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#FuturesTrades November 5th Monday 2007 Trade Log

 

Russell 2000 Emini ER2 Futures

Today Month Year
+22.30 +104.10 +3181.90
$2,230 $10,410 $318,190

Profitable Trade

0955am - 1005am est

Losing Trade

1342pm - 1349pm est

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Current Performance Record

Key Trades of the Day (see chat log below)

Profit/Loss Statement

 

General Strategy Info: The above profit/loss info represents trades by M.A. Perry (a.k.a. NihabaAshi) only and all trades were posted in realtime as shown in the below chat log. 

Although I'm not familiar with the trade methods used by most members of #FuturesTrades, I use a rule based (no subjectivity) methodology that involves WRB Analysis.

  There is some subjectivity involved with some of my trades when I'm developing a new strategy (hence the name TheStrategyLab.com) that uses WRB Analysis.

In fact, many of my trades or profit targets will occur within key WRB support/resistance zones because these price areas gives me a better understanding of key changes in supply demand.

  Traditional pivot point analysis or traditional s/r levels are inadequate in understanding changes in supply/demand of the Russell 2000 Emini ER2 or any other trading instrument of today's markets in comparison to WRB Analysis.

WRB Analysis is also a key aspect in my use of intermarket analysis (ex. Oil and Gold), market seasonal tendencies, volatility analysis and custom Japanese Candlestick patterns to complete my trading plan that results in consistent profits.

Further, position size management is a key aspect of my trading and I trade any where between 1 to 9 contracts per trade depending upon the volatility, pattern signal, seasonal tendencies or intuition.

All of my trades and commentary for today's market action (posted below) are via the user name NihabaAshi (Japanese Candlestick term) and I exclusively trade the Russell 2000 Emini ER2 futures even though I closely monitor other key markets so that I'll have a better understanding of ER2 price action. 

With that said, today's trade posting chat log is below and it contains all my trades that were posted in realtime along with the trades of other members of #FuturesTrades.

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Session Start: Mon Nov 05 09:34:05 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades
* Now talking in #futurestrades09:34
<X> [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm
<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 790.00 -> large size 09:35
<eminitrader>  Long ES @ 1499.75 09:36
Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1501.75 --> + 2 09:37
<pat255> hi all em..
<eminitrader> morn pat
<pat255> no see u last few days
<eminitrader> was trading but not logged on ..have broadband issues :(09:38
<pat255> k..
<eminitrader>  Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1501.25 --> + 1.5 09:39
<NihabaAshi>  Covered all ER2 Short @ 789.70 --> + 0.3

Too hot for even me to hold :)
<eminitrader>  Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1502.75 --> + 3 09:40
<pat255> hmmm @office ..:(

need to be careful
<Nesi>  Shorts ER2 @ 790.50 «« Scalp »» 09:42
<NihabaAshi> no fill...price drop snuck right by me :(09:45
<Nesi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 790 --> - 0.5 «« Scalp »» 09:46
Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 790 «« Scalp »»
<eminitrader>  Shorts ES @ 1503.75
<Nesi> mistake again
wrong post
<Brutus> caref43 72 as209:47

7k ask
<Nesi>  Long ER2 @ 790.50 «« Scalp »» 09:48
<szubaark>  Shorts ES @ 1503.25 «« paper »» 09:49
<eminitrader>  exit stop lowered ES @ 1504.25 09:50
<NihabaAshi> geeesh...crazy price action so far in ER2
<eminitrader>  Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1501.75 --> + 2
<Nesi> very
<szubaark>  Covered 1/2 Short ES at 1501.25 --> + 2 «« paper »» 09:51
<Nesi>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 789.50 --> - 10.3 «« Scalp »»
<eminitrader>  exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1503.75
<NihabaAshi> DAX looks like its just sitting in a chair taking it easy :)09:52

Finally, first serious volatility decline of the morning...09:54

I'm expecting a volatility spike here soon.
<Nesi> thx09:55
<szubaark>  Covered all Short ES at 1503.25 --> 0 «« paper »»
<eminitrader>  Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1503.75 --> 0
<Nesi>  Long ER2 @ 789.70 «« Scalp »»
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 789.80 -> medium size
wow09:57
something is up in the market to make it this jittery.
<Nesi>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 791 --> + 1.3 «« Scalp »»
<NihabaAshi>  Exited 3/4 ER2 Long @ 792.50 --> + 2.7 10:00
<Nesi> vn
<NihabaAshi> I didn't know which way (up or down) the volatility spike was going to take price so I put in a buy order at 789.80 because other key markets was starting to make some higher lows.10:02
<Nesi> medium size for you is how many c ?10:03
<NihabaAshi> Depends of the trading day but today it was just 4 contracts
<Nesi> thx
<NihabaAshi>  Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 793.10 --> + 3.3 10:05
<Nesi> you already in your tgt :)
<NihabaAshi> 792.50 was my primary target10:06
There's an s/r zone in that area of 792.5010:07
volatility now stabilizing enough where things are much smoother in the price action.10:08
<Nesi> short oil 94.50 1c10:09

94.05
<werner> mm ts props?10:10
ts down here10:11
<ItalianSharp> working fine here werner
<werner> tx IS10:12
<pdays> Here too
<werner> tx
<szubaark>  Shorts ES @ 1505.50 «« paper »» 10:17
<eminitrader>  Long ES @ 1504 10:18
<szubaark>  exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1505.50 «« paper »» 10:19
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 790.20 -> small size 10:20
<szubaark>  Covered all Short ES at 1505.50 --> 0 «« paper »»
<eminitrader>  Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1505.50 --> + 1.5
<X>  #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for traders and intermarket analysis of Emini Futures (EMD, ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, XLE, QQQQ, SPY)10:22
<Tim_a> lice long call e10:23
nice
<eminitrader> thx t
<NihabaAshi>  Exited 2/3 ER2 Long @ 791.30 --> + 1.1 10:24
<eminitrader> 1505.50 - 1503.50 ...was buy area...

missed a add @ 1503 area..

wld have been loaded for the potential gap fill

Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1507 --> + 3 10:25
<szubaark>  Buys ES @ 1507 «« paper »»
<eminitrader> es needs to clear 1509 and nq 2219 ...for it to get the bulls going10:27
<szubaark> 1511 is last swing high, so watching that as resistance
<eminitrader>  Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1508 --> + 4 10:28

yep ..1st level res @ 1508-0910:29
<NihabaAshi> punks
<szubaark>  Exited all Long ES at 1505 --> - 2 «« paper »» 10:30

Shorts ES @ 1505 «« paper »»
<NihabaAshi>  Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 790.40 --> + 0.2
<eminitrader> might try to test that level again if 1503 supp holds
<NihabaAshi> It came fast back down to that s/r zone I've been exploiting.
Long ER2 @ 790.70 -> small size 10:31
<szubaark> expecting volatility spike here, hopefully to downside, im Short
<eminitrader>  Long ES @ 1506.50 10:34
<NihabaAshi>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 791.80 --> + 1.1

I reached my profit goal for the day from the prior trade.10:35

This last trade was like icing on the cake.

Thus, I'm officially in profit protection mode.10:36

1 contract only for the remainder of the trading day.
<eminitrader>  Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1509 --> + 2.5
<szubaark> Volatility spike went against me :((

Covered all Short ES at 1510 --> - 5 «« paper »» 10:38

:((
<eminitrader> nq stalling right @ res10:40
<Brutus> yep
<eminitrader> prolly see a small pillback ..before the retest
exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1506.50 10:41
Exited ES Long @ 1510.50 --> + 4 10:43
holding 3 for gap fill...
<Brutus> good trade e
<eminitrader> thx B
<pat255> nice read em
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 794.70 -> small size 10:44
Market breadth support
<eminitrader> thx pat...yep pa was giving good direction of the mrkt flow after the first half hr
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 795..90 --> + 795..90 - 794.70 10:45
ooops
Exited ER2 Long @ 795.90 --> + 1.2
<eminitrader> k guys...long trend for now confirmed...

if u want to enter long on the pullback ...high probability of gap fill...stop 1503.25..breks that all bets are off..i will be looking to add around 1504.50 - 1505-50 if it gets thre10:47
<Guest35179>  Shorts ER2 @ 794.7 10:48
<eminitrader> be back
<szubaark>  Shorts ES @ 1510.25 «« paper »» 10:50
<Guest35179>  Covered all ER2 Short @ 793.8 --> + 0.9 10:51
<szubaark>  Covered 1/2 Short ES at 1508.50 --> + 1.75 «« paper »» 11:00
<pat255> later guys11:02
<szubaark>  Covered all Short ES at 1510.25 --> 0 «« paper »» 11:06
Buys ES @ 1509 «« paper »» 11:14
<Guest35179>  Long ER2 @ 793 11:24

Exited all ER2 Long @ 791.4 --> - 1.6 11:32

Shorts ER2 @ 791 11:36

Covered all ER2 Short @ 790.5 --> + 0.5 11:40

Shorts ER2 @ 792.4 11:42

Covered all ER2 Short @ 793.1 --> - 0.7 11:46
<szubaark> nice volatility to the upside11:48
hi goodmood11:50
<GoodMood> hi szu
* codehead_afk is now known as codehead11:57
<Guest35179>  Long ER2 @ 793.5 12:01

Exited all ER2 Long @ 791.8 --> - 1.7 12:04

Long ER2 @ 790.9 12:08
<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 790.40 -> small size
Dark Hammer Line trying to form12:09
I need to be careful here
<Nesi> oil near day high

gold too
<Guest35179>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 792.1 --> + 1.2
<NihabaAshi> ooops12:10

It's 791.40 and not 790.40

That 0 snuck in there some how12:11
<Nesi> oil high
<NihabaAshi> correcting

Shorts ER2 @ 791.40 -> small size 12:12

Looks like I can cover at 790.40 :)

Covered ER2 Short @ 790.30 --> + 1.1 12:13

That's a 2min Dark WRB interval.12:14

Lets see if it sets up any contracting volatility
<Guest35179>  Long ER2 @ 790.2 12:16
Exited all ER2 Long @ 790.9 --> + 0.7 12:20
<szubaark>  Exited all Long ES at 1505.50 --> - 3.5 «« paper »» 12:24

weird Price Action
<Guest35179>  Shorts ER2 @ 789.5 12:25
<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 789.40 -> small size
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<NihabaAshi> Starting to look like a volatility fade12:26

Covered ER2 Short @ 789.60 --> - 0.2 12:28

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 789.60
<szubaark>  Buys ES @ 1506 «« paper »»
<eminitrader> mrkt flow now indicating a test of lows with the brek of 1505.50trend

possible entry areas 1508-151012:29
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 790.00 --> + 0.4
<eminitrader> with this trend change lower probability of new highs and higher probability of new lows...12:30
<NihabaAshi> Starting turning into contracting volatility again.
<eminitrader> key support for the uptrend to hold changed from 1503.25 to 1505.50 with the retest of highs @ 11:45 est12:31
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 790.10 -> small size 12:32
Should be a good battle here in this s/r zone12:33
<Guest35179>  Covered all ER2 Short @ 790.1 --> - 0.6
<szubaark> yes, this is the Chop zone from early this morning
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 791.50 --> + 1.4 12:35
  
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<szubaark> Niha that was quick12:36
<NihabaAshi> Yeah
<GoodMood> Kick it like Beckham - Trade it like Niha !
<NihabaAshi> I like it when I go into a trade to keep it for awhile but I reach a profit target much faster than I expected.

Makes it look like a "scalp" even though I'm not a scalper nor do I have the proper system setup for scalping.12:37
<szubaark>  Exited 1/2 Long ES at 1508 --> + 2 «« paper »» 12:39
exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1506 «« paper »»
<NihabaAshi> :)
<szubaark> no battle so far in this prior S/R zone12:41
looks like taking out Stops at last swing low was what they wanted
Volatility contracting, expecting Volatility spike soon, hopefully to upside12:45
<ItalianSharp> krozner is due to speak at 1pm...just a reminder12:52
<szubaark>  Exited all Long ES at 1506 --> 0 «« paper »» 12:53
:(, spike did not go my way
<NihabaAshi> Good price area for the market to attempt a price rise13:01

I missed the boat around 792.50
<szubaark>  Buys ES @ 1508.75 «« paper »» 13:02
chasing here
<eminitrader> is anyone short from the 1508-1510 area ?13:19
<szubaark>  Exited all Long ES at 1504] --> - 4.75 «« paper »»
stupid trade
<eminitrader> that was against the flow szu :(13:20
<szubaark> yeah im having difficulty as always trading these Tight, Range days.. keep getting whacked and lose my discipline
<eminitrader> yep days like these are tough to trade ..gotto be careful13:21

see a possible entry to the sell side @ around 1507-1508 with stop @ 1510 szu13:22

done for the day holding 2 for test of lows...good trading all13:23
* Stowe long ym 13528
adds to long ym 1352413:24
adds to long ym 13525
adds to long ym 1352613:25
adds to long ym 1352913:26
<ItalianSharp> true...although ES range is very tradable...over 10 pts, which is not that bad13:27

YM with almost a 100-pt range today...agree it's mainly chop, but still...it provides decent room for some good trades

I have problems trading YM when its range is below 65-60 pts13:28
* Stowe adds to long ym 1352713:29
adds to long ym 1353013:31
<szubaark>  Shorts ES @ 1503.75 «« paper »» 13:35
* Stowe adds to long ym 1351813:39
<szubaark>  Covered all Short ES at 1503.75 --> 0 «« paper »» 13:40
* Stowe adds to long ym 1352613:41
* szubaark is now known as szubaark_away
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 790.80 -> small size 13:42
* Stowe adds to long ym 1351113:43
<NihabaAshi> I hate these types of trades that quickly go 2 - 5 ticks against me within seconds after entry :(
* Stowe adds to long ym 1350913:44
<ItalianSharp> true...they give you no time to prepare a back-up plan
<NihabaAshi> weak support area here.13:46

Hopefully it holds

Market Breadth no looking to hot but Oil and Gold not breaking down.13:47

Simply, I still have a chance to exit this trade at a profit.
* Stowe adds to long ym 1350413:49
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 789.50 --> - 1.3

Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 789.50

Gold and Oil breaking down
* Stowe adds to long ym 13493
adds to long ym 1348813:50
adds to long ym 1348413:53
<NihabaAshi>  Covered ER2 Short @ 786.90 --> + 2.6 13:55
<ItalianSharp> nice reversal niha
twice as big as the prior loser...really nice
<NihabaAshi> I had a lot of help via "intermarket analysis" of other key markets :)
* Stowe adds to long ym 13480
<Stowe> well it was worth about the same as getting 45 ym points niha...a good trade13:56
<NihabaAshi> thanks13:57
<Stowe> if my calculations are right
* Stowe adds to long ym 1348113:58
adds to long ym 1349014:00
adds to long ym 1349614:03
<Guest35179>  Shorts ER2 @ 788 14:26
<werner> ben al stopt
ow sorry wrong window
<Guest35179>  Covered all ER2 Short @ 787.4 --> + 0.6 14:27
<X>  #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for traders and intermarket analysis of Emini Futures (EMD, ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, XLE, QQQQ, SPY)14:28
<Brutus> thats the oct 22nd low on ES14:36

11/05/2007 14:35 *DJ OIL FUTURES: Nymex Crude Ends Down $1.87 At $94.0614:38
<Stowe> 13547 ym should be a reasonable target14:52
<GoodMood> .
<Stowe> ..15:09
<Guest35179> was there some news?15:13
* Stowe sells some ym 13570 +42,+46,+45,+44,+41,+43,+40 from 13530 to 13524 longs15:15
<Stowe> yeah...the news was...they wanted to ramp it
* Stowe sells more ym 13588 +70,+77,+79,+84,+95 from 13518 to 13493 longs15:20
<pat255> vn stowe...15:21

stuck @office today...:(
* Stowe sells remaining ym 13601 +113,+117,+121,+120,+111,+105 from 13480 to 13496 longs15:22
<Stowe> thanks pat15:23
<Tim_a> vn stowe
<pat255> great system u have plus guts to go for it
<Stowe> last part of that statement is correct15:24
<pat255> :)
<Stowe> although sometimes no amount of guts works
<pat255> true...
<Stowe> at which time i get slaughtered
interesting "news"15:25
lol
<Tim_a> news?
<Stowe> maybe pisani said, "the market internals are good"
<Tim_a> all i see is a test of the 20 week ma on spx and indu15:26
<Stowe> yeah at 12pm the news was "they wanted to tank it
yeah at 2:40pm the news was "they wanted to ramp it
<ItalianSharp> Market rallying on rumor of emergency rate cut
<Stowe> emergency healthcare?15:27
for illegals?
<Tim_a> rumor right at the 20 ma, how convinient

20 week ma15:28
<Stowe> as if another rate cuts would do anything
why not cut it to zero?
then we could bubble housing again15:29
<Tim_a> meth doesnt help junkies, but they still go for it
* Stowe short ym 1360115:31
adds to short ym 1360015:32
<Tim_a> roday's chart goes to show that anything can happen at any time
* Stowe adds to short ym 13603
adds to short ym 1360815:33
adds to short ym 1361415:34
adds to short ym 1361815:35
adds to short ym 13625
adds to short ym 1363515:36
adds to short ym 13624
adds to short ym 1361915:37
covers some ym 13575 to 13578 +26,+25,+28,+30,+36,+43,+50,+57,+49,+41 from 13600 to 13635 shorts15:46
<Tim_a> if you dont mind my asking stoew, what signaled your ym short (nice call)15:48
* Stowe covers remaining ym 13585 to 13587 +16,+13,+18,+27,+33 from 13600 to 13635 shorts15:49
<Stowe> it was insanity to the upside and i thought it was too high

there's no signal fast enough for that

if you wait...it's gone15:50
<Tim_a> the 2nd to last ym bar looked like stall, but you were already in
<Stowe> there are no "indicators" that look forward

that's why there's no such thing as a "forward-view mirror" in your car15:51

all you can do is look with your eyes
<Tim_a> i dont use indicators, other than minding major ma, and agree completley that indicators hoplessly lag, put pa can sometimes look like a stall or reversal15:52
'but pa'
<Stowe> there are good reasons for resist/support
<Guest35179>  Shorts ER2 @ 795
<Stowe> and those make for good targets and stops

but other than scaling into a move, there's nothing you can15:53

so take those "indicators" and stick them in the trash

but other than scaling into a move, there's nothing you can do
<cmr> What timeframe are you using Stowe ?15:54
<Tim_a> today's support & resist looks like 20 week ma's, and the top of the gap
<Stowe> i like 10 min.
although i use 5 and 115:55
<cmr> So, "instintive" trades ?
<Stowe> ofc
never let your indicators tell you not to trade when you actually want to15:56
<Guest35179>  Covered all ER2 Short @ 794.5 --> + 0.5
  
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<Stowe> indicators are for those who want to say "whew!" to themselves cause they're too chicken to enter
<Guest35179>  Shorts ER2 @ 793.9 15:58

Covered all ER2 Short @ 792.9 --> + 1 15:59

Long ER2 @ 792 16:00
<Brutus>  ============ U.S. MARKETS ACTION ===========
DJIA down 31.95 points to 13562.18
NASDAQ down 11.12 points to 2799.69
S&P 500 down 4.97 points to 1504.79
10-year T-note down 2/32 at 103 10/32 yield 4.329
NYMEX Spot Crude down $1.95 at $93.98/bbl at close
Dollar/Euro up 0.0012 at 1.447016:01
http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/tda meritrade-com/html-story.asp?guid={3ea44 9fa-aa4a-490a-b04e-d3d75f01bc58}
<Guest35179>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 791.6 --> - 0.4
<NihabaAshi> I'm curious to see if ER2 closes the trading day within that key s/r zone from this morning 791.60 - 788.5016:10
<werner> gn all16:26
<NihabaAshi> Take care all and see all tomorrow16:31
* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away
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* DisconnectedSession Close: Mon Nov 05 16:39:33 200716:39
  
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NYMEX Energies Light Crude Oil CL, e-miNY QM and Natural Gas NG

COMEX Metals Gold GC and ZG

Hang Seng Index Futures HSI

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