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#FuturesTrades September 27th Wednesday 2006 Trade Log

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Further, you'll find below the chat room time stamped text log of realtime trades (real money and simulator) that were posted by full-time, part-time traders from around the world and the timestamp is eastern standard time (est). 

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I read somewhere (can't remember where) that our minds is more efficient at multitasking when our eye movements do the tasks via either left to right (right to left) in comparison to up to down (down to up).

I experimented today with up to down (down to up) and it was not efficient trading and there was a delay in my trade reversal reaction to volatility price action spikes on my charts...delays I normally do not have when analyzing what's on my monitors with eye movements left to right (right to left).

I'm also suggesting that our monitors (workspace) or our computer desk layout will have an impact on our trading results if such causes lag in your trade decisions.

If I sound ridiculous, try it...go ahead and change your workstation to a layout you do not like nor feel comfortable with.

Next...trade with your money on the line via that new workspace that's uncomfortable.

You'll understand the importance of what I'm saying and/or determine its a risk your unwilling to take especially with your hard earned money on the line as an experiment.

With that said...I received some sad news today (personal) and most likely will be take some personal time away from the market to be with relatives in another country.

Today's results (real money and simulator trading) shown above are that of NihabaAshi only. To see his total accumulated points for the month of September...click here. To see results for the months of 2006 and prior years...click here.

Commentary by M.A. Perry (a.k.a. NihabaAshi)  
intradaystrategies@yahoo.com

Note: Each month there are a few trading days that we consider to involve interconnecting key price action of different markets and such is represented by a particular type of price action from one of the key markets. You can view the charts and their clues that's associated with the key price action at our key market archives.

  

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Session Start: Wed Sep 27 09:14:51 2006Session Ident: #futurestrades
* Now talking in #futurestrades09:14
<X> [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm
<NihabaAshi> Good morning all.09:18
<asuni> gm all09:19
<pat255> gm niha asuni & others
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<Chilly> gm folks
<PapaJon> g, a;;09:25
gm all
* lesAway is now known as les
<eminitrader> morn niha,asuni,pat,chilly,pj ll09:27
<pat255> gm emini
<eminitrader> morn pat
<silo1> sup fellas09:28
<pat255>  US Aug durable goods come in at -.05% vs. exp 0.5% and prior -2.4%; Core ex transport durables are -2.0% vs. exp 0.5% and prior 0.5%
<eminitrader> seen the move...looks like some good am set-ups for us
<NihabaAshi> We got key market events today at 10am, 1030am and 1pm est.09:29
<les> whats at 1pm?09:30
<NihabaAshi> Its a FED speech around 1pm est (could be 1:15pm est).09:31
<PapaJon> hmmf... not listed09:32
<asuni> i have it but at 845pm
<PapaJon> must be from niha's inside source
<asuni> 0845pm east
<eminitrader>  Shorts ES @ 1245.75 09:34
<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 733.30 -> small size 09:35
2 contracts only
Shorts ER2 @ 734.30 -> Add 09:36
<jperl> TotalMarket mixed on the open....09:37

http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-09-27/JP ERL_014.png
<NihabaAshi>  Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 732.80 --> + 1.5 09:39
  
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<bykasif>  Shorts ER2 @ 733 paper
<yo> gm all
<les> nice call niha
<NihabaAshi> Still stuck in my remainders.09:40
<bykasif>  Covered all ER2 Short @ 734 --> - 1 paper 09:42
<NihabaAshi> Not sure if I want to be in this trade as time nears 10am
<bykasif>  Long ER2 @ 734 paper 09:43

Exited all ER2 Long @ 735.5 --> + 1.5 paper 09:44
<szubaark>  Buys NQ @ 1676.25
<NihabaAshi>  Covered ER2 Short @ 735.50 --> - 2.2

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 735.50
<eminitrader>  Covered ES Short @ 1346.75 --> - 101 09:45
Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1346.75
Exited 2/3 ES Long @ 1328.25 --> - 18.5 09:46
<NihabaAshi>  Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 737.40 --> + 1.9 09:47
<eminitrader>  Exited 2/3 ES Long @ 1348.25 --> + 1.5
ignore prev post
<szubaark>  Exited all Long NQ at 1678 --> + 1.75
<les> yeah, em, i figured :)
<eminitrader> :)
<les> -18.5 isnt quite yr style
<eminitrader> would close shop les09:48
<les> hehe
<eminitrader>  Exited ES Long @ 1347.25 --> + 0.5 09:49

Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1347.25

Covered all ES Short @ 1347.25 --> 0 09:52
<szubaark> emini candles are real jumpy when forming..spooking me out also09:54
<eminitrader> best to wait till it settles down szu

we got all day ..why be in a rush09:55
<les>  <szubaark> emini candles are real jumpy ...its not his fault szu
<eminitrader> :))
<szubaark> Niha u put any meaning when u see 5 min candle go "up and down" only to close higher.. meaning the formation of the 5 min Interval is really volatile
<NihabaAshi> No meaning to me...although volatility is currently declining into the 10am key report.09:56

Volatility almost dead...09:58

Now is the time to exit your position if yo don't like volatility :)09:59
<eminitrader> [10:00] <eminitrader> whoah...........10:00
<Chilly>  Long ER2 @ 737.30

exit stop set ER2 @ 737.40 10:01
<jperl>  U.S. Aug. new-home sales up 4.1% to 1.05M v. 1.04M expected10:02
<Chilly>  Trailing Stop Hit ER2 @ 737.40 --> + 0.1 10:03
<eminitrader> +/- 11% marging of eroor ...
<NihabaAshi> Volatility dropping again.10:06
<szubaark>  Shorts NQ @ 1675.25 10:09
<jperl> ER2 at VWAP 736.5010:10
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 736.20 --> + 0.7 10:11
Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 736.20
3 contracts10:12
<szubaark>  Covered all Short NQ at 1672.50 --> + 2.75 10:14
<jperl> ER2 returns to VWAP 736.4010:17
<szubaark> 5minutes to Oil Report10:23
<NihabaAshi>  Covered ER2 Short @ 737.90 --> - 1.7 10:24
Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 737.90
<silo1> cool my broker just added a few new future symbols10:25

a few nymex contracts

QM QH and QG
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 737.30 -> Add
I'm obviously getting more bullish.10:26
<pat255> agree niha ...
<silo1> hey niha, are any of these good for trading: QM QH QG10:28
my broker just added these
<NihabaAshi> Silo...watch their charts for a few weeks or months to determine that.10:29
<silo1> no futures quotes yet... i applied for it... now i just have to sign some paperwork and mail it back to them :)10:30
<szubaark>  Buys NQ @ 1677,75 10:32
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<pat255> niha u continue to hold...L

vn niha ...10:34
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 739.20 --> +1.9
Holding 2 contracts
<szubaark> nice Niha... staying with trend10:36
<pat255> hard to reverse for me ...both emini & niha do it on a dime10:37
<les>  Shorts ER2 @ 738.7
<NihabaAshi> pat...its not easy and hopefully I've never implied such.
I've done two late trade reversals today that cost me a point each contract.10:38
<pat255> but they pan out ..i have noticed so many time s..10:39

but in trading u need to do that ...10:40

rather than take a stop
<NihabaAshi> true.
Sometimes I'll take a stop out only because I stuck to my bias.
<les>  Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 738.3 --> + 0.4 10:42
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 737.80 --> - 0.1 10:43
Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 737.80
<les>  Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 737.2 --> + 1.5
<jperl> ER2 at VWAP 737.0
<les>  exit stop lowered ER2 @ 738.2 10:44
<NihabaAshi> Mostly my last trade of the day because of the platform problems of my own (not the broker fault).
<jperl> TotalMarket sitting on its average price....10:45

http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-09-27/JP ERL_016.png

light blue line10:46
<les>  Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 736.9 --> + 1.8 10:47
<pat255> vn les ...wtg10:48
<les> thx pat
<NihabaAshi>  Covered 2/3 ER2 Short @ 735.90 --> + 1.9 10:50

Holding 1 contract...need a few tick more and I'll be happy because I've reached my goal.
<pat255> vn niha10:51
<szubaark> Niha u did some Fast trading today (reversals)

looks like accumulation/distribution by the big boys here at the new highs11:02
<eminitrader> mean anything szu ..will it go highr or lower ?11:03
<szubaark> emini prolly just Chop.. shakin everyone out til they get ready for next move11:04
<les> prob higher of thats whats happening at the base here
<eminitrader> gotya thx
<les> but
u gotta be sure thats what those bigguys r doing
i gotta headstart, cos i cn read their minds
<eminitrader> :)11:05
<les> i cn say this:
<szubaark> Intraday looks higher since we making higher lows now BUT could change on a dime LOL
<les> ivery three mins they think about trading
rest of time..
well u guess
<szubaark> geez another of those slow,controlled,steady upcreeps11:09
<NihabaAshi> Volatility is slowly (creeping) lower but ER2 is hanging tough by slowly going upwards :(
<eminitrader> looks like ES took out the stops..breasking the low before its going back yto take out the highs11:10
<NihabaAshi>  Covered ER2 Short @ 738.80 --> - 1
Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 738.80
  
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<szubaark> emini thats ES for ya.. lots of retail trading that Beast,Pros pick pocketing them11:11
<eminitrader> true szu...we get lucky if on the same side
<szubaark> ES has been faking my NQ trades lately..so im paying less attention to it.11:12
<eminitrader> k..didn't observe that
<les> got appointment ot attend, so c u all later on
* les is now known as lesAway
<eminitrader> actually u r right ES broke the lows while the NQ did nothing..not even a loer low...making sense11:13
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 738.00 -> Add 11:14
<eminitrader> missed a long at the lows ES ..:((
<szubaark> YM is key here.. needs to take out high11:15
<eminitrader> does the ym co-ordinate with the nq...in terms of moves
<szubaark> YM with ES some days like today they'll be different.. thats why so choppy right now11:16
<eminitrader> guess the key is to figure out which will lead today11:17
<szubaark> Today ES causing the chop right now i think
<eminitrader> vol is huge though ...looks the the ym will lead..with the ES to follow11:18
<szubaark> 4 ticks up, 2 ticks down :))11:19
<NihabaAshi> Geeesh...it just cant stay above the 739 price area.11:28
<szubaark> ES holding this up11:31
<NihabaAshi>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 738.90 --> + 0.90 and +0.10 11:32
<pat255> vn
<NihabaAshi> I'm calling it a day...almost reached my profit goal for the day and will sit down to make a little more adjustments in my platform and chart setup on the new computer...11:33
<pat255> k niha ...thks for your comments
<NihabaAshi> Way too much eye movement (up to down) from charts to platform...costing me many ticks.
<szubaark> weird.. as soon as Niha exited we popped 1 point on ER11:35
Niha they were waiting on you :)11:36
exit stop set NQ @ 1678
c'mon u slime break high11:37
Exited all Long NQ at 1678.50 --> + 1.5 11:41
phew.. need a break
* szubaark is now known as szubaark_away
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<pat255> does someone know hot to het set stop for sell buy when u take an atnry on IB..11:58
<eminitrader> sprry pat ..TS here11:59
<pat255> np

emini ..thks
<eminitrader> urw
<NihabaAshi> I may not be hear on Friday or Monday...I just found out a close relative in Atlanta Georgia died yesterday.12:14

I may have to fly to Europe and escort another relative (that's devasted) to Atlanta.12:15
<GoodMood> which you a lot energy for that task !12:16
<NihabaAshi> I'll let the room know if I'm not going to be here.

Not a good day what so ever.
* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away
<pat255> sorry to hear that niha12:17
<eminitrader> sorry abt that niha
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<pdays>  Long ER2 @ 11777 13:19
Exited all ER2 Long @ 11780 --> + 3 13:20
<pat255> emini u S this drop?13:36
<eminitrader> will now pat after break of 1346.50...limit 1248 ..add @ 1249...stop 125013:41
<pat255> hmmm whay this way?13:42

was not the right setup earier?
<eminitrader> nope ..not on my method13:43
<pat255> kty
<eminitrader> where do u suggest it triggered
<pat255> just thot ushing near 1349 or so try one & stop 1 pt...13:44
<eminitrader> my was a reversal on the 3 min at 12:09 est ..would have sold on a retest ..but there was no retest of the high :((...that would have been ideal
<pat255> k...thks13:45
<eminitrader>  Shorts ES @ 1348
Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1346.50 --> + 1.5 13:47
worked beautifully and real fast..
that was my set-up pat13:48
<pat255> vn emini too fats

fast ...
<eminitrader> missed the fill @ 49 ..thats the reason for sell from 48
<pat255> good trade emini...13:50
<eminitrader> thx..
will trade 1 contract only for rest of the day
<pat255> k...imp not to give back ..key to be successfyl...:)13:51
<eminitrader> very true
<jperl> ER2 sitting on VWAP yet again...13:53

http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-09-27/JP ERL_017.png
<eminitrader>  Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1347 --> + 1 13:54
<pat255> vn
* lesAway is now known as les13:57
<les>  Shorts ER2 @ 737.9 14:03
<eminitrader>  Shorts ES @ 1347.50
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<eminitrader>  Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1347.50 --> 0
Shorts ES @ 1348.50 14:09
<les>  Covered ER2 Short @ 739.4 --> - 1.5

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 739.4
<substanz>  Shorts YM @ 11759 paper 14:12
<eminitrader> looks like a big tank coming...if set-up works per plan14:15

big if...but set-up looks good
<les> hope so em, i need to recover this
<eminitrader> most prolly les ..trades in ...lets just wait now14:16

there we go...hope the momemtum guys kick in14:17

Covered all ES Short @ 1345.50 --> + 3 14:20

i contract only ..otherwise would have held for test of 1243

expect a rebound here14:21
<silo1> damn why is the market going down14:22
<pat255> vn
<eminitrader> have no idea silo...just reading charts...14:23
hard to explain..
if u r looking for something logical...sorry14:24
thx pat..
<substanz>  Covered all YM Short @ 11750 --> + 9 paper 14:37
<les> damn14:40
Exited all ER2 Long @ 736.1 --> - 3.3
big ouch
  

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<eminitrader> thought u were short les
<pat255> sorry les ....:( :(
<les> thats how it goes14:41
<pat255> i think he reversed...
<eminitrader> always tommorow

k think iits a she pat :))
<les> i'm not a she14:44
but, hey, suit yerself
<eminitrader> sorry les...thought u were
<les> hehe, oh boy
<eminitrader> sincere apologies.14:45
<les> oh is ok :)14:46
i just curious why u thjought that
<szubaark_away> LOL heheh
<eminitrader> u r from the UK right ..somehow thought that from earlier conversations
<les> yes14:47

but we not all female here

hehe
<eminitrader> see ..got that part right :)
<substanz>  Long YM @ 11740 paper 14:51
<les> he, emini...15:11
u there?
<eminitrader> yeah
<les> well here's another complicated one for u...15:12
even tho i live in the uk..
i'm not even from here, originally
just thought i'd mention that so as to muddy things even more
<eminitrader> k..like me ..even though i live in the US ...not from here15:13
<les> where u from?
<eminitrader> u first
<les> s africa
cape town in fact
<eminitrader> from sri-lanka

k
<les> i'm due for a visit home end of october15:14
<pat255> wheer in US emini?
<eminitrader> little island of the indian ocean
moto city --suburb of detroit
<pat255> ah h k...15:15
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<eminitrader> and u pat
<les> hey, sri-lanka's not so little?
<pat255> S FL....near Ftlauderdale ..
<eminitrader> well compared to most other countries..it is les15:16
<pat255> in Hurricane Alley..lol
<les> i guess
smaller than uk i spose
<eminitrader> u safe this seaon :)
<pat255> i am so tired of hurricane ..freaking pain..
yeah not bad comapred to last year ..
<eminitrader> oh yeah a lot ..land wise...
<jperl> Here are my ER2 trades for the day.....most were breakeven ones....15:18
<eminitrader> my brother lives in Brighton...works for the NHS15:19
<les> hey, so do u have to keep wierd hours to trade eminis, em?
<jperl> too many cross overs of the VWAP which kept me out of most trades
<les> hehe - i work for the NHS too
<eminitrader> normal working day in EST zone

oh where at
<les> oh, forget, u in US, not SL :)
<eminitrader> yep15:20
<les> where do i work?
Hull
<eminitrader> which city

k
<jperl> http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-09-27/JP ERL_018.png
<les> u know of it?
<eminitrader> been to portchester recently..that far from hull
<les> dunno

where's that?
<eminitrader> k..close to brighton15:21
<silo1> what state?
<substanz>  Exited all YM Long @ 11759 --> + 19 paper
<les> oh, no hull's 240 miles north of london, east coast
<eminitrader> k..
<silo1> where are you guys
<les> england
<eminitrader> where u from silo?15:22
<silo1> boston, massachusetts, usa
<eminitrader> k.
<les> ah NEW england15:23
<silo1> :)

haha yup
<eminitrader> :)
<les> been to boston

both here and USA :)
<silo1> when you said brighton, i thought you meant brighton in massachusetts :)
ah cool
<eminitrader> ancestors had a tea party there ? if i remember right
<silo1> haha
<les> they did..
<silo1> yup
<les> alos.. Boston here is in South Lincolnshire15:24
<eminitrader> nice place though ..got lot of friends there
<les> and is how Boston US acquired its name

not surprisingly

UK Boston is quite a small market town
<eminitrader> heard abt it
<les> i love Boston US, great city to visit15:25

was ther 1987

hey guys...

about that tea party..
<eminitrader> yeah
<les> u still owe us the back taxes15:26
<eminitrader> see ya pal..
<les> hehe
<eminitrader> have blair get in touch with bush...they can figure it out
<les> like they figured out iraq?15:27
<eminitrader> meanwhile i just want to trade
lol
<les> not much chance of success ther
<eminitrader> why do u think i suggested that :)
<les> hey we got clinton over here today..

giving a speech to the labour party conference
<eminitrader> kicked some but here yest ...fox
<les> singing blair's praises15:28
<eminitrader> but=butt
fox channel ..a conversative one ..was real aggressive
<les> yeah we get it here

i dont mind its obviously right-wing bias...15:29
<eminitrader> looks like he's setting up Hillary for the presedential
<les> but i do mind when they start massaging facts

and being abusive to inerviewees they dont like

in truth its not really a news service15:30
<eminitrader> sorry guys ..gotto go..boss wants me ..
<les> anyone think hilary has a chance?

cu em
<eminitrader> bye see u all in the am
<les> i guess its go time for me too15:31

cya all tomorrow
<pat255> c u all am ty all15:34
<NihabaAshi_away> Take care all and thanks for the concern messages...appreciated.16:24
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