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 Post subject: September 10th Monday - Futures, Forex, Stocks and ETFs
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:26 pm 
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#TheStrategyLab (formerly known as #FuturesTrades) is free along with being a serious professional trading chat room involving WRB Analysis and any trader can use the chat room to post their real-time trades, real-time price action analysis or market commentaries involving stocks, futures, exchange traded funds or forex currencies. Further, although our chat room is smaller than the other popular chat rooms...we are the most active chat room in posting trades, price action analysis or market commentaries in comparison to other free chat rooms.

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Session Start: Mon Sep 10 07:30:25 2012
Session Ident: #TheStrategyLab
[07:30:25] * Now talking in #TheStrategyLab
[07:30:25] * Topic is ' WRB Analysis Traders using WRB Analysis - WRBs, WRB Hidden GAPs, WRB Zones, FVB Basic Trade Signal Strategy @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum '
[07:30:25] * Set by X on Wed Aug 22 20:20:21
[07:58:43] <@X> #TheStrategyLab -> Chat room for traders using concepts from WRB Analysis to understand "market context" and to help improve the performance of your trade signal strategies. WRB Analysis free study guide @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum ... =119&t=718
[09:22:47] <+Trendtrader> gm all
[09:30:16] <+Trendtrader> Long Emini TF @ 841.7 «« simulator »»
[09:30:19] <+Trendtrader> x10
[09:30:29] <Tigerman> gm all
[09:34:59] <+Tigerman> Shorts iShares IWM @ 84.14
[09:35:10] <+Tigerman> Covered all iShares IWM Short @ 84.10 --> + 0.04
[09:35:30] <+Tigerman> small size just to test if today IB works :)
[09:36:03] <+Tigerman> c onfusing action right now
[09:41:29] <+Tigerman> volatility contraction also in CL
[09:42:42] <+Trendtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 840 --> - 1.7 «« simulator »»
[09:43:44] <@X> #TheStrategyLab -> Chat room for traders using concepts from WRB Analysis to understand "market context" and to help improve the performance of your trade signal strategies. WRB Analysis free study guide @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum ... =119&t=718
[09:46:02] <+Tigerman> IB platform crashed now
[09:46:10] <+Tigerman> 2nd time today :(
[09:52:41] <+Tigerman> restarted and again crash I ll look if some upgrade is needed :(
[09:57:28] <@wrbtrader> Dont trade until you fix that IB platform crash problem.
[09:57:51] <@wrbtrader> If it started doing such after a recent upgrade to the IB platform...
[09:58:16] <@wrbtrader> Call them and ask for a link where you can go back and get the older version that worked
[09:59:06] <+Tigerman> ok thanks curiously the crash happen with a working platform till last week
[09:59:24] <+Tigerman> so now I ll try to upgrade and let see
[10:00:14] <@wrbtrader> Why upgrade if you know the prior version worked ?
[10:00:42] <+Tigerman> because now crash 3 times
[10:00:56] <@wrbtrader> Why not just go back to the prior working version ???
[10:01:04] <+Tigerman> and in reality last week not working good with etf
[10:01:29] <+Tigerman> I noted with IB when such happen is their way to say upgrade it !!
[10:01:45] <@wrbtrader> For example...
[10:02:08] <canaandog> how long was version that you're using now working for you, before began crashing?
[10:02:13] <+Tigerman> ok good this is another option I can try if the last one not works
[10:02:20] <@wrbtrader> One of my platform have had 8 new versions in the past 2 years.
[10:02:39] <@wrbtrader> pretend its 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8
[10:03:07] <@wrbtrader> I'm still using version 2 because its flawless (no problems).
[10:03:18] <@wrbtrader> In contrast, version 3 - 8 crashes OFTEN
[10:03:40] <@wrbtrader> Old saying, if it works...don't upgrade it :)
[10:04:06] <@wrbtrader> If it does not work...first try going back to a prior version that worked
[10:04:19] <@wrbtrader> If that doesn't work...that's when you upgrade
[10:05:05] <+Tigerman> now upgraded
[10:05:17] <+Tigerman> I ll let you know
[10:05:27] <+Tigerman> version 929.6
[10:11:58] <+Tigerman> Long iShares IWM @ 84.13
[10:12:07] <+Tigerman> Exited all iShares IWM Long @ 84.16 --> + 0.03
[10:12:26] <+Tigerman> small size while testing if new upgrfade on IB is stable
[10:14:44] <+Tigerman> wow just traded it exit and IB crashed again :(
[10:15:21] <+Tigerman> in contrast ToS working as secondary broker as chart
[10:16:18] <+Tigerman> only commisions is higher on ETF and no have enought money to obercome the daily pattern rule
[10:16:33] <@wrbtrader> You're rolling the dice with the crashes
[10:16:52] <@wrbtrader> Simply, trading is tough enough with the market itself...
[10:17:08] <@wrbtrader> more tough when you continue using something that doesn't work well :(
[10:17:36] <@wrbtrader> You really should call them about their older versions that worked for you prior to the crashes
[10:18:12] <@wrbtrader> If IB has ALWYAYS done this...there's something wrong with your computer...not IB
[10:18:46] <@wrbtrader> Especially if your other (backup) brokers work just fine.
[10:19:27] <+Tigerman> this kind of crash is first time only today
[10:19:34] <@wrbtrader> ???
[10:19:48] <+Tigerman> I no install of modify nothing
[10:19:59] <@wrbtrader> For some odd reason I though you have been talking about crashes for several days now ???
[10:20:05] <@wrbtrader> sorry, I misunderstood
[10:20:09] <leoconteisni> any good trade today?
[10:20:12] <+Tigerman> I mean never happen IB broker crash like today in the past
[10:20:43] <@wrbtrader> If it wasn't you talking about crashes in IB platform recently...
[10:21:05] <@wrbtrader> Who was it in here because I know someone was talking about it.
[10:21:39] <+Tigerman> just as x curiousity I wanna try previous older version
[10:21:49] <@wrbtrader> I believe there was someone talking about IB crashes LAST WEEK
[10:22:30] <+Tigerman> more on that I try IB on my notebook with all last added fix in WIN XP
[10:23:15] <+Tigerman> just to be sure is not my trading pc side
[10:23:34] <@wrbtrader> Just remember, IB doesn't force you to continue using them :)
[10:23:46] <@wrbtrader> I used IB once and they crashed on me twice in one day.
[10:23:51] <@wrbtrader> NEVER used them again.
[10:24:04] <+leoconteisni> lol
[10:24:11] <+leoconteisni> wich broker is IB?
[10:24:20] <@wrbtrader> Interactive Brokers
[10:24:30] <+Tigerman> yes
[10:25:37] <+Tigerman> anywaqy is strange nver have crash like this in many years
[10:26:51] <@wrbtrader> Tigerman...what did IB tell you about the crashes after you talked to them ???
[10:26:53] <+Tigerman> also IB have many markets and seems very safe to deposit money there
[10:27:21] <+Tigerman> also till I build my confidence etf commision is low
[10:27:46] <@wrbtrader> Tigerman...what did IB tell you about the crashes after you talked to them ???
[10:28:30] <+Tigerman> they say everything is ok but I ll try again to know on that :)
[10:29:14] <@wrbtrader> How long you been using IB platform ?
[10:29:43] <+Tigerman> many years on same PC
[10:30:16] <+Tigerman> upgfrade java recently to newer version
[10:30:21] <@wrbtrader> Is there a reason why you don't want to use a stable older version PRIOR to these crashes ???
[10:30:35] <+Tigerman> because seems Tos not worked good
[10:30:58] <@wrbtrader> I'm talking about IB...not TOS
[10:31:07] <@wrbtrader> Is there a reason why you don't want to use a stable older version PRIOR to these crashes ???
[10:31:08] <+Tigerman> no no have problem infact I ll now downgrade
[10:31:17] <@wrbtrader> Ahhh...ok.
[10:31:25] <@wrbtrader> Then you should be ok now.
[10:31:58] <@wrbtrader> If not, that's your evidence that the issue is your computer (e.g. java upgrade)
[10:32:28] <@wrbtrader> java upgrade problems are EASY to fix
[10:32:44] <@wrbtrader> They keep all the prior versions on their website.
[10:33:06] <@wrbtrader> Uninstall your new java version and then reinstall the older java version
[10:33:30] <@wrbtrader> One of my computers is in conflict with the most recent (newest) java
[10:33:30] <+Tigerman> yes thats good in contrast IB have only last version
[10:33:41] <+Tigerman> I assume is good :(
[10:33:42] <@wrbtrader> I have to use an older java version
[10:34:06] <+Tigerman> but I fear with older version ToS not works
[10:34:26] <+Tigerman> which Java version did you got?
[10:35:16] <@wrbtrader> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/java_update.xml
[10:35:24] <+Tigerman> just downgraded and restarted system
[10:35:30] <+Tigerman> IB ver 928.7
[10:36:03] <@wrbtrader> Tigerman...I now realize you're talking about TWO different things
[10:36:23] <@wrbtrader> There's a difference between Java and IB softward
[10:37:00] <+Tigerman> yes I try to have the newer on work
[10:37:29] <+Tigerman> now I have java 1.7.0_05
[10:37:37] <@wrbtrader> There's A LOT of trading platforms out there that won't (WILL NOT) work with the newest Java
[10:37:50] <@wrbtrader> They will ONLY work properly with the Old java version
[10:38:30] <+Tigerman> yep thanks to remaind me I take a note on this
[10:38:49] <+Tigerman> wrbtrader which version is your installed java ?
[10:39:02] <@wrbtrader> Just a second...
[10:39:10] <@wrbtrader> booting up the other computer
[10:39:23] <+Tigerman> so I can use that because I know Tos works with that on your side
[10:39:54] <+Tigerman> another things can be IB fight with Tos
[10:40:09] <+Tigerman> but usually no have that problems
[10:41:11] <+Tigerman> also I ll always look if I am out of memory I have only 2Gb installed but never surpassed that size as usage
[10:41:47] <+Tigerman> also I ll try to use only IB with no others chart now
[10:42:13] <@wrbtrader> My primary system has Java version 1.6.0_26
[10:42:38] <@wrbtrader> My other computer has NO java
[10:43:07] <@wrbtrader> and my backup trading system has Java 1.6.0_30
[10:43:47] <+Tigerman> thank you very much
[10:43:51] <@wrbtrader> A guy that does my network refuses to put Java 1.7 versions
[10:44:12] <+Tigerman> now after downgrade IB no have crash till now :)
[10:44:32] <+Tigerman> but book dome time sales working
[10:44:39] <+Tigerman> but charts not :(
[10:45:02] <@wrbtrader> Also, although I have Java 1.6 on my primary system...
[10:45:06] <@wrbtrader> It is DISABLE
[10:45:25] <@wrbtrader> for security reasons
[10:45:53] <+Tigerman> yep but I assume your broker doesn t need java right?
[10:45:57] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini TF @ 839.60 -> medium size
[10:46:02] <@wrbtrader> 4 contracts
[10:46:23] <+leoconteisni> wich time frame are u using?
[10:49:34] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini TF Short @ 839.80 --> - 0.2
[10:50:31] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini TF @ 839.70 -> medium size
[10:50:39] <@wrbtrader> 2+2
[10:50:44] <@wrbtrader> re-entry
[10:50:55] <@wrbtrader> prior trade stop moved too early
[10:51:40] <@wrbtrader> more volatility contraction = small reward
[10:52:30] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini TF Short @ 839.50 --> + 0.2
[10:52:41] <+Tigerman> Shorts iShares IWM @ 83.91
[10:52:50] <@wrbtrader> that was a WRB pt1 (only 2 ticks)
[10:53:06] <+Tigerman> Covered all iShares IWM Short @ 83.98 --> - 0.07
[10:54:19] <+Tigerman> seems IB works till now just to make me got a loss :(
[10:57:28] <@wrbtrader> IB did not cause your Loss...seriously
[10:57:43] <@wrbtrader> You have decided to continue using something that's not working properly
[10:57:53] <+Tigerman> ???
[10:58:13] <+Tigerman> I mean not have the loss because IIB :)
[10:58:20] <@wrbtrader> Ahhh...
[10:58:40] <@wrbtrader> I though you were saying IB platform was "still having problems".
[10:58:55] <+Tigerman> but meant after system works my reward for hard reconfigure works was a loss :)
[10:59:23] <+Tigerman> the loss was because price not continue down :(
[10:59:32] <@wrbtrader> ok
[10:59:37] <+Tigerman> on that creepy down move
[11:00:23] <+Tigerman> anyway fight with broker in add to the markets is to stressful :(
[11:01:02] <+Tigerman> anyway any good tip you give here is welcomed thanks wrbtrader
[11:05:30] <+Tigerman> today after market close for tennis follower we have US open man s final
[11:11:04] <+Tigerman> TF have a wrb hg at 11:06
[11:19:23] <+Tigerman> Long iShares IWM @ 84.21
[11:20:27] <+Tigerman> price glued here
[11:26:23] <+Tigerman> Exited all iShares IWM Long @ 84.13 --> - 0.08
[11:26:36] <+Tigerman> wait till now to thi... :(
[11:27:25] <+Tigerman> price move to slowly :(
[11:27:30] <+Tigerman> no nws today
[11:27:50] <+Tigerman> better I do home work
[11:28:44] <@X> #TheStrategyLab -> Chat room for traders using concepts from WRB Analysis to understand "market context" and to help improve the performance of your trade signal strategies. WRB Analysis free study guide @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum ... =119&t=718
[11:41:00] <+Tigerman> Long iShares IWM @ 84.13
[11:41:07] <+Tigerman> Exited 1/2 iShares IWM Long @ 84.15 --> + 0.02
[11:41:15] <+Tigerman> Exited Remainder iShares IWM Long @ 84.17 --> + 0.04
[11:46:02] <@wrbtrader> obvious volatility contraction that's also confirmed by the time of day
[11:47:48] <@wrbtrader> low volatility tight trading range...INSIDE the range of Friday's low volatility tight trading range
[11:48:35] <+leoconteisni> boring day
[11:48:37] <+leoconteisni> =p
[11:48:54] <+Tigerman> yes better stand aside and do nothing
[11:49:04] <+leoconteisni> yeah
[11:49:40] <+leoconteisni> ES was to get bought in about 1433.50
[11:49:57] <+leoconteisni> but i was sleeping
[11:52:29] <@wrbtrader> Long Emini TF @ 841.80 -> small size
[11:52:51] <@wrbtrader> scale in 1+1
[12:02:38] <@wrbtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 842.00 --> + 0.2
[12:03:14] <@wrbtrader> It reached a small WRB pt1 @ 842.20
[12:03:26] <@wrbtrader> held it a little longer to see if volatility would show up...
[12:03:40] <@wrbtrader> It didn't and I dumped it on the retrace
[12:42:47] <+Tigerman> take care see all next time
[12:58:44] <@X> #TheStrategyLab -> Chat room for traders using concepts from WRB Analysis to understand "market context" and to help improve the performance of your trade signal strategies. WRB Analysis free study guide @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum ... =119&t=718
[14:28:45] <@X> #TheStrategyLab -> Chat room for traders using concepts from WRB Analysis to understand "market context" and to help improve the performance of your trade signal strategies. WRB Analysis free study guide @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum ... =119&t=718
[15:22:26] <Tigerman> gm all
[15:22:42] <+Tigerman> Shorts iShares IWM @ 84.04
[15:22:49] <+Tigerman> Covered all iShares IWM Short @ 84.02 --> + 0.02
[15:23:05] <+Tigerman> not fast on first spoike
[15:23:12] <+Tigerman> spike
[15:23:41] <+Tigerman> not filled at 83.96 :(
[15:23:52] <+Tigerman> after that retrace very fast up
[15:30:26] <+Tigerman> entering last 30 minutes regularhr
[15:31:12] <+Tigerman> south move
[15:34:12] <+Tigerman> Shorts iShares IWM @ 84.02
[15:34:21] <+Tigerman> Covered 1/2 iShares IWM Short @ 84 --> + 0.02
[15:34:31] <+Tigerman> Covered Remainder iShares IWM Short @ 8399 --> - 8314.98
[15:44:37] <T4n_paper> i think mark would say, it made its move early
[15:45:50] <+Tigerman> Shorts iShares IWM @ 83.87
[15:46:02] <+Tigerman> Covered all iShares IWM Short @ 83.86 --> + 0.01
[15:46:10] <+T4n_paper> SS 838.5
[15:47:12] <+T4n_paper> E 839.1 -60
[15:47:57] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini TF @ 838.60 -> medium size
[15:48:07] <@wrbtrader> 2+2
[15:48:17] <@wrbtrader> just got back from some personal appointments today
[15:49:12] <+Tigerman> Shorts iShares IWM @ 83.83
[15:49:16] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini TF Short @ 838.00 --> + 0.6
[15:49:19] <@wrbtrader> WRB pt1 reached
[15:49:21] <+Tigerman> Covered all iShares IWM Short @ 83.81 --> + 0.02
[15:57:16] <+Tigerman> Shorts iShares IWM @ 83.89
[15:57:56] <+Tigerman> volatility increase but price are too glued
[15:58:35] <+Tigerman> vxx makes higher high
[15:58:45] <@X> #TheStrategyLab -> Chat room for traders using concepts from WRB Analysis to understand "market context" and to help improve the performance of your trade signal strategies. WRB Analysis free study guide @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/tsl/forum ... =119&t=718
[15:58:59] <+Tigerman> cuiously e-minis not fall in price
[16:11:47] <+Tigerman> Covered all iShares IWM Short @ 83.78 --> + 0.11
[16:22:50] <+Tigerman> take care see all next time
Session Close: Mon Sep 10 17:06:30 2012

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Therefore, we welcome all traders that want to learn about WRB Analysis regardless if they are beginners or experience

The purpose of #TheStrategyLab is that it's designed to be a trade journal for documentation purposes only so that members can have a time stamp archive of trades and market commentaries of each trading day so that they can better understand their broker statements from one trade to the next trade when they review their performance numbers on any given trading day.

Further, members are not obligated to educate nor help other members but members are encourage to ask questions about any trades or market commentaries that's posted by others because sometimes the answers contains useful trading tips.

In addition, our primary job in the free chat room is to moderate the room (keep the peace) because with so many members using different trade signal methods along with different opinions about the market...debates or arguments can easily flare up without moderating. In addition, our presence in the chat room is to ensure it's a spam free chat room during trading although these archived chat logs may contain advertisements for guest visitors.

Commonly discussed trading instruments from stocks, futures, exchange traded funds and forex currencies:

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Image ICE Emini TF Futures (formerly CME ER2)

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Image Eurex Fixed Income Derivatives (futures) BUND, BOBL and Schatz

Image Euronext Futures FTSE-100 and CAC-40

Image CME Futures EuroFX 6E and EC

Image Treasury Futures T-Notes ZT, ZN, ZF and T-Bonds ZB

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Image Exchange Traded Funds VXX, DIA, IWM, QQQ, SPY, BGU, FAS, FAZ, TNA, OIH, XLE and GLD

Image NYMEX Energy Futures Light Crude Oil CL, Brent Crude Oil BRN, e-miNY QM and Natural Gas NG

Image COMEX Metal Futures Gold GC, mini-Gold YG, Copper HG and Silver SI

Image S&P CNX NIFTY Futures

Image Hang Seng Index Futures HSI and mini-Hang Seng MHI

Also, to prevent the usual mix-up about our different chat rooms, most of our fee-base clients do not use chat rooms just like most retail traders do not use chat rooms. Yet, the few clients that do use chat rooms, our fee-base clients are discussing market analysis or price action only trade signals via concepts from our strategies in the private chat rooms called #VolatilityTradingTSL or #SwingTradingTSL and they're not allowed to do such in #TheStrategyLab.

Reminder, our Terms of Use (TOU) Policy is a must read to prevent any misunderstandings along with revealing that #TheStrategyLab is a serious professional trading chat room and we expect members to act professional. Also, these logs may have been edited (rarely) to remove any messages that a member has complained to me via private message that they consider a particular commentary to be inappropriate, offending or too far in the off topic area that's a distraction when the commentary was posted.

Note: chat logs saved (timestamp) from Québec, Canada in eastern daylight time

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