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#FuturesTrades December 18th Monday 2006 Trade Log

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Session Start: Mon Dec 18 09:29:11 2006Session Ident: #futurestrades
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<eminitrader> morn all
<ItalianSharp> morning
<PapaJon> gm all
<Chilly> gm folks09:30
<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 800.60 -> large size 09:33

Late entry on my part :(

A WRB :(09:36

Not much room for a pt exit with my late entry.

Needs to drop further to give me some room

Covered 2/3 ER2 Short @ 799.50 --> + 1.1 09:37

Covered all ER2 Short @ 800.20 --> + 0.4 09:40
<yo> gm all09:47
<szubaark>  Shorts NQ @ 1835.50 paper 09:48
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 802.40 -> small size 09:56
Some mixed price action messages here.
Long ER2 @ 802.00 -> Add 10:00
Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 802.60 --> + 0.6
Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 802.50 --> + 0.1 10:01
   
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<les>  Long ER2 @ 802.7
<NihabaAshi> Those mix message I'm getting is preventing me from trying to look for a WRB pt level.10:02
Thus, I'm taking profits faster than I normally do.
<ItalianSharp> price action has been horrible in december thus far
<NihabaAshi> Agree.10:03
<ItalianSharp> its really tough to hold on trades

and its even harder to get in...like todays short, niha you had a late entry...but you still managed to get in...i was about to insert a short limit order when ER2 dropped by 7-8 ticks in 1 second10:04

at that point i figured its too late to get in
<szubaark> yes. Tight Ranges
looks like that was just a Run to get High Overnight Stops, now we going to get the Low Stops? :))10:06
<ItalianSharp> szu, thats a possibility. i am out of the market until we get out of fridays afternoon trading range10:08

if we get out at all
<RussellDaytrade> more giveback from that option ex and CPI workup? 790? not neccessarily all in one day, a little bigger pic10:09
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 802.10 -> small size 10:20

Exited ER2 Long @ 801.60 --> - 0.5 10:21
<Brutus>  Shorts ER2 @ 801.8 paper
<eminitrader>  Shorts ES @ 1442.50 10:22
<szubaark> this is where my original Short should have been :(
<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 801.30 -> small size 10:23
<szubaark> emini nice patience waiting for your Short setup to develop
<eminitrader> still not sure szu

2 contracts only
<Brutus>  Covered ER2 Short @ 801.1 --> + 0.7 paper 10:24
<eminitrader> right at support on nq and not much to go on ES

unless gap fill :))10:25
<NihabaAshi>  Covered ER2 Short @ 800.90 --> + 0.4
<les>  Exited ER2 Long @ 800.9 --> - 1.8

Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 800.9
<eminitrader> hope it breaks 35 on nq10:26
<les>  Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 800.4 --> + 0.5 10:27
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<szubaark> NQ still has gap10:32
<eminitrader>  Covered ES Short @ 1441.25 --> + 1.25
Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1441.25
parial fill :(10:33
partial
so does the ES10:37
<pat255> gm all...@office from now on...:(10:38
<eminitrader> remainder filled10:43
<pat255> L here emini?10:45
<eminitrader> yep10:46
<pat255> kty
<eminitrader> 41.25
<szubaark> [10:32] <eminitrader> Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1441.25
<pat255> ty emini10:47
<eminitrader> had only 2 filled initially ..now on 5
<les>  Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 800.3 --> + 0.6
<eminitrader> looks like a gap fill now10:48
<szubaark> also still a gap from Friday.. they could be aiming for that10:49
<eminitrader>  Exited all ES Long @ 1440.25 --> - 1

that was filled on the ES szu10:50

Long ES @ 1440.50 10:52
<Brutus> EMT I'm seeing Fridays close at 1438.25 ?
<eminitrader> 143810:53

i38.25 is the settlement price

last tick 38
<Brutus> So still a gap on ES, ES LOD 1439.5?10:55
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 800.20 -> small size
<eminitrader> yes foryest.. not for thrs
ok i got ya ...my bad10:56
thrs gap was filled on fri ...fridays gp still open
Exited all ES Long @ 1440 --> - 0.5 11:01
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 799.60 -> Add 11:02

Exited ER2 Long @ 798.80 --> - 1.4 11:03

Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 798.80

Went from a 2 contract Long position to a 5 contrate Short..11:04
<ItalianSharp> we are finally out of the lousy range
<pat255> biab guys ...work ty ..11:05
<NihabaAshi> If I can get my profit target for the day via this trade...I'll call it quits too.11:06
<eminitrader> niha is that baesd on $ or pionts ...if u dont mind
<NihabaAshi> Rarely the same number per day (points or WRB target info).11:07
<eminitrader> k yhx
<NihabaAshi> I usually call it a day regardless to the dollar amount if I can capture a WRB pt3 level on a minumum of 3 contracts.11:08
<eminitrader> gottya
<NihabaAshi> If I don't capture a WRB pt3...its mainly just points.
<eminitrader> rather gotcha :)

regardless of the # contrcts ?11:09
<NihabaAshi> Part of the goal is to have my last trade of the day to be profitable...even if its just 1 tick.
<eminitrader> k11:10
<NihabaAshi> # contracts doesn't have much impact on my goal because I usually stay within my average contract size range per trade.
<RussellDaytrade> think we got an target working here, up a few in 46 from lows11:12

an up target
<NihabaAshi>  Covered all ER2 Short @ 798.70 --> + 0.10 11:13
* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away
* NihabaAshi_away is now known as NihabaAshi11:25
<szubaark> geez.. its December and it feels like summer Tight,Choppy range11:27

hopefully i can get out of this Short ive held since opening and go do something else LOL11:28
<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 798.80 -> medium size 11:29
Sorry...
Incorrect...I'm Long
Long ER2 @ 798.80 -> medium size 11:30
<szubaark>  exit stop set NQ @ 1835.50 paper
<eminitrader>  Long ES @ 1440.25
<Brutus> Dax weak close11:31
<szubaark> NQ new low for Day11:37
<NihabaAshi> Price action slowly breaking down at support :(11:38
<szubaark> watching ES around 1439.25
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<RussellDaytrade> er still holding lows
so much for that11:39
<szubaark>  :)
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 798.10 --> - 0.7
Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 798.10
<szubaark> ES IS KEY here
<NihabaAshi> That's the worst of the reversal and I'm "Large size" on the Short.11:40
<szubaark> Niha u got on a WRB.. i hate those as it "can" pop against you suddenly
<NihabaAshi>  Covered 2/3 ER2 Short @ 797.30 --> + 0.8 11:41
Got my profit target for the day.
<szubaark> When i reverse on a WRB on NQ (or ES) I usually Pay the price :(
<NihabaAshi> Just need to get a few more ticks to reach my other goals.
<szubaark> watching Fridays lows, see if they bust thru

[10:07] > looks like that was just a Run to get High Overnight Stops, now we going to get the Low Stops? :))11:43

a game of Pac-Man :))
<eminitrader> lol
missed a fill @ 38.25
<NihabaAshi> Today's top was tricky to see for me...would have been a nice Short and hold.11:44

Covered ER2 Short @ 769.90 --> + 28.2 11:45

Ooops...

Covered ER2 Short @ 796.90 --> + 1.2

Holding 1 contract to see if it can reach a WRB pt3 level.

If not...I'm done for the day.11:46
<codehead> nice
<NihabaAshi> Actually, regardless to its result...I'm done for the day.

No order entry errors nor position size errors like this past Friday (horrible).
<eminitrader>  Long ES @ 1438.25 -> Add 11:47
<szubaark>  Covered all Short NQ at 1829.50 --> + 6 paper 11:48
<eminitrader> very nice trade szu :)
<codehead> nice szu
<szubaark> thanks.. it wasnt easy though
<NihabaAshi> Actually...I'm going to continue trading...need to test something new with a few 1 contract positions.

Covered ER2 Short @ 797.30 --> + 0.8 11:50

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 797.30
<codehead> nice ghost on QM 5min, see i it dips
see "if"
that QM ghost worked nicely11:58
<NihabaAshi> Looks like that missed entry at 797.10 is starting to haunt me.
* szubaark is now known as szubaark_Away11:59
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 796.10 --> - 1.2

Shorts ER2 @ 795.10 -> small size 12:00
<Brutus>  Long ER2 @ 794.3 paper 12:02
<NihabaAshi> If I can get a 793.80...that would be a WRB pt3 from the pattern signal price even though I entered Short around the WRB pt2 level.

I'll call it quits for the day since I'll have my documented WRB pt3 trade even though I missed most of the trade.12:03
<Brutus>  Exited ER2 Long @ 794.3 --> 0 12:07
<NihabaAshi>  Covered ER2 Short @ 793.70 --> + 1.4 12:08
<Brutus>  Long ER2 @ 793.2
Long ER2 @ 792.2 -> Add 12:12
<RussellDaytrade> if that low holds, up tyarget of 796 in 62 from lows12:16

even if it doesn't, high prob of at least up 1.5 - 2 from lows12:17
<Brutus>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 792.9 --> + 0.4
<RussellDaytrade> oil prices off, bonds yields down, good backdrop for some up price action now12:23
<Brutus> Lows at 12:30?12:24
<RussellDaytrade> pretty much there if thats the case, its 12.24
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<RussellDaytrade> well, didn't expect thatr 790 area to come this fast! whaddya know! now what?13:04
<eminitrader>  Exited all ES Long @ 1438.25 --> - 2 13:23
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<grenoblois>  Long ER2 @ 791,9 14:22
<RussellDaytrade> up target 795 in 36 minutes from lows
if lows taken out, targets will reset14:23
<grenoblois>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 791,2 --> + 791,2 - 791,9 14:27
<NihabaAshi> It's been a nice trend day (down)...we don't get too many trend days per month.14:43
<szubaark_Away> Longs getting squeezed today14:44
<NihabaAshi> Days like today (about 3x) per month are the days that we need to catch from start to finish to have those few big trading days per month.14:45
Although I got some nice cash today...I surely didn't exploit today's trend day :(14:46
<szubaark_Away> funny thing is I Shorted since Opening.. notice how overnight they took it up.
<NihabaAshi> That top was too tricky for me to get Short...
Spent a lot of time analyzing it and couldn't make much sense out of it.
However, hindsight is great and I easily see my mistake :)14:47
  
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<Brutus> NQ 30 point range
<szubaark_Away> No Econ reports, wonder whats "causing" this selloff
<NihabaAshi> I'm done for the day...gotta get ready for a friends birthday party.

Take care and see all tomorrow.
* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away
<szubaark_Away> bye.. have fun Niha14:48
<Brutus>  Long ER2 @ 788.9 14:51
<codehead> long ER 789.20 <paper>14:59

stop 787.7015:00
<Brutus>  Exited ER2 Long @ 789.1 --> + 0.2 15:02
Goog tanking down 3%15:03
<RussellDaytrade> the market is realy getting hit, while cnbc is still crowing about dow at new highs, gathering the last of the buyers into the tent before the roof falls in.15:05
<Brutus> Goog Shares are weak after a WSJ article suggested possible slower growth ahead for the company.
788.315:07
Long ER2 @ 788.3
<RussellDaytrade> direct inverse of those short squeeze days last week
<Brutus> Goog bouncing should pull index up
<RussellDaytrade> sold off for 4 hours so far, perhaps its time for some move in the opposite direction15:08

make that 5 hours15:10
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<Brutus>  Exited ER2 Long @ 788.5 --> + 0.2 15:13

ER lame bounce
<RussellDaytrade> all day, no lift15:14
<Brutus> Will look for a reversal after 15:3015:18
<codehead> ouch, stop hit on ER, out -1.5 <paper>
<Brutus> I feel your pain dude :)15:19

ER Hammer?
<RussellDaytrade> it certainly gettin hammered!
<codehead> ER pretty good about trending15:21

boy i knew i should short 799 this mornign, but prolly wouldn't have had the patience to hold all day
<Brutus> I have the same problem, its even dificult for me to hold runners with a BE stop15:23
Goog -4% bouncing now15:24
Nq did not make new lows15:25
ER 787.0 230 bid15:27
<RussellDaytrade> sharp lift for a buck or two?, or too much pressure/, if you're gonna buy, get it while its selling off, even if it only .10-.20 lower
<codehead> long ER 787.40 <paper>
last try
stop 786.40
<RussellDaytrade>  Long ER2 @ 787.8 paper 15:30
<codehead> exit half ER +1.0 <paper>15:48
finally
<Brutus> Just follow goog for market direction15:50
<codehead> yeah, i've noticed that in the past
<Brutus> Especially this afternoon
<codehead> exit remainder ER +0.6 <paper>15:51
have real trades to tend to on stocks
<yo> gn all
<codehead> cya
<yo> :)15:52
<grenoblois> Thank you for this premiere day and in tomorrow, good night in all15:55
<RussellDaytrade>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 788.8 --> + 1 paper 16:00
<codehead> nice16:02
<RussellDaytrade> market action makes me think more downside in store over weeks-months, makes me think even more those days past weeks were bear-market spikes16:04
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<Awash> anyone around18:55

Nikkei Market about to open18:56

hopefully tonight there won't be many data issues
<Awash>  Long mini Nikkei 225 @ 16880 paper 20:01

here is a good story on mini Nikkei 22520:07

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenew s.aspx?type=reutersEdge&storyID=2006-12- 15T121141Z_01_T8082_RTRUKOC_0_US-JAPAN-N IKKEIMINI.xml

check it out at your convenience!!

Exited all mini Nikkei 225 Long @ 16885 --> + 5 paper 20:13
<ItalianSharp> nice story awash, thanks for sharing20:42
<Awash> worth looking in to20:43

not good hours for you

great hours for me

you watching the bengals game?
<ItalianSharp> yeah20:44
<Awash> ditto

game and trading
<ItalianSharp> i got cash on the colts
<Awash> nice

colts looking nice this year
<ItalianSharp> yeah, but they've been on a slump recently...lost 2 in a row...20:45
<Awash> yep
<ItalianSharp> they'll be fine tonite...
<Awash> oh yeah

3 in a row, right
<ItalianSharp> how's trading nikkei going?
<Awash> market is tight today
<ItalianSharp> is it?
<Awash> but currently it's breaking out
<ItalianSharp> ER2 sold off today
<Awash> really

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui
<ItalianSharp> while other US indices were mixed20:46
<Awash> Nikkei at October highs and stalling
<ItalianSharp> i am gonna go watch the game now...be back around halftime20:47
<Awash> k

later, i'll be around
<ItalianSharp> fumbled recovered by indy!!!20:50
<Awash> dwight freeney is awesome
<ItalianSharp> yeah, he is...however he sucks against the run
he always goes for the sack and spins around all the time20:51
<Awash> Indy isn't known for it's defense
<ItalianSharp> in fact, indy sucks against the run
teams have been able to run inside all the time
<Awash> yep
<ItalianSharp> wow, that guy in the article made well above 60M yen
thats impressive20:52
and he's a private trader like us
<Awash> i know
<ItalianSharp> the article mentions he posts his trades on a blog...have you looked it up?
<Awash> i googled it, but found nothing

i'm going to have to spend more time on it
<ItalianSharp> if you find anything, please share...same for me20:53
<Awash> it's probably in Japanese

k
<ItalianSharp> yeah
<Awash> taking a break20:54

Nikkei market closing for lunch hour
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