] <@wrbtrader> Exited TF Long @ 647.40 --> + 0.4
[13:42] <+codehead> NQ taking a little bounce off .500 retracement
[13:42] <+codehead> 1826.50 is a target on the downside
[13:44] <+Inertia> Shorts TF @ 647 «« simulator »»
[13:45] <+Inertia> Covered 1/2 TF Short @ 646.6 --> + 0.4 «« simulator »»
[13:45] <+Inertia> Covered Remainder TF Short @ 646.5 --> + 0.5 «« simulator »»
[13:46] <+Inertia> Shorts TF @ 646.2 «« simulator »»
[13:47] <+Inertia> Covered all TF Short @ 646.2 --> 0 «« simulator »»
[13:48] <+rickf> long es 1083.25 paper
[13:52] <+codehead> long ES 1080.75 <paper>
[13:52] <+codehead> 1080.50 first support
[13:53] <+codehead> exit half ES +.75 <paper>
[13:54] <+codehead> having trouble getting thru 1081.75
[13:54] <+codehead> stop b/e remainder ES <paper>
[13:55] <+codehead> exit remainder ES +1.25 <paper>
[13:58] <+MrYinYangTrader> Long TF @ 646.6
[14:03] <+Inertia> Shorts TF @ 647 «« simulator »»
[14:04] <+rickf> exit es 1081.50 -1.75 paper
[14:08] <+codehead> 1830.00 a support on NQ, see if it can hold
[14:09] <+Inertia> Covered all TF Short @ 648.2 --> - 1.2 «« simulator »»
[14:09] <+codehead> if that holds, the intermediate term can reverse back up in a bit
[14:10] <+codehead> near term a little buying
[14:10] <+MrYinYangTrader> its a boring day today
[14:10] <+MrYinYangTrader> i've been spoiled the last couple of week
[14:10] <+MrYinYangTrader> weeks
[14:15] <+Inertia> Shorts TF @ 649.6 «« simulator »»
[14:15] <+Inertia> Covered all TF Short @ 649.3 --> + 0.3 «« simulator »»
[14:16] <+Inertia> i wish there was an interface between Ninja and mirc so that the trades would be posted automatically
[14:27] <+Inertia> Shorts TF @ 648.2 «« simulator »»
[14:28] <+rickf> must be a vacation day .... 1.6M ES contracts .... a light day. lol
[14:29] <+Inertia> Covered all TF Short @ 648.7 --> - 0.5 «« simulator »»
[14:30] <+Inertia> Long TF @ 648.7 «« simulator »»
[14:34] <+Inertia> Exited 1/2 TF Long @ 649.2 --> + 0.5 «« simulator »»
[14:35] <+Inertia> Exited Remainder TF Long @ 649.7 --> + 1 «« simulator »»
[14:38] <+Inertia> Long TF @ 648.3 «« simulator »»
[14:38] <+rickf> geez chop city
[14:38] <+MrYinYangTrader> Exited Remainder TF Long @ 648.50 --> + 1.9
[14:38] <+MrYinYangTrader> to much chop
[14:39] <+Inertia> Exited all TF Long @ 648.5 --> + 0.2 «« simulator »»
[14:41] <+Inertia> buy stop to enter long TF @ 648.9 «« simulator »»
[14:42] <+Inertia> cancelled all open stop orders «« simulator »»
[14:45] <+Inertia> Shorts TF @ 647.2 «« simulator »»
[14:48] <+Inertia> Covered all TF Short @ 646.8 --> + 0.4 «« simulator »»
[14:49] <@X> #FuturesTrades Purpose -> Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended. More info about the chat room @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/ftchat/forum
[14:52] <+rickf> short es 1080 paper
[14:55] <+Inertia> i better quit while I am still ahead. I don't want to go into a paper margin call
[15:00] <+rickf> last hour
[15:05] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 646.10 -> small size
[15:06] <@wrbtrader> 2 only
[15:06] <+rickf> esit es 1077.75 +2,25 paper
[15:07] <@wrbtrader> Shorts TF @ 645.30 -> Add
[15:07] <@wrbtrader> 1 only
[15:11] <@wrbtrader> Covered 1/3 TF Short @ 645.00 --> + 0.3
[15:13] <@wrbtrader> Covered Remainder TF Short @ 645.90 --> + 0.2
[15:14] <+Inertia> Shorts TF @ 646 «« simulator »»
[15:15] <+Inertia> Covered all TF Short @ 645.8 --> + 0.2 «« simulator »»
[15:33] <JimL1> trying to push the bottom, but we just got intertrim 2x bottom in tf & hi'r lows in ADD, ES & NQ
[15:34] <+JimL1> i shouold have biught instead of typing it
[15:35] <+rickf> no worries, always another trade
[15:35] <+rickf> i'm looking bearish, fwiw saying
[15:36] <+JimL1> i came back to trade the last hr & I'm bored into sleepy (untill that move)
[15:48] <+MrYinYangTrader> Long TF @ 644.60
[15:49] <+MrYinYangTrader> Exited all TF Long @ 644 --> - 0.6
[15:49] <+rickf> sheesh
[15:53] <+JimL1> what a crap sandwich,
[15:54] <+Inertia> rrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[15:54] <+Inertia> i missed this move
[15:55] <+MrYinYangTrader> wow
[15:55] <+MrYinYangTrader> mee too
[15:55] <+Inertia> my better half is paining a room in the basement (this IS watching paint dry)
[15:55] <+Inertia> :)
[15:56] <+Inertia> went to help and the move happened
[15:57] <+MrYinYangTrader> selling into the close is never a good thing
[15:58] <+rickf> tempted to try a long here but want to end the day green
[15:59] <+Inertia> anyway, painting is NOT one of my favourite things
[15:59] <+JimL1> 640 looks to be the top side of the next level of support that reaches down to 626
[16:01] <@wrbtrader> just got back
[16:01] <+MrYinYangTrader> either someone know something or its just at technical selloff
[16:01] <@wrbtrader> looks like I gave up on the market too early around 3:30pm est
[16:01] <@wrbtrader> :(
[16:01] <+Inertia> MrYY - with this insight you can go and work for CNBC :)
[16:02] <+codehead> 1811.50-1812.50 is some support on NQ
[16:02] <+rickf> ok - see y'all tomorrow .... gotta get ready for early tennis match tonight. :)
[16:02] <+rickf> see you
[16:02] <+Inertia> but I'd rather c u trade
[16:02] <+MrYinYangTrader> ahahhaa
[16:03] <+MrYinYangTrader> too choppy today
[16:03] <+MrYinYangTrader> couldn't get a price i liked
[16:04] <+JimL1> 3:30-45 looked a slow reversal up w/HH's & HL's & then the bottom fell out & little oppyts to grab a short I chased a couple & missed - very cautious - was worried about a snap back & go up with little time left
[16:07] <+JimL1> very low volume day w/ again very thin volumes on the tf DOM; very wide/wild price swings again today as the trend changed direction, sometimes the swings were 20 ticks b4 the trend was determined - hard to get in & stay around
[16:10] <+Inertia> SPY volume ended up being 10% higher than the past 3 month average
[16:11] <+Inertia> sorry 5% by 4PM
[16:16] <@X> #FuturesTrades Purpose -> Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended. More info about the chat room @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/ftchat/forum
[16:30] <@wrbtrader> 5 winners, 3 losers but the key trade of the day was my first trade of the day that resulted as a loss.
[16:31] <+Time4now> 2 losers :/
[16:31] <@wrbtrader> realized the price action wasn't going my way @ -0.1 but got out @ -0.7
[16:31] <@wrbtrader> stop was @ -1.5
[16:33] <+Time4now> wrb how many pages is the vtr trading method?
[16:33] <@wrbtrader> However, it all evens out (bad luck versus good luck) because I got "lucky" on the following trade via getting ready to exit @ +0.4 on a market order and accidentally minimized my oder entry window.
[16:34] <@wrbtrader> When I maximized the window...I was sitting @ +1.10 and decided to let it ride...exiting +1.7
[16:38] <@wrbtrader> The entire VTR document is 41 pages (pages 1 - 41) but methodology info is only pages 16 - 36.
[16:38] <+Time4now> thanks, that seems kind of short
[16:39] <@wrbtrader> Just as many support pages at the VTR forum because I don't put everything in the VTR document.
[16:39] <+Time4now> I'm looking over old forums you posted in
[16:39] <+Time4now> or created more like
[16:40] <@wrbtrader> I do that just in case someone makes a "fraud payment"...they kind'uv only get 1/2 because the rest is not stored as a filed because the rest has links in the VTR forum that takes a client to the forum so that they can copy the remainder info because the remainder info is not stored in a file.
[16:41] <+Time4now> so you are paying for access to vtr forum?
[16:41] <@wrbtrader> Yes...the best information is stored at the VTR forum.
[16:42] <@wrbtrader> The file document is just the entry signal only...everything else is stored at the VTR forum
[16:44] <@wrbtrader> The most important stuff is called the "DOK's" posted by clients themselves.
[16:44] <@wrbtrader> Simply, the most important aspect of the methods is the information posted by clients themselves...
[16:45] <+Time4now> alright
[16:45] <+Time4now> strange
[16:45] <@wrbtrader> If I were to print all that stuff out...I'm guessing it would be about 600 pages worth of information and growing every week.
[16:46] <@wrbtrader> DOK is where a client must discuss the signals they see and explain to others as if they are teaching the info themselves.
[16:46] <@wrbtrader> All I do is make corrections and answer questions :)
[16:47] <@wrbtrader> Those that don't post DOK...they don't get access to any "bonus" material...stuff not advertised with the VTR.
[16:47] <+Time4now> That's helpful
[16:48] <@wrbtrader> If you're interested...I can email you an example of a DOK posted by a client.
[16:48] <+Time4now> sure, it cant hurt
[16:49] <@wrbtrader> Ok...will do later after I go to the clinic for a quick checkup on my knew...
[16:49] <@wrbtrader> Jammed it pretty hard around 3:30pm est and it's starting to swell like a softball.
[16:49] <@wrbtrader> Take care and talk to you later.
[16:50] <@wrbtrader> knew = knee
[16:50] <+Time4now> ah, thanks bye!
[16:50] * wrbtrader is now known as wrbtrader_away

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