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 Post subject: July 17th Friday 2009
 Post Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:15 pm 
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Session Start: Fri Jul 17 09:19:49 2009
Session Ident: #futurestrades
[09:19] * Now talking in #futurestrades
[09:19] <@X> [NihabaAshi] Announcement: The new trade posting script v3.7 (replaces v3.6) is posted at your forum in the "Announcements" thread.
[09:22] <rickf> gm all
[09:29] <drt> gm everyone
[09:30] <+rickf> ding ding
[09:34] <luffy> gm
[09:34] <+luffy> shorted 35.75 took 1 out +1.5
[09:34] <+luffy> riding 2nd car
[09:37] <jbuch> Shorts ES @ 934.75
[09:38] <Awash> good morning all
[09:38] <+jbuch> Covered all ES Short @ 933.25 --> + 1.5
[09:39] <+rickf> ToS having some futures data problems so not trading any more this morning
[09:41] <+luffy> tos?
[09:41] <+rickf> thinkorswim
[09:41] <+luffy> ok
[09:47] <+drt> s es 34.25
[09:47] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 933.75 -> medium size
[09:48] <@NihabaAshi> 4 only
[09:49] <@NihabaAshi> Had a chance to grab this @ 934.50 but did too much analysis instead of trading.
[09:50] <+rickf> indeed - i was on the phone and 934.25 was an 'instinct' trade but i missed it too
[09:50] <+rickf> grrr
[09:52] <@NihabaAshi> Covered 3/4 ES Short @ 931.25 --> + 2.5
[09:52] <+drt> cs es 31.25
[09:52] <+rickf> data looks okay now
[09:53] <+jbuch> nice guys
[09:55] <+luffy> nice
[09:55] <+luffy> i'm still sitting through this retrace. i want my globex low tgt
[09:55] <+luffy> unless i see a hl... then i bail
[09:56] <pdays> Shorts ES @ 932.75
[09:56] <@NihabaAshi> Covered Remainder ES Short @ 933.50 --> + 0.25
[09:57] <+jbuch> financials making higher lows
[09:59] <+luffy> clsoed +1.75
[10:00] <+pdays> Covered all ES Short @ 934.25 --> - 1.5
[10:00] <+luffy> sucks to let a +5 turn to +1.75
[10:01] <+luffy> shit now its tanking...
[10:01] <+rickf> short es 933.25
[10:02] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 932.50 -> medium size
[10:02] <@NihabaAshi> 4 only
[10:02] <@NihabaAshi> another slow reaction on my part due to "too much" analysis
[10:04] <@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 933.50 --> - 1
[10:05] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 933.25
[10:07] <@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 934.00 -> medium size
[10:07] <@NihabaAshi> 4 only
[10:08] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 934 --> + 0.75
[10:10] <@NihabaAshi> Exited all ES Long @ 933.75 --> - 0.25
[10:12] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 934
[10:14] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 934 --> 0
[10:17] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 933
[10:18] <+luffy> do u guys think today's pa is easier to read then yesterday?
[10:18] <+rickf> out 933 +.50
[10:18] <+rickf> oops .25
[10:19] <+rickf> not harder just need to be vigilant
[10:20] <+rickf> got caught in chop is not fun
[10:21] <OICU812> again another wedge like yesterday
[10:21] <@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 934.00 -> medium size
[10:21] <+luffy> yea. gotta be on alert
[10:21] <@NihabaAshi> 4 only
[10:21] <@NihabaAshi> intuition in reaction to a prior trade
[10:22] <+luffy> yesterday's wedge was perfect triangle... almost like someone planned it
[10:22] <+rickf> 4 pt range since the open
[10:22] <+rickf> spooky :)
[10:23] <+jbuch> yeah that was a beautiful triangle
[10:24] <+luffy> short
[10:24] <+luffy> 34.75
[10:24] <+luffy> bad fill
[10:25] <+luffy> stopped
[10:25] <+luffy> bad trade...
[10:25] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 935.75 --> + 2.75
[10:25] <@NihabaAshi> Exited all ES Long @ 935.75 --> + 1.75
[10:35] <+jbuch> breakfast time bbl
[10:39] <+luffy> s 36.25
[10:40] <+luffy> +.5
[10:40] <+luffy> 1 out
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[10:44] <+rickf> gym time - back later
[10:50] <+luffy> looking nice
[10:53] <+jbuch> yeah nice entry luf
[10:54] <+luffy> thanks!
[10:54] <+luffy> still holding 1
[10:57] <+luffy> stop moved to above vwap
[10:57] <+luffy> last time my mistake was not trailing my stop
[10:57] <+luffy> and gave back too much
[11:08] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 932.75
[11:10] <jigglyhippo> about to head out early today
[11:10] <+jigglyhippo> have a good wknd everyone
[11:11] <+luffy> closed
[11:11] <+luffy> 5 sec too early
[11:12] <+luffy> +4
[11:21] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 932.25 --> - 0.5
[11:21] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 932.75
[11:22] <+jbuch> moved my stop and took a loss for nothing jackass
[11:26] <+luffy> ouch
[11:30] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 933.75 --> + 1
[11:58] <+rickf> back for a while
[11:59] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 932.25
[12:02] <@NihabaAshi> volatility is dead
[12:03] <+rickf> any bets on death until 3PM or so?
[12:03] <+jbuch> at the down trendline
[12:05] <+jbuch> broke it gonna try and hang on to it
[12:06] <+jbuch> usually I would bail right now
[12:07] <+jbuch> took it
[12:07] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 935 --> + 2.75
[12:07] <+rickf> vn
[12:07] <codehead> short ES 935.00 <paper> stop 938.00 target 933.00
[12:08] <+jbuch> having a good friday the thirteenth :))
[12:08] <+rickf> its the 17tg
[12:09] <+jbuch> oh
[12:09] <+jbuch> lol
[12:09] <+jbuch> I heard that it was the thirteenth
[12:09] <+rickf> step away from the keyboard
[12:09] <+rickf> :)
[12:10] <+jbuch> no shit
[12:10] <+jbuch> I feel like neo
[12:10] <+jbuch> all pasty
[12:10] <+rickf> oh you know kung-fu too?
[12:10] <+jbuch> bugged out
[12:11] <+jbuch> no neo before he becomes the bad ass
[12:11] <+rickf> oh
[12:11] <+jbuch> just the pasty bugged out phase
[12:11] <+rickf> follow the yellow candle
[12:11] <+rickf> lol
[12:11] <+jbuch> at the down tl from yesterdays high and the am high
[12:13] <+jbuch> went 1 tick above on that last rise
[12:13] <+jbuch> goona have a workout bbl
[12:16] <+rickf> short es 934.75
[12:27] <+codehead> exit ES short +.25 <paper>
[12:28] <+codehead> oops, thought i timed out, still have several minutes
[12:29] <+codehead> 35 min time limit
[12:29] <+codehead> so that was error, i'd still be in looking for 933.00
[12:32] <+rickf> exit es 933.50 +1.25
[12:33] <+codehead> nice
[12:34] <+rickf> ty
[12:34] <+rickf> 233t chart trade
[12:34] <+codehead> ic
[12:42] <+codehead> ding...
[12:43] <+codehead> exit +.25 <paper> on revised time-out
[12:43] <+codehead> exactly the same as before
[12:44] <+codehead> tho price got within 1 tick of +2.00 target
[12:46] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> You must read #FuturesTrades purpose and benefits @ viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36 and TOU policy @ viewtopic.php?f=2&t=55 to prevent any misunderstandings.
[12:46] <+codehead> expected target difficult during lunch, but testing mechanical trade
[12:46] <+codehead> always same target/stop/timeout
[13:42] <@NihabaAshi> As traders...we should always be aware of "options experiations" because usually the earlier part of the week contains the "high volatility" in comparison to the actual trading day of expiration.
[13:42] <@NihabaAshi> http://www.cboe.com/AboutCBOE/xcal2009.pdf
[13:43] <+rickf> option pinning
[13:43] <@NihabaAshi> Look at the calendar and you'll have one more additional tool about determining when trend days or range days are most likely to occur.
[13:45] <@NihabaAshi> Yeah...check out next week on Wednesday...it's the expiration of VIX, VXN and RVX.
[13:45] <@NihabaAshi> :)
[13:46] <+rickf> this week i've had more comfort on the 233-t chart on the ES than my usual 512-t
[13:46] <+rickf> not sure if it's a function of the price action or just how i read them
[13:47] <+rickf> (musing out loud)
[13:47] <@NihabaAshi> :)
[13:47] <+rickf> i used to think 233 was too fast, but not anymore
[13:48] <+rickf> definately based on trader personality, style, and then market action
[13:48] <@NihabaAshi> [13:43] <+rickf> option pinning
[13:49] <+rickf> yup
[13:49] <@NihabaAshi> If anybody wants to understand "pinning"...go to http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/pin ... strike.asp
[13:51] <@NihabaAshi> Simply, when "pinning" is occurring...a lot top traders that understand what happens...they take the day off or do very little trading.
[13:51] <+rickf> and option expiration isn't bad enough, quad-witch expirations are even more goofy
[13:51] <@NihabaAshi> :)
[13:52] <+rickf> THOSE days I tend to take off and make a 3 day weekend
[13:53] <@NihabaAshi> Yeah...I use to do that often (3 day weekends) in the past involving expirations.
[13:53] <@NihabaAshi> Spouse recently asked me to start doing it again for more family time :)
[13:53] <+rickf> i will tape watch more than trade them
[13:53] <+rickf> heheh
[14:00] <+codehead> btw, was reading a study about the extreme high correlation with GOOG closing price on options expiry and strike price a few days ago
[14:00] <+codehead> today, look at goog: 429.5
[14:00] <+codehead> looking at max pain, the best expiry is $420, but $430 a close second
[14:01] <+codehead> that is, the point at which most puts and calls expire worthless
[14:01] <+codehead> reminds me of a post i came across once, a guy had 10k in an IB account bet it all on GOOG options
[14:02] <+codehead> it was like 30 cents under the strike as close approached
[14:02] <+OICU812> did he blow up or make a killing?
[14:02] <+codehead> it closed a quarter above it
[14:02] <+codehead> he didn't know that it was just barely in auto-exercise territory
[14:02] <+codehead> so did nothing
[14:03] <+codehead> next monday, it opened just a little down
[14:03] <+codehead> IB had exercise the calls, then stopped him out on margin call at monday open
[14:03] <+codehead> he was wiped, and down another $10k he owed them
[14:03] <+rickf> the first iron condor i did years ago was on a large internet search company's stock
[14:03] <+codehead> i believe it was $180 area back then, iirc
[14:04] <+rickf> (not saying names but you get the idea)
[14:05] <+codehead> i have to refresh myself on iron condor, looked at it once, but i don't do options...
[14:05] <+codehead> ok i get it
[14:05] <+rickf> 50 point cushion on either side of the price going into earnings; thing blew past one of my short strikes and i panicked....like 60 point move at one point. i closed the spread, and by the end of options friday, the price was only up 12 points and a possible $3K gain became something like a $800 loss.
[14:05] <+rickf> i have an IC on the SPX right now
[14:05] <+rickf> but that was when i panicked :)
[14:05] <+codehead> ic
[14:07] <+codehead> yeah, the sad part is, about the story i posted, of course the guy didn't have even close to the money to exercise the options
[14:07] <+rickf> umm YEAH
[14:08] <+codehead> but apparently IB system exercised them anyway, then immediately coughed them up because of the excessive margin
[14:08] <+rickf> hehe on google, that's scary
[14:08] <+codehead> so, if it had open positive, i guess same thing but he'd be $$$$
[14:08] <+luffy> where should es close to cause the most pain today?
[14:08] <+codehead> lol
[14:08] <+codehead> let me look...
[14:08] <+rickf> i wonder how many folks will blow up after trying to trade options on Buffet now that it's listed at CBOE. *G*
[14:08] <+rickf> most pain?
[14:09] <+luffy> most options expire worthless
[14:09] <+rickf> i'd say anywhere above the open on Wed
[14:09] <+codehead> SPY is $91
[14:09] <+rickf> since folks i thnk were skewed short going into expiration
[14:09] <+rickf> then the spike up
[14:09] <+codehead> max pain
[14:09] <+rickf> then the short covering
[14:09] <+luffy> ok
[14:09] <+rickf> it would not surprise me to see a huge roll over into the close
[14:10] <+rickf> of course i could be wrong -- wouldn't be the first time
[14:10] <+codehead> 91-92 about the same, 93 and 94 not bad
[14:10] <+luffy> k
[14:10] <+codehead> 91 is max
[14:11] <+codehead> trading 94.10
[14:19] <+OICU812> I trade what i see on the chart, but seriously I see nothing backing up the fact that the market keeps going up
[14:19] <+OICU812> imho there should be a retest of the 666 level, at least 725
[14:24] <+luffy> i think we will when all the commerical mortgages default
[14:24] <+luffy> and sh*t falls apart again
[14:25] <+jbuch> hey all u guys hammering it
[14:26] <+rickf> OIC - I have been waiting since April for that retest
[14:26] <+rickf> still think this is a bear market rally
[14:26] <+jbuch> dang need to figure out a better time to have a workout
[14:27] <+jbuch> what a great market this week
[14:27] <+jbuch> hope it keeps up
[14:28] <+rickf> jb - happens to me all the time
[14:28] <+rickf> leave for the gym, 5 mins later i get a big move
[14:30] <+codehead> on long term timing (i.e., voodoo), 666 low corresponded with major cycle low
[14:30] <+codehead> so, don't necessarily expect retest
[14:30] <+codehead> fwiw
[14:30] <+rickf> funny how it was 666
[14:30] <+codehead> yeah, i think i posted here as it apporached ot watch what it would do there
[14:31] <+codehead> i know i posted several rooms when it broke 670
[14:31] <+codehead> just because i've seen that sort of thing before with russell
[14:31] <+codehead> that number causes turns, or attracts max moves, depending on your point of view
[14:32] <+luffy> 670? why?
[14:32] <+codehead> because 666 was approaching
[14:32] <+codehead> when it got under 670, i posted
[14:32] <+luffy> lol devils coming
[14:32] <+rickf> fyi i have an alert set and may take a short gold trade at or above 960
[14:34] <+codehead> hm, just looked in my logs:
[14:34] <+codehead> 3 days before s&p low, on 3/3:
[14:34] <+codehead> 01:14:33 PM codehead YM 6666
[14:34] <+codehead> 01:14:46 PM sticks thought if wouldn't do that
[14:34] <+codehead> 01:14:47 PM codehead maybe ES heading to 666
[14:36] <+luffy> wow
[14:36] <+luffy> ok next time u gonna buy the dip let us all know
[14:36] <+luffy> lol
[14:36] <+luffy> i'll load up
[14:36] <+luffy> anyone gonna take a chance with cit any chance?
[14:36] <+luffy> its dirt cheap.. look at citibank
[14:37] <+luffy> it bounced like crazy after going to $1
[14:37] <+jbuch> hell no
[14:38] <+jbuch> that company just sucks
[14:38] <+jbuch> the only reason they won't go to 0 is if the gov gives them some more of our $
[14:39] <+luffy> yea
[14:39] <+luffy> so the bet is on the bailout
[14:39] <+luffy> i'm not gonna touch that stuff but could be interesting
[14:42] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 936.25
[14:42] <+rickf> short es 936.50
[14:47] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 937 --> + 0.75
[14:48] <+jbuch> Shorts ES @ 936.25
[14:49] <+jbuch> stupid impulse buy
[14:49] <+jbuch> or rather short
[14:52] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> You must read #FuturesTrades purpose and benefits @ viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36 and TOU policy @ viewtopic.php?f=2&t=55 to prevent any misunderstandings.
[14:52] <+jbuch> Covered all ES Short @ 936 --> + 0.25
[14:56] <+OICU812> im still holding on to my short jb
[14:56] <+OICU812> i think i has more potential south
[14:56] <+jbuch> nice shorts look good
[14:56] <+OICU812> at least 34.0 but we'll see
[14:56] <+OICU812> :)
[14:56] <+jbuch> I just got in right at the bottom of that range on an impulse
[14:57] <+OICU812> trendlines working great on these markets
[14:57] <+jbuch> yeah
[14:58] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 935.75 -> small size
[14:58] <@NihabaAshi> 1 only
[14:58] <+OICU812> anyone else? i need sellers
[14:58] <+OICU812> lol
[14:59] <+luffy> i sold 938
[14:59] <+luffy> but close for be+2 when market didn't move
[14:59] <+OICU812> same place i got in luffy
[14:59] <+luffy> shoudla held that
[14:59] <+luffy> oic we on the same groove
[14:59] <+luffy> awesome
[15:00] <+OICU812> :)
[15:00] <+rickf> in the immortal words of szu -- "TANK!"
[15:00] <+jbuch> lol
[15:01] <+jbuch> i miss him
[15:01] <+OICU812> who was szu?
[15:01] <+rickf> scrappy little trader, never did quit ... kept in the game
[15:01] <+rickf> gone for like a month or so
[15:01] <+OICU812> right when i came in then
[15:02] <+rickf> yeah
[15:02] <+rickf> are you szu 2.0? lol
[15:03] <+luffy> i'm done for the day, have a good weekend all
[15:03] <+rickf> cya
[15:03] <+jbuch> he is posting over at TL
[15:03] <@NihabaAshi> You can find szu over at traderslaboratory.com or priceaction.net trying to learn "price action trading" (no indicators)
[15:03] <+rickf> ah wondered where he went
[15:04] <@NihabaAshi> Many years ago I use to share a few of my price action only strategies for FREE via seminars/workshops in a room called #EminiFutures...
[15:05] <@NihabaAshi> szubaark attended all of them but didn't show too much interest because he was married to that CCI indicator.
[15:05] <@NihabaAshi> He finally after many years decided a month or so ago that the CCI wasn't working for him.
[15:06] <+jbuch> SORRY GUYS
[15:06] <@NihabaAshi> Now he's scrambling to learn price action from traders that are learning it themselves...hopefully the learning route works for him.
[15:06] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 935.75
[15:06] <+rickf> owell - each to their own i guess
[15:07] <+jbuch> u GUYS R PROBABLY RIGHT
[15:07] <TradeLancer> well something got to give, this price action is drawing a tight little triangle
[15:07] <@NihabaAshi> yep
[15:07] <+jbuch> JUST A SET UP THAT i USE
[15:08] <@NihabaAshi> tightening my stop
[15:08] <+TradeLancer> 1 of u are going to be a winner & the other....fight another battle
[15:08] <+TradeLancer> we're here to win the war
[15:09] <+rickf> last hour
[15:09] <+OICU812> short still
[15:09] <+OICU812> but it aint moving
[15:09] <+jbuch> flattenning bottom wedge with vol spikes on the flat side
[15:10] <+OICU812> what does that mean to you jb?
[15:10] <+rickf> it'll rain 2 weeks from next wednesday
[15:11] <@NihabaAshi> just lost my patience :(
[15:11] <+jbuch> yhe set up says break to up side but looking pretty weak
[15:11] <@NihabaAshi> glad it's only 1 contract
[15:11] <@NihabaAshi> Covered ES Short @ 935.00 --> + 0.75
[15:11] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 935 --> - 0.75
[15:12] <+OICU812> man its ridiculous but from 938 it has taken me more than an hour to get 3 pts LOL
[15:12] <+OICU812> i have crawled every single tick
[15:13] <+OICU812> wrbtrader, do you use any indicators?
[15:13] <+jbuch> cci right
[15:13] <@NihabaAshi> No but I tried macd and stoc in the past.
[15:13] <+rickf> ext es 935 +1.50
[15:13] <+OICU812> not using any now days?
[15:13] <+rickf> ugh eyes tired
[15:14] <+jbuch> nice rickf
[15:14] <+rickf> thx jb ... almost settled for a tick in frustration but held
[15:14] <+rickf> still think we roll over
[15:14] <@NihabaAshi> Only used them for about 2 months but only because a few close friends didn't want to hear anything from me about "price action" only trading.
[15:14] <@NihabaAshi> That was many years ago.
[15:14] <+rickf> you still doing the WRB stuff as your main strategy?
[15:15] <@NihabaAshi> Yes...since the 80's
[15:15] <+rickf> cool
[15:15] <+OICU812> i think that any indicator has to be taken in the context of the price action, not the price action in the context of the indicator
[15:15] <+OICU812> and thats most peoples mistake
[15:15] <@NihabaAshi> Anyways...I'm calling quits for the day.
[15:15] <+rickf> the best one is when you get someoe with an AWESOME system or so they think --
[15:16] <+rickf> "buy when the RSI is above 75"
[15:16] <+rickf> but never look if the market is trending or ranging
[15:16] <+rickf> so they're only half right :)
[15:16] <@NihabaAshi> I'm going to call it quits and go town with the family for a summer festival that's currently going on and the kids want to go watch the street performers.
[15:16] <+OICU812> oscillators diverge, always and thats when they kill you
[15:16] <+rickf> enjoy -- about to rain here
[15:16] <@NihabaAshi> Take care all and have a good/safe weekend
[15:16] <+jbuch> have a good weekend wrbtrader
[15:18] <+OICU812> ok 935 im out
[15:19] <+OICU812> im calling it a day too
[15:19] <+OICU812> this has been my slowest summer i think
[15:19] <+rickf> except for 1 or 2 big moves today it's been hellishly boring
[15:19] <+rickf> yeah
[15:19] <+OICU812> do you guys think august will be as bad?
[15:19] <+rickf> dunno - i barely know what monday will be like
[15:20] <+rickf> tho i miss last summer
[15:20] <+OICU812> last couple of summers were fun
[15:20] <+rickf> if i knew then what i know now .... boy i'd be rich lol
[15:21] <+TradeLancer> today general pattern same as tues & thurs with late in pm session run to the upside. options exp, so couold get wild
[15:23] <+TradeLancer> trying to hold support here from upsloping TL from 8:30am, if this fails & breaks a few lower swing points it will change the symetical picture
[15:25] <+OICU812> have a good weekend everyone
[15:25] <+rickf> cya\
[15:26] <+jbuch> take care oic
[15:27] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 935
[15:29] <+rickf> i'm still thinking short
[15:29] <+rickf> but not gonan trade it
[15:31] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 934.25 --> - 0.75
[15:40] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 933.25
[15:42] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 934.75 --> + 1.5
[15:42] <+rickf> vn
[15:43] <+rickf> was that a win or a loss?
[15:43] <+jbuch> the whole series of buying
[15:43] <+rickf> ah
[15:43] <+jbuch> that put me at breakeven
[15:44] <+jbuch> actually need 1 mor .25 to put me at breakeven to cover commisions
[15:55] <+jbuch> Shorts ES @ 936.5
[16:05] <+rickf> ok have a good w/e everyone
[16:05] <+rickf> see you next week
[16:12] <+jbuch> got it
[16:12] <+jbuch> Covered all ES Short @ 936.25 --> + 0.25
[16:13] <+jbuch> have had that on for 5 minutes
[16:13] <+jbuch> have a good weekend all
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