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#FuturesTrades October 13th Monday 2008 Trade Log

 

Trade Posting Chat Log Info: My name is M.A. Perry (a.k.a. online as NihabaAshi - martial arts & Japanese Candlestick term) and I am the moderator of #FuturesTrades.

Simply, my job is to keep the peace and ensure #FuturesTrades is a useful community of traders from around the world that have gather in a virtual trading office.

In addition, I personally use the below chat log as feedback for critical trading information that's not available when I review my broker statements nor any statistical analysis of my trading.  To maintain the usefulness of the below chat log, all of my trades were posted in real-time within 5 seconds after entry or exit unless otherwise noted in the log. 

  To read behind the scenes details about my trades posted below such as explanation of position size, stop management, chart interval choice et cetera...click here.

Further, although I'm not familiar with the trade methods used by most members of #FuturesTrades, I use a rule based methodology (very objective) that involves price action only trading (no indicators). However, some of my trades are intuition via market experience in combo with many concepts from my rule based methodology.

  My own current performance record and broker profit/loss statement is posted at the bottom of today's log.

With that said, today's trade posting chat log is below and it contains trades posted in real-time by #FuturesTrades members including all of my own trades that were posted in real-time. 

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Session Start: Mon Oct 13 09:23:30 2008Session Ident: #futurestrades
* Now talking in #futurestrades09:23
<@X> [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm
<ItalianSharp> morning all09:24
<Maximus> gm
<pat255> gm all
<rickf> gm
<+ItalianSharp> we may get the first up day today..."maybe"
<+pat255> y09:25
<futurible> gm all
<+rickf> FYI - got ISP dude coming to upgrade my net connection this morning, so won't be trading .... avoid getting caught if/when he yanks my connection downstairs09:26
and i'm teaching rest of the week, so i won't be around much 'till next monday
<PapaJon> gm all
<+rickf> (for those wondering or keeping track or stalking or whatever lol)
<+pat255> thks rick ...enjoy your week09:27
<Nesi> what do you teach? :)
<+rickf> incident response operations for IT security folks
<+Maximus> looking strong into the bell here09:29
long ES 94409:30
<fy260498>  sell stop to enter short ES @ 942.50 «« paper »»
<+Maximus> Out ES 945.00 +109:31
chopping that 945 level really hard..
<+fy260498> Block selling at 945.75
<TraderG> good morning09:32
<+fy260498> Filled ans Stopped out

-2
<drt> gm09:33
<+Maximus> i think my vix is off.. anyone's reading 71.42?09:36

oh there it goes 64.76
<+rickf> VIX @ 65 down 509:37
<+fy260498> 954.50 would be the area to watch09:38

If it can get there in this push
<+Maximus> long ES 947.2509:39
<silo> morning09:40
<+fy260498> Very Choppy Open
<T-stop> hey silo
<+Maximus> Out ES 948.25 +109:41
<szubaark>  Shorts ES @ 941.25 «« paper »» 09:49
<+rickf> good entry09:51
<+Maximus> short ES 939.25
<+szubaark> we'll see
<+Maximus> out 938.25 +1
<+szubaark> tightening stop
exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 941.25 «« paper »»
<AustinJM> new lows09:52
<+Maximus> session lows09:53
<+rickf> 909.25 session low (24-hr session)

:)
<+Maximus> yup
referring to the 9:30-4:15 sesh :)09:54
<+rickf> this is setting up to be a short-lived bounce?

yeah figured that lol
<+Maximus> who knows.. in the
anything can happen" camp
<fy260498> Break below 932.00 - Could that be a Short Opportunity
<+fy260498> ATM 936.00 seems to hold09:55
<+rickf> possibly

936 short-term support
<+fy260498> BUT second attempt to break 932.00 would create sell-off once again - IMO
<silo> woke up late today09:56
<+silo> then had to restart :(
that was a nice short i missed
<+AustinJM> way to miss the open :)
<+silo> :)
<+fy260498> but if 932.00 is broken, the reward may not be that big as 929.25 may then hold it back possibly09:57
<+rickf> bang
<+fy260498> lets see how it goes
<+AustinJM> well right now on a 3 minute chart it looks like there is some decision making going on. its hovering
Someoens gotta tip their hand
<+fy260498> in other direction, a qualified Long entry would be break of 944.00 with target at 954.0009:58
<+szubaark>  Covered all Short ES at 941.25 --> 0 «« paper »» 09:59
undecided what it wants to do
<+silo> today is bank holiday?10:00
<+AustinJM> That was interesting, i saw 1100+ asks piling up at 941.75. above market. then as soon as it reached, turned into 1000+ bids below market haha
<+fy260498> not going anywhere10:02
<+AustinJM> well could do this all day, considering last week10:03
<+fy260498> real choppy clusters
<+T-stop> y, silo banks, japan, bonds closed
<+fy260498> yeah, think so
<+AustinJM> i wouldn't be surprised10:04
<+fy260498> it has to come outside the range of 936.00 to 944.00

with good volumes
<sav> late post10:05
<+sav>  Shorts NQ @ 1326.75

Covered all NQ Short @ 1323.75 --> + 3
<+szubaark>  Shorts ES @ 937 «« paper »»
<+fy260498> here it comes

retracement till 939.50 max and then going back to 935.50 emplies short10:06
<+silo> hehe szu
:)
that 6 pts bar... you caught the low :
be careful10:07
<+szubaark>  Covered all Short ES at 937 --> 0 «« paper »» 10:10
<+silo>  Shorts YM @ 8780 10:14
<+fy260498> I'd rather wait now

Its not working this way
<+silo>  Covered all YM Short @ 8820 --> - 40 10:15
<+szubaark>  Buys ES @ 941.50 «« paper »»
<+silo>  Shorts YM @ 8806 10:16
<+szubaark> extremely choppy tape10:18

tightening stop10:19

exit stop set ES @ 939 «« paper »»
<+silo>  Covered all YM Short @ 8835 --> - 29 10:20
<+szubaark> tightening stop

exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 941.50 «« paper »»

either goes or its playing games dowm here10:21

tightening stop10:22

exit stop set ES @ 942 «« paper »»
<+sav> not feeling good about today very indecisive10:23
<+szubaark> day like this is expected after such Volatility last week
<+sav> true
<+fy260498> So its holding 943.00 now10:24
<+szubaark>  Exited all Long ES at 942.25 --> + 0.75 «« paper »»
just chopping around10:25
<+AustinJM> Remember, its a federal holiday
<+szubaark> are banks closed?
<+AustinJM> Smaller ones yes
<pdays> yes
<+silo>  Long YM @ 8843 10:27
<+sav>  Long NQ @ 1333.00 10:28
Exited all NQ Long @ 1336.00 --> + 3
<+fy260498> Buyers Interest here but Low Volume still a problem

if successful - next stop at 954.50

in my opinion
<+szubaark>  Buys ES @ 952.50 «« paper »» 10:29
<+silo>  Exited 1/2 YM Long @ 8884 --> + 41

Exited Remainder YM Long @ 8886 --> + 43 10:30
<+sav> thats me done for the day not feeling comfortable so will paper trade for the rest of the day to practise10:31
<+silo>  Shorts YM @ 8894 10:32
<+fy260498> absolutely - its not a very good day
<+szubaark>  Exited all Long ES at 954.25 --> + 1.75 «« paper »» 10:33

slow, lathargic tape, i dont have the nerves for it10:34
<+pdays>  Shorts ES @ 950.25 10:37
<+silo>  Covered all YM Short @ 8915 --> - 21 10:39
<@X>  #FuturesTrades Info ->  Some members (including me) explain basic details about their trades posted in #FuturesTrades @ http://thestrategylab.com/forum/index.ph p?board=58.0 and there's a link there to take you to #FuturesTrades archived logs if you're interested in reviewing past trades or market commentary posted in #FuturesTrades.10:47
<+rickf> :(
<+szubaark> is post office open today?10:49
<+AustinJM> Its a federal holiday10:51
<+Maximus> post is not open today10:52
* +rickf closed
<+szubaark> thanks10:53
<+sav>  Long NQ @ 1346.5 «« paper »»

Exited all NQ Long @ 1345.5 --> - 1 «« paper »» 10:56

Long NQ @ 1348.00 «« paper »»

Exited all NQ Long @ 1346.75 --> - 1.25 «« paper »» 10:58
<+silo>  Long YM @ 8910 11:01
we'll most likely go test 1000 in YM
shorts are riskier until we test that number i think11:02
<+TraderG> 10,000 ??11:03
<+szubaark> hehe..1000
<+silo> yeah

:)

i'm holding my long until we hit that number

this long

or get close to it

:)

oops11:04

unvermind

it's 10000 :)

lol

but steady buying so far11:05
<+T-stop> silo, pos wedge, w/ bo potential here, imo
bush on
<+szubaark> Bot buying
<+silo>  Exited all YM Long @ 8910 --> 0 11:07
<+szubaark>  Buys ES @ 953.75 «« paper »» 11:25

tightening Stop11:28

exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 953.75 «« paper »» 11:29

Exited all Long ES at 953.75 --> 0 «« paper »»
<+rickf> just a creeper sorta morning11:30
<+szubaark>  Buys ES @ 956 «« paper »»
<+rickf> or not11:31
<+szubaark> last try, will take break after this
<+rickf> you might be ok
<+szubaark> dont like the 2-3 Point noise wiggles before we get any push11:32
<+rickf> yeah but you kinda have to give it that kind of room today
scary as it may be11:33
<+szubaark> im lowering my Profit targets due to this Price Action

tightening Stop11:34

exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 956 «« paper »»
<+rickf> could be a nice creep up11:38
<+szubaark> tightening Stop

exit stop set ES @ 956.50 «« paper »» 11:39
<+rickf> over 960 you maybe golden ... HOD is 959.5011:40
<+szubaark> yup11:41

963.50 is closest resistance I See11:43

Exited all Long ES at 957 --> + 1 «« paper »» 11:48

its not going anywhere fast
* szubaark is now known as szubaark_away
* Kalle is now known as Kalle_away11:51
<+silo>  Long YM @ 8951 11:56
* codehead_afk is now known as codehead
<+silo>  Exited all YM Long @ 8935 --> - 16 12:01
<+rickf> long 957 2512:05

out b/e12:07
<@X>  #FuturesTrades Info ->  No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission.

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<+szubaark_away> too much wiggle noise
hehhe.. Niha took today OFF as if he knew Volatility would be Low12:09
<+rickf> long es from 57.7512:13

out 62.75 +512:16

long es from 962.5012:27
<MK>  Exited all ES Long @ 965.75 --> + 86.25 «« paper »» 12:35
<+rickf> exit es 968 +5.512:51
<+MK>  Shorts ES @ 968 «« paper »»
<+szubaark_away> nice rick12:52
<+rickf> ty
<@X>  #FuturesTrades Info -> Some members (including me) explain basic details about their trades posted in #FuturesTrades @ http://thestrategylab.com/forum/index.ph p?board=58.0 and there's a link there to take you to #FuturesTrades archived logs if you're interested in reviewing past trades or market commentary posted in #FuturesTrades.12:53
<+Maximus> rick did you get your internet fixed?
or updated
<+rickf> not yet still waiting for the tech
<+Maximus> ah12:54
decided to trade though?
<+rickf> yeah i just kept stops going
<+Maximus> today is automated strategy day, so no trading for me
automated strategy dev*
i get to pour over C# all day long lol
<+rickf> heh12:55

long es 67.5013:08

out b/e13:10
<+MK> what a diff in volatility compared to Fri13:23
<+rickf> yeah13:24

fri was pleasure to trade
<+silo> long from 9014
gonna see if i can just hold on to this one for a while
steady buying every dip13:25
but i dont know if we have enough strength to go up 900 pts to test 10000 ym
:\
tricky tricky
<+MK> could be false sense of security today13:26
<+Maximus> true13:32
* szubaark_away is now known as szubaark13:38
<+szubaark>  Shorts ES @ 967.25 «« paper »»
<AndyP> nice short szu13:43
<+szubaark> we'll see..waited almost 2 hours for a setup13:44
Weak Support area13:47
tightening Stop
exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 967.25 «« paper »»
Covered all Short ES at 967.25 --> 0 «« paper »» 13:48
:(
frustrating day
they keep coming back for Entries, and they can do that on such low volume crap day13:49
<+T-stop> ge, jpm leading the charge lower, can't imagine much selling today, but who knows13:50
* +rickf shot 65.25
<+szubaark>  Shorts ES @ 963.75 «« paper »»
<+T-stop> agree szu, holiday trade+13:53
<+szubaark>  Covered all Short ES at 963.75 --> 0 «« paper »»

i thought PM session would be better, but its same13:54
<+T-stop> may be loading a few shorts to fuel up into close13:55
<+rickf> out 6313:56

+2.2513:57
<+T-stop> nice rick
<+rickf> thx

short from 63.5013:58
<+T-stop> can anyone imagine a red close, lol...no chance14:00
<+rickf> out 61.2514:01

bak in a bit14:02
<+Maximus> anything can happen14:04
if it were a red close.. game over
<+T-stop> lol

need to break that +500 emotional lvl to get any traction to dwn side14:09

sm sup in here14:10
<traderguy> hi all14:13
<+T-stop> hey
<+traderguy> is there sound in this room?14:14
<+T-stop> n14:16
<+traderguy> thx14:17
<+szubaark>  Buys ES @ 961.50 «« paper »» 14:20

Exited all Long ES at 959.75 --> - 1.75 «« paper »» 14:21

Shorts ES @ 959.75 «« paper »»

exit stop set ES @ 961.50 «« paper »» 14:23

Covered all Short ES at 961.50 --> - 1.75 «« paper »» 14:24

:((

Shorts ES @ 958.75 «« paper »»
<+T-stop> they don't dump this lvl, those few shorts gonna cry wolf14:25
gotta break this t line for lower14:26
nice szu14:29
<+szubaark> picking up some volume to downside
* Tintin : hi all14:34
<+szubaark>  exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 958.75 «« paper »» 14:35

geezz.. they keep coming back for my entries14:36
<+T-stop> "possible illiquid and volitile moves in final hour"..lol, art cashin
<+szubaark>  Covered all Short ES at 958.75 --> 0 «« paper »»

Buys ES @ 959.25 «« paper »» 14:37

tightening stop14:41

exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 959.25 «« paper »»

hi werner14:42
<werner> hi szu
<+szubaark>  Exited all Long ES at 964.50 --> + 5.25 «« paper »» 14:46
<+werner> nice szu14:47
<+szubaark> thnx

cnbc must be cheerleading this rally.. bob pisane wearing pompoms14:51
<+werner> lol14:52
<+T-stop> bunch of yoyo's
<@X>  #FuturesTrades Info ->  Some members (including me) explain basic details about their trades posted in #FuturesTrades @ http://thestrategylab.com/forum/index.ph p?board=58.0 and there's a link there to take you to #FuturesTrades archived logs if you're interested in reviewing past trades or market commentary posted in #FuturesTrades.14:56
<+szubaark>  Buys ES @ 966.25 «« paper »»

exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 966.25 «« paper »» 14:57

new highs..looks strong14:58
<+rickf> bal15:01
long from 71.50
<+szubaark>  Exited all Long ES at 973 --> + 6.75 «« paper »» 15:04
<+Maximus> nice rick15:07
my automated system caught it at 967.25
and still long
<+T-stop> nice, max15:08
<+rickf> out 78
<+Maximus> vn rick
<+rickf> thx max
<+T-stop> y, wtg rick15:09
<+rickf> thx all
<+Maximus> perhaps really strong rally into the close.. we'll see.. or some long covering around 330 ish15:10
<+rickf> long es 77.2515:21
<+ItalianSharp> nice trend day today15:24
<+Maximus> yes
<+ItalianSharp> if we close strong, it'll be one of the biggest rallies in history

from friday low to today's high
<+T-stop> Hey Italian
<+ItalianSharp> FYI: friday is options expiration day

you know what that means?
<+Maximus> dow +70015:25
<+ItalianSharp> that all those who got stuck in puts or sold calls, are going to cover

we could have a massive rally all week
<+szubaark> heheh...good one italian.the game never ends
<+Maximus> true

i picked up some options earlier

but there is alawys pin risk as we get closer to expiry

so interesting to where that will settle15:26
<+ItalianSharp> yes, this week will set the tone for the coming weeks, months IMO
<+Maximus> HUGE open interest in the SPY 100's

so most likely a pin around there, or higher

also in the 110 SPY

129k spy puts15:27

sheesh

103k spy calls

may retest 1000 es if we really heat up15:28
<+rickf> out 82.25 +515:29
<+szubaark> nice rick
<+rickf> ty zau
<+Maximus> the system's still long since 67.25
<+szubaark> Overnight will be intresting
<+rickf> szu

long 82.5015:34

out 985.50 +315:36

long es 98615:38
<+Maximus> out es (system) @ 989.00 + 30.7515:41
sheesh
<+T-stop> geez, that real15:42

or paper
<@X>  #FuturesTrades Info ->  No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission.

More info at http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm   

 
<+Maximus> paper* for the system
im authoring an auto strategy
<+T-stop> nice

kool
<+Maximus> just forward testing
<+rickf> out 987 +115:43

:(
<+T-stop> no reason to fight this tape
<+Maximus> looks like it got me out right near the top
<+rickf> what are you basing your entries/exits on max?15:44
<+Maximus> a visual volume/tape entry exit

looking at buying and selling %'s per bar
<+rickf> cool15:45
<+Maximus> reaches an extreme one way or the other, triggers long/short

still a bit to go, kinda buggy ATM
<+rickf> long es 98915:47
<+szubaark> ES +100 amazing
<+rickf> out 989.50 +.5015:48
systems or auto-trade stuff kinda scares me
<+szubaark> yes rick, its like trying to Program Human emotions (GREED and FEAR)15:49
<+rickf> long es 9215:50
<+szubaark> we'll see 1000 ES today? LOL
<+silo> u serious?
what's ym's price
sorry i'm not trading and dont have platform up
<+szubaark> 925015:51
<+codehead> +805 dow
<+szubaark> AMAZING Slow,controlled, "rally"
<+Maximus> yeah system trading is a long journey15:52
its nothing something you make, set and forget
you need to constantly adjust it, monitor it, etec
etc*
lock limit up dow?
but i think last hour doesnt go itno effect15:53
remember this is light volume and holiday15:54
<+T-stop> zactly max15:55

zackly also
<+szubaark> here we go ES 1000
<+Maximus> incoming ES 1000 test

watch that tape15:56
<+werner> wow
<+Maximus> hasnt printed yet

there it is

dow nearing +90015:57
<dragon310> wow freaking tape going crazy
<+rickf> out 1002 +1015:58
<+Maximus> tons of big orders in
on the offer
might hit 1000+ on dow
<+rickf> this is in-effing-sane
<+Maximus> for headline sakes
history guys
<+rickf> up 13% ES, 13% YM
<+szubaark> there has to be lots of Stops getting hit now from Shorts15:59
<+rickf> geez the vix DOWN 14
<+szubaark> people that are holding Shorts from Top Wont be sleeping tonight
<+dragon310> short squeezzzzz too
<+rickf> yeah
<+Maximus> pushing for dow 1000+16:00
<+rickf> ding ding
<+szubaark> folks, we are watching HISTORY in the making
<+Maximus> gotta wait for the trades to settle up.. might be +1000
<+rickf> szu - indeed we are
<+szubaark> There has NEVER been such a HUGE UP day before in History of this Makret
<+rickf> look @ this ... JohnsonJohnson, up almost SEVEN16:01

that's unheard of
<+Maximus> big day16:02
alright guys take care, hope you all did very well to the long side
<+rickf> yeah - i am happy....i was down on the morning but came back strong

you too
<+szubaark> nice work rick..im also happy to be PLUS16:03
<+rickf> excellent!

only sad to say i wont be around to trade the rest of the week :(16:04
<+szubaark> Why?16:05
<+rickf> teaching rest of the week

ok guys out for the day - good trading, good luck this week, see you soon!16:16
<+werner> gn all
<+szubaark> bye
<+werner> bye szu
  
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Treasury Futures T-Notes ZN, ZF and T-Bonds ZB

Forex Currencies EurUsd, EurYen and UsdCdn

Exchange Traded Funds DIA, IWM, QQQQ, SPY, OIH, XLE and GLD  

NYMEX Energies Light Crude Oil CL, e-miNY QM and Natural Gas NG

COMEX Metals Gold GC and ZG

Hang Seng Index Futures HSI

Last of all, if you have any questions about any of the above commentary, specific trades et cetera...

Don't hesitate to ask your questions and we'll reply back as soon as possible.

Sincerely,

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