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| Session Start: Thu Nov 08 09:52:27 2007Session Ident: #FuturesTrades |
* Now | talking in #FuturesTrades | 09:52 |
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<ItalianSharp> | wow, EURUSD spiked up bit time after bernankes statement | 10:02 |
<Brutus> | 11/08/2007 10:00 *DJ Fed Bernanke:Econ To Slow Noticeably In 4Q, Sluggish Into 08 |
<szubaark> | Shorts ES @ 1473.50 «« paper »» | 10:05 |
| uh hoh... | 10:09 |
<Nesi> | what a move | 10:21 |
<ItalianSharp> | yep, bernanke just said high likelyhood of other rate cuts |
<wizardofrijnsaterwou> | 86,75 |
<ItalianSharp> | he's got some room all the way down to 0% | 10:22 |
| then GAME OVER |
* cmr | Short YM 13310 | 10:28 |
<Nesi> | nice one cmr | 10:31 |
<ItalianSharp> | European mkts havent made new lows yet and seem to have found temporary support | 10:36 |
| i am going to be bullish until they break down |
<szubaark> | NQ breaking down again | 10:39 |
| that quick, sudden Volatility Burst to the upside caught me off guard LOL |
<Brutus> | u been rubbin that rabbits foot Szu | 10:41 |
<szubaark> | overall trend helped me with that one, but Ill review today's chart to make sure i avoid this type of crap again | 10:42 |
<Tim_a> | markets are very jittery today, it's a time to mind disaster stops | 10:43 |
<pat255> | y ... | 10:44 |
<Tim_a> | both long and short |
<pat255> | y one way to play.. | 10:45 |
* cmr | Exit YM long 260 +50 |
<pat255> | vn ..cmr |
<cmr> | Feel today maybe similar as yesterday. Very choppy, but long trend down ...? | 10:46 |
<ItalianSharp> | huge stops are always disastrous, regardless of market conditions | 10:47 |
<Brutus> | goog broke 700 NQ lod |
<ItalianSharp> | it just makes no sense, yet it's an easy trap traders can fall into |
| i believe one of the main causes of big stops is that sometimes it's hard to accept being wrong |
| we fall in love with our trade and stick with it thruout | 10:48 |
| one of the main skills for successful trading is to never fall in love with anything and be quick in changing our minds |
| very tough to do |
<Tim_a> | i'm just saying something outside of a 'ping and reverse' range, but dsomething to keep from being destroyed by a giant spike out of nowhere | 10:49 |
<cmr> | Your stomach hurts when it happens ... |
<ItalianSharp> | whenever i take a big hit letting a loser become a big loser, i feel STUPID and i am very ashamed of myself | 10:55 |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1483 --> - 9.5 «« paper »» |
| Buys ES @ 1483 «« paper »» |
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<szubaark> | Stupid frikin trade |
<ItalianSharp> | yep szu...you had many clues and opportunities to limit that loss | 10:56 |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away | 11:01 |
<szubaark> | exit stop set ES @ 1480 «« paper »» | 11:04 |
| Exited all Long ES at 1480 --> - 3 «« paper »» | 11:06 |
| :( |
| tough price action again today | 11:07 |
| Shorts ES @ 1481.50 «« paper »» | 11:10 |
| exit stop set ES @ 1484.50 «« paper »» |
| Covered all Short ES at 1484.50 --> - 3 «« paper »» | 11:15 |
| Buys ES @ 1484.50 «« paper »» |
<pdays> | Shorts ES @ 1484.5 «« paper »» | 11:19 |
<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1482 --> - 2.5 «« paper »» |
| Shorts ES @ 1482 «« paper »» |
<pdays> | Covered all ES Short @ 1481.5 --> + 3 «« paper »» |
<szubaark> | last trade, this is too frikin choppy | 11:20 |
<Brutus> | Long ES @ 1478 «« paper »» | 11:23 |
| Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1479 --> + 1 «« paper »» | 11:24 |
| Exited 1/4 ES Long @ 1479.5 --> + 1.5 «« paper »» | 11:25 |
| Exited all ES Long @ 1478.5 --> + 0.5 «« paper »» | 11:26 |
<szubaark> | Covered 1/2 Short ES at 1479.50 --> + 2.5 «« paper »» | 11:29 |
<Brutus> | dax c36se +21 | 11:34 |
<szubaark> | Lets see if we get new lows | 11:43 |
<cmr> | Brutus, I can't decifer c36se ? | 11:52 |
<Brutus> | num lock was on, replace numbers for letters | 11:53 |
| :) |
<cmr> | close, I believe ... |
<Brutus> | yep dax having a +ve close today | 11:54 |
| strange after not going down in that much yesterday | 11:55 |
<cmr> | Today was the speek of EC Bank president Triche ... maybe good news there? | 11:56 |
<Brutus> | maybe, but dax did not respond to much then | 11:59 |
<cmr> | Double bottoms here on YM,NQ,ER - SP a litle bit less... Short recovery? | 12:02 |
<Brutus> | yep let the big boys go to lunch | 12:04 |
* Stowe | long ym 13250 | 12:05 |
| adds to long ym 13256 |
| adds to long ym 13258 | 12:06 |
| adds to long ym 13252 | 12:07 |
| adds to long ym 13246 | 12:08 |
| adds to long ym 13240 |
| adds to long ym 13230 |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1472 --> + 10 «« paper »» | 12:09 |
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* Stowe | adds to long ym 13224 |
<Brutus> | n1 szu | 12:11 |
* cmr | Long YM 13235 target +30 stop -50 |
<Stowe> | ym 13316 seems to be a reasonable target | 12:12 |
<cmr> | still think today would be kind a replica from yesterday on the close ... |
* Stowe | adds to long ym 13216 | 12:17 |
| adds to long ym 13219 |
| adds to long ym 13205 | 12:18 |
| adds to long ym 13209 | 12:19 |
<cmr> | Distraction here ... YM almost touch 61 ... would have exit 5pts bellow target |
<Stowe> | quit distracting yourself | 12:20 |
<cmr> | In my country there is a saying: "distraction is the artist killing" |
* Stowe | adds to long ym 13199 |
<Brutus> | ES bounce near pre market low | 12:22 |
* codehead_afk | is now known as codehead | 12:32 |
* cmr | Exit long YM 13185 -50 (stopped) | 12:38 |
<Trader22> | now that 13,350 dow cash and SPX 1490 I'm having hard time seeing next lower support. any opinions? | 12:39 |
* cmr | Short YM 13170 |
* Stowe | adds to long ym 13183 | 12:40 |
| adds to long ym 13153 | 12:41 |
<Brutus> | 1562.25 | 12:42 |
| Long ES @ 1562.25 «« paper »» |
| thats rea3 |
* Stowe | adds to long ym 13155 |
<Brutus> | Exited ES Long @ 1562.75 --> + 0.5 «« paper »» | 12:44 |
<codehead> | i've wanted to try trading that way for a long time |
| oops, wrong window sorry guys |
<szubaark> | code, you see all those failed Ghosts today LOL | 12:45 |
<Brutus> | :( |
* cmr | Cover YM short 13150 +30 |
<cmr> | oops +20 |
<Brutus> | Long ES @ 1562.25 «« paper »» |
| Exited ES Long @ 1563.75 --> + 1.5 «« paper »» | 12:48 |
* Stowe | adds to long ym 13148 | 12:49 |
<Brutus> | Long ES @ 1458.25 «« paper »» | 12:50 |
* Stowe | adds to long ym 13132 | 12:51 |
<szubaark> | Buys ES @ 1460.25 «« paper »» |
| Brutus u got a nice fill on that Long | 12:54 |
| right at the frikin low |
<Brutus> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1461.25 --> + 3 «« paper »» | 12:55 |
| no buy volume |
| hands are f$kn shaking | 12:56 |
<szubaark> | Exited 1/2 Long ES at 1462.25 --> + 2 «« paper »» |
| exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1460.25 «« paper »» |
| real jumpy prices, easy to get shaken out | 12:57 |
<Brutus> | everyone was waiting for the 5min reversal bar | 12:59 |
<Stowe> | i love those | 13:00 |
| they sometimes serve drinks for a buck at 4pm |
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<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1460.25 --> 0 «« paper »» | 13:02 |
<cmr> | I had 13160 short in my gun, missed the trigger ... (lol) |
<szubaark> | Buys ES @ 1461.50 «« paper »» | 13:05 |
<Brutus> | Exited all ES Long @ 1460.25 --> + 2 «« paper »» |
<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1459.25 --> - 2.25 «« paper »» | 13:06 |
| Shorts ES @ 1458.50 «« paper »» |
* Stowe | adds to long ym 13117 | 13:07 |
<Brutus> | Long ES @ 1455 «« paper »» | 13:09 |
| Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1456.5 --> + 1.5 «« paper »» |
* Stowe | adds to long ym 13105 | 13:10 |
<cmr> | Stowe, you got "steel nerves" (don't know expression in English) | 13:11 |
<codehead> | ghost potential szu |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1458.50 --> 0 «« paper »» | 13:12 |
| Buys ES @ 1458.50 «« paper »» |
<Brutus> | Exited 1/4 ES Long @ 1459 --> + 4 «« paper »» | 13:13 |
| v6340e 3662s g66d |
| volume looks good |
<Stowe> | ym 13286 seems like reasonable target |
<cmr> | that means "great capacity to face adversities" |
<Stowe> | volume is ok? | 13:14 |
| how bout the tone?.... |
<cmr> | I'm still a believer on a close at the lows...missed my entry @160 | 13:15 |
<Brutus> | the tickers clacking |
<Stowe> | contrast is too sharp |
<cmr> | But also think on a 50 pts recovery before that, after 2pm | 13:16 |
<Brutus> | Exited all ES Long @ 1456 --> + 1 «« paper »» |
* Stowe | adds to long ym 13100 | 13:17 |
<cmr> | On 10min we have a straigh line all day long, Stowe ... We can't notice very nice signals of retracement so far ... until this last bar maybe | 13:18 |
<codehead> | the inverted ghost trying now |
| didn't quite trigger last bar | 13:19 |
<Brutus> | bastids NQ goes dead on that low on esignal |
<szubaark> | code but fill would be shitty on it |
| code u getting a fill here around 1461 :( and low u got 1464 | 13:20 |
<Stowe> | OJ Simpson Trial just started | 13:21 |
* cmr | Short YM 13155 |
<Fleneer> | getting a bit whippy here. perhaps the bottom is in for the day. LOD 1454.00 | 13:22 |
<Brutus> | Long ES @ 1459.5 «« paper »» |
| Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1561.5 --> + 102 «« paper »» | 13:23 |
| Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1461.5 --> + 2 «« paper »» |
| Exited all ES Long @ 1459.25 --> - 0.25 «« paper »» | 13:25 |
<werner> | hi all | 13:32 |
<Stowe> | is all here? | 13:33 |
<werner> | :) |
* Stowe | is now known as all | 13:34 |
<all> | hi |
<werner> | lol |
<Brutus> | watching OJ |
<szubaark> | Go Stowe! |
* all | is now known as Stowe |
<Stowe> | oh he was here |
<Brutus> | OJ futures You? |
<Stowe> | lol |
| Bomb Threat at Laguardia | 13:36 |
<Guest35179> | Shorts ER2 @ 771.9 | 13:44 |
| Covered all ER2 Short @ 770.2 --> + 1.7 | 13:45 |
<szubaark> | Exited 1/2 Long ES at 1464.25 --> + 5.75 «« paper »» |
| exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1458.50 «« paper »» | 13:46 |
<Guest35179> | market trying to stage a comeback but selling pressure still strong-we'll see who wins, bulls or bears | 13:47 |
<Fleneer> | ES market struggling at the .382 Fib retrace 1467 on the down move 1488 to 1454 | 13:53 |
| anyone for a retest of the LOD? |
<Nesi> | me |
<Fleneer> | hehe flip your favorite trading coin oir beak out the Ouige' board. | 13:54 |
<Nesi> | :) |
<Fleneer> | Place your bets folks. shooter coming out. |
| downtrendline off yesterday high is up around 1476 | 13:57 |
<szubaark> | fleener good stuff |
<Fleneer> | oversold, 2 hours left in the day, trendline overhead. My bet is this Fib fails and we see 1470.00 | 13:58 |
<Brutus> | Shorts ES @ 1468 «« paper »» | 13:59 |
<szubaark> | it aint gonna be easy, make it HARD Boys. |
<Brutus> | 2 tick stop |
<Fleneer> | scalp Brutus? |
<Brutus> | Covered ES Short @ 1468.5 --> - 0.5 «« paper »» |
<Fleneer> | 2 tics? or 2 points? | 14:00 |
<szubaark> | 1471 .50% Fib then i got the magical .61% 1475 |
<Fleneer> | k. I C now |
<szubaark> | exit stop raised ES @ 1460 «« paper »» | 14:01 |
<Brutus> | new lows ? | 14:03 |
| no I have no opinion | 14:04 |
<cmr> | Market Events | 14:06 |
| 14:00 ET Dow -130.02 at 13160.77, Nasdaq -72.80 at 2675.58, S&P -13.37 at 1461.16: |
| [BRIEFING.COM] The major indices are off their lows, but continue to post substantial losses. The S&P 500 Retailing Index (-2.2%) is a laggard following unimpressive October retailing same-store sales. |
| The October increase was the slowest rate of increase in twelve years and followed a 1.7% gain in September that was less than half the gain registered in September 2006. The factors behind the sluggish results weren't surprising, as many retailers blamed the warm October temperatures and a moderation in consumer spending that stemmed from the housing market downturn, higher energy costs, and the mortgage market mess that contributed to declining leve |
| Sorry, didn't imagine was so long the text ... |
<Fleneer> | smaller than the flood trigger on the channel so...... | 14:09 |
<cmr> | Market Events | 14:15 |
| 14:00 ET Dow -130.02 at 13160.77, Nasdaq -72.80 at 2675.58, S&P -13.37 at 1461.16: |
| [BRIEFING.COM] The major indices are off their lows, but continue to post substantial losses. The S&P 500 Retailing Index (-2.2%) is a laggard following unimpressive October retailing same-store sales. |
| The October increase was the slowest rate of increase in twelve years and followed a 1.7% gain in September that was less than half the gain registered in September 2006. The factors behind the sluggish results weren't surprising, as many retailers blamed the warm October temperatures and a moderation in consumer spending that stemmed from the housing market downturn, higher energy costs, and the mortgage market mess that contributed to declining leve |
* cmr | Cover short YM 13135 +20 |
<cmr> | save my skin ... |
<Brutus> | naz d6wn 3% | 14:33 |
| not joining the pop |
| 11/08/2007 14:32 *DJ OIL FUTURES: Nymex Crude Closes At $95.43, Down 94c |
* cmr | Short YM 13170 | 14:34 |
| Cover YM 13145 +25 | 14:37 |
<Brutus> | good one CMR | 14:38 |
<Fleneer> | On a wider note... check the 6 month ES chart. August low to October high then the mid 1460s here is a .618 retrace of the move. |
<cmr> | Thk B. Just following my impressions for today (closing near lows like yesterday) | 14:39 |
<Brutus> | you should have held if for a home run :) | 14:40 |
| it |
<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1458.50 --> 0 «« paper »» | 14:41 |
<cmr> | Yes, but there it cames another tought: don't push luck too much ... I've got 1 stop + 3w - so, don't push too much |
<Brutus> | yes same here | 14:42 |
<cmr> | Besides, I would like now that it will jump high high high. I would like Stowe to have a good fill :) | 14:43 |
<Brutus> | Lets all have a chat room prayer for Stowe | 14:44 |
| Loooong hummmm |
<Tim_a> | 12:05 -12:20 ES (central time) had a formation that usually marks st bottom, but it's really sluggish off of it |
<Stowe> | did i die? |
<Brutus> | :)) | 14:45 |
<cmr> | No, we have 2 strong days down, tomorrow must go up. |
<Stowe> | did i leave anything to any loved ones? |
<cmr> | What is your avg Stowe (if I can ask)? | 14:46 |
<Stowe> | i was going to leave it all to the butler, but i think he did it |
| ba da boom |
<Brutus> | Dax and ER holding so I'm look for a ES spring of the lows |
<codehead> | nice bar | 14:59 |
<cmr> | My whish coming true ... for Stowe :) | 15:00 |
<Brutus> | the power of group prayer |
<ItalianSharp> | lol |
<cmr> | Y |
| Anyway, I'm not sure if quite wright, but in a daily basis, DOW has a formation of AB=CD like a down Zed. It means (if theory correct) we will have a good retracement, if not tomorrow, next few days ... | 15:02 |
<Fleneer> | they really jerkin us around today..... | 15:04 |
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<Fleneer> | cmr.. you talking price time target? |
<cmr> | jerkin in good english would be? (Sorry I'm Portuguese - can't understand some idiomatic expressions) | 15:05 |
| Some patterns shown for instance on Larry Pesavento books. | 15:06 |
| Let me see if I can find a link ... |
<Fleneer> | sorry. jerkin slang for jerking. jerking = being abruptly moved around. | 15:07 |
<cmr> | Ok, F | 15:10 |
| Now, there is this link: http://www.tradingtutor.com/ |
| And I got a 4 pages .pdf, explaining that Pattern. Very simple, yet powerfull. |
<Guest35179> | Shorts ER2 @ 773 | 15:11 |
| Covered all ER2 Short @ 773.8 --> - 0.8 | 15:12 |
<cmr> | Flenner, please check your private window | 15:13 |
<Tim_a> | may i take a look at the pdf, cmr? | 15:21 |
<Stowe> | [09:12] <+Stowe> ym 13316 seems to be a reasonable target |
<cmr> | Of course. I'm going to publish it on a website and then publish here the link. Let me work on that... | 15:22 |
| It's good news for Stowe. According to theory, we would have been buying now. |
<Tim_a> | thx | 15:23 |
<Guest35179> | Shorts ER2 @ 781.8 | 15:25 |
<Fleneer> | wow. was aafk. busted through the downtrend line at 1472 | 15:27 |
<mhk> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 780.9 --> + 0.9 |
<cmr> | Ok. Here we have: the .pdf link: http://cmrodrig.com.sapo.pt/charts/AB=CD _Pattern.pdf | 15:28 |
| And my interpretation chart: http://cmrodrig.com.sapo.pt/charts/2007- 11-08_INDU.gif |
| Tim, tell me if you can get it |
* sep34 | is now known as sep34_away | 15:29 |
<Tim_a> | cmr, i received the link, will look at it after close, thanks | 15:30 |
<mhk> | Shorts ER2 @ 779.9 |
<cmr> | K |
<mhk> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 778.6 --> + 1.3 | 15:33 |
* Stowe | sells some ym 13290 +40,+34,+32,+38,+44,+50 from 13258 to 13240 longs | 15:37 |
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<Trader22> | stowe hours ago when you said ym to 13280s : congrats | 15:38 |
* Stowe | sells more ym 13280 to 13270 +50,+56,+64,+61,+65,+61 from 13230 to 13205 longs | 15:40 |
<Stowe> | ty 22 |
* Stowe | sells more ym 13316 +117,+133,+163 from 13199 to 13153 longs | 15:43 |
<Brutus> | WTG stowe, very nice |
<werner> | wow indd | 15:44 |
<codehead> | awesome | 15:45 |
* Stowe | sells more ym 13332 +177,+170,+200,+215,+228,+233 from 13155 to 13100 longs | 15:46 |
| CORRECTION sells REMAINING ym 13332 +177,+170,+200,+215,+228,+233 from 13155 to 13100 longs |
<Stowe> | tanks brut |
| glad i didn't need a eulogy | 15:47 |
<Brutus> | Drinks on you at the reversal bar? |
<Stowe> | yeah...$1 beers for everyone |
<codehead> | vodya here? | 15:48 |
| (ka) |
| lol |
<Stowe> | i think they took down all the oj sports memorabilia off the walls of that reversal bar | 15:50 |
| oj needed his "stuff" back |
<Brutus> | how long have you been trading stowe FT? | 15:53 |
<werner> | gn all | 15:54 |
* Stowe | is now known as all |
<all> | gn |
<werner> | hihi |
<all> | hi |
| i'm only in here when people say gn to me | 15:55 |
* all | is now known as Stowe |
<Brutus> | startrader r u missing the action? | 15:56 |
<cmr> | Strange ting here. I left pc one hour ago, convinced market closed...was 1h ahead in time (1st time happen to me) (?) | 15:59 |
| --where are the Drinks? | 16:00 |
<Brutus> | ============ U.S. MARKETS ACTION =========== | 16:01 |
| DJIA up 4.23 points to 13304.25 |
| NASDAQ down 39.89 points to 2708.87 |
| S&P 500 up 3.83 points to 1479.45 |
| 10-year T-note down 2/32 at 99 17/32 yield 4.306 |
| NYMEX Spot Crude down $0.91 at $95.46/bbl at close |
| Dollar/Euro up 0.0093 at 2.1106 |
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http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/tda meritrade-com/html-story.asp?guid={c6712 1a6-9687-4c32-b798-acd815fd03fa} |
<Tim_a> | cmr - article looks interesting, but too long a term for me, i tend to go more for interday trends | 16:02 |
<Stowe> | dow is -34 |
| let's see if this works: | 16:03 |
| S&P |
| 1,474.65 |
| -0.97 ( -0.07% ) Dow Jones |
| 13,265.47 |
| -34.55 ( -0.26% ) NASDAQ |
| 2,696.00 |
| -52.76 ( -1.92% ) Nikkei |
| 15,771.57 |
| -325.11 ( -2.02% ) Hang Seng |
| 28,760.22 |
| -948.71 ( -3.19% ) FTSE 100 |
| 6,381.90 |
| -3.20 ( -0.05% ) 10 Yr Note |
| 4.273 | 16:04 |
| -0.061 ( -1.41% ) Crude Oil |
| 95.92 |
| -0.45 ( -0.47% ) |
| seems like a more updated site brut |
| http://new.quote.com/ |
| dollar not given tho |
<Brutus> | k just to archive the numbers | 16:05 |
<Stowe> | gn all | 16:08 |
* Stowe | is now known as all |
<all> | gn |
<startrader> | Yeah Brutus, had the sim on between other projects. | 16:10 |
<Brutus> | OK good to here, gn going to bed | 16:11 |
* DisconnectedSession | Close: Thu Nov 08 16:40:03 2007 | 16:40 |
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it including the quotation marks) and you will find everything associated
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