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 Post subject: September 25th Wednesday - Futures, Forex, Stocks and ETFs
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:25 pm 
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Session Start: Wed Sep 25 09:49:12 2013
Session Ident: ##TheStrategyLab
[09:49:12] * Now talking in ##TheStrategyLab
[09:49:12] * Topic is 'Chat room only for traders using WRB Analysis (WRBs, WRB Hidden GAPs, WRB Zones) for day trading, swing trading or position trading. | WRB Analysis free study guide @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum ... 119&t=718'
[09:49:12] * Set by wrbtrader on Tue Feb 05 08:11:19
[09:49:12] ##TheStrategyLab url is http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum/
[09:49:37] <wrbtrader> Good morning...got some connection problems
[09:49:47] <kristi39> good morning
[09:49:48] <MattyR> gm
[09:52:42] <TigermanTrader> sh ES 1688
[09:54:18] <TigermanTrader> exit es 1688.75 -3 tk
[10:01:25] <TigermanTrader> a lot of long lower shadows
[10:02:19] <kristi39> yep and right off the lows
[10:04:33] <wrbtrader> Only one schedule key market event remaining today @ 1030am est
[10:06:37] <TigermanTrader> long ES 1689
[10:09:42] <TigermanTrader> exit es 1688 -4tk :(
[10:10:19] <TigermanTrader> sh ES 1687
[10:11:19] <TigermanTrader> exit 1/2 es 1685.5 + 6 tk
[10:13:10] <TigermanTrader> exit remainder es 1685.75 + 5 tk
[10:13:25] <kristi39> nice trade
[10:14:07] <kristi39> wrbhg on es 3 min
[10:14:20] <kristi39> oh not yet i guess
[10:14:28] <canaandog> good morning
[10:14:35] <kristi39> because candle has not closed on 3 min es
[10:15:07] <kristi39> now it is a wrbhg
[10:15:11] <kristi39> on es 3 min
[10:17:13] <kristi39> oil inventories in 13 min
[10:22:59] <kristi39> looks like es is trying to fill the 3 min gap
[10:23:16] <kristi39> just filled it
[10:27:05] <TigermanTrader> long es 1688.5
[10:27:15] <TigermanTrader> late entry due distraction
[10:27:50] <TigermanTrader> exit 1/2 ES 1689.75
[10:28:03] <TigermanTrader> +5tk
[10:29:44] <wrbtrader> Gold GC futures trying to remain stable above its most recent Up WRB Hidden GAP on the 2min chart
[10:30:15] <wrbtrader> EuroFX 6E futres increasing volatility
[10:30:46] <wrbtrader> Long Gold GC @ 1325.00 -> small size
[10:30:56] <wrbtrader> 2+1 contractes
[10:32:20] <wrbtrader> volatility declining in the Euro...
[10:32:30] <wrbtrader> lets see now if other key markets pick up that volatility
[10:33:04] <wrbtrader> Crude Oil CL futures volatility increasing
[10:33:20] <TigermanTrader> exir es 1689.25 +3tk
[10:34:43] <TigermanTrader> wrbtrader did you note GC future have same bid/ask size at various expiring date?
[10:35:20] <wrbtrader> Long Emini ES futures @ 1691.00 large size 10 contracts
[10:35:44] <wrbtrader> trade error...will hold
[10:36:37] <TigermanTrader> short cl 102.93
[10:36:48] <TigermanTrader> downmove in CL
[10:38:09] <TigermanTrader> exit all CL 102.89 +4tk
[10:39:19] <wrbtrader> Exit all Emini TF futures @ 1690.25 -0.75
[10:39:34] <wrbtrader> overall a range bound price action for the Emini futures
[10:42:22] <TigermanTrader> long es 1691.5
[10:45:04] <wrbtrader> WRB pt1 reached on the increasing volatility in Gold GC futures
[10:45:18] <wrbtrader> Exited all Gold GC Long @ 1325.80 --> + 0.8
[10:48:37] <TigermanTrader> exit es 1690.5 -4tk
[11:00:57] <kristi39> GC WRB on 2 min
[11:01:29] <kristi39> looks like it will turn into a nice gap
[11:03:59] <wrbtrader> Gold GC futures volatility still increasing
[11:04:04] <kristi39> WRB - do you trade 2 min charts?
[11:04:21] <wrbtrader> I trade 2min, 3min, 5min and 15min charts
[11:04:27] <kristi39> ok thanks
[11:04:36] <wrbtrader> I'll add the 1min only on FOMC days or key volatility days
[11:06:22] <wrbtrader> I've tried in the past to use "scalper" intervals like tick charts and/or second charts...
[11:06:28] <wrbtrader> Too fast for me.
[11:06:50] <wrbtrader> or another way to look at it...I was too slow going from analysis to the trade
[11:09:01] <squiggles> gC VOLATILITY INCREASING
[11:09:20] <squiggles> sorry caps on by mistake
[11:09:24] <kristi39> That gold trade would have been very nice from entry at 1325
[11:10:03] <wrbtrader> would ?
[11:10:16] <wrbtrader> I was a nice entry and it reached its profit target
[11:10:24] <kristi39> if you held
[11:10:32] <wrbtrader> Its a shame I didn't get another entry signal
[11:10:53] <wrbtrader> I don't hold trades beyond their targets
[11:10:55] <wrbtrader> UNLESS
[11:11:00] <wrbtrader> I'm already up big for the day
[11:11:10] <kristi39> ok
[11:11:17] <wrbtrader> That's when I can afford to take a risk and try to milk it for more
[11:11:27] <wrbtrader> Until that happens...stick to the plan
[11:12:54] <kristi39> Geez Gold just keep on going
[11:14:56] <wrbtrader> It got hit HEAVY on the downside on Friday...
[11:15:16] <wrbtrader> Its now back inside that low area of that trend day
[11:15:36] <wrbtrader> 15min chart
[11:16:25] <kristi39> ok I see - just pulled up the 15 min
[11:16:53] <wrbtrader> It needs to go a little higher inside the range of a big WRB Hidden GAP on Friday to catch my attention again.
[11:16:57] <kristi39> I know I have a lot to learn. Your concepts are new to me.
[11:17:17] <wrbtrader> That's why I'm just sitting low now...hoping...waiting for it to go a little higher
[11:19:11] <r33gmd> i see selling coming into GC futures on min chart
[11:21:25] <NDW> L TF 6 c. @ 1075.6, exit all @ 1076.1 +15 ticks
[11:21:42] <r33gmd> and a nice double top pattern
[11:21:50] <NDW> correction 1077.1
[11:23:28] <wrbtrader> Hmmm...volatility just dried up in many different key markets about the same time.
[11:23:36] <wrbtrader> I'm now expecting a volatility spike here soon
[11:26:02] <wrbtrader> Long Emini ES @ 1693.50 -> large size
[11:26:18] <wrbtrader> 10 contracts
[11:26:45] <TigermanTrader> long es 1693.75
[11:26:49] <wrbtrader> position size error...needed 20 or 25 contracts for this type of expected volatility increase
[11:28:38] <NDW> L TF 6 c. 1077.3
[11:28:48] <wrbtrader> looks like Emini TF futures trying to prove me I should have traded it instead of the Emini ES
[11:29:59] <canaandog> cl back to pre-kme levels
[11:30:47] <wrbtrader> Yeah, Crude Oil CL futures battle its way back upwards above some key WRB Hidden GAPs (change in supply/demand)
[11:31:14] <NDW> 5 off 1078.4, +11 ticks, 1 trailing at +1 stop
[11:31:26] <wrbtrader> Emini TF futures struggling
[11:31:43] <wrbtrader> Emini ES too now
[11:32:48] <NDW> +2 on last contract
[11:33:06] <wrbtrader> another volatility spike in Forex EurUsd, EuroFX 6E futures or the U.S. Dollar
[11:34:27] <wrbtrader> volatility contraction returned now in different key markets
[11:34:46] <TigermanTrader> yeah a lot of contracting that make me nervous
[11:34:54] <NDW> TF & ES have hit the brakes
[11:35:02] <TigermanTrader> fear of a spike against me
[11:35:18] <TigermanTrader> while I plan for a spike in my direction :)
[11:35:20] <wrbtrader> Yeah, I'm now tightning my stop loss
[11:35:38] <wrbtrader> another pending volatility spike
[11:35:53] <wrbtrader> Hopefully it takes prices upwards and not downwards
[11:36:04] <TigermanTrader> we all hope the spike happen on up side:)
[11:36:05] <NDW> it's trying
[11:37:06] <wrbtrader> WRB pt1 reached
[11:37:50] <wrbtrader> Exited all Emini ES Long @ 1694.75 --> + 1.25
[11:38:49] <TigermanTrader> exit 1/2 ES at 1694.5 +3tk
[11:39:02] <TigermanTrader> I try milk more on remainders
[11:42:19] <TigermanTrader> exit remainders ES at 1694 +1tk
[11:45:07] <@wrbtrader> WRB Analysis -> - Your use of this chat room implies you're using concepts from WRB Analysis for price action trading to help trade either Stocks, Emini Futures (EMD, TF, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX 6E Futures, Eurex/Euronext Futures (DAX, ESTX50, FTSE100, CAC40, BUND), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), Oil Futures (Brent, CL, HO, QM), Gold GC Futures, Natural Gas NG Futures, Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, XLE, QQQ, SPY), Hang Seng HSI Futures, NIFTY Futures, Forex Currencies (GbpUsd, EurUsd, EurYen, UsdCad) and other key market price actions.
[11:45:39] <NDW> WRBTrader: Do you use Trillian or mIRC?
[11:48:12] <@wrbtrader> I use both
[11:48:30] <@wrbtrader> Trillian is backup.
[11:48:40] <@wrbtrader> I use something different when I'm mobile
[11:48:48] <@wrbtrader> android tablet
[11:49:44] <NDW> I am unable to get mIRC to find ##TheStrategyLab, can I get help at the EOD?
[11:50:13] <@wrbtrader> mIRC can NOT find ##TheStrategyLab
[11:50:18] <@wrbtrader> its not there
[11:50:30] <@wrbtrader> Thus, its not a default chat room
[11:50:45] <NDW> That explains it :)
[11:51:07] <@wrbtrader> You have to input it into the list of default chat room via simply click the ADD or Edit button in the list of shown chat room
[11:52:14] <NDW> I have done that. When I log into that room through othernet it shows only me in the room with an @ in front of my name as the moderator
[11:53:01] <@wrbtrader> Yeah...that's probably because we're not on the Othernet :)
[11:53:06] <@wrbtrader> Its freenode
[11:53:14] <NDW> let me try that
[11:54:13] <NDW> I've got to go back to the instructions, give me a moment
[11:54:26] <@wrbtrader> ok
[11:55:13] <@wrbtrader> Emini TF futures doing its superman thing again
[11:55:39] <NDW> sure is, missed that last entry
[11:58:28] <NDW> sorry for asking, but where were the detailed instructions for mIRC, I can't find them in the TSL forum
[12:00:19] <TigermanTrader> take care all and see all next time
[12:00:35] <NDW> adios
[12:01:31] <NDW> WRBTrader: I found it in VTR, never mind.
[12:02:47] <@wrbtrader> Ok...its in the same thread as the password
[12:10:22] <NDW> I need to delete the othernet server, but can't find command in the help section of mIRC on how to do that.
[12:15:55] <NDW1> Ha, I am cooking with gas now!
[12:16:37] * NDW1 is now known as NDW
[12:17:50] <@wrbtrader> You don't need to delete Othernet...you just need to NOT use it.
[12:18:05] <@wrbtrader> Freenode and Othernet are default servers as are about 100 others
[12:18:31] <NDW> I had to change the default server on the ##TheStrategyLab channel from othernet to freenode
[12:18:42] <NDW> never used mIRC before
[12:18:47] <@wrbtrader> Yeah...via that "Edit" button
[12:19:14] <NDW> just deleted the channel and reinserted it with freenode - figured there was an easier way, but didn't know it
[12:21:07] <NDW> WRBTrader: Do you show a v2 and v1 in 3 min. TF for FVB @ 10:15 & 10:27?
[12:21:48] <NDW> volatility increasing
[12:23:05] <@wrbtrader> Yes but on my charts its est time zone as 1115am and 1124am est
[12:23:21] <NDW> ok - thwnk you
[12:23:24] <@wrbtrader> meant NO on the 1124
[12:23:37] <@wrbtrader> just the 1115am est (1015am cst)
[12:24:11] <@wrbtrader> that interval you called a v1 is can't be a v1 even if it was a WRB Hidden GAP
[12:24:37] <@wrbtrader> Mainly because there MUST be volatility contraction (3 intervals minium) between v2 and v1
[12:24:42] <NDW> okay - thank you - will look at FVB notes
[12:25:34] <NDW> there are 3 intervals in my chart between v1 & v2
[12:27:29] <@wrbtrader> I only have 2 intervals
[12:28:30] <@wrbtrader> Your data vendor gives those times you quoted as Open times or Close times of the interval ?
[12:28:41] <@wrbtrader> That may be the difference in our data
[12:28:53] <NDW> we definitely have different data services, same thing yesterday. two green bars (consecutive) and one red between v2 & v1
[12:29:27] <@wrbtrader> Even if we had different data...
[12:29:36] <@wrbtrader> We aren't going to lose an entire interval
[12:29:58] <@wrbtrader> I think your counting in error one of those consecutive WRB HG as a contraction interval
[12:30:49] <@wrbtrader> Closing interval of 1115an is a WRB HG...the next interval that closes at 1118am is a bigger WRB HG
[12:30:57] <NDW> yes, you are correct
[12:30:59] <NDW> my error
[12:33:51] <NDW> yes, so 11:18est bar would be v2 for a potential FVB setup?
[12:55:04] <@wrbtrader> No
[12:55:28] <@wrbtrader> Primarily because there's no valid v1 interval
[12:55:34] * NDW is now known as NDWaway
[12:56:19] <NDWaway> okay, I obviously need to reread and study FVB - thought I had a handle on it - posted some charts in FVB which are probably not correct
[12:56:52] <@wrbtrader> Yeah, I saw some of those charts...others have already chimed in and posted what's wrong with them
[12:57:06] <NDWaway> i'll go look at them, thanks for the help
[12:57:24] <@wrbtrader> If I remember one today was that your counting WRB's bigger than v1 or bigger than v2
[12:57:47] <@wrbtrader> Intervals between v1 and v2 are volatility contraction intervals NOT bigger than v1 and v2
[12:58:11] <@wrbtrader> If the were bigger as they are in your charts...
[12:58:27] <@wrbtrader> we then don't have a valid v1 or valid v2
[12:58:44] <@wrbtrader> Simply, we can't call those intervals "volatility contraction"
[12:58:51] <NDWaway> I will go check the size of the bars and verify or reject the setup.
[12:58:59] <@wrbtrader> contraction = it got smaller
[12:59:58] <NDWaway> definitely yesterday's TF chart is invalid.
[13:01:52] <NDWaway> The second chart has a red bar in the contraction between v2 & v1 that is the exact same size as what I labeled v2. Is the rule < or <= for contracting bars between v2 & v1?
[13:17:17] <@wrbtrader> each interval size in the volatility contraction < interval size of v1 and v2
[13:17:28] <@wrbtrader> not bigger and not equal...only smaller
[13:31:57] <t4npaper> I'm missing all this...
[13:32:33] * NDWaway is now known as NDW
[13:34:33] <NDW> s TF 1072.4 6 C
[13:36:14] <NDW> covered +2 - didn't like what I saw after entry
[14:05:17] <@wrbtrader> Just got back from lunch
[14:46:23] <@wrbtrader> Eminis range bound after that price drop
[15:25:04] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini ES @ 1687.75 -> large size
[15:25:16] <@wrbtrader> 20 contracts (10+10)
[15:25:22] <@wrbtrader> volatility slowly increasing
[15:26:16] <@wrbtrader> :(
[15:26:18] <@wrbtrader> geeesh
[15:27:34] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini ES Short @ 1687.50 --> + 0.25
[15:27:45] <@wrbtrader> looking for a re-short
[15:28:01] <@wrbtrader> hopefully I can get a better entry
[15:56:30] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini ES @ 1686.50 -> large size
[15:56:45] <@wrbtrader> waited for a trade signal at a higher level...didn't get a signal
[15:56:54] <@wrbtrader> now I get a trade signal at a lower price :(
[15:57:00] <@wrbtrader> 20 contracts
[15:57:08] <@wrbtrader> volatility slowly increasing
[15:57:48] <@wrbtrader> snap back
[15:59:55] <@wrbtrader> there goes Emini TF futures doing its superman thing while Emini ES futures is sluggish
[16:04:35] <@wrbtrader> Gold GC futures moving in the post price action...very strange to see it do that
[16:04:58] <@wrbtrader> because of such, if I was in a different time zone...
[16:05:19] <@wrbtrader> I would trade Gold GC futures in the overnight session because something is going on with it
[16:06:11] <@wrbtrader> That was a ton of volatlity contraction into the last hour of the Eminis trading session while other key markets were contracting.
[16:06:26] <@wrbtrader> Usually that would setup a 4pm est rush hour volatility spike and it didn't
[16:06:53] <@wrbtrader> Thus, I'm going to be expecting tomorrow to produce a trend day or strong continuation price action soon out of the gate.
[16:08:12] <NDW> good bye all, have a nice evening
[16:08:31] <NDW> i hope it is a strong trend day tomorrow
[16:09:37] <@wrbtrader> WRB pt1 shallow reached
[16:09:54] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini ES Short @ 1686.25 --> + 0.25
[16:10:09] <@wrbtrader> It's that type of a trading day :(
[16:10:32] * NDW is now known as NDWaway
[16:10:37] <@wrbtrader> take care all...will look forward to tomorrow and call it quits today
Session Close: Wed Sep 25 20:13:10 2013


##TheStrategyLab (located on the Freenode IRC network) is free and is a serious professional trading chat room involving WRB Analysis in which any trader (position trading, swing trading, day trading) can use the chat room to post their trades or commentaries about stocks, futures, exchange traded funds or forex currencies. Simply, you don't need to be a client of TheStrategyLab.com to use the chat room nor do you need to be a price action trader (no indicators) because some members use indicators while others do not. Yet, the only requirement is that you want to learn WRB Analysis.

Therefore, we welcome all traders that want to learn about WRB Analysis regardless if they are beginners or experience traders in price action trading.

The purpose of ##TheStrategyLab is that it's designed to be a trade journal for documentation purposes only so that members can have a time stamp archive of trades and market commentaries of each trading day so that they can better understand their broker statements from one trade to the next trade when they review their performance numbers on any given trading day.

Further, members are not obligated to educate nor help other members but members are encourage to ask questions about any trades or market commentaries that's posted by others because sometimes the answers contains useful trading tips.

In addition, our primary job in the free chat room is to moderate the room (keep the peace) because with so many members using different trade signal methods along with different opinions about the market...debates or arguments can easily flare up without moderating. In addition, our presence in the chat room is to ensure it's a spam free chat room during trading although these archived chat logs may contain advertisements for guest visitors.

Commonly discussed trading instruments from stocks, futures, exchange traded funds and forex currencies:

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Image ICE Emini TF Futures (formerly CME ER2)

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Image Eurex Index Derivatives (futures) DAX and DJ Euro Stoxx50

Image Eurex Fixed Income Derivatives (futures) BUND, BOBL and Schatz

Image Euronext Futures FTSE-100 and CAC-40

Image CME Futures EuroFX 6E and EC

Image Treasury Futures T-Notes ZT, ZN, ZF and T-Bonds ZB

Image Forex Currencies Gbp/Usd, Eur/Usd, Eur/Yen and Usd/Cad

Image Exchange Traded Funds VXX, DIA, IWM, QQQ, SPY, BGU, FAS, FAZ, TNA, OIH, XLE and GLD

Image NYMEX Energy Futures Light Crude Oil CL, Brent Crude Oil BRN, e-miNY QM and Natural Gas NG

Image COMEX Metal Futures Gold GC, mini-Gold YG, Copper HG and Silver SI

Image S&P CNX NIFTY Futures

Image Hang Seng Index Futures HSI and mini-Hang Seng MHI

Also, to prevent the usual mix-up about our different chat rooms, most of our fee-base clients do not use chat rooms just like most retail traders do not use chat rooms. Yet, the few clients that do use chat rooms, our fee-base clients are discussing market analysis or price action only trade signals via concepts from our strategies in the private chat rooms called ##VolatilityTradingTSL or ##WRB_Analysis and they're not allowed to do such in ##TheStrategyLab.

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