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Session Start: Thu Jul 02 08:59:35 2009
Session Ident: #futurestrades
[08:59] * Now talking in #futurestrades
[08:59] <@X> [NihabaAshi] Announcement: The new trade posting script v3.7 (replaces v3.6) is posted at your forum in the "Announcements" thread.
[09:00] <silo> check out commodities i mentioned yesterday
[09:00] <+silo> hi sharp!
[09:06] <+silo> morning guys
[09:07] <@NihabaAshi> In case anybody is wondering...commodities and exchange traded funds have been the fastest growing markets this year.
[09:08] <ItalianSharp> all
[09:08] <+silo> sharp
[09:28] <fcb98292>
[09:29] <jbuch> morning all
[09:29] <+silo> is sep still on vacation? he's been gone for like 2 months :\
[09:29] <+silo> wanted to ask him about something
[09:31] <jigglyhippo> all
[09:31] <Nesi> hi all
[09:32] <drt>
[09:32] <pat255> all
[09:33] <+silo> here comes the pain
[09:33] <+silo> i guess it was a long trap yesterday. although some thought otherwise
[09:33] <+ItalianSharp> NQ taking major blows
[09:33] <+ItalianSharp> that's what i call DUMPING
[09:35] <+silo> beautiful isn't it
[09:38] <@NihabaAshi> silo...you can easily contact sep34 via the forum...go to the forum and send him a private message.
[09:38] <+silo> oh cool. thanks
[09:38] <@NihabaAshi> I'm not trading right now...my charts are currently down
[09:38] <+silo> wrbtrader. did you establish any medium term shorts
[09:39] <+silo> in your other accounts
[09:39] <+silo> we could technically go test november low from 2007
[09:39] <+Nesi> 892.00 my guess today
[09:39] <@NihabaAshi> I do swing trades and position trades in my other accounts...currently no positions.
[09:39] <@NihabaAshi> charts back up now...lets see what I missed
[09:40] <+silo> a BIG gap
[09:40] <+silo>
[09:40] <@NihabaAshi> geeesh
[09:40] <+Nesi> i am not covering my position
[09:40] <+silo> you're long?
[09:41] <+Nesi> covering..silo
[09:41] <+Nesi> i am short
[09:41] <+silo> i've been holding my shorts since 6/16/09
[09:41] <+silo>
[09:41] <+Nesi> i am holding from yesterday
[09:41] <+silo> had me scared at one point last week
[09:43] <@NihabaAshi> Key markets in sync on the big price drop
[09:45] <+jbuch> Shorts ES @ 901.25
[09:46] <+Nesi> come on, drill 900
[09:46] <+silo> 3rd quarter starting out very bearish
[09:47] <+jbuch> Covered all ES Short @ 901 --> + 0.25
[09:47] <+silo> i wouldn't be surprised after such a big rally off the bottom without the fundamentals to go along with it
[09:50] <+fcb98292> silo, but I am glad there are decisive moves.
[09:50] <+drt> s es 02
[09:50] <+silo> me too
[09:51] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 901.25 -> medium size
[09:51] <@NihabaAshi> 4 only
[09:52] <+fcb98292> S ES 901
[09:54] <+fcb98292> part fill
[09:54] <+Nesi> strong feel we will test 892
[09:55] <+fcb98292> flat +2
[09:55] <+Nesi> nice
[09:55] <+drt> cs es 99
[09:55] <+jigglyhippo> nice trade guys
[09:55] <@NihabaAshi> Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 899.00 --> + 2.25
[09:55] <+fcb98292> vn
[09:56] <OICU812> nice morning huh
[09:56] <@NihabaAshi> Yeah especially with some current data problems...
[09:56] <+Nesi> hey OICU
[09:56] <@NihabaAshi> Entry should have been around 902.00
[09:56] <+pat255> vn guys ...data problems here too ///:(
[09:56] <+OICU812> i think longs are on the way
[09:57] <+Nesi> Covered all ES Short @ 900.00 --> + 40.5
[09:57] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 899.5
[09:57] <+OICU812> 899 entry here
[09:57] <@NihabaAshi> Covered Remainder ES Short @ 900.00 --> + 1.25
[09:57] <+jbuch> hesitated should of had it there as well
[09:57] <+jigglyhippo> nice short nesi
[09:58] <+Nesi> held from yesterday
[09:58] <+OICU812> good hold nesi
[09:58] <+jbuch> damn nesi nice
[09:58] <+OICU812> how long did you hold it?
[09:58] <+fcb98292> wow Nesi, swinger!
[09:58] <iliketrading>
[09:58] <+Nesi> yesterday
[09:58] <+Nesi> remember i said 918.50 average i said
[09:59] <+OICU812> yep
[09:59] <+fcb98292> S ES 900.25
[10:00] <+OICU812> today i move to longer term trades, lets see how it goes with that
[10:00] <@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 900.50 -> small size
[10:00] <@NihabaAshi> 2 only
[10:00] <+fcb98292> out 900.75 -.5
[10:01] <+Nesi> at least we have mojo today
[10:01] <+fcb98292> chicken
[10:01] <@NihabaAshi> Exited all ES Long @ 901.00 --> + 0.5
[10:01] <+drt> s es 01
[10:01] <+OICU812> what a diff mojo makes
[10:01] <+fcb98292> indeed
[10:01] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 901 --> + 1.5
[10:01] <+pat255> vn jb
[10:01] <@NihabaAshi> early exit
[10:01] <+jigglyhippo> nicee
[10:01] <+iliketrading> short
[10:01] <+jbuch> thanks
[10:01] <+Nesi> jbuch, man.. nice trading lately.. keep the good job
[10:01] <@NihabaAshi> will sit and watch for awhile
[10:01] <+OICU812> tempted to exit but must hold to get used to longer term trades
[10:02] <+OICU812> i want to be like nesi when i grow up
[10:02] <+Nesi> i am not going to play the 900 magnet
[10:02] <+Nesi> OICU, no.. i make lots of mistakes
[10:02] <+OICU812> 40 pt mistakes are nice
[10:03] <+Nesi> i had -40 too
[10:03] <+Nesi> so
[10:03] <+OICU812> ouch
[10:03] <+jbuch> thanks a lot nesi
[10:03] <+iliketrading> took 1 tick on 2 cars
[10:03] <+iliketrading> pussied out... jesus
[10:03] <+jbuch> have had pretty good luck lately
[10:03] <+Nesi> monday market are closed?
[10:04] <+jbuch> I think tomorrow only
[10:04] <+pat255> no
[10:04] <+Nesi> half day tomorrow?
[10:05] <+drt> cs es 00.75
[10:05] <+OICU812> tempting to exit
[10:05] <+jbuch> I didn't think that it was open at all but I think that I got that opinion from here
[10:06] <+iliketrading> oic are u long or short?
[10:06] <+jigglyhippo> might close at 1pm
[10:06] <+iliketrading> omg someone shoot me...
[10:07] <+iliketrading> no more taking 1 ticks..
[10:07] <+iliketrading> shorted 901.25
[10:08] <+jbuch> I am going camping so don't care either way )
[10:09] <+Nesi> you are in Ohio...right..
[10:09] <+OICU812> long again 898.00
[10:11] <+jbuch> no new mexico
[10:12] <+Nesi> oh
[10:12] <@NihabaAshi> Gold no longer in snyc with other key markets price drop
[10:13] <+pat255> jb where in new mexico?
[10:13] <+jbuch> albuquerque
[10:13] <+pat255> vn...
[10:13] <+jbuch> u around here
[10:13] <+pat255> oh no
[10:13] <+pat255> was one time looking to move ther
[10:14] <@NihabaAshi> Gold trying to get back in sync now with the price decline
[10:14] <@NihabaAshi> looks like we have a weak support area formed as the markets looks for more Longs is other key markets stabilizes
[10:15] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade. 2009 chat logs stored @ viewforum.php?f=20 and chat logs prior to 2009 are stored @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/ArchivedPastTrades.htm. Also, do not mimic (shadow) trades of others without their permission.
[10:18] * C is now known as Cesar
[10:18] * Cesar is now known as C
[10:18] * C is now known as Cesar
[10:19] <+pat255> nat gas at 10:30
[10:20] <+jigglyhippo> Long ES @ 898.75
[10:20] <+jigglyhippo> stop 897.75
[10:20] <Cesar> nat gas release at http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/natural_gas/ngs/ngs.html
[10:21] <werner> all
[10:23] <+jigglyhippo> damn
[10:23] <+jigglyhippo> stopped
[10:23] <+jigglyhippo> Exited all ES Long @ 897.75 --> - 1
[10:24] <+OICU812> out BE
[10:24] <+jigglyhippo> i should have got out before
[10:24] <+OICU812> 897.5 Long
[10:25] <+jigglyhippo> i didnt get filled
[10:25] <+jigglyhippo> great entry
[10:26] <+Nesi> i like that saying of OICU, "i play every turn"
[10:29] <+jigglyhippo> another try
[10:29] <+jigglyhippo> Long ES @ 898.25
[10:29] <+jigglyhippo> stop 897
[10:30] <+jigglyhippo> hope this isnt a bad move
[10:31] <+jigglyhippo> =/
[10:31] <+jigglyhippo> cmon
[10:31] <+Cesar> Natural Gas +70BCF
[10:32] <+OICU812> taking some effort to consolidate this bottom
[10:32] <+jigglyhippo> i would hate to be stopped out again
[10:33] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 897.75
[10:34] <+jigglyhippo> Exited all ES Long @ 897.75 --> - 0.5
[10:35] <+Cesar> Crude Oil respected the support at 66.5
[10:36] <+jbuch> Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 899.5 --> + 1.75
[10:37] <+jigglyhippo> guess its not my day today
[10:39] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 899 --> + 1.25
[10:39] <+jigglyhippo> nice jb
[10:39] <+werner> vn
[10:39] <+pat255> vn
[10:39] <+jbuch> thanks
[10:40] <+jbuch> broke the downtrendline if we get a retest and a place where I can reenter long will try to hang on longer
[10:41] <rickf> all
[10:42] <+werner> you saw only sup on es at 897 jbuch?
[10:42] <+werner> rickf
[10:43] <+jbuch> yeah the down move had flattened out and I had a strong tick divergance
[10:44] <+werner> ok thnx
[10:44] <+Nesi> 899.00 is where the most vol is
[10:44] <+werner> yes i see nesi
[10:45] <+werner> thats like the poc
[10:45] <+jbuch> was looking to enter short around here but that was a very shallow retracement bulls seem to gaining strength
[10:45] <+werner> a volume indicator
[10:47] <+jbuch> breakfast time
[10:53] <+rickf> back in a bit
[10:54] <+OICU812> my long working nicely
[10:54] <+OICU812> patience pays lol
[10:55] <+jigglyhippo> damn i wish i held too
[10:55] <+jigglyhippo> patience is key!
[10:55] <+iliketrading> nice
[10:56] <+OICU812> Scaled out here 900.5
[10:56] <+OICU812> +3.0
[10:56] <+Nesi> vn
[10:56] <+OICU812> now move my stop just below the entry and im safe
[10:59] <+fcb98292> nice OIC
[10:59] <+jigglyhippo> Short ES @ 900.25
[10:59] <+OICU812> my first day swinging
[10:59] <+OICU812> will take some getting used to
[10:59] <+jigglyhippo> stop 901.25
[11:00] <+fcb98292> OIC, admirable. I could not swinging.
[11:00] <+OICU812> i'll tell you tomorrow if i
[11:00] <+fcb98292> Just my personal limits, I have to be watching.
[11:01] <+OICU812> if you leave a sotp in place
[11:01] <+OICU812> there is really no harm
[11:01] <+iliketrading> wtg oic
[11:02] <+iliketrading> what if ur internet dies in the middle of the night? is ur stop still in the system?
[11:02] <+OICU812> yes
[11:02] <+OICU812> they stay at the brokers server
[11:02] <+iliketrading> ok, cool
[11:02] <+OICU812> even if my internet died now its there
[11:02] <+iliketrading> cool
[11:03] <+iliketrading> there're also programs that can alert u if price hit certain levels
[11:03] <+iliketrading> in case u actually fall asleep
[11:03] <+iliketrading> lol
[11:03] <+OICU812> yes
[11:04] <+fcb98292> OIC, you're right, hard stops limit loss potential, and unless there is progressive stop moves, it is better to ignore the action that to sit and stew, as some newer traders do.
[11:05] <+jigglyhippo> Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 899.25 --> + 1
[11:05] <+fcb98292> OIC, I just have a comfort level that prevents swinging.
[11:05] <+OICU812> theres a thousand ways to skin a cat
[11:05] <+OICU812> oh belive me fcb98292, its not been easy for me to get here
[11:05] <+OICU812> i had a hard time holding a trade for five mins.
[11:08] <@NihabaAshi> It's starting to look a lot like Tuesday's trading session.
[11:09] <+OICU812> grind up?
[11:09] <@NihabaAshi> However, Tuesday's price drop out of the gate was more intense
[11:09] <@NihabaAshi> more sideways
[11:10] <@NihabaAshi> will be careful about overtrading
[11:11] <+OICU812> <==== swinging cause this market is tough to go after a point each trade
[11:16] <+iliketrading> vwap fight
[11:18] * silo2 is now known as silo
[11:18] <+jigglyhippo> Covered all ES Short @ 899.50 --> + 0.75
[11:24] <+Nesi> back to where the most vol is 899.00
[11:32] <codehead> long 2c ES 898.75 <paper>
[11:32] <+OICU812> 896.75 my stop, have some profits so cool about it
[11:32] <+OICU812> going to take a breather
[11:32] <+OICU812>
[11:35] <+codehead> 2 pt stop <paper>
[11:36] <+codehead> no long signal, just not sure if we have enough volume to flush
[11:40] <+codehead> might be worth gamble the bottom is in, due to low volume
[11:45] <+codehead> stopped out
[11:45] <+codehead> -2 ES <paper>
[11:46] <+OICU812> got my stop
[11:46] <+jigglyhippo> are you getting back in?
[11:47] <+OICU812> yep
[11:47] <+jigglyhippo> at your stop?
[11:47] <+OICU812> not yet
[11:49] <+OICU812> i still think a bottom is forming
[11:49] <+jigglyhippo> yep
[11:52] <+OICU812> if we dont break 96.25 im in
[11:53] <+codehead> yeah
[11:53] <+codehead> 896 ke
[11:53] <+codehead> key
[11:53] <+codehead> bought 896.75 on the bounce, took 1 pt
[11:54] <+codehead> want it back, wish display wasn't messed up here on bid/ask...
[11:54] <+codehead> an hour left, right?
[11:54] <+OICU812> 897.25
[11:54] <+iliketrading> long?
[11:54] <+OICU812> yes
[11:55] <+iliketrading> cool, where u put ur stop?
[11:55] <+OICU812> 1 pt
[11:55] <+iliketrading> ok
[11:55] <@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 895.75 -> small size
[11:55] <PeterPanBoy> Long ES @ 897.5 «« testing »»
[11:55] <@NihabaAshi> 2 only
[11:55] <@NihabaAshi> correction
[11:55] <+PeterPanBoy> hi veryone
[11:55] <+OICU812> 95 NihabaAshi?
[11:56] <@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 897.75 -> small size
[11:56] <+PeterPanBoy> interesting support
[11:56] <@NihabaAshi> preferred a 897.00 entry but ES didn't want to revisit it
[11:57] <+PeterPanBoy> yep
[11:57] <+PeterPanBoy> he s glued here
[11:57] <@NihabaAshi> If stopped out...that will be my intuition trade entry if I get a second chance at it
[11:57] <+jigglyhippo> is your stop 896.25 wrbtrader?
[11:58] <+jbuch> Shorts ES @ 897.75
[11:59] <+PeterPanBoy> hey jb do not yoking there people here on long side...
[11:59] <+PeterPanBoy>
[11:59] <+jigglyhippo> volume is so low
[11:59] <+PeterPanBoy> Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 897.75 --> + 0.25 «« testing »»
[12:00] <+PeterPanBoy> big boys do not help us..
[12:00] <+PeterPanBoy> Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 897.75 --> + 0.25 «« testing »»
[12:01] <+jbuch> Covered all ES Short @ 898 --> - 0.25
[12:02] <+PeterPanBoy> Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 898 --> + 0.5 «« testing »»
[12:03] <+PeterPanBoy> chat' s people buy and help us to rise price a littele bit..
[12:03] <+PeterPanBoy> thanks
[12:03] <+OICU812> 898.5 scale to cover costs, lets see if the rest does something interesting
[12:05] <+PeterPanBoy> Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 898.25 --> + 0.75 «« testing »»
[12:05] <+PeterPanBoy> onlu one remainer
[12:05] <+PeterPanBoy> i am starting to lose my patience..
[12:06] <+jbuch> jeez this sucks
[12:06] <+jbuch> code head why werte u saying only 1 hour left
[12:06] <+OICU812> thats why i want to swing more jbuch
[12:07] <+jbuch> I look at it the complete opposite this is better for scalping in my opinion
[12:08] <+jbuch> actually probably the best thing to do is go fishing
[12:08] <@NihabaAshi> Exited all ES Long @ 897.75 --> 0
[12:08] <+PeterPanBoy> Exited Remainder ES Long @ 897.75 --> + 0.25 «« testing »»
[12:09] <+codehead> long ES 897.50 <paper>
[12:10] <+jbuch> I think that the market has required you to be more patient about moving ur stops to protect profit in the last couple of weeks but every move large and small has been faded so hard to swing.
[12:11] <+OICU812> well im giving swinging a crack, lets see how it works
[12:11] <+OICU812> tell you tomorrow
[12:12] <+jbuch> so by swinging do you mean holding a position until an oppposite set up occures
[12:12] <+OICU812> yes
[12:12] <+jbuch> or are u trying to hold multi day
[12:12] <+OICU812> well yesterdays swing was from 928.25
[12:13] <+OICU812> could have probably held till 900 with ease
[12:13] <+OICU812> ease not taking into account patience just the chart
[12:13] <+OICU812> lol
[12:13] <@NihabaAshi> jiggly...you can read about my stop management @ viewtopic.php?f=21&t=229
[12:14] <+jigglyhippo> thanks
[12:15] <+PeterPanBoy> Long ES @ 898.5 «« testing »»
[12:15] <+PeterPanBoy> let see if volume follow
[12:15] <+codehead> exit half ES +1.25 <paper>
[12:15] <+PeterPanBoy> Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 898.75 --> + 0.25 «« testing »»
[12:15] <+jbuch> there he is whats happening szu
[12:16] <+PeterPanBoy> wanna entry before but not so confident
[12:16] <+PeterPanBoy> hi zsuba
[12:17] <+PeterPanBoy> price stall again
[12:17] <+PeterPanBoy> Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 898.5 --> 0 «« testing »»
[12:17] <+PeterPanBoy> better than reverse on me
[12:18] <+jbuch>
[12:18] <+jigglyhippo> hahaha
[12:18] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade. 2009 chat logs stored @ viewforum.php?f=20 and chat logs prior to 2009 are stored @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/ArchivedPastTrades.htm. Also, do not mimic (shadow) trades of others without their permission.
[12:18] <+jbuch> oyu gottas be kidding me
[12:19] <+PeterPanBoy> Exited Remainder ES Long @ 898.25 --> - 0.25 «« testing »»
[12:23] <+silo> i'm swing trading, account up a nice amount. just watching price action
[12:24] <+silo> not much to do right now
[12:24] <+silo> sharp you have to admit, that was funny lol
[12:25] <+PeterPanBoy> Shorts ES @ 898.25 «« testing »»
[12:26] <+PeterPanBoy> Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 898 --> + 0.25 «« testing »»
[12:27] <+jbuch> wow its funny you create these personalities in your head even though we really don't know each other.
[12:27] <+PeterPanBoy> Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 897.75 --> + 0.5 «« testing »»
[12:27] <+silo> i'm not really szubaark
[12:28] <+silo> the real szubaark is on. just not in this room
[12:28] <+silo> we're not the same person
[12:28] <+silo> i am just playinga trick o italiansharp
[12:28] <+silo>
[12:28] <+silo> o= on
[12:29] <+jbuch> ahh I think that i missed some posts or just slow.
[12:30] <+jbuch> szu is posting at the TL so he is still alive have been meaning to email him.
[12:30] <+PeterPanBoy> Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 897.75 --> + 0.5 «« testing »»
[12:32] <+PeterPanBoy> Covered Remainder ES Short @ 897.75 --> + 0.5 «« testing »»
[12:33] <+PeterPanBoy> hei price continue down without me...
[12:33] <+OICU812> ok, this long might take another try
[12:33] <+OICU812> good thing theres no losses yet
[12:35] <codehead> add back long ES 897.25 <paper> (the half i exited)
[12:35] <+codehead> stop 895.75
[12:40] <+silo>
[12:41] <+silo> that was epic
[12:41] <+silo>
[12:42] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 897.25
[12:43] <+PeterPanBoy> ok price is frozen @ this support I prefer close now today
[12:43] <+jbuch> smart move
[12:43] <+PeterPanBoy> happy 4 july holiday all see ya next week
[12:43] <+jigglyhippo> you too
[12:44] <+PeterPanBoy> thanks
[12:44] <+PeterPanBoy> bye
[12:44] <+rickf> back again
[12:44] <+jigglyhippo> wow price hasnt done anything
[12:44] <+jigglyhippo> codehead you still in the trade?
[12:45] <+jigglyhippo> jb do you have the same stop as code?
[12:46] <+ItalianSharp> bears look exhausted here
[12:47] <+silo> sup sharp
[12:47] <+rickf> only one big move today thus far, eh? another yawner?
[12:47] <+OICU812> i been looking at exhausted bears for the past couple of hours ItalianSharp
[12:47] <+rickf> missed the morning due to getting shopping done for holiday party on saturday
[12:47] <+ItalianSharp> rick, that's what's been happening later...big gaps and strong directional mvoes at the open followed by contraction rest of the day...with volatility pikcing up again after 3pm
[12:48] <+rickf> indeed
[12:48] <+rickf> same stuff different day
[12:48] <+ItalianSharp> looks like big boys only working between 9.30-10.30 and 3-4
[12:48] <+jbuch> have my stop set at 896.25 Jh
[12:49] <+silo> or the amoutn of volume on down stocks
[12:49] <+OICU812> dont you need a tick more jbuch?
[12:49] <+jigglyhippo> ahh cool, been watching more after some bad trades
[12:49] <+ItalianSharp> [12:46:50] <ItalianSharp> bears look exhausted here
[12:49] <+jbuch> guess not )
[12:52] <+jbuch> Exited Remainder ES Long @ 897.5 --> + 0.25
[12:52] <+codehead> yes still in (paper trade)
[12:53] <+codehead> starting to look like it could lock up here
[12:53] <+codehead> my stop is 895.75
[12:54] <+jbuch> just not happening this week if u miss the morning entry your screwed
[12:54] <+codehead> yep, and i started the week tired and missed every morning
[12:55] <+codehead> volume trickling
[12:56] <+silo> as long as the TICK stays below 0 right now we're ok
[12:57] <+silo> 5min
[12:57] <+silo> is the one i'm using
[12:57] <+codehead> cci a zlr (down), but waffling and could be famir (up)
[12:57] <+codehead> on the 3 min--have to see how this bar closes to know
[12:58] <@NihabaAshi> key markets still in a tight trading range since 1145am est
[12:58] <+codehead> talk about deadlock
[12:59] <+codehead> volume tiny
[13:01] <+ItalianSharp> even pre-FOMC hrs are better than this
[13:02] <+silo> yeah. every market day is different =\
[13:02] <+silo> as bruce lee said: be water my friend
[13:03] <+codehead> famir printed
[13:03] <+silo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW-cnizLDEE
[13:04] <+silo> :P
[13:08] <+codehead> exit +.75 on ES add<paper>
[13:09] <+rickf> to break up the monotony -- some valuable trading lessons i revisit on days like this:
[13:09] <+rickf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiE1VgWdcQM
[13:13] <+iliketrading> awesome vid
[13:13] <+iliketrading> haha
[13:13] <+rickf> sound advice
[13:14] <+iliketrading> one good trend pays for them all
[13:15] <+rickf> yepper
[13:15] <+iliketrading> lol file the news in the trash
[13:23] <+jigglyhippo> does anyone see H&S on the daily?
[13:26] <@NihabaAshi> yep
[13:26] <+OICU812> this turn is taking forever
[13:26] <+OICU812> HS for the long or short side?
[13:26] <+jigglyhippo> short i think
[13:26] <+jigglyhippo> one sec
[13:27] <+ItalianSharp> we should rise some more, some buying interest showing up
[13:28] <+ItalianSharp> some more ---> ES 2pts or so...this flatline volatility is tough to read
[13:28] <+ItalianSharp> its 1.30pm already and we are still stuck in the mud...welcome to summer 2009
[13:28] <+Nesi> see..still in the same 900 magnet
[13:29] <+ItalianSharp> NFP days used to be famoust for their volatility
[13:30] <+silo> so far the summer has been pretty exciting so far. since we're at a decision area in the market. it's in the state of deiciding whether to retrace the bottom rally or continue going
[13:30] <+silo> lots of movements the past few days
[13:30] <+silo> thing is. most were covered by gaps
[13:30] <+silo> i'm still holding shorts from 6/16/09
[13:30] <+silo> in this time. when market is not sure of its direction. expect lots of shakeouts
[13:31] <+silo> one way to play it is. use smaller size. stay in longer
[13:31] <+silo> to actually see through the true intention
[13:31] <+silo> otherwise it's easy to just get whip saw back and forth
[13:31] <+silo> losing money on both sides
[13:32] <+silo> so, small size allow you to stay in it for longer (days, weeks) with proper money management, you will be able to sit through the move
[13:32] <+silo> see the direction it really wants to go
[13:32] <+silo> if you lose, the losses are calculated. (small i hope) if yo udo it right
[13:32] <+silo> if you win, you could ride it all the way to 2007 nov low
[13:32] <+silo> if the retracement is strong enough
[13:32] <+silo> and once direction is confirmed... then you can play bigger size, shorter timeframe
[13:33] <+silo> that's the way i see it anyway
[13:33] <+silo> hence why i'm swing trading at the moment
[13:33] <+silo> it just makes more sense at this particular market junction
[13:33] <@NihabaAshi> I'm not expecting this range to break until after 2pm est
[13:34] <+silo> same
[13:34] <+silo> 2pm is when people really start to play anyway
[13:34] <+silo> not 1.30
[13:34] <+Nesi> Shorts ES @ 896.75
[13:35] <+silo> and remember how obama was saying that under his control the job employment would not drop below 8?
[13:35] <+silo> above rather
[13:35] <+silo> it's already 9%
[13:35] <+Nesi> 9.5
[13:36] <+silo> so that's not giving people any confidence either
[13:36] <+silo> commodities at the top of the down channel and coming down
[13:36] <+silo> after hitting resistance
[13:36] <+silo> financials slowed down
[13:37] <+silo> and if you looked at the charts i posted last week. we've been going up way ahead of fundamentals
[13:37] <+silo> of course. nothing is certain
[13:37] <+silo> asia is certainly strong right now
[13:37] <+silo> and not really following the u.s. market
[13:37] <+Nesi> Covered all ES Short @ 897.00 --> - 0.25
[13:37] <+silo> but all in all, i'm still holding my shorts from 6/16
[13:41] <+OICU812> long hold silo
[13:41] <+jigglyhippo> jb theres two of you in here lol
[13:42] <+jbuch> I know don't know how that happened
[13:42] <+jigglyhippo> dont all these members have to post at least one trade a day? or contribute to the forum?
[13:42] <+jigglyhippo> or not really cause theres no pass right now
[13:45] <+Nesi> Shorts ES @ 897.50
[13:46] * jbuch1 was kicked by NihabaAshi (@)
[13:47] <+jbuch> sorry was that insulting
[13:47] <+jigglyhippo> lol
[13:47] <+silo> not at all, i'm a man with many faces
[13:47] <+silo> i used to work for the cia you know
[13:47] <+jbuch> I did not mean to u
[13:47] <+OICU812> i thought we were friends jbuch
[13:47] <+jbuch>
[13:52] <+Nesi> exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 897.50
[13:52] <+silo> not even a 2 point pop
[13:53] <+Nesi> Covered all ES Short @ 897.50 --> 0
[13:56] <+iliketrading> this consolidation looks alot like yesterday
[13:57] <+silo> watching a movie right now
[13:57] <+silo> the descent
[13:58] <+silo> lol how fitting
[13:58] <+Nesi> Shorts ES @ 897.25
[13:58] <+Nesi> exit stop set ES @ 900.00
[13:58] <+Nesi> 2c
[13:58] <+Nesi> i will give it room
[14:01] <+jbuch> wow what a waste of an afternoon.
[14:01] <+rickf> no kidding
[14:01] <+jigglyhippo> seriously
[14:01] <+rickf> there ... ain't .... anything
[14:01] <+ItalianSharp> dont tell me about it
[14:01] <+jbuch> shoulda gone fishing
[14:01] <+rickf> worht trading
[14:02] <+rickf> paint drying is more exciting
[14:02] <+ItalianSharp> well, at least most of traders in here are sitting out the chop
[14:02] <+ItalianSharp> that's good
[14:02] <+rickf> lessons hard learned, buddy
[14:02] <+ItalianSharp> an afternoon like today could kill a daytrader
[14:02] <+jbuch> yup or catching the extremes
[14:04] <+ItalianSharp> impressive rally by ES...2pts in 30mins!
[14:04] <+jbuch> yehaa
[14:04] <+rickf> the bulls are in control
[14:04] <+ItalianSharp> rick, i am still bearish overall for today...but not around LOD
[14:05] <+rickf> same here
[14:05] <+rickf> and light volume = major uncertainty and chop
[14:05] <+rickf> ergo i remain flat
[14:05] <+ItalianSharp> we either rise sharply to around opening range...or drop quickly and current support will turn into resistance
[14:06] <+jbuch> oic you holding until monday
[14:06] <+jigglyhippo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9D_ibaVGMU
[14:07] <+jbuch> that will be OIC sunday night.
[14:07] <+jbuch> pounding red bulls
[14:07] <+jigglyhippo> lol
[14:11] <+jbuch> love it great sceen jh
[14:11] <+jigglyhippo>
[14:11] <+rickf> lol you look like an optical illusion
[14:11] <+rickf> hee
[14:11] <+OICU812> dont know jbuch
[14:11] <+OICU812> would not like ot
[14:11] <+OICU812> to
[14:11] <+OICU812> market open till tomorrow at noon right?
[14:11] <+jigglyhippo> hmm i thought 1 pm
[14:11] <+OICU812> will decide till tomorrow
[14:12] <+OICU812> wont enjoy the weekend hold
[14:12] <+jbuch> no I think that it is closed
[14:12] <+jbuch> looking it up
[14:12] <+iliketrading> jiggly, what movie was that?
[14:12] <+jigglyhippo> 25th hour
[14:13] <+Nesi> saw that one
[14:13] <+Nesi> i recommend flash of a genius
[14:13] <+OICU812> whats that about?
[14:13] <+Nesi> the inventor of the wipers
[14:13] <+Nesi> intermitent wiper
[14:14] <+jigglyhippo> ahh
[14:14] <+jigglyhippo> yeha
[14:14] <+jigglyhippo> came out last yr
[14:15] <+Nesi> exit stop set ES @ 898.50
[14:15] <+jbuch> cme globex is closed tomorrow
[14:16] <+jigglyhippo> youre right jb
[14:16] <+OICU812> they close at 1 pm?
[14:16] <+jigglyhippo> closed
[14:17] <+rickf> love the brits --- "bird and fortune" doing a bit on the subprime crisis
[14:17] <+jbuch> I am at the cme website july third is shown as closed
[14:17] <+rickf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzJmTCYmo9g
[14:17] <+rickf> first oif a few such 'interviews' on the financial crisis
[14:18] <+rickf> dont be eating or drinking when viewing !
[14:19] <+iliketrading> long
[14:19] <+jbuch> read an interesting article in rolling stone about how golman sachs controls the world
[14:19] <+iliketrading> 96.75
[14:19] <+jbuch> that is were I get all of my financial news from
[14:19] <+rickf>
[14:19] <+jigglyhippo> rolling stone is a leader in the financial news industry duhh
[14:20] <+OICU812> Thursday, Jul 2
[14:20] <+OICU812> 1515 CT – Regular CME Globex close for trade date Thursday, Jul 2
[14:20] <+OICU812> 1530 CT – Regular CME Globex open for trade date Monday, Jul 6
[14:20] <+OICU812> Friday, Jul 3
[14:20] <+OICU812> 1030 CT – CME Globex close
[14:20] <+OICU812> Special Note: All Day, Session, and GTD orders for Friday, July 3 will be eliminated at
[14:20] <+jbuch> oh yeah I KNOW THAT but there may ber some folks in here how didn't realize
[14:20] <+OICU812> their normal time after Friday’s Close. All matched trades after the close of Trade
[14:20] <+OICU812> Date Thursday, July 2 will be cleared on Trade Date Monday, July 6
[14:20] <+iliketrading> 1 out +2 tick
[14:21] <+OICU812> closes tomorrow at 10:30 acoording to this
[14:21] <+fcb98292> yes
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[14:22] <+iliketrading> filled 2nd car +2tick
[14:32] <+ItalianSharp> not enough to push this thru...bears need to pull out something stronger than this
[14:34] <+ItalianSharp> bulls and bears...cant get the job the done
[14:34] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 897.25
[14:34] <+silo> or bulls not able to bring it up?
[14:34] <+ItalianSharp> still plenty of time left
[14:34] <+silo> the beauty of the market is we'll never know hehe
[14:35] <+ItalianSharp> here comes another attempt by bulls
[14:36] <+jigglyhippo> traderlady?
[14:36] <+silo> they do exist
[14:36] <+jbuch> all of the vol (what there is) is comming of the reversal from the bottom.
[14:36] <+ItalianSharp> bulls a little stronger this time
[14:36] <+ItalianSharp> just a little
[14:37] <+ItalianSharp> i want to see a breakout before 3pm...dont care which way
[14:37] <+jbuch> there aren't enough buyers above to attract any interest and keep it going though
[14:37] <+ItalianSharp> as long as someone pushes this thru this ugly range
[14:37] <+ItalianSharp> yes jbuch...same for sellers around LOD
[14:38] <+ItalianSharp> i see a litte more buyers now
[14:38] <+ItalianSharp> just a little
[14:38] <+silo> well it is ticking up a few ticks
[14:38] <+silo> but does taht mean anything?
[14:38] <+silo> hehe
[14:38] <+jbuch> yeah will hang onto it for a bit see what happens
[14:38] <+ItalianSharp> i am still very bearish overall
[14:38] <+silo> unless a BIG move appears, nobody is convinced. but by then it might be too late
[14:38] <+ItalianSharp> VERY BEARISH
[14:39] <+ItalianSharp> i just think we need to move higher to slash thru those lows
[14:39] <+ItalianSharp> guess a good scenario would be to keep chopping and then gap up/down on monday
[14:40] <+ItalianSharp> taht's how chop areas are taken care of
[14:40] <+ItalianSharp> less expensive for market makers
[14:40] <+jbuch> could be that we need to get up higher to atract more short interest
[14:40] <+ItalianSharp> yes, that's what i've been thinking since 11am
[14:45] <+ItalianSharp> any tradestation user can tell me why SPY 2min chart candlesticks look so small and squeezed?
[14:46] <+silo> it's because there was an erroneous print
[14:46] <+silo> you see that big upper shadow?
[14:46] <+silo> that's what's screwing up your chart
[14:46] <+ItalianSharp> oh...i see that now
[14:46] <+ItalianSharp> ty
[14:48] <+Nesi> time for the truth
[14:48] <+Nesi> it can go lower
[14:48] <+silo> of course it can
[14:48] <+silo> look at the daily chart
[14:48] <+ItalianSharp> since it's been a very boring day, little questionnaire for everyone: on a scale 1-10, how would you rate today's daytrading price action?
[14:48] <+ItalianSharp> i'd rate it 1-2 max
[14:49] <+silo> well think of it this way
[14:49] <+ItalianSharp> cant think of anything worse than this
[14:49] <+silo> if your'e trading longer timeframe. swing trading.
[14:49] <+silo> and yo're using daily chart
[14:49] <+silo> even on daily chart there's noise
[14:49] <+jbuch> 1
[14:49] <+silo> consolidation, pullback
[14:49] <+silo> right?
[14:49] <+jigglyhippo> 2
[14:49] <+silo> for example look at the drop since 6/16
[14:49] <+silo> there's noise after that, pullback, fake out, consoidation
[14:49] <+silo> so if swing trading has noise
[14:50] <+Nesi> 892 area next area..IMHO
[14:50] <+silo> and you're trading intraday where it also has noise such as middle of the day. etc
[14:50] <+ItalianSharp> selling pressure coming in
[14:50] <+silo> then sometimes you're trading the noise of noise
[14:50] <+ItalianSharp> bigger conviction this time
[14:50] <+silo> the noise of nosie
[14:50] <+silo> since certain days are nosie days
[14:50] <+Nesi> I wont believe the break till i see it
[14:50] <+Nesi> because in reality anything can happen
[14:50] <+silo> and within each days there is also noise
[14:51] <+Nesi> BIG thunderstorm going on here
[14:52] <+Nesi> mamamia
[14:52] <+jbuch> when isn't there a big thunderstorm going on there:)
[14:52] <+Nesi> well, we are in the season of rain...etc
[14:52] <+jbuch> same here
[14:53] <+ItalianSharp> i think i am done for today...you guys have a good long weekend and see you on monday
[14:53] <+Nesi> you too italiano...have fun
[14:53] <+jbuch> cya IS
[14:55] <+rickf> yeah me too i think ... this has been an utter waste of a day
[14:55] <+rickf> tho it let me get a bunch of paperwork done
[14:55] <+silo> :P
[14:55] <+jbuch> cya rick
[14:55] <+rickf> cya -- enjoy the long w/e everyone
[14:55] <+ItalianSharp> 1hr of big drop...then 6hrs of HUGE CONTRACTION...hopefully the 3.30pm traders will get something to trade with
[14:56] <+Nesi> you too Rick
[14:56] <+ItalianSharp> the 2pm traders couldnt do squat
[14:56] <+ItalianSharp> well, i am done anyways...good luck to those who are still seeking opportunities
[14:56] <+silo> perhaps they are waiting for 3pm suprise attack
[14:57] <+silo> i'm just sitting here watching a movie 'cuz i'm holding my shorts long term
[14:57] <+silo> see you monday sharp
[14:58] <+Nesi> if i get disconnected , well...you know why, this looks more like a tornado here now
[14:58] <+jbuch> really do u have a safe place to go
[14:59] <+Nesi> no time to go anywhere
[14:59] <+Nesi> only place is the emergency stairs
[14:59] <+Nesi> which is made of concrete
[14:59] <+jbuch> that will do it
[15:00] <+jbuch> probably a seperate tower by itself
[15:01] <+jigglyhippo> be safe nesi
[15:05] <+OICU812> back from lunch
[15:06] <+OICU812> im still in a long that has not moved
[15:09] <+OICU812> how you guys doing? still awake?
[15:09] <+jbuch> Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 898.25 --> + 1
[15:10] <+jigglyhippo> yuppp jb's awake and making that $$$
[15:10] <+jigglyhippo> thats what i like to see
[15:10] <+jigglyhippo>
[15:11] <+OICU812>
[15:11] <+jbuch> actually closed that 1 the first time it was up here about 10 minutes ago but got distracted and did't wanna look like a poser and post it when price was back down to my entry
[15:12] <+jigglyhippo> nice very respectable
[15:12] <+jbuch> thats how I roll
[15:14] <+jigglyhippo> its cause youre johnny hammersticks
[15:14] <+jbuch> no way no how
[15:21] <+Nesi> gut feel that as we get closer to 3:30 it feels to me we will drill the low..IMHO
[15:23] <+jbuch> Exited Remainder ES Long @ 896.25 --> - 1
[15:23] <+silo> see. dont rule out the shorts just because it's slowing down
[15:23] <+Nesi> I am waiting at 892.50
[15:23] <+OICU812> im out of the long
[15:24] <+silo> :D
[15:24] <+silo> do i need to tell you guys how happy i am to see this lol
[15:24] <+silo> :D
[15:24] <+OICU812> long again 894.5
[15:27] <+silo> still 30 more mintues to go
[15:29] <+OICU812> i guess thats going to be it for longs today
[15:29] <+silo> DOW's volume today is higher than yesterday. DIA at least
[15:31] <+OICU812> not so good on my first experiment with swings
[15:32] <+iliketrading> maybe try sim for a bit Oic?
[15:32] <+codehead> oh my stop hit on remainder, -1.75 ES <paper>
[15:32] <+OICU812> just needs some getting used to
[15:32] <+OICU812> i guess
[15:32] <+codehead> been dealing with stocks
[15:32] <+OICU812> still think it was a good trade
[15:32] <+OICU812> traded acoording to plan
[15:32] <+iliketrading> cool
[15:33] <+OICU812> here comes a push up
[15:34] <+silo> daily chart. if we b reak the neckline of this bearish H&S .. oh boy. down we go
[15:35] <@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 894.00 -> small size
[15:35] <@NihabaAshi> 2 only
[15:37] <@NihabaAshi> Exited all ES Long @ 894.00 --> 0
[15:37] <@NihabaAshi> I don't like what the price action is doing
[15:37] <@NihabaAshi> it's stalling
[15:37] <+silo> 8194 on daily chart
[15:37] <+silo> ym
[15:37] <+silo> if we break that today or monday
[15:37] <+silo> say good night to long
[15:37] <+silo>
[15:38] <+OICU812> finally moving up
[15:38] <@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 894.50 -> small size
[15:38] <@NihabaAshi> 3 only
[15:39] <+ItalianSharp> we finally broke down...it'll be interesting to see where we close
[15:39] <@NihabaAshi> intuition in reaction to prior trade
[15:39] <+ItalianSharp> NQ has major support at 1436
[15:40] <@NihabaAshi> nearing profit target of prior trade
[15:40] <+OICU812> 895.00 scale out
[15:40] <+silo> sellers were just waiting for longs to get trapped earlier
[15:40] <+silo> on daily chart. there are bearish H&S NQ YM ES
[15:40] <+silo> if monday we gap below that ... be careful for increase in shorting intensity
[15:42] <+OICU812> i havent seen a summer like this in years
[15:42] <@NihabaAshi>
[15:42] <+iliketrading> is that really bad oic?
[15:42] <+ItalianSharp> yes, its ugly compared to prior yrs
[15:42] <+iliketrading> damn
[15:43] <+OICU812> last couple of years there was big moves in the summer
[15:43] <+iliketrading> my first time trading summer
[15:43] <+iliketrading> ok
[15:43] <+ItalianSharp> this is the worse in the last 5yrs
[15:43] <+iliketrading> omg damn
[15:43] <+ItalianSharp> worse --_> worst
[15:43] <+iliketrading> my luck
[15:43] <+ItalianSharp> i think we are going to get this kind of ugly price action for another 2yrs minimum
[15:44] <+ItalianSharp> there will be good months in between of course
[15:44] <+iliketrading> i just want a couple points per car a day
[15:44] <+ItalianSharp> but i am not expecting overall volatility to improve any time soon
[15:44] <+silo> i wouldn't use bad or good as a way to describe it. we just experienced catastrophic meltdown. and we bounced back a lot without too much fundamentals to back it up. and now we're at a major decision area for the market. so it's NATURAL for the market to behave this way in my opinion. at this time and place in teh market
[15:44] <+iliketrading> i saw some charts form 2003-4 6 pt range day!
[15:44] <+jbuch> same here ilike
[15:44] <+drt> s es 95
[15:45] <+ItalianSharp> i am watching a YM 2min chart and it looks like it has dropped 200pts from 3pm
[15:45] <+silo> after this. a big move will happen. then you guys wont think the summer is dead
[15:45] <+ItalianSharp> its only 35pts
[15:45] <+silo> it's just how the market operates. it needs time to think
[15:45] <+jbuch> I leave my swing trading for my long term account and take what the market gives me during the day
[15:46] <@NihabaAshi> Exited all ES Long @ 895.00 --> + 0.5
[15:46] <@NihabaAshi>
[15:46] <+silo> once it starts its move..... whether it's up or down. then trust me. all the money will start pouring in. you think people aren't insterested in the market now becuae it's summer?
[15:46] <+jbuch> if the waves r only 1 point then go for 1 if they are 4points go for 4
[15:46] <+silo> funds lost a lot of money. so they will want to make it back
[15:46] <+silo> whether it's on the short or long side
[15:46] <+silo> everyone is just waiting for the right movement
[15:46] <+silo> and belive me. this summer wont be like any other
[15:47] <+silo> this is a once in a life time scenario
[15:47] <+silo> some people want to grab prices at a bargain
[15:47] <+silo> so trust me, funds wont leave just because it's summer
[15:47] <+Nesi> Covered all ES Short @ 895.25 --> + 2
[15:47] <+silo> it oculd be the chance of a life time
[15:47] <tribe> agree
[15:47] <+silo> but when will it go up. or whether or not we will . that's a different story. but people can make money long or short same for the funds
[15:48] <+ItalianSharp> lol at bears
[15:48] <+OICU812> finally a long thats working
[15:48] <+iliketrading> did u get back in o?
[15:48] <+Nesi> u had the right read but timing was off..OICU
[15:48] <+OICU812> i'd think that its the slowness that allows for things to happen to both sides
[15:48] <+OICU812> anyway, no harm
[15:51] <+Nesi> have a good night all and thanks for helping as always
[15:51] <+jbuch> you to nesi
[15:51] <+silo> later nesi
[15:51] <+jbuch> have a good weekend
[15:51] <+fcb98292> Good weekend to all
[15:52] <+jbuch> same here
[15:52] <+silo> later guys
[15:52] <+OICU812> go longs
[15:54] <+silo> that day
[15:54] <+drt> cs es 96
[15:56] <+ItalianSharp> with that said, have a good weekend all
[15:59] <+OICU812> ok im out of longs
[15:59] <+OICU812> flat for the weekend
[15:59] <+silo> 1 more minute left
[15:59] <+silo> that's what i said
[15:59] <+silo> :P
[16:00] <+silo> decent day for the shorts. but nothing proven yet. we'll ahve to see what will happen after the holiday
[16:02] <+iliketrading> good evening all...
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[18:48] <@NihabaAshi> Just got back in from dinner out with family...heading out to a soccer game now.
[18:48] <@NihabaAshi> Take care everybody and have a safe/fun 4th of July holiday...
[18:48] <@NihabaAshi> See all on Monday
[18:49] * NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away
Session Close: Thu Jul 02 18:49:16 2009

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