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#FuturesTrades November 17th Monday 2008 Trade Log

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Session Start: Mon Nov 17 09:32:10 2008Session Ident: #FuturesTrades

* Now talking in #FuturesTrades 09:32

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<Bambam-77> b 56 1 pt stp 09:35

<LumenPharmer> gm all

<+Bambam-77> cov 1/2 58.25

b/e stp 09:36

56 for 64 is pos trgt 09:37

60 is key

<@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Some members (including me) explain basic details about their trades posted in #FuturesTrades @ http://thestrategylab.com/forum/index.ph p?board=58.0 and there's a link there to take you to #FuturesTrades archived logs if you're interested in reviewing past trades or market commentary posted in #FuturesTrades. 09:39

<bazooka85> wowowow 09:40

<+Bambam-77> b 56 09:41

55 stp

trgt of 64 again 09:42

t1 off for +3

come on 59 09:43

done

<+bazooka85> nice

<+Bambam-77> 64 for trgt or stp 56.5

flat 09:44

we in price discovery 09:45

<+bazooka85> Shorts ES @ 858.25 «« paper »»

<+Bambam-77> open range #s in 14 min

<+bazooka85> Covered all ES Short @ 855.25 --> + 3 «« paper »»

<TraderG> gm ev1

<AustinJM> Good Morning 09:46

<futurible> gm all

<Excedrin> morning

<+bazooka85> Shorts ES @ 855.00 «« paper »» 09:47

<+Bambam-77> re ss at 56

<+bazooka85> Covered all ES Short @ 857.00 --> - 2 «« paper »» 09:48

<+Bambam-77> flat at 57

64 pos trgt

looking to re enter

need to close above 60 to conf trgt 64 09:49

trgt on dec 09:53

protect longs

<+bazooka85> Shorts ES @ 862.50 «« paper »» 09:55

<+Bambam-77> pos buy at 60

lvl 09:56

<+bazooka85> putting a reverse where my stop is 09:57

Covered ES Short @ 864.50 --> - 2 «« paper »» 09:58

Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 864.50 «« paper »»

<+Bambam-77> 64 is res for now but will be supp

64 for 871

<silo> should be less choppy now 09:59

<+AustinJM> why is that? 10:00

<+bazooka85> Exited all ES Long @ 862.75 --> - 1.75 «« paper »» 10:01

going to escuela

my backup plan if my trading fails!

<+Bambam-77> 64 needs to hold for any new upside if it breaks like it did i expect rtrc to 60

<+bazooka85> gl all

nice calls bambam

<+Bambam-77> 4/8 is 59.4 10:02

pos buy here59.5 area tight stp 60 is like a pivot point 10:04

<szubaark> Shorts ES @ 860 «« paper »»

<+silo> Long YM @ 8363 10:05

out

Exited all YM Long @ 8343 --> - 20

1 only

8348 actually

-15

<+Bambam-77> b 60 10:06

<+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 864.50 «« paper »» 10:09

<+LumenPharmer> Industrial Production in 5min 10:10

<+szubaark> tightening stop 10:11

<+LumenPharmer> oops sorry

<+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 862.50 «« paper »»

<+silo> gonna go make breakfast.. be right back

<+Bambam-77> looking for range expantion to 874 or 844 area 10:12

<+LumenPharmer> 9:15 ind pro, wow just chop then 10:13

<+Bambam-77> current range is 64.25 to 54

<+szubaark> tightening stop 10:14

exit stop set ES @ 862 «« paper »»

<@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 854.25 -> medium size 10:18

4 only

<+Bambam-77> 56 for 48

52 pivot

<+szubaark> tightening stop 10:19

exit stop set ES @ 857.25 «« paper »»

<+Bambam-77> range exp in progress 10:20

<@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 848.00 --> + 6.25 10:21

<pat255> vn N ...

<T-stop> nice wk

<+szubaark> Volatility Increasing

<+Bambam-77> 8232 for bounce on indu pos

<rickf> vn 10:22

<+Bambam-77> 8242

would like to add to ss at 52 lvl 10:23

<winmax60> good morning all 10:24

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 852 --> + 8 «« paper »» 10:25

<+Bambam-77> ss 52

<tomis170> Shorts ES @ 852 «« paper »» 10:27

<+rickf> vn 10:28

<+tomis170> Covered all ES Short @ 851.25 --> + 0.75 «« paper »»

<+silo> Shorts YM @ 8267 10:29

1

Shorts YM @ 8262 -> Add 10:30

<+Bambam-77> protect ss to pos trgt 44 area 10:31

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 849.25 «« paper »»

Covered all Short ES at 853 --> - 3.75 «« paper »» 10:32

<+silo> Covered all YM Short @ 8274 --> - 19

<+Bambam-77> my thinking is i would rather take a stp than take heat and re enter at better price lvls 10:33

where we are 52 is pointing to pos trgt of 56 10:34

it was a pivotal area

<@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 854.50 -> small size

3 only 10:35

<+Bambam-77> will re try ss at 56 area

<@NihabaAshi> :( 10:36

Exited all ES Long @ 853.50 --> - 1

<+Excedrin> bought fas 32.59 10:37

<+AustinJM> Covered ym @ 8300 +32 10:38

<+Bambam-77> ss 56 10:39

<@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 853.75 -> medium size 10:40

5 only

<+Bambam-77> cov 1/2 53

stp 55 10:41

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 852.50 «« paper »»

<+silo> Shorts YM @ 8283

1 only

<+Bambam-77> watching 52 10:42

<@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 852.75 --> + 1

<+Bambam-77> if we hold look to go back up fail look for trgt 48

<+silo> Covered all YM Short @ 8296 --> - 13 10:43

<+Bambam-77> pos trgt is 58.75 and i am flat 55 10:44

<+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 856.50 «« paper »»

<+Bambam-77> b 52.5 10:46

<+Excedrin> exited fas 32.27

<+Bambam-77> 51.5 stp

<+szubaark> Contracting Volatility,expecting spike soon, hopefully to downside, Im Short 10:47

<+Bambam-77> 52 key

par at 54 10:48

stp 52

<+szubaark> tightening stop

<+Bambam-77> flat

<+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 855.75 «« paper »»

<+Bambam-77> net +1 10:49

i might be rong but a re test of open could be trgt 10:52

to close not to tag it

54 for 56

56 for open 10:53

<+szubaark> Volatility STILL contracting

* ilteris_ is now known as ozhanlion 10:57

<ozhanlion> hi all

<@NihabaAshi> Hi oz 10:58

<+ozhanlion> hey NihabaAshi, thanks for accepting me!

<+szubaark> tightening stop 10:59

exit stop set ES @ 852.75 «« paper »»

Volatility still Contracting,starting to lose intrest in this Price Action 11:00

Covered all Short ES at 852.75 --> - 0.25 «« paper »» 11:01

<+rickf> not chasing it -- chop chop chop 11:03

<+szubaark> yup

<+rickf> missed that 1010 entry short :(

<+Bambam-77> pos bull flag for trgt open

they can be real sneaky 11:04

58.75 done 11:05

8/8 is 59.5 11:06

ss 58.5

flat ss 11:10

<tomis170> Long ES @ 858 «« paper »» 11:16

<climber> Long YM @ 8333 «« paper »» 11:17

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 857 «« paper »» 11:20

<+silo> Long YM @ 8333 11:21

1

<+tomis170> Exited all ES Long @ 857 --> - 1 «« paper »»

<+silo> Exited all YM Long @ 8322 --> - 11

<+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 859 «« paper »» 11:25

exit stop set ES @ 857.50 «« paper »» 11:29

<+climber> Exited all YM Long @ 8299 --> - 34 «« paper »» 11:31

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 857.50 --> - 0.5 «« paper »» 11:32

<+Bambam-77> b 56

56 for 64 11:33

<+silo> Long YM @ 8327 11:34

2

<+szubaark> Buys ES @ 858.75 «« paper »» 11:38

<@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 859.00 -> small size 11:40

2 only

Exited all ES Long @ 857.25 --> - 1.75 11:41

<+szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 855.25 --> - 3.5 «« paper »» 11:43

Shorts ES @ 854.50 «« paper »»

<+silo> Exited all YM Long @ 8310 --> - 17

<+szubaark> hopefully makes up its mind where it wants to go 11:44

<@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Some members (including me) explain basic details about their trades posted in #FuturesTrades @ http://thestrategylab.com/forum/index.ph p?board=58.0 and there's a link there to take you to #FuturesTrades archived logs if you're interested in reviewing past trades or market commentary posted in #FuturesTrades. 11:45

<+szubaark> they just running Stops 11:47

Covered all Short ES at 859.75 --> - 5.25 «« paper »»

Buys ES @ 859.75 «« paper »» 11:48

<@NihabaAshi> Long ES @ 860.75 -> small size

3 only

Exited all ES Long @ 867.25 --> + 6.5 11:52

<+szubaark> Nice Niha.

<palmer> wha was overnight highs?

<+szubaark> 874 11:53

exit stop set ES @ 862.50 «« paper »» 11:54

Volatility Increasing

<+silo> Shorts YM @ 8444 11:56

1

Covered all YM Short @ 8455 --> - 11

Shorts YM @ 8467 11:57

1

Shorts YM @ 8465 -> Add 11:58

<+szubaark> silo,trying to pick TOP?

tightening stop 11:59

exit stop set ES @ 867.50 «« paper »»

<+Excedrin> buy faz 89.08 12:01

<+szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 867.50 --> + 7.75 «« paper »» 12:02

<+Excedrin> sell faz 89.62 12:06

<+silo> Covered all YM Short @ 8460 --> + 12 12:07

<+szubaark> Buys ES @ 872.75 «« paper »» 12:09

exit stop set ES @ 869.50 «« paper »» 12:15

<codehead> exit YM +35 <paper> (from cash close friday) 12:16

<+codehead> a bit of an inverted h&s 12:17

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<+Bambam-77> 71 for 79 pos 12:19

<+Excedrin> codehead: on which chart?

<+szubaark> tightening stop

exit stop set ES @ 870.50 «« paper »»

<+Bambam-77> 75 is our confirmation pivot to 79 12:20

<+szubaark> Price in creeper mode :(

<+Bambam-77> 8541 res trgt for indu 12:22

879 on dec

<+szubaark> exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 872.75 «« paper »» 12:24

starting to lose patience

Exited all Long ES at 873.50 --> + 0.75 «« paper »» 12:27

<+ozhanlion> short -1 /ESZ8 @875.75 LMT

* szubaark is now known as szubaark_away

<+Bambam-77> 75 hild for 79 12:29

fridays poc is 82.75 12:30

879 bingo 12:31

79 to 86 is next logical destination with pos pullback first 12:32

<+codehead> excedrin--5-15 min chart; head is a bit bat-eared on 5 min, but that gives it a bit of dbl bottom too 12:37

<+Bambam-77> 75 for 73

<+codehead> prices stalled at the objective of the h&s, then went higher, so its done anyway 12:38

<+Bambam-77> 71 is my rtrc trgt

<+ozhanlion> cover +1 /ESZ8 @873.75 LMT

<+codehead> YM 8490 was .382 retracement of the late dump from friday to today's low 12:39

<+Bambam-77> pos buy here at 71 12:40

70 stp 12:41

par at 73

<+codehead> 8473 is .500 retracement 12:42

<+Bambam-77> +2

stp now 71.5

<+codehead> 8573 is .500 retracement sorry

since it broke .382 then went higher to a # that doesn't seem to be a target, .500 hit is expected 12:43

i see a major target at 8660

<+Bambam-77> protect longs

<+codehead> 8650-8665 actually--major target, so a likely reversal area if it gets there 12:44

<+Bambam-77> lets re test hi's first

saasweet 12:48

82.75 pos from friday pos rtrc there 12:49

<+rickf> heading out for the afternoon - got some meetings and such, and besides my mind isn't 'market-focussed" today for some reason. 12:58

good trading, see you later 12:59

<+codehead> YM retraced to .500 of the strong move up, seeing if it can hold that 13:13

if not, i see a wave target 8377

8397 is .618 13:16

if we lose .500

looks like it

* szubaark_away is now known as szubaark 13:20

<@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 867.25 -> small size 13:23

3 only

Covered all ES Short @ 868.25 --> - 1 13:26

<+szubaark> Buys ES @ 869.75 «« paper »» 13:29

<pdays> Long ES @ 870.25 13:32

<+pdays> Exited all ES Long @ 870.75 --> + 0.5

<@NihabaAshi> Shorts ES @ 870.25 -> small size 13:33

3 only

:(

2nd trade error of the day 13:34

<+szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 866 --> - 3.75 «« paper »» 13:35

<+silo> :P 13:36

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 865.50 «« paper »»

<@NihabaAshi> Covered all ES Short @ 866.00 --> + 4.25

<+pat255> vn N ...worked well 13:37

<@NihabaAshi> I always have at least "one lucky" profitable trade each day :) 13:38

Be back later 13:39

* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away

<+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 865.75 «« paper »» 13:46

<@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Some members (including me) explain basic details about their trades posted in #FuturesTrades @ http://thestrategylab.com/forum/index.ph p?board=58.0 and there's a link there to take you to #FuturesTrades archived logs if you're interested in reviewing past trades or market commentary posted in #FuturesTrades. 13:48

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 865.50 --> 0 «« paper »» 13:52

Buys ES @ 866.25 «« paper »»

<+silo> Shorts YM @ 8428 13:54

1

Covered all YM Short @ 8442 --> - 14 13:57

lol 14:00

oops.. wrong window

<+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 867.75 «« paper »»

Exited all Long ES at 867.75 --> + 1.5 «« paper »» 14:01

<+ozhanlion> does anyone use TaS software platform? I just started using it papertrading futures and it gives me different quotes for different windows. wierd 14:02

is the current quote for es 863.75? 14:03

<Nesi> 866

<+ozhanlion> hmm not good. thanks

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 864 «« paper »» 14:04

<+silo> Long YM @ 8427 14:08

one

Long YM @ 8432 -> Add 14:13

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 870 --> - 6 «« paper »»

Buys ES @ 870.50 «« paper »»

some Whipsaws here

<+silo> Exited 1/2 YM Long @ 8458 --> + 26

Exited Remainder YM Long @ 8474 --> + 47 14:14

<+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 867 «« paper »» 14:15

Lots of Stop running today 14:19

<+codehead> yes, lotta chop

levels gettign tested, but not cleanly 14:20

<+szubaark> tightening stop

exit stop set ES @ 868 «« paper »»

<+codehead> still waiting for 8570-73 14:21

<+szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 868 --> - 2.5 «« paper »» 14:24

Shorts ES @ 868 «« paper »»

Volatility Increasing 14:25

exit stop set ES @ 868.25 «« paper »» 14:30

Needs to break 861 or we gonna chop to death here

exit stop set ES @ 866 «« paper »» 14:35

Covered all Short ES at 866 --> + 2 «« paper »» 14:37

<MK> Long ES @ 866.75 -> Add «« paper »»

<+szubaark> Buys ES @ 870 «« paper »» 14:38

tightening stop 14:43

exit stop set ES @ 867.75 «« paper »» 14:44

hopefully i can catch a runner here and call it a day

<+silo> Shorts YM @ 8455 14:46

1

<+szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 867.75 --> - 2.25 «« paper »»

<+codehead> 8450 has been the central point on YM for past 3 hours, biggest volume bar of the day now

on histo 14:47

<+silo> Shorts YM @ 8427 -> Add 14:49

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 867.50 «« paper »»

<+silo> Covered 1/2 YM Short @ 8419 --> + 8 14:50

wtf?

<+szubaark> ?

<+silo> Covered Remainder YM Short @ 8395 --> + 60 14:51

hwo did i only make +8 for the first half

hehe

ah i see

it covered the added one first

nevermind

<+szubaark> u all out? 14:52

<+silo> yeah 14:53

covered remaining at 8395 +60

<+szubaark> yea im falling asleep watching this

exit stop set ES @ 867.75 «« paper »» 14:55

Covered all Short ES at 867.75 --> - 0.25 «« paper »» 14:56

Shorts ES @ 863.25 «« paper »» 15:00

needs to break here

<+MK> Long ES @ 861.75 -> Add «« paper »» 15:01

<+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 869.75 «« paper »» 15:05

Pinball type price action 15:06

<+silo> Shorts YM @ 8412 15:08

2

that was fast 15:09

Covered all YM Short @ 8425 --> - 13 15:10

violent shakeout :(

oh well

<+szubaark> tightening stop 15:12

exit stop set ES @ 867.75 «« paper »»

trailing stop error 15:13

exit stop set ES @ 870 «« paper »»

Covered all Short ES at 869.75 --> - 6.5 «« paper »» 15:15

Buys ES @ 870.50 «« paper »»

exit stop set ES @ 867.25 «« paper »» 15:20

Exited all Long ES at 867.25 --> - 3.25 «« paper »» 15:23

Nasty Chop

<+MK> Long ES @ 864.75 -> Add «« paper »» 15:26

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 860.75 «« paper »» 15:36

<+MK> Long ES @ 859.5 -> Add «« paper »» 15:37

Long ES @ 857 -> Add «« paper »» 15:38

* Kalle is now known as Kalle_away 15:40

<+silo> Shorts YM @ 8382 15:46

2

Covered 1/2 YM Short @ 8352 --> + 30 15:49

Covered Remainder YM Short @ 8352 --> + 30 15:52

<@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Some members (including me) explain basic details about their trades posted in #FuturesTrades @ http://thestrategylab.com/forum/index.ph p?board=58.0 and there's a link there to take you to #FuturesTrades archived logs if you're interested in reviewing past trades or market commentary posted in #FuturesTrades. 15:54

<+szubaark> tightening stop 15:55

exit stop set ES @ 861 «« paper »»

exit stop set ES @ 854 «« paper »» 15:59

<+MK> Long ES @ 850.25 -> Add «« paper »» 16:00

<+szubaark> exit stop set ES @ 852.75 «« paper »» 16:05

Covered all Short ES at 850.75 --> + 10 «« paper »» 16:08

<werner> gn all 16:10

<+climber> gn all

<@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Some members (including me) explain basic details about their trades posted in #FuturesTrades @ http://thestrategylab.com/forum/index.ph p?board=58.0 and there's a link there to take you to #FuturesTrades archived logs if you're interested in reviewing past trades or market commentary posted in #FuturesTrades.
Session Close: Tue Nov 18 00:00:00 2008
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