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 Post subject: January 10th Tuesday - Futures, ETFs and Forex Currencies
 Post Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:00 pm 
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Session Start: Tue Jan 10 09:19:29 2012
Session Ident: #FuturesTrades
[09:19:29] * Now talking in #FuturesTrades
[09:19:30] <@X> [NihabaAshi] chat room archives @ viewforum.php?f=20
[09:20:37] <wave1> gm all N
[09:20:38] <werner> gm all
[09:21:58] <@wrbtrader> Good morning all
[09:22:21] <relizer> ood morn sir
[09:22:54] <Tigerman> gm all
[09:28:04] <@wrbtrader> Hopefully we get some range expansion today in comparison to yesterday price action in all the key markets
[09:28:29] <drt> gm
[09:28:47] <+wave1> what is driving this mkt up? no bad news from europe?
[09:29:24] <+Trendtrader> gm all
[09:31:13] <@wrbtrader> Huge gap up on the regular session charts of Emini futures
[09:32:31] <@wrbtrader> We have several key market events between 1000am est - 1115am est
[09:38:07] <@wrbtrader> wave1...looks like it...lots of news out of Asia and Europe in the overnight but I don't see anything that was "bad".
[09:38:34] <+wave1> y europe problems have been out of news ..
[09:39:01] <@wrbtrader> same usual stuff
[09:39:11] <+wave1> used to hear everyday ...mkt headed high until first dafault occurs lol
[09:39:14] <@wrbtrader> lets see if this retraces
[09:41:30] <@wrbtrader> Gold GC futures WRB Hidden Gap @ 0852am est
[09:41:35] <+Tigerman> Shorts TF @ 760.7 «« simulator »»
[09:41:55] <+Tigerman> strong intuition
[09:42:11] <@wrbtrader> Emini TF testing a WRB Hidden GAP @ 0726am est
[09:42:27] <+Trendtrader> probably no trades for me this am, I'm having data server problems. going to restart platform.
[09:42:36] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini TF @ 760.00 -> medium size
[09:42:43] <+werner> Shorts Emini NQ @ 2372.50
[09:42:46] <@wrbtrader> 4 contracts
[09:43:36] <+Tigerman> Covered 1/2 TF Short @ 759.8 --> + 0.9 «« simulator »»
[09:43:39] <+wave1> nq strong
[09:44:50] <+Tigerman> Covered Remainder TF Short @ 760.2 --> + 0.5 «« simulator »»
[09:45:10] <+werner> Covered all Emini NQ Short @ 2371.50 --> + 1
[09:45:34] <+wave1> L 73 nq
[09:46:50] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini TF Short @ 760.30 --> - 0.3
[09:47:53] <@wrbtrader> Long Emini TF @ 760.50 -> medium size
[09:47:59] <@wrbtrader> 4 contracts
[09:48:02] <@wrbtrader> 2+2
[09:48:47] <+wave1> out -1 will re enetr
[09:48:52] <@wrbtrader> range bound since the open so far
[09:49:03] <+werner> yep
[09:50:17] <@wrbtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 760.60 --> + 0.1
[09:50:45] <@wrbtrader> volatility contracting
[09:51:11] <@wrbtrader> expanding now
[09:51:11] <+Tigerman> Long TF @ 760.8 «« simulator »»
[09:51:43] <+Trendtrader> Long Emini TF @ 761.2 «« simulator »»
[09:51:44] <@wrbtrader> Long Emini TF @ 761.40 -> medium size
[09:51:54] <@wrbtrader> 3+1
[09:52:19] <@wrbtrader> 10am est key market events around the corner
[09:52:59] <+Tigerman> Exited 1/2 TF Long @ 761.4 --> + 0.6 «« simulator »»
[09:54:06] <@wrbtrader> tightening stop loss
[09:55:05] <@wrbtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 760.50 --> - 0.9
[09:55:49] <+Tigerman> Exited Remainder TF Long @ 760.9 --> + 0.1 «« simulator »»
[09:55:57] <@wrbtrader> still range bound
[09:56:05] <@wrbtrader> nothing worth throwing some size at
[09:57:34] <+wave1> 1292.5 looks good S on es
[10:00:42] <@wrbtrader> price action nearing the top of the range
[10:01:02] <+Trendtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 762.2 --> + 1 «« simulator »»
[10:02:14] <@wrbtrader> Long Emini TF @ 762.00 -> large size
[10:02:22] <@wrbtrader> 4+2
[10:05:07] <@wrbtrader> tighten stop loss
[10:05:28] <+Tigerman> good wrbtrader
[10:05:51] <@wrbtrader> still not out of the woods
[10:06:38] <+Tigerman> yep that last spike retraced fast
[10:10:59] <@wrbtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 762.40 --> + 0.4
[10:18:25] <T4n> Long TF @ 762.8 -> large size «« simulator »»
[10:18:52] <+werner> Shorts Emini NQ @ 2376.00
[10:19:32] <+wave1> tics all +ve so far
[10:21:31] <+T4n> Exited TF Long @ 762.2 --> - 0.6 «« simulator »»
[10:22:01] <@wrbtrader> No Fly Zone in the Emini TF @ 763.40 - 761.80 (volatility contraction)
[10:23:07] <+werner> Covered all Emini NQ Short @ 2373.75 --> + 2.25
[10:23:20] <+wave1> vn w
[10:23:46] <+werner> tx
[10:28:30] <+werner> mmm mist the long here
[10:29:05] <@wrbtrader> Creeper Up Movement still intact on the "all session chart"...
[10:29:20] <@wrbtrader> Range still intact on the "regular session chart"
[10:29:42] <@wrbtrader> That's why trading is a little tough this morning so far
[10:35:35] <+werner> Long Emini NQ @ 2371.75
[10:35:45] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for traders of Emini Futures (EMD, TF, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (6E, EC), Eurex/Euronext Futures (DAX, ESTX50, FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM), Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, XLE, QQQQ, SPY) and Forex Currencies
[10:36:14] <+werner> Exited all Emini NQ Long @ 2373.50 --> + 1.75
[10:47:37] <+werner> Long Emini NQ @ 2373.50
[10:50:27] <+werner> Exited all Emini NQ Long @ 2372.50 --> - 1
[10:51:23] <+T4n> Shorts TF @ 762.3 -> large size «« simulator »»
[10:56:22] <+T4n> Covered TF Short @ 762 --> + 0.3 «« simulator »»
[11:01:25] <+werner> Shorts Emini NQ @ 2368.75
[11:05:46] <+werner> Covered all Emini NQ Short @ 2366.25 --> + 2.5
[11:05:54] <+wave1> vn w
[11:06:39] <+werner> tx
[11:07:59] <@wrbtrader> werner...Emini NQ is where the action is so far :)
[11:08:19] <+werner> lucky me :)
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[11:17:24] <+wave1> geez Tf hitting highs
[11:17:32] <+wave1> nq stuck in mud
[11:17:39] <+werner> nq at r2 here
[11:27:09] <@wrbtrader> EuroFX 6E futures WRB Hidden GAPs @ 1020am est and 1106am est
[11:30:10] <+wave1> some disconnevt bet EUr & ES now
[11:30:20] <+wave1> used to follow ES closely
[11:33:13] <+werner> Long Emini NQ @ 2370.25
[11:35:44] <+wave1> even Es is moving beter than NQ today
[11:36:30] <+werner> Exited all Emini NQ Long @ 2370.00 --> - 0.25
[11:37:28] <+werner> Shorts Emini NQ @ 2369.25
[11:38:26] <+werner> Covered all Emini NQ Short @ 2367.75 --> + 1.5
[11:49:45] <+werner> djeez
[11:55:41] <@wrbtrader> Long Emini TF @ 763.30 -> medium size
[11:55:46] <@wrbtrader> 2+2
[11:56:19] <@wrbtrader> will be a tough trade
[11:56:55] <+werner> yea market is very slow here
[11:57:06] <+wave1> k guys later back to office
[11:57:12] <+wave1> ty all
[11:57:32] <+werner> cya
[11:57:36] <@wrbtrader> I'm still in the No Fly Zone for Emini TF but Oil CL futures is now above it's own No Fly Zone...
[11:57:55] <@wrbtrader> Thus, I see some support developing via the help of other key markets
[11:58:13] <@wrbtrader> tight stop/loss
[11:59:31] <@wrbtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 762.90 --> - 0.4
[12:00:11] <@wrbtrader> Oil CL futures pulling back now
[12:04:38] <@wrbtrader> For the past few months...we've seen some decent price movements on increasing volatility during the mid-day trading session.
[12:05:46] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for traders of Emini Futures (EMD, TF, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (6E, EC), Eurex/Euronext Futures (DAX, ESTX50, FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM), Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, XLE, QQQQ, SPY) and Forex Currencies
[12:06:43] <@wrbtrader> Will be tough to repeat today considering the VIX or VXX are within their own tight trading range
[12:26:13] <@wrbtrader> big volatility spike broke below the No Fly Zone
[12:26:30] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini TF @ 759.50 -> large size
[12:26:34] <@wrbtrader> 4+2
[12:27:57] <+Tigerman> Shorts TF @ 759.8 «« simulator »»
[12:29:59] <+Tigerman> TF move higher vs others e-minis
[12:32:57] <+Tigerman> vola contracting..
[12:33:59] <@wrbtrader> agree :(
[12:38:31] <+Tigerman> hope the spike go in our direction..
[12:39:01] <+Tigerman> because now I think is going down or spike soon up..
[12:39:21] <@wrbtrader> Other key markets starting to stablizie after their own big price drop
[12:40:09] <+Tigerman> Covered all TF Short @ 760.4 --> - 0.6 «« simulator »»
[12:40:13] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini TF Short @ 760.40 --> - 0.9
[12:40:28] <+Tigerman> not able to stay more :(
[12:41:02] <@wrbtrader> It's not going to run away from that volatility spike...
[12:41:19] <@wrbtrader> Will continue watching it closely for any retracement back down
[12:41:56] <+Tigerman> yep price dancing in small unit
[12:43:52] <+Tigerman> Shorts TF @ 760.2 «« simulator »»
[12:43:58] <+Tigerman> re-entry
[12:44:10] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini TF @ 760.30 -> large size
[12:44:25] <@wrbtrader> re-entry
[12:44:50] <+Tigerman> hope now works out..
[12:45:23] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini TF Short @ 760.60 --> - 0.3
[12:46:25] <@wrbtrader> 760.60 is my limit on any shorts
[12:49:25] <+Tigerman> Covered 1/2 TF Short @ 760.2 --> 0 «« simulator »»
[12:53:20] <+Tigerman> Covered Remainder TF Short @ 760.2 --> 0 «« simulator »»
[12:53:28] <+Tigerman> :(
[12:53:46] <+Tigerman> lucky escape this can go on x long time
[12:54:36] <+Tigerman> simply have break my patience after 10 min of crap..
[12:55:38] <@wrbtrader> Got another tight trading range low volatility price action developing
[13:01:34] <@wrbtrader> It's trying hard to go back into range bound
[13:02:04] <@wrbtrader> That snap back after the spike above 760.60
[13:02:48] <+T4n> Shorts TF @ 760.8 -> medium size «« simulator »»
[13:05:41] <+T4n> Covered TF Short @ 760.7 --> + 0.1 «« simulator »»
[13:11:48] <@wrbtrader> 759.80
[13:12:05] <@wrbtrader> the low I'm watching involving the volatility contraction
[13:25:37] <@wrbtrader> This is the 3 serious No Fly Zone price action of the day
[13:26:04] <@wrbtrader> Still a range day on the regular session chart and getting worse with the volatility contraction after the spikes
[13:27:41] <+werner> back
[13:35:46] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for traders of Emini Futures (EMD, TF, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (6E, EC), Eurex/Euronext Futures (DAX, ESTX50, FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM), Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, XLE, QQQQ, SPY) and Forex Currencies
[13:36:39] <+T4n> Long TF @ 761.8 -> medium size «« simulator »»
[13:37:08] <@wrbtrader> The big WRB Hidden GAP has been completely retraced
[13:40:10] <+T4n> Exited TF Long @ 761.2 --> - 0.6 «« simulator »»
[13:48:31] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini TF @ 760.80 -> large size
[13:56:12] <@wrbtrader> It had its chance...stuck in mud
[13:59:40] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini TF Short @ 760.80 --> 0
[14:03:18] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini TF @ 760.50 -> large size
[14:03:24] <@wrbtrader> re-entry
[14:18:42] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini TF Short @ 761.30 --> - 0.8
[14:19:18] <+werner> Long Emini NQ @ 2362.25
[14:19:27] <+werner> sorry late call
[14:19:37] <@wrbtrader> won't fight the increasing volatility...chance increasing it could take off to the upside again
[14:23:12] <+werner> Exited all Emini NQ Long @ 2366.50 --> + 4.25
[14:24:24] <+werner> oops thst a +.25
[14:24:46] <+werner> thats
[14:25:04] <@wrbtrader> werner the only one making money today :)
[14:25:33] <+werner> cant hold it :)
[14:38:23] <@wrbtrader> Long Emini TF @ 762.10 -> large size
[14:38:31] <@wrbtrader> Creeper Up Movement
[14:39:30] <@wrbtrader> took a long time to develop but Emini NQ gave the hints about around 1:54pm est
[14:39:54] <+werner> indd
[14:40:01] <@wrbtrader> Its been slow ever since = Creeper Movement
[14:40:23] <@wrbtrader> Emini NQ WRB Hidden GAP @ 1332pm est
[14:41:18] <@wrbtrader> It's rare to see volatility in Emini TF look like the volatility in Emini ES :(
[14:45:39] <SFTRADER> Hello all is the room still active?
[14:46:15] <+werner> hi sftrader...yes
[14:46:17] <@wrbtrader> Hi Sftrader...how did you fix your log-in problems ?
[14:46:28] <@wrbtrader> Meant...what program you're using ?
[14:46:55] <@wrbtrader> tightening stop loss
[14:47:15] <+SFTRADER> Im still trying to figure it out,lol. No seriously I installed Trillian and followed the forum instructions and after a few failed attempts it connected
[14:47:28] <+SFTRADER> I havent used IRC in years so I was pretty rusty
[14:47:31] <@wrbtrader> Ok...thanks
[14:47:40] <@wrbtrader> WRB pt1 reached
[14:47:58] <+SFTRADER> is it okay to post trades at any time or only during certain times?
[14:48:04] <@wrbtrader> need two points to get out of today's trading hole I'm in
[14:54:37] <@wrbtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 762.30 --> + 0.2
[14:55:00] <@wrbtrader> scale out average
[14:55:23] <@wrbtrader> Creeper Up Movement still intact...just tough to stay in it
[14:56:07] <@wrbtrader> At least volatility is trying hard to increase...
[14:56:25] <@wrbtrader> Hopefully it continue after the 3pm event
[14:58:02] <@wrbtrader> Long Emini TF @ 762.60 -> medium size
[14:58:08] <@wrbtrader> 2+2
[14:58:15] <@wrbtrader> Creeper Up Movement
[15:05:47] <@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for traders of Emini Futures (EMD, TF, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (6E, EC), Eurex/Euronext Futures (DAX, ESTX50, FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM), Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, XLE, QQQQ, SPY) and Forex Currencies
[15:08:36] <@wrbtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 762.40 --> - 0.2
[15:15:32] <@wrbtrader> Long Emini TF @ 762.30 -> large size
[15:15:40] <@wrbtrader> 3+1+2
[15:17:29] <@wrbtrader> Reminder -> There will be a new password for #FuturesTrades posted at the discussion forum on Saturday Jan 14th or Sunday Jan 15th...password effective for trading session beginning Monday Jan 16th.
[15:19:33] <@wrbtrader> support break
[15:24:15] <@wrbtrader> Emini TF tried to get back into the range of the WRB Hidden GAP @ 1446pm est
[15:24:53] <mongoose> Chop..chop..the moves are so small. Reward does not justify any risk.
[15:26:15] <@wrbtrader> Emini NQ did nicely today...too bad the other didn't follow
[15:26:56] <+Tigerman> yes recently seems NQ have good move sometimes better than TF
[15:27:00] <@wrbtrader> Still a range day on the regular session chart and a Creeper Up Movement on the all session chart.
[15:27:20] <@wrbtrader> Yeah...that's been happening lately with Emini NQ.
[15:27:34] <@wrbtrader> It's volatility has been better lately in comparison to Emini TF
[15:27:37] <@wrbtrader> Not sure why
[15:28:24] <+Tigerman> maybe more trader prefer the NQ?
[15:28:29] <+Tigerman> not sure
[15:29:00] <+Tigerman> what I note is TF have many times a spread of 2 tick bid/ask
[15:29:29] <@wrbtrader> It happens every year...nothing to really spend too much time wondering about.
[15:29:59] <@wrbtrader> Emini YM, ES or NQ will have better volatility than Emini TF a few days per month.
[15:30:52] <@wrbtrader> Today is one of those days
[15:31:13] <+Tigerman> what is strange why TF (but also the others e-minis)
[15:32:12] <+Tigerman> have 15 20 contracts in bid /ask but only 1 or max 2/3 contracts trades are traded
[15:32:49] <+Tigerman> unless on TWS IB platform I cant' see all time sales but I do not think so
[15:33:09] <@wrbtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 761.40 --> - 0.9
[15:33:40] <@wrbtrader> IB doesn't show all contracts traded...
[15:33:54] <@wrbtrader> I remember conversations by IB folks at the ET forum about that.
[15:34:03] <@wrbtrader> a few years back
[15:34:23] <@wrbtrader> Recently, I remember conversations about the same issue with their charts
[15:36:49] <@wrbtrader> If you're only seeing 1 - 2 contract prints in IB...that's normal for IB :)
[15:37:23] <@wrbtrader> Shorts Emini TF @ 760.80 -> large size
[15:37:26] <@wrbtrader> especailly if their at the exact same time.
[15:38:49] <@wrbtrader> For example...in my platform I just saw a 1+1+1 print with the exact same time in one platform whereas the other showed 3 contract print for the exact same time.
[15:39:12] <+Tigerman> x example on my time sales I have only a trade of 8 contracts in last 6 minutes..
[15:39:32] <@wrbtrader> Wow...yeah...soemthing is wrong is that's all you had
[15:39:44] <@wrbtrader> I saw a 8 contract and then a 23 contract print
[15:40:17] <@wrbtrader> It's not an issue unless you're doing some sort of DOM Analysis off the prints or bid/ask info
[15:40:34] <+Tigerman> never see that on my IB :(
[15:40:51] <+Tigerman> yes not doing dom analysis for now..
[15:41:18] <@wrbtrader> Just saw a 4 and 8 contract print
[15:41:30] <@wrbtrader> 6 print
[15:41:36] <@wrbtrader> 4 print
[15:41:45] <@wrbtrader> 8 print
[15:42:00] <+Tigerman> 1 print
[15:42:01] <@wrbtrader> lots of 1 -2 contract prints
[15:42:08] <+Tigerman> 2 print
[15:42:20] <+Tigerman> many 1 print
[15:42:31] <@wrbtrader> will only mention anything above 5 contract for a single print so that you can compare to IB
[15:42:53] <@wrbtrader> Covered all Emini TF Short @ 760.80 --> 0
[15:42:56] <@wrbtrader> me
[15:43:01] <@wrbtrader> 6 print
[15:43:06] <@wrbtrader> 10 print
[15:43:19] <@wrbtrader> 10
[15:43:22] <+Tigerman> yes also I have the option to see only print more than 5 for example
[15:43:28] <@wrbtrader> 19
[15:43:30] <@wrbtrader> 8
[15:43:38] <@wrbtrader> 6
[15:43:40] <+Tigerman> 1
[15:43:48] <+Tigerman> 5
[15:43:51] <@wrbtrader> 7
[15:44:04] <@wrbtrader> 8
[15:44:13] <@wrbtrader> 5
[15:44:21] <+Tigerman> 5
[15:44:23] <@wrbtrader> 13
[15:44:56] <+SFTRADER> WRB what do you think of Volume /Market Profile
[15:45:19] <@wrbtrader> never heard of it unless its called soemthing else I've heard about
[15:45:43] <+Tigerman> wrbtrader how many contracts traded today on TF
[15:46:11] <+Tigerman> I have 90.906k
[15:46:12] <@wrbtrader> not sure...I don't have a total contract column
[15:46:51] <+Tigerman> ok but not sure if start from regular or overnight too
[15:46:53] <@wrbtrader> I will in the actual statement sent out tonight by the broker or if I log into their website to get the info
[15:47:10] <+Tigerman> I think overnight too in reported
[15:47:35] <@wrbtrader> They never correlate...
[15:47:54] <@wrbtrader> My broker info for total Emini TF contracts never correlate with each other.
[15:48:16] <@wrbtrader> Just the same, my chart vendor programs never correlate.
[15:48:32] <+Tigerman> what is strange is maybe the totat amount is ok but simply the single trades is not reported complete
[15:48:40] <@wrbtrader> I think the only site that matters is the ICE Exchange site info :)
[15:49:00] <+Tigerman> yep
[15:49:05] <@wrbtrader> 14 print
[15:49:17] <@wrbtrader> 10 print
[15:49:21] <@wrbtrader> 5
[15:49:23] <+Tigerman> for example now I have a total of 91700k contracts
[15:49:26] <@wrbtrader> 7
[15:49:27] <+werner> of what er2?
[15:49:35] <@wrbtrader> Yeah TF
[15:49:38] <+werner> k
[15:49:41] <@wrbtrader> old ER2
[15:49:41] <+werner> lets see
[15:49:51] <+Tigerman> but 20 second ago only 91600
[15:50:03] <+T4n> Shorts TF @ 760.6 -> medium size «« simulator »»
[15:50:08] <+Tigerman> so 100 contracts in 20 seconds only..
[15:50:19] <+Tigerman> now 92000
[15:50:26] <@wrbtrader> 8 print in one platform while the other showed 3+1+1++2+2 (same time)
[15:50:34] <+T4n> Covered TF Short @ 761.1 --> - 0.5 «« simulator »»
[15:51:02] <+Tigerman> miracle I got a 9 print :)
[15:51:30] <@wrbtrader> I got 4 different prints with the same time that equal a total of 9
[15:51:35] <+Tigerman> simply I assume IB not show all trades for spare on bandwith
[15:52:01] <@wrbtrader> Tigerman...you should look that up at Elitetrader.com forum...
[15:52:25] <+Tigerman> yes good idea
[15:52:40] <@wrbtrader> There was a detailed explanation about why they don't show all the prints or why they break up a 4 contract trade and only show for example 1+1+1+1 as individual prints
[15:52:52] <+Tigerman> also wanna compare with ToS platform not sure if have time sales print
[15:53:22] <@wrbtrader> 40 contract print
[15:53:34] <@wrbtrader> 35 contract print
[15:53:41] <+Tigerman> my biggest was 20
[15:53:47] <@wrbtrader> 6 print
[15:54:01] <@wrbtrader> 17 print
[15:54:25] <@wrbtrader> 6 print
[15:54:45] <+Tigerman> what about the ask /bid?
[15:54:50] <@wrbtrader> 9 print
[15:54:59] <@wrbtrader> I dont' have a ask/bid screen
[15:55:07] <+Tigerman> I have a medium of 30/40 contract x side
[15:55:41] <@wrbtrader> I could pull one up but I removed it as part of my default window many years ago
[15:55:57] <+Tigerman> ok thanks anyway
[15:56:28] <+Tigerman> just wondering how is the liquitidy of TF versus NQ
[15:56:39] <@wrbtrader> Right now we have the same 3:45pm - 4pm est price action we saw yesterday...
[15:56:47] <+Tigerman> the bad print on IB misguide me
[15:57:07] <+Tigerman> yep choppy
[15:57:22] <@wrbtrader> How does it misguide you don't do any ask/bid analysis ?
[15:57:36] <@wrbtrader> This is the first time I heard you mention you use such.
[15:58:28] <+T4n> Long TF @ 761.5 -> large size «« simulator »»
[15:58:29] <+Tigerman> oops I was misguided in liquidity of TF
[15:58:49] <@wrbtrader> Long Emini TF @ 761.60 -> large size
[15:58:59] <@wrbtrader> 3+3
[15:59:19] <+T4n> need 1 point to break even for the day
[15:59:28] <@wrbtrader> Emini TF liquidity is normal today...
[15:59:34] <@wrbtrader> Just its volatility sucks
[15:59:44] <+Tigerman> with only few big size print I believed only few contract we can trade on TF ..then have liquidity problem
[16:00:15] <@wrbtrader> My quote charts has the average size printed today @ 4.2 for Emini TF
[16:00:27] <+Tigerman> because saw 40 contracts bid/ask and only 1 contract print
[16:00:34] <+T4n> Exited TF Long @ 761.7 --> + 0.2 «« simulator »»
[16:01:06] <+Tigerman> just curious about it no have the problem to trade 40 contracts on TF :)
[16:01:59] <@wrbtrader> Well...I wouldn't push more than 10 contracts in Emini TF...maybe I'm paranoid about such.
[16:02:49] <@wrbtrader> In contrast, I can easily fell normal in trading 25 contracts in Emini ES
[16:02:50] <+Tigerman> but plan to switch again on REAL money trade and start with ETF IWM so wanna compare if is ok or better QQQ
[16:05:30] <@wrbtrader> Exited all Emini TF Long @ 761.90 --> + 0.3
[16:05:56] <+werner> gn all
[16:06:16] <@wrbtrader> That's the typical trade result on the few profitable trades today.
[16:06:36] <+T4n> depressing
[16:06:42] <@wrbtrader> I also had a similar losing trading date late in December month of trading via the same reasons.
[16:06:47] <+Tigerman> yep no easy today and past days
[16:07:01] <+Tigerman> I guess is due the econo crisis
[16:07:11] <@wrbtrader> Commonalities...
[16:07:23] <+Tigerman> simply not too much fresh money into the market
[16:07:24] <@wrbtrader> Market moves strongly up or down in the overnight trading session...
[16:07:25] <+Tigerman> or
[16:07:58] <+Tigerman> not clear situation to press found manager to entry heavy on market
[16:08:00] <@wrbtrader> Then when the normal trading session starts...it goes range bound with very few WRB Hidden GAPs or the ones are easily retraced
[16:08:04] <+Tigerman> my 2 cent opinion
[16:08:36] <@wrbtrader> Also, I saw a report on Bloomberg about a large exit of investor money in the month of December in funds
[16:09:17] <@wrbtrader> Maybe folks are more afraid to get involved in the markets lately or haven't returned
[16:09:37] <+T4n> bye all
[16:10:02] <@wrbtrader> I was talking to Baron over at ET once via email...
[16:10:24] <+Tigerman> from tomorrow wanna check more close Nifty market
[16:10:35] <@wrbtrader> He saids its NORMAL to see large registrations at discussion forums and chat rooms in December.
[16:10:38] <+Tigerman> seems more vola on emerging markets
[16:11:02] <@wrbtrader> It's a time when most "retail" traders decide to try full-time trading...
[16:11:13] <@wrbtrader> Becasue their on vacation from their regular jobs
[16:11:31] <@wrbtrader> It's also the worst time
[16:11:40] <+Tigerman> yep sure
[16:11:47] <+Tigerman> same for summer holidays
[16:12:20] <@wrbtrader> Same reason why I see an UNUSUAL number of forum registration at TheStrategyLab.com,
[16:12:23] <+Tigerman> anyway I cant understand how can plan to try full time trading of only some weeks
[16:12:31] <@wrbtrader> Most are inactive again by mid January
[16:12:55] <@wrbtrader> I usually average about 3 - 5 new registrations per month...
[16:13:09] <@wrbtrader> In December...about 25 new registrations on average every year
[16:13:14] <+Tigerman> interesting this inside view...
[16:13:55] <@wrbtrader> By mid January...only about 2 - 3 of those new registrations from December will be here
[16:14:33] <@wrbtrader> That's why I do a passord change around mid-January...to better keep track of the change.
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[16:15:57] <@wrbtrader> Reminder -> There will be a new password for #FuturesTrades posted at the discussion forum on Saturday Jan 14th or Sunday Jan 15th...password effective for trading session beginning Monday Jan 16th.

[16:17:32] <+Tigerman> ok many thanks wrbtrader and all x chat take care and see all tomorrow
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