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#FuturesTrades November 8th Friday 2006 Trade Log

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DSL versus Cable

Profit/Loss Blotter

With market seasonal tendency information from the elections and the price action until mid-November...

Today's gap down at the open gave an excellent opportunity for Long positions and I was able to exploit such until the afternoon trading session when I begin having data problems again.

Over the next few weeks I'm going to be doing a lot of ping monitoring between Cable and DSL to do a comparison to see if there's less latency problems via DSL in comparison to Cable.

I discussed below two particular times of today's market that I missed pattern signals and those signals are explained in detailed in the Swing Trading Report (STR).

If you are a user of the STR...please email me and I'll send you the charts with annotations to show you the pattern with additional trading tips that's currently not in the STR.

However, these charts will be posted eventually in the new member area of the website that you already have access to.

Further, I'm nearing my profit goal for the month of November (5k) and its a much lower goal in comparison to October trading due to the low volatility trading conditions.

This is just one example why we need to be realistic with our trading goals because not every trading day is the same, not every trading week is the same, not every trading month is the same nor every trading year the same.

Too many traders keep the same risk:reward ratios, goals et cetera for each trading day as if every trading day is the same. Such is counter-productive and can easily put you into the wrong psychological mind set...resulting in an increased chance for loss.

Today's results (real money and simulator trading) shown above are that of NihabaAshi only. To see his total accumulated points for the month of November...click here. To see results for the months of 2006 and prior years...click here.

Commentary by M.A. Perry (a.k.a. NihabaAshi)  

Note: Each month there are a few trading days that we consider to involve interconnecting key price action of different markets and such is represented by a particular type of price action from one of the key markets. You can view the charts and their clues that's associated with the key price action at our key market archives.


Session Start: Wed Nov 08 09:29:13 2006Session Ident: #futurestrades
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<jperl> looks like the open will be just above the weekly value

but below the monthly value
<RussellDaytrade> don't know about the yearly, but that monthly may come into play09:30
<ItalianSharp> niha, any bias today? no news apart from oil report...maybe a dull trading day?09:31
<PapaJon> gm all
<NihabaAshi> I have a neutral bias right now.09:33
<jperl> ER2 touching weekly VWAP 761.1109:36
<Brutus>  Long ER2 @ 761.20

Should be 761.609:37
<pat255> gm all
<Brutus>  Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 763.5 --> + 2.3 09:38
<szubaark> nice brutus
<Brutus>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 763.8 --> + 2.6 09:39
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<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 764.40 -> small size 09:42
<szubaark>  Buys NQ @ 1741.50 paper
<jperl> ER2 touching monthly VWAP 765.55
<NihabaAshi> My bias has changed from neutral to bullish.09:43
Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 766.00 --> + 1.6 09:44
<szubaark>  Exited all Long NQ at 1743.75 --> + 2.25 paper
<NihabaAshi>  Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 767.00 --> + 2.6 09:45
<szubaark> Niha u got a nice entry@764.40.. must have been on the 2min?09:46
<NihabaAshi> 5min chart.09:47
I was a little late on the trade...lost a lot of wiggle room because I should have been Long around 763.30 - 763.5009:49
<jperl> ER2 pausing at monthly VWAP 765.5609:50
* codehead_afk is now known as codehead09:51
<NihabaAshi>  Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 764.70 --> + 0.3 09:53
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<szubaark>  Buys NQ @ 1745.50 paper
<NihabaAshi> I thought for sure it would hold and keep me on it for a possible GAP fill.09:54
<pat255> it i syo yo ...
<szubaark>  exit stop set NQ @ 1745.50 paper 09:56

Exited all Long NQ at 1745.50 --> 0 paper 09:57
<RussellDaytrade> 770 or so morning high? if clears 767 with gusto?
<jperl> ER2 oscillating about monthly VWAP 765.5609:59
<szubaark>  Buys NQ @ 1746.50 paper 10:00
setting up for valatility spike.. hopefully to upside, im Long :)10:01
exit stop set NQ @ 1746.50 paper 10:02
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 767.50 -> small size

2 contracts only
<RussellDaytrade> if clears 770, may carry another buck or so on stop running
<szubaark>  Exited all Long NQ at 1749.25 --> + 2.75 paper
<NihabaAshi>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 768.20 --> + 0.7 10:03
Couldn't resist the sudden show up of volatility after it had been declining for a few intervals.
I'm 1 contract only today on Shorts.10:04
<Brutus> I was long waiting for that 6k Es offer to be taken but ER did not budge10:06
<jperl> mixed markets today...so play it close to the chest...10:07
http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-11-08/JP ERL_019.png
take small profits10:08
watching ER2 you can see how it is struggling to close the gap10:09
<szubaark> Today, NQ is the Long winner so far10:10
<jperl> YM at VWAP 1215510:14
<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 767.10 -> small size 10:15

1 contract and a bad fill.
<jperl> ER2 VWAP 765.3410:16
<NihabaAshi>  Covered ER2 Short @ 766.40 --> + 0.7

I tried to catch 767.40 for a short.

Used a market order on an uptick when it was at 767.4010:17
<RussellDaytrade> jp, my sense reagrding the monthly er vwap, is that the longer it builds/stacks above the price, that it'll become a weight on the market, that may create a longer term effect down, in order to 'balance out'...
<NihabaAshi> Got filled at 767.10
<RussellDaytrade> weekly, same thing, to a smaller degree, and daily same to a smaller degree/timeframe yet10:18
<NihabaAshi> That's a 3 tick slippage and I'm not sure if it was a computer problme on my side, broker problem or internet connection problem.

If it happens again...I'm done trading for the day.
<RussellDaytrade> good to keep an eye on them, for big picture backdrop/clues, etc
<ItalianSharp> did you enter at market niha?=
<NihabaAshi> Most of the time I do and that was a market order on upticks.10:19
<jperl> YM pausing at VWAP 12155
<ItalianSharp> wow....getting a bad fill on upticks makes me wonder...
* jperl doesn't trade at VWAP
<jperl> my reminder
<NihabaAshi> Bad fill on a Short position on upticks or bad fill on a Long position on down ticks...10:20

Always makes me nervous that something is wrong.

In the past, I would just keep trading as normal and often suffer big time.10:21

Recently, I've learned to scale down my size and monitor my trades more closely when I see that happen the first time.
 -> [NihabaAshi] PING10:22
-> [X] PING10:23
-> [ItalianSharp] PING
<yvberj> G. M. everyone. Got a late start this AM.
<Brutus> DOE crude news10:30
<szubaark>  Shorts NQ @ 1743.50 paper

low re-test would be nice10:32

exit stop set NQ @ 1743.50 paper 10:33

no juice.. will have to get better entry

Covered all Short NQ at 1743.50 --> 0 paper 10:34

Buys NQ @ 1745 paper 10:35
<RussellDaytrade>  buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 770.5 paper 10:37
<szubaark>  exit stop set NQ @ 1745 paper 10:40
<NihabaAshi> ER2 closed its GAP :)
Party hats on :)10:41
<szubaark>  Exited all Long NQ at 1746.25 --> + 1.25 paper
<NihabaAshi> By doing so it kepted alive another Election year market tendency.
<szubaark> dont like this price action on NQ :((
<RussellDaytrade>  cancelled all open stop orders paper 10:42
<yvberj> Long ER 767.8 exit 787.8
<RussellDaytrade> it got most of the way there, actually wanting to short it above 770
Shorts ER2 @ 770. paper 10:46
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<RussellDaytrade> setup target down 3.60 in 39 minutes from high, targets may be adjusted if price keeps running10:49
Covered all ER2 Short @ 769.2 --> + 0.8 paper 10:55
buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 770.5 paper 10:56
looking for a retest of high to re-enter short10:57
cancelled all open stop orders paper
Shorts ER2 @ 769.9 paper
Covered all ER2 Short @ 768.6 --> + 1.3 paper 10:58

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<Brutus> I am following a scenario that is playing out well today. IF ES makes new highs after 1230 we could have a very large move to the upside.10:59
<RussellDaytrade> brut, think we may see a price direction to the downside, and split dif of todays low-high, approx 765.5...11:02
<Brutus> Maybe not so low, but am looking for a pullback to 123011:03
<RussellDaytrade> perhaps we challenge vwap, etc, break a little beneath it to test resolve of longs?
<Brutus> Smart longs new this all along. Odds were the dems winning the house right. Nothing new...11:06
<RussellDaytrade> that prcie target i noted above, down 3.60 in 39, etc, (equates to 766.5 +/-), usually, (emphasis), the hgiest probabilty trade is the first portion of that, ie, a buck-buck and a half of it, and, if it retests during the first portion of the timeframe of everall target, ie (39 overall, so, within 10 minutes of high, as example, it varies slightly, a visual interpretation helps), it is more likely to fulfill another run at th11:09
if retest takes too long to happen, ie, happens in the latter portion of target timeframe, odds of meeting setup targets are reduced, usually.11:10
<NihabaAshi> ER2 volatility has been declining as normal after a first hour run-up.
<jperl> I'm done for the morning....here are the executions....11:11
http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-11-08/JP ERL_0110.png
last series of trades were scale ins to get out of a lousy YM short
so instead of a loss of 21 ticks, I had a net profit of 211:15
<RussellDaytrade> in allowance for factoring the trade objectives, in order to increase capture to a higher ratio of setup targets, usually, when the market is either more deeply oversold/bought, the odds favor a more meaningful move in teh opposite direction, hence, larger ratio of setup target can be looked for in a trade target...

when its not (deeply sold/bot), factoring of trade objectives relative to setup targets is more, advisible.11:16

thanks, wanted to share, helps to hammer it home.11:17

Shorts ER2 @ 770 paper 11:21

no edge, just trading, looking for .5 / minor amount11:22

Covered all ER2 Short @ 769.7 --> + 0.3 paper 11:24

think we just had a target reset, down 2.80 from high in 43, so, 767.811:32

late on that call, perhaps there'll be a secondary entry short, (above the target trendline down)11:34

market seems to have lost impetus on that last run up.... 770.2 or so may be as much as we get up11:36

Shorts ER2 @ 770.1 paper 11:39

stop 770.6, target 768.611:40

Covered all ER2 Short @ 769.5 --> + 0.6 paper 11:43

great setup, lost my frotitude11:44
<jperl> For those of you interested.....
I have annotated the YM chart to show the short entry and exit points on my last YM trade...11:45
http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-11-08/JP ERL_0111.png
If I had acted smart....
I would have reversed the trade when price action crossed the VWAP line....
I didn't....11:46
so I had to find scale in points to get out of it without a loss
<szubaark> jperl.. that scaling is fine and dendy when u get pullbacks, BUT if u get caught in a trend day. it can be painful11:48
<RussellDaytrade> we're below yesterdays vwap of 771, tem buyers from yesterday may be beginning to get real anxious about tnot, and say $#@%^, just sell.11:49
<jperl> agree szu.....11:50

so I would only do it if there is protection above me....

in this case, the previous close and yesterdays VWAP were above me
<szubaark> hmm.. see some type of "triangle" forming on NQ.. lets look at longer timeframes11:51
<RussellDaytrade> jp, that vwap chart is very similar to yesterdays, spike up in am, followed by slow roll down. repeat today. or a late day 'upside surprise'11:53

i htink it may get pushed to 767.5 here, +/-11:56

i'm going to the backburner til i see something that calls attention to itself11:59
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<jperl> ER2 at yesterdays VWAP 771.1112:08
<Brutus> 1pm Bush to make significant announcement12:27
<RussellDaytrade> that late spike down just fullfilled the last target of 767.8, approx. it was about 6-7 late, and ...12:28

a few ticks short, but wait, thre it is!12:29
<jperl> ER2 at VWAP 767.41
<RussellDaytrade> buyer become seller now? below vwap?12:30
<jperl> yes
<Brutus> 1230 ES looking weak, it is pivot time, will buy ER at new ES highs.
<jperl> provided price action stays below VWAP
<RussellDaytrade> amazing the way traders/floor traders, etc, move these prices, it's like they gotta cover their butts12:31

and yet, its almost...predictable!12:32
<Brutus> Democrat Tester declared winner for Senate seat in Montana12:47
Democrats will take control of the U.S. Senate if they win the tight Virginia Senate race
Secy Rumsfeld To Step Down, must be the Bush 1pm news12:50
<RussellDaytrade> GOP is dumping balast12:51
<Brutus> Looks like 1240 was the pivot time.12:52
<RussellDaytrade> nailed that well, brut

even a buy at 1230, while painful at first, worked out12:53
<Brutus> When ES breaks the HOD this is going through the roof.12:56
<Chilly> wow .. hope somebody got the nice lunchtime moves on ER .. I forgot that lunch is for wimps :)12:58
<RussellDaytrade> Rumsfeld a trend-follower? Leaves post haste when the going gets tough. there's your 'lunchtime wimp'13:00
<yvberj> This news will probably give the mkt. a boost.13:11
<Brutus>  Long ER2 @ 768.7
<RussellDaytrade> perhaps mkt may see more uncertainty about it13:12
<Brutus> Yes tight stop
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<yvberj> The voters want a change & this one is long overdue. Once it's digested I think the mkt will see it as a positive.13:14
<RussellDaytrade> you may have a better read on that reaction than i yv.13:15
<yvberj> The mkt. will certainly tell us. Right now I'm in a wait & see mode.13:16
<RussellDaytrade> may take a little tiem to digest any ramifications, makt may give better (lower) prices for long entries, i think

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<Brutus> New highs please stop at BE
There is a lord and he listens to me :)13:17
<RussellDaytrade> yes he does.13:18
<Brutus>  Exited ER2 Long @ 769.4 --> + 0.7 13:20
I am still bullish as long as ES is above that 1240 pivot. This could easily get a strong rally soon.13:27
Long ER2 @ 769.5 13:28
Exited ER2 Long @ 769.7 --> + 0.2 13:31
<pat255> hi guys ...back for a little bit ..office ...:(13:36
<Brutus>  Long ER2 @ 770.8 13:48
<szubaark>  Buys NQ @ 1754 paper 13:49
<yvberj> 113:50
<Brutus>  Exited ER2 Long @ 771.6 --> + 0.8

ER, NQ new highs13:52
<szubaark> yup..looking for some followthru
<RussellDaytrade> selloffs getting shallower
<szubaark>  exit stop set NQ @ 1754 paper
well..main thing is they never re-tested lows13:53
shorts are getting nervous
<RussellDaytrade> and shorter in duration, short will scramble to cover
<szubaark>  Exited all Long NQ at 1756.50 --> + 2.5 paper 13:54



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<Brutus> Not much volume on the breakout13:56
<szubaark> YM needs to catch up
<yvberj> Long 771.5 exit 772.713:57
<NihabaAshi> I just got back.14:15
Looks like ER2 still has on its party hats :)14:21
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<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 774.10 -> small size 14:27
1 contract only
<Brutus> Veterans Day (Observed); govt

Offices closed; markets open
<NihabaAshi> I'm still bullish.
<Brutus> Friday 10th Nov
<NihabaAshi>  Covered ER2 Short @ 773.70 --> + 0.4 14:29
<Brutus> ES new highs at 1500 small sell at 1530. See if it works :)14:31
<NihabaAshi> However, it doesn't make up for the missed bullish signals around 1245pm and 1:30pm est :(14:32
<RussellDaytrade> lets see if this will help...
<NihabaAshi> Was out doing some personal stuff.
<RussellDaytrade> ltel 776

buy stop to enter long ER2 @ 776 paper
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 775.00 -> small size 14:34
Very oor entry...
meant poor entry.
<szubaark> Niha on NQ 5 min u got 2 WRB's back to back (green and red) how u see that?14:35
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 774.00 --> - 1
Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 774.00
<szubaark> actually 3 2:15 2:25 and 2:35 WRB's
<NihabaAshi> That's a reverse position at 774.40
Will correct in a minute...
<yvberj> 114:37
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 775.00 -> small size
Exited ER2 Long @ 774.40 --> - 0.6
Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 774.40
That's what happens when entries are poor :(
ER2 volatility is slowly declining...if it continues that way...their WILL BE a volatility spike...14:40
Hopefully in the direction of my trade.
<szubaark> each candle higher low :(14:41
<Brutus> This is from a poster on ET he posted before the open and this at lunch
I have been long ever since and don't intend to sell until surpass yesterday's high prints.14:42
<NihabaAshi>  Covered ER2 Short @ 774.70 --> - 0.3

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 774.70
<szubaark> typical afternoon games they play
<Brutus> Not games Szu but a repeating pattern14:43
<NihabaAshi> Added a few contracts on that position reversal.
<szubaark> brutus what pattern u see?14:44
<NihabaAshi> I missed the increasing volatility and came back to start trading again...declining volatility :(
Someone saw me coming and decided to call it a day :)14:45
<Brutus> This days action, gap down on negative news

When the trend is up
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 774.40 --> - 0.3 14:46
Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 774.40
<Brutus> Print out todays chart, put notes and it stick it on the wall, it will be a start :)14:47
<NihabaAshi> Volatility still declining...14:50
<RussellDaytrade>  cancelled all open stop orders paper 14:54

stepping out, better cancel
<NihabaAshi> ER2 volatility now dead14:56
No volatility spike...looking to dump this short.15:03
<yvberj> At this point I'm looking for gravity to bring it dn.15:04
<NihabaAshi> :)
Oh oh...my ping monitor just got poor...well over 300 ms15:07
Shorts ER2 @ 774.60 -> Add 15:10
1 contract add...trying to manage a data problem.
Covered ER2 Short @ 774.00 --> + 1 15:12
That's a +0.60 on that contract...not a +1.00
Covered ER2 Short @ 772.90 --> + 1.5 15:14
<yo> nice
<NihabaAshi> Holding 1 contract15:15
That was a volatility spike that should'uv occurred a few intervals ago :(15:16
Looks like the data problem worked in my favor when most of the time it doesn't.
<yo> :)15:17
<NihabaAshi> Didn't plan on doing more than 1 contract shorts but I got caught in the declining volatility after returning from doing some personal stuff.15:18
Had to adapt :)
<yvberj> Closed ER in @ 774.5 exit 772.715:19

That was a short.
<NihabaAshi> The poor Long entry at 775.00 started the problem when I should have gotten Long at 774.50 :(
I got my profit goal for the day...15:23
I'm just going to let it ride and see what happens on this Short.
exit stop set ER2 @ 774.30 15:24
Ping monitor has my connection down to 100 ms in comparison to the 30 ms prior to the open.15:27
Yep...I'm now using a ping plotter to let me know when I will be having poor slippage due to data problems :(15:28
The slippage has cost me at least 5k in the past 3 months...
Figure I can control things if I knew when there was a problem PRIOR to taking a trade position...better for my bottom line.15:29
<Brutus> Your doing better than the 300ms I get.15:30
<NihabaAshi> Now I am...
A good normal internet connection is 100 - 300 ms...
<Brutus> Human reacion time is about 200ms

I think
<NihabaAshi> Yet, that's not good enough for trading when most of the big boys are doing < 50 ms15:31
<Brutus> Good swing trade long to tomorrowas 830 news
<NihabaAshi>  Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 773.70 --> + 0.7
That was a mental trailing stop exit...needed 773.70 and below to stay above my profit goal for the day.15:32
Anyways, the neighbor next door has DSL (not cable like me) and the same ping plotter is giving him 30 - 60 ms15:33
I tested that during the "personal stuff" when I was away from trading.
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<NihabaAshi> I tested it on one of my trading computers.15:34
Came back home and reconnected to the cable...back to over 100 ms.
Thus, I'm going to be calling up my network friend to switch over my systems from cable to dsl.15:35
<jperl> sounds more like your cable provider is not giving you max throughput
<NihabaAshi> He also recommend dsl for faster ms connections eventhough slower download time for downloading files or webpage loading.
I not interested in fast webpage downloads :)15:36
I'm intersted in low latency when having streaming data.
Too bad my cable company has a monopoly because there's no other cable provider competition :(15:37
I learned something new big time today about file download speed versus latency.15:38
In that sense...it was a very good day of trading.15:39
<Brutus> GOOG is having a minor dump
<NihabaAshi> I always thought fast file downloading was the key...I was wrong.
Its not important if I'm having latency problems where my ms can be different by several hundred points throughout the trading day and then very low at night.15:41
I don't trade at night so I could care less about low latency at 8pm est :)
I have DSL at the condo and will do one day of trading from there just in the morning along with monitoring the ping latency.15:43
Will do this next week or the following week when I go up there to prepare the place for winter cleaning (ski time).
On that note...I survived another day of data problems but with the help of a ping plotter program.15:47
I'm done trading.
* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away
<yo> take care ;)
<yvberj> That's it for me too. Have a good eve. everyone.15:48
<yo> yo gn
<Brutus> cul8r
<Chilly> gn folks15:49
<RussellDaytrade> so long

stickin around for a bit longer

great read on the mkt today brut15:50
<Brutus> Thanks made $900 today, so played very conservatively in the afternoon.16:00
<RussellDaytrade> how many is your max open positions brut/ capital base, if you don't mind my asking?

nice goin!16:01
<Brutus> I think the 830 news will cause a gap up. they will keep buying to 1615
Today 2 contracts on the first trade posted and 1 contract after tht
My account is 50k so i do trade very conservatively16:02
<RussellDaytrade> grinding it out...

good ample capital to position size ratio

keeps one sane16:03
<Brutus> on moday I went to 14 contract to get me out of a bad trade
That was very bad trading
<RussellDaytrade> easier to think straight and clear, and remain on the offensive
<Brutus> and discipline
* NihabaAshi_away is now known as NihabaAshi16:04
<RussellDaytrade> build it up slow and steady, stay sane
<Brutus> If I can get my consistency up I will up the contracts

Yes to do 3 on every scalp and scale out like apex16:05
<RussellDaytrade> yeah, this contract moves so fast, i would encourage apex to widen his scales and reduce his contract size..16:06
<Brutus> Friday should be good for scalping

Milk it all day
<RussellDaytrade> likely would capture higher portions of moves, make same, or more, with les risk
<yo> gn all16:07
<RussellDaytrade> off to do other things, so long all.
<Brutus> cu
* DisconnectedSession Close: Wed Nov 08 16:23:58 200616:23

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