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| Session Start: Fri Oct 12 09:30:42 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades |
* Now | talking in #futurestrades | 09:30 |
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<Dmi76> | gm all | 09:31 |
<NihabaAshi> | Good morning all. | 09:32 |
| Although the markets was very intense in its sell-off yesterday... |
<szubaark> | Shorts ES @ 1565.25 «« paper »» | 09:33 |
<NihabaAshi> | I don't see any "panic". |
<base> | GM all |
<NihabaAshi> | Simply, I expect to see some decent counter-thrusts today even if the markets close down for the day. |
<szubaark> | exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1567 «« paper »» | 09:35 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1464.25 | 09:37 |
<szubaark> | exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1565.25 «« paper »» | 09:38 |
| Covered 1/2 Short ES at 1564 --> + 1.25 «« paper »» |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 841.5 «« paper »» | 09:39 |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1565.25 --> 0 «« paper »» | 09:40 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 843.20 -> medium size |
| Had some entry problems on that :( | 09:41 |
<les> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 843.3 --> + 1.8 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1566.75 --> + 102.5 |
| oops.. |
| k |
| Long ES @ 1564.25 | 09:42 |
| Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1566.75 --> + 2.5 |
| sounds abt right |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 844 «« paper »» |
<Tim_a1> | vn, e |
<eminitrader> | thx T |
<szubaark> | yup good one | 09:43 |
<eminitrader> | thx szu |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited 3/4 ER2 Long @ 844.70 --> + 1.5 | 09:45 |
<eminitrader> | Exited ES Long @ 1567.25 --> + 3 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1567.25 |
<intowin> | nice longs guys |
<Brutus> | yep vn | 09:46 |
<eminitrader> | thin i was in a bit early...see some more room to the upside |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 843.40 --> + 0.2 |
<intowin> | yeah E I am looking for a short entry |
<eminitrader> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1565.75 --> + 1.5 |
| think we better wait itw...see more upside | 09:47 |
<pat255> | gm all |
<eminitrader> | but again we never know :)) |
<les> | i'm way nehiond here | 09:48 |
| behind |
<eminitrader> | charts u mean |
<les> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 843.5 --> - 0.5 «« paper »» |
<intowin> | yeah my charts are lagging to |
<les> | no - i got stopped out while i was changing my chrt interval | 09:49 |
| actually had a signal to reverse there and missed it |
<eminitrader> | Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1566.25 --> + 1 |
<les> | which pisses me off no end |
| Long ER2 @ 844.3 «« paper »» | 09:51 |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1566.25 | 09:54 |
<Tim_a1> | nice evening star 5 minute es | 09:55 |
<eminitrader> | Covered all ES Short @ 1566.75 --> - 0.5 |
<Tim_a1> | evening star with a very breif night | 09:56 |
<intowin> | 74 75 area would be a good short imo | 09:57 |
<szubaark> | Buys ES @ 1567.25 «« paper »» |
<NihabaAshi> | Eurex DAX is range bound | 09:58 |
<Brutus> | 1000/1400 Oct Reuters/Univ Mich Index, prelim |
| Sentiment Index, end-month 83.4 |
| Sentiment Index, mid-month 84.2 83.8 |
| 1000/1400 Aug Business Inventories |
| Total Inventories +0.3% +0.5% |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1567 |
<les> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 844.3 --> 0 «« paper »» | 10:00 |
<pdays> | Mich confi 82 est 84 |
<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1565.25 --> - 2 «« paper »» | 10:01 |
| Shorts ES @ 1565.25 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1564.75 --> + 2.25 | 10:02 |
<les> | Shorts ER2 @ 842.4 «« paper »» | 10:04 |
<eminitrader> | Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1566 --> + 1 |
| have a good one guys.. | 10:05 |
<Tim_a1> | thants for coming, e |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1568 --> - 2.75 «« paper »» | 10:06 |
| Buys ES @ 1568 «« paper »» |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 844.40 -> small size | 10:07 |
<les> | Covered ER2 Short @ 844.2 --> - 1.8 «« paper »» | 10:09 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 844.2 «« paper »» |
<pat255> | dull mkt dont S it lol | 10:12 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 845.50 --> + 1.1 |
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<les> | Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 845.4 --> + 1.2 «« paper »» | 10:14 |
| Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 845.7 --> + 1.5 «« paper »» | 10:15 |
<intowin> | approaching short zone | 10:16 |
<les> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 845.3 --> + 1.1 «« paper »» | 10:19 |
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<les> | Long ER2 @ 845.4 «« paper »» | 10:23 |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 844.9 --> - 0.5 «« paper »» | 10:27 |
<szubaark> | lots of shakes in this congestion area before next move. | 10:29 |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 845.8 «« paper »» |
| shouldnt have got out | 10:30 |
| now gotta worse entry :( |
<szubaark> | les.. i got shook on my earlier two trades after the 10am release. |
<intowin> | this up just does not feel right.. I think they are setting us uup | 10:31 |
<Nesi> | short ER 845.60 , LATE post |
<szubaark> | i did Reversal on my original entry only to see them take it up on a nesty candle |
| Exited 1/2 Long ES at 1569.25 --> + 1.25 «« paper »» | 10:32 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 845.50 -> small size | 10:34 |
<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1568.75 --> + 0.75 «« paper »» | 10:35 |
| Shorts ES @ 1568.75 «« paper »» |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 845.00 --> + 0.5 | 10:38 |
| Although I have three winners today and zero losers... | 10:39 |
| Not happy with my trading (late entries and poor trade management after entry). |
<les> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 845.2 --> - 0.6 «« paper »» |
<szubaark> | Nice trading Niha. |
<intowin> | black always better than red | 10:40 |
<pat255> | :) sure |
<NihabaAshi> | On that note...I'm taking a break to regain my perspective to prevent a big loss that's usually "pending" after poor trading. |
| Be back later. |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away | 10:41 |
<les> | i agree w niha |
<pdays> | Shorts ER2 @ 845.2 |
<les> | good time for a break - same reasons in my case :(( | 10:42 |
* les | is now known as lesAway |
<pdays> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 844.9 --> + 0.3 |
<Nesi> | cover from 845.60 at 843.60 | 10:54 |
<lesAway> | Long ER2 @ 846.5 «« paper »» | 11:03 |
* lesAway | is now known as les |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 847 -> Add «« paper »» | 11:06 |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1571 --> - 2.25 «« paper »» |
| :( |
| Buys ES @ 1571 «« paper »» |
| chasing, getting shitty entries all day Long | 11:10 |
<Tim_a1> | chasing kills | 11:11 |
<intowin> | 90% of the time I find the market will come to me if I am patient. I do not chase |
<Tim_a1> | there's always a better trade in the future |
<Brutus> | so far it looks like one of those days that recovers most of the prior days loss | 11:16 |
<les> | Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 848.7 --> + 1.7 «« paper »» | 11:25 |
<Brutus> | WTG Les |
<les> | thx :) |
<Brutus> | Dax at BE so no effect from yesterday | 11:27 |
* NihabaAshi_away | is now known as NihabaAshi | 11:29 |
<NihabaAshi> | A lot of resistance up here up to the 850.50 price | 11:39 |
<Nesi> | short ER 848.40 | 11:43 |
<les> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 847.8 --> + 1.3 «« paper »» |
<intowin> | may fail in this area | 11:55 |
<Nesi> | ER quote please | 12:04 |
<intowin> | 47.10 |
<Nesi> | thx |
<intowin> | and about to fall |
<Nesi> | thx |
<les> | hope u right - i'm short :) |
<Nesi> | me too..i am down right now | 12:05 |
<les> | Shorts ER2 @ 847.2 «« paper »» |
<intowin> | if I am wrong a hod stop on my short will be a small stop |
<Brutus> | 10/12/2007 12:03 *DJ OIL FUTURES: Nymex Crude Hits Intraday Record $83.94 | 12:07 |
* codehead_afk | is now known as codehead | 12:10 |
<Nesi> | sorry again, ER quote please | 12:19 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 846.70 -> small size |
<les> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 847.3 --> - 0.1 «« paper »» | 12:20 |
<intowin> | short ES @ 1572 | 12:21 |
| tight stop |
| 1pt |
<Brutus> | GL feels more like lunch time consilidation | 12:22 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 848.40 --> + 1.7 | 12:23 |
<intowin> | Covered all ES Short @ 1573 --> - 1 |
| NICE |
<Brutus> | quick and painless.... move on :) |
<NihabaAshi> | No chasing (late entries) the price this time :) | 12:24 |
<intowin> | YEP | 12:25 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 848.00 --> + 1.3 | 12:27 |
<Brutus> | 10/12/2007 12:27 DJ OIL FUTURES: Nymex Crude Hits Record $84 On Supply Concerns |
<intowin> | the good ol days that report would kill the market | 12:28 |
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<Brutus> | HOw long have you been trading futures IT |
<intowin> | 6yrs but it is part time. | 12:29 |
| I own another business that I wont give up |
<Brutus> | ok ic |
| Long ER2 @ 846.1 «« paper »» | 12:32 |
| 36tt6 trade |
| lotto trade |
<Nesi> | pressure coming in | 12:33 |
| 843.5 next area...imho |
<Brutus> | Exited ER2 Long @ 846.2 --> + 0.1 «« paper »» |
| 10/12/2007 12:35 DJ ECB Weber: Hasty Regulatory Changes Should Be Avoided | 12:36 |
<les> | Shorts ER2 @ 846.1 «« paper »» | 12:37 |
<Brutus> | Shorts ER2 @ 848.4 «« paper »» | 12:48 |
| 2 tick stop | 12:50 |
<szubaark> | came back hour later and Price still at my entry :) |
<intowin> | we are due for a move szu.. I stil think down however | 12:51 |
<Brutus> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 847.9 --> + 0.5 «« paper »» |
<szubaark> | so far HL, HH |
<ItalianSharp> | NQ doesnt wanna give up though |
| if NQ breaks down...we may see some heavy selling like yesterday | 12:52 |
<intowin> | tech today you are correct.. that beating yesterday however, I dont think people want long |
<ItalianSharp> | NQ has been the market leader lately |
<intowin> | which ever way we break out should be the continued move to pm session | 12:53 |
<Brutus> | Covered ER2 Short @ 848.4 --> 0 «« paper »» | 12:54 |
<pat255> | amazing mkt ..bulls dot give in .. | 12:55 |
| all dips are bought. |
<intowin> | short ES @ 1572.75 |
| one last try |
<szubaark> | yeah but we not going up in ahurry, its slow, controlled, upcreep |
<les> | Covered ER2 Short @ 848.1 --> - 2 «« paper »» | 12:56 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 848.1 «« paper »» |
<Brutus> | cant see any weakness |
<intowin> | thats because none is there. MY opinion today is only a gut feel |
<Brutus> | k mine is from the tape | 12:57 |
<intowin> | lol |
<les> | http://www.carlin.karoo.net/Charts/pic.p ng | 13:01 |
| that makt delta chart shows buildup of buying in 49 area |
| msybe failed attempt to break, or just building long positions here | 13:02 |
<intowin> | 1569.50 is key. If that breaks its down we go |
<NihabaAshi> | [11:39] <NihabaAshi> A lot of resistance up here up to the 850.50 price area. |
| It's recent attempt was its second failed attempt to get above that 850.50 price area. | 13:03 |
<les> | there's some buyer commitment just below it tho... as the MD chart shows |
| brkout will dpend if others join in or not |
| obviously some folk think they will |
<pat255> | nice chart les | 13:04 |
<les> | :) |
<intowin> | Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1570.75 --> + 2 | 13:05 |
<pat255> | vn | 13:06 |
<intowin> | just enough to pay for the stop I have |
<les> | Exited ER2 Long @ 847.3 --> - 0.8 «« paper »» | 13:07 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 847.3 «« paper »» |
| i'm done after this trade |
<ItalianSharp> | i just read the bernanke gave a speech this morning |
| does anyone know what time that happened? |
<les> | did you get the part where he said he was watching my trades and was out t get me? | 13:08 |
<ItalianSharp> | lol | 13:09 |
| i thought I heard my name but not yours Les |
<les> | nah |
| he's planned this for a long time |
| some people think i'm paranoid |
| but the people in the mothership told me not to bother with them | 13:10 |
<intowin> | 69.50 gone |
| hi ho hi ho |
<ItalianSharp> | are we going for another selloff? continuation of yesterday? |
<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1569 --> - 2 «« paper »» | 13:11 |
| geez... |
| Shorts ES @ 1569 «« paper »» |
| we just need followthru, no more bounces! | 13:12 |
<les> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 846.5 --> + 0.8 «« paper »» | 13:13 |
| 45.6 area has been tough to break through all day | 13:14 |
| this selling hasnt enough momentum for that yet | 13:16 |
| getting there tho :) |
<intowin> | Covered 2/3 ES Short @ 1568.75 --> + 4 | 13:17 |
| holding rest for tenner |
<les> | 45.6 cracked | 13:18 |
| there goes the neighbourhod |
<intowin> | : ) |
| sometimes you just cant trust that tape |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 845.00 -> medium size |
<intowin> | B/E Stop | 13:19 |
<NihabaAshi> | Hammer line trying to form :( |
<les> | Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 844.6 --> + 2.7 «« paper »» | 13:20 |
* sticks | is now known as sticks_awy | 13:21 |
<les> | breaktime..back later |
* les | is now known as lesAway |
<Brutus> | no point in being cocky if you want to foster any inteligent discussion | 13:22 |
<intowin> | Didnt mean to rial your cage B. SOrry bout that. Just enjoying a good trade |
<Brutus> | k, its a work in progress, home brew indicators and indicated some weakness at 13:03 but dificult to tell inside a chop zone | 13:24 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 3/4 ER2 Short @ 844.00 --> + 1 | 13:26 |
| Old song - "Another one bites the dust...hey hey...another one bites the dust.." Hammer line bites the dust |
<ItalianSharp> | lol |
| too bad I can't participate to this nice volatility party due to my broker's platform having had problems all day...:) | 13:28 |
| :(( |
| i am lucky enough to have exceeded my pt for the day so i'll just watch you guys demolish the eminis | 13:29 |
<Tim_a1> | which broker, is? |
<ItalianSharp> | infinity futures |
<Tim_a1> | what do they charge round trip for es & ym? | 13:30 |
<ItalianSharp> | it depends on what platform you use | 13:31 |
| from 4.50 to as much as 6.50 |
<Tim_a1> | interactivebrokers is about $4.50 for each |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 844.60 --> + 0.4 | 13:32 |
<ItalianSharp> | i know there are brokers who charge a lot less...however i almost shitted my pants last summer when velocity futures - my broker at the time - was one of the victims of the sentinel scandal... | 13:34 |
| i feared my funds might be in jeopardy |
| so i prefer to stay with infinity...my money is deposited thru RCG |
<NihabaAshi> | When the kids gets a little older (when I have more free time and less stressful trading)...I plan to 3x - 5x my position size and increase my trade frequency... |
<NihabaAshi> | That's when I'll get a CME seat. | 13:35 |
<intowin> | stops in place be back later |
<Brutus> | Long ER2 @ 846.1 «« paper »» | 14:13 |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 845.4 --> - 0.7 «« paper »» | 14:15 |
<Tim_a1> | stubborn pa |
<Brutus> | yep looks long :( | 14:17 |
<Tim_a1> | gotta feeling spike coming | 14:18 |
| no idea which way |
| . | 14:25 |
<ItalianSharp> | looks like markets want up |
<Brutus> | be a big move if ES make a new HOD | 14:26 |
<ItalianSharp> | i am staring to have the feelign we wont get any major move until next week...mkts had a chance to collapse again...but didnt...then had a chance to make new high, but only NQ did | 14:27 |
| so we are stuck in the infamous chop |
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* lesAway | is now known as les | 14:33 |
<Brutus> | 10/12/2007 14:31 *DJ OIL FUTURES: Nymex Crude Closes At Record $83.75, Up 65c |
<ItalianSharp> | here we go...new highs very soon | 14:37 |
| NQ is amazing how bullish it is | 14:38 |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 847.2 «« paper »» | 14:40 |
<Brutus> | Like a big ascending triangle on the 15m | 14:41 |
| over 2 days | 14:42 |
<les> | Exited ER2 Long @ 846.9 --> - 0.3 «« paper »» |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 846.9 «« paper »» |
<Nesi> | short ER 846.7 | 14:43 |
<ItalianSharp> | les, what made you reverse if you dont me asking? |
<les> | lemme finish the trade |
| i jus got a high probability short signal... in short :)) | 14:46 |
<ItalianSharp> | lol |
| thanks |
<Nesi> | my feel we will see 843 area at close...imho |
<szubaark> | Covered all Short ES at 1571 --> - 2 «« paper »» | 14:48 |
* szubaark | is now known as szubaark_away | 14:49 |
<szubaark_away> | I suck in Chop. |
<les> | trouble with my signal is.. |
<Tim_a1> | me 2 |
<les> | it predicts a move through this stuff below.. |
| and i'm just not that convinced by the price action |
<Tim_a1> | it sucks you in, moves against, and holds you in hell | 14:50 |
<ItalianSharp> | i think no system works well in chop |
<Nesi> | sometimes intuition works...imo |
<les> | but a signal is a signal.... |
<Nesi> | more than indicators |
<ItalianSharp> | unless you fade teh extremes |
| problem is...teh moment you start fading extremes...they become more extreme...:) |
<Tim_a1> | like playing rock paper sissors with someone who cheats |
<les> | this etup occurred above this chop area, but led to an entry too near to it :( | 14:51 |
| setup |
<szubaark_away> | to make money today, I would have to know its gonna be a 3 channel Chop zone in ES, otherwise im just gambling |
<ItalianSharp> | i am starting to yawn...this thing is boring...gonna take a break | 14:52 |
* ItalianSharp | is now known as ItalianSharp_away |
<szubaark_away> | I entered on extremes only to see it snap back 1-2 points opposite my direction.. | 14:53 |
| you never know what they gonna throw at you, fast or slow action. Thats what SUCKS about this market. |
<les> | i know what will happen... |
| i'll exit after it goes nowhere for a while.. |
| then it'll plunge | 14:54 |
| but if i stay in... |
| big rise for sure |
<Guest35179> | maybe we'll have a repeat of yesterday afternoon |
<les> | maybe too many people are being programmed by that | 14:55 |
| today |
<Brutus> | I see yesterday as a massive move to get the stops, today they are going to wait till the last half hr and drive it up hard to leave retail longs stranded, just a silly prediction :) | 14:58 |
<Nesi> | ER feels vulnerable here..imho |
| proving me wrong so far.. but something does not feel right to me to go long | 15:01 |
<les> | been like that all damn day | 15:02 |
<Nesi> | now looks better |
| i would like to see momo faster now |
<les> | so u n me r right :) |
| Covered all ER2 Short @ 845.3 --> + 1.6 «« paper »» | 15:03 |
<Tim_a1> | they seem to know exactly how much you can stand |
<les> | grab it while u can :) |
<GoodMood> | who is "they" ? |
<Tim_a1> | whoever it is that has the most sway over the pa | 15:04 |
<GoodMood> | we all are "they", arn't we ? |
<Tim_a1> | as much as all fish in a pond are fish, but there are different size classes | 15:05 |
<Nesi> | feels to me next area around 842.5.. imho | 15:06 |
<Tim_a1> | some are minnows, others are muskies |
<Brutus> | stop drive | 15:09 |
<GoodMood> | and is the market really "moved" by those big playsers, I mean do they help each other and behave like a soccer team ? | 15:10 |
<les> | no - they compete with eadch other all the time methinks | 15:11 |
| and with us |
| mostly i believe we r too small for them to bother with |
<Brutus> | no I believe the biggest fish work together | 15:12 |
<les> | agree.. maybe some do sometimes |
<Brutus> | or in other words they know each others or the markets moves |
<les> | if u were trading for a large fund, u'd also have your charts running, trying to predict what the other big guys r up to |
| thats my take on it |
<Brutus> | the obective is transfer of wealth from us to them | 15:13 |
<les> | also i guess u'd watch ecnomic factors, news government announcments |
<Brutus> | an that occure on maximum volatility | 15:14 |
<Tim_a1> | yesterday's downdraft midpoint pivot is today's magnet |
<les> | also - they play with much bigger money, so can afford to ride out wrong decisions more easily |
<Brutus> | while if they worked against each other it would create more chop |
<Tim_a1> | they also have enough capital to engineer 'fakes' | 15:15 |
<Brutus> | Obective is the maximise the moves along the path of least resistance |
<Tim_a1> | but to their disadvantage, the cant get in or out at one price |
<Brutus> | yeah fakes allow loading at the best prices and to ensure retail is last on board |
<les> | agree Tim... but i think that some players may tthrow out a few bucks to test direction.. | 15:16 |
| see if any more climb on board |
| if not they prob exit or reverse |
<Tim_a1> | i've started to look at 'volume dojies' for price pivots |
<les> | aslo, lotta them are not day tradeers anyway | 15:17 |
<Nesi> | if ER goes around 844.50 area..my risky feel we dive to 840 magnet |
| imo |
<les> | so u may get exits and entries that relate to larger timeframes and misinterpret them to relate to intraday action |
<Nesi> | and i know i am being biased..and forming an opinion its not a good thing | 15:18 |
<les> | oh i dunno ...its nice to speculate now & again :) |
| dont base my trade decisions on it | 15:19 |
<Guest35179> | short 845.3 | 15:23 |
<Nesi> | come on , drill 844.50..please | 15:26 |
| here we go |
<les> | Shorts ER2 @ 844.3 «« paper »» | 15:27 |
| late friday selloff? |
<Guest35179> | out 844.4 +.9 | 15:28 |
<les> | please do |
<Nesi> | feels so to me, les |
<Brutus> | about what I said on the big players, I watched one prior nasdaq market maker now NQ trader who swings 100 conracts get most of the swings in a day, amazing accuracy |
<Guest35179> | short 844.9 | 15:29 |
| out 845.3 -.4 | 15:31 |
<Nesi> | good stop, guest |
<Guest35179> | 845.3 short | 15:32 |
<GoodMood> | Brutus: does he follow a mechanical system ? | 15:33 |
<intowin> | back... stop was taken at b/e |
| Covered all ES Short @ 1572.75 --> 0 |
<Brutus> | whish he would tell me:) price moves in channels was the most I got | 15:34 |
<Nesi> | short ER 845.50 |
| with hard stop 846.50 |
<GoodMood> | thx |
<Brutus> | I think he has some complex stuff to time the entries but was trying to guide us into learning the basics | 15:36 |
<Guest35179> | out 845.6 -.3 | 15:37 |
<intowin> | just chop gonna run. Have a good weekend. | 15:39 |
<les> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 845.4 --> - 1.1 «« paper »» |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 846.10 -> small size | 15:40 |
<les> | sorry, late post |
| done for this week |
| cya ll monday |
<NihabaAshi> | I have a lot of support on this Long but its not responding for some odd reason. | 15:43 |
<Nesi> | i moved my stop hard at 846 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 845.20 -> Add | 15:44 |
<Brutus> | only 15 mins to thhe closing spike:) |
<NihabaAshi> | support is still there...only reason why I added. |
<Nesi> | i cover from 845.50 at 844.70 | 15:49 |
| darn | 15:50 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 844.00 --> - 3.3 |
<Brutus> | ER suddenly has a mind of its own |
<NihabaAshi> | It's trying for a Hammer line now | 15:51 |
<Nesi> | short ER 844.40 |
| with hard stop 845 |
<Guest35179> | long 844.5 | 15:52 |
<Nesi> | stopped out |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 844.70 -> medium size |
<Guest35179> | out 845 +.5 | 15:53 |
<NihabaAshi> | That support is still there...only reason why I re-enter my Long. |
| :( |
<Nesi> | u going to get your 846 Niha :) | 15:54 |
| one more push, please | 15:55 |
<NihabaAshi> | That infamous 4pm est price action is around the corner. | 15:57 |
| Deciding right now if I should dump my trade prior to it... |
<Brutus> | YM NQ near HOD |
<NihabaAshi> | tight stop now | 15:58 |
<Nesi> | 846 | 16:00 |
| very nice |
| have a great weekend guys |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited 3/4 ER2 Long @ 846.30 --> + 1.6 |
<Nesi> | vn |
<NihabaAshi> | That makes it a profit between these last two Long positions :) | 16:01 |
<Brutus> | told ya they going to leave retail stranded come Monday |
<NihabaAshi> | Only because I nailed it on the increase in position size... |
| Regardless still a nice profitable day even if I had taken another loss on the Long. | 16:02 |
<Brutus> | ============ U.S. MARKETS ACTION =========== |
| DJIA up 55.85 points to 14072.72 |
| NASDAQ up 26.75 points to 2798.62 |
| S&P 500 up 4.58 points to 1558.99 |
| 10-year T-note down 15/32 at 100 13/32 yield 4.694 |
| NYMEX Spot Crude up $0.61 at $83.69/bbl at close |
| Dollar/Euro down 0.0022 at 1.4177 |
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<NihabaAshi> | It doesn't look like I'm going to get a fill on my remainder... | 16:05 |
| Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 847.00 --> + 2.3 | 16:06 |
| Nice way to close the week of trading. | 16:08 |
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<Brutus> | Good one |
| see ya all next week |
<NihabaAshi> | That last spurt upwards by Gold kepted me in the trade a few minutes before 4pm est. |
| Take care all and have a good/safe weekend. | 16:09 |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away |
<werner> | gn all | 16:29 |
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