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| Session Start: Tue Sep 25 09:28:00 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades |
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<X> | [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm |
<Dmi76> | gm all |
<NihabaAshi> | Good morning all. |
<pat255> | man gap down ...er where are the S levels? |
<GoodMood> | Good morning Niha |
<NihabaAshi> | I have a strong bearish bias after reveiwing the daily charts but I hate it when it GAPs down big time like this at the open. | 09:29 |
| It's as if the market has already taken away big profits before the opening bell :( |
<pat255> | yes ...very true N | 09:30 |
| the only option is to S the move up.. |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 804.80 -> medium size |
| Gotta go with what's obvious and hope it doesn't retrace back upwards as if it want's to close the GAP. | 09:31 |
<Dmi76> | Shorts ES @ 805.0 |
<les> | Shorts ER2 @ 805.1 «« paper »» | 09:32 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 805.00 -> Add | 09:33 |
| Dark Hammer line as the first 2min interval...be careful. | 09:34 |
<eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1520.50 | 09:35 |
<pat255> | hiya em..gm |
<Dmi76> | Covered all ES Short @ 803.7 --> + 1.3 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 803.90 --> + 1.1 |
<les> | Shorts ER2 @ 804.2 -> Add «« paper »» | 09:36 |
<pat255> | S 804.1 paper |
| out b/e may go up | 09:38 |
<eminitrader> | Exited all ES Long @ 1520.50 --> 0 | 09:39 |
<les> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 803.4 --> + 0.8 «« paper »» |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1521.50 | 09:41 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 802.90 --> + 1.9 | 09:43 |
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<eminitrader> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1520.50 --> + 1 | 09:44 |
| Covered ES Short @ 1520.50 --> + 1 | 09:45 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1520.50 |
<NihabaAshi> | Gold did its part in helping bring this down but not Oil :( |
| If Oil had dropped like Gold at the open...ER2 would have tested 800.00 by now. | 09:46 |
<les> | Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 803.9 --> + 1.2 «« paper »» | 09:48 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 804.60 --> + 0.2 |
| Price area of the prior Dark Hammer Line has been retested... | 09:49 |
<eminitrader> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1522 --> + 1.5 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 805.20 -> small size | 09:51 |
| 1 only |
<eminitrader> | be back.. | 09:53 |
<NihabaAshi> | We have a few key economic reports at 10am est |
<les> | Shorts ER2 @ 804.6 «« paper »» | 09:54 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 804.50 --> - 0.7 | 09:55 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 804.50 |
<Brutus> | 1000/1400 Sep Richmond Fed Mfg Index |
| Manufacturing Index 7 |
| 1000/1400 Sep Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index |
| Consumer Confidence Index 104.5 105 |
| 1000/1400 Aug Existing Home Sales |
| Total Sales 5.5M 5.75M |
| Percent Change -4.4% -0.2% |
<Dmi76> | Shorts ES @ 804.3 |
| Covered all ES Short @ 804.2 --> + 0.1 | 09:58 |
<eminitrader> | Exited all ES Long @ 1520.50 --> 0 | 09:59 |
<les> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 804 --> + 0.6 «« paper »» | 10:02 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 804.40 --> + 0.1 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 804.40 |
| ISP caused loss profits on that Short... | 10:03 |
| One second I'm at 802 and the next tick its at 804.10 |
| :( |
<les> | was a very quick ove at 10-00 |
| move |
<NihabaAshi> | That happen in two different charting programs and two different broker platforms all at the same time :( | 10:04 |
| Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 804.70 --> + 0.3 |
| That tells me my "ISP" had problems keeping up with the data packets. | 10:05 |
| Nothing much I can do...it happens sometimes. |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 805.3 «« paper »» | 10:07 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 805.50 -> small size | 10:08 |
| I just heard Bush is on TV :( |
| That guy loves to show up during key economic report releases :( |
| Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 807.10 --> + 1.6 | 10:13 |
<ItalianSharp> | bush done | 10:18 |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1526.50 |
<les> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 808 --> + 2.7 «« paper »» |
<NihabaAshi> | There's that counter-thrust that I feared would occur after such a deep GAP DOWN at the open. |
| This time I'm Long and can exploit it. | 10:19 |
<ItalianSharp> | true...maybe as soon as ER2 and ES fill in their gaps, we'd get some nice short opportunities |
<eminitrader> | Covered ES Short @ 1527 --> - 0.5 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1527 |
<les> | Long ER2 @ 808.2 «« paper »» | 10:20 |
<NihabaAshi> | Yep...I'm keeping my bearish bias until it fills the GAP if and when such occurs. |
| Reason why I only use my bias to manage my position size and not my trade direction. |
<ItalianSharp> | niha, does that mean your bearish bias is on "hold" until ER2 fills in its gap? | 10:21 |
<eminitrader> | Exited ES Long @ 1526.50 --> - 0.5 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1526.50 |
<NihabaAshi> | Yes |
| If/when ER2 fills that GAP...as soon as that occurs I'll then re-examine my bias to make further position size adjustments. | 10:22 |
| Until then...I'm mainly larger on the Shorts in comparison to my Longs. |
| Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 807.00 --> + 1.5 | 10:23 |
<eminitrader> | Covered all ES Short @ 1525.50 --> + 1 | 10:24 |
| Shorts ES @ 1526.50 | 10:26 |
<les> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 807.2 --> - 1 «« paper »» | 10:28 |
| done for today |
<eminitrader> | Covered all ES Short @ 1524.50 --> + 2 |
<szubaark> | nice | 10:29 |
<NihabaAshi> | weak support here |
<eminitrader> | thx szu | 10:30 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 805.90 -> small size | 10:31 |
| 1 only |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 805.30 --> - 0.6 | 10:32 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 805.30 |
| 3 on the short |
<szubaark> | Buys ES @ 1525 «« paper »» | 10:33 |
<NihabaAshi> | I'm having more data stalls right now :( |
<szubaark> | Exited 1/2 Long ES at 1526.25 --> + 1.25 «« paper »» | 10:35 |
| exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1525 «« paper »» |
<NihabaAshi> | :( | 10:36 |
| Geeesh |
<szubaark> | holding remainder for possible Gap close |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 807.00 --> - 1.7 | 10:37 |
<szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1528.25 --> + 3.25 «« paper »» | 10:38 |
<eminitrader> | very nice read of the flow szu ..:) |
<szubaark> | thx. | 10:39 |
<NihabaAshi> | I had a 1.2 difference after the data stall cleared up :( |
<Brutus> | yep good one Szu |
<eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1528.25 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 806.90 -> large size | 10:45 |
| :( | 10:46 |
| Will need to do a reboot after I close this trade to see if that helps with my data problems. | 10:47 |
<eminitrader> | ES fighting stiff res ...before going for a gap fill |
| 1530 area |
<pat255> | looks like ...small p/b &then back up.. |
<Dmi76> | Shorts ES @ 806.5 | 10:48 |
<eminitrader> | rememebr though daily chart has shown a bearish move on the Es |
<pat255> | i c.. |
<NihabaAshi> | geeesh...not again... |
| My charts just went from 806.80 to 806.10 in two ticks :( | 10:50 |
| Have a stop order in place just in case my target is reached when my charts shows something different. | 10:51 |
<szubaark> | Buys ES @ 1527.75 «« paper »» | 10:55 |
| Exited all Long ES at 1526.75 --> - 1 «« paper »» | 10:57 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 804.80 --> + 2.1 |
<pat255> | vn ...guys . | 10:58 |
<NihabaAshi> | I got my profit goal for the day but I didn't want such to occur via doing a large position size (more money in the broker pockets). |
<eminitrader> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1526.25 --> + 2 |
<NihabaAshi> | Thus, with my goal for the day under my belt... |
<Dmi76> | Covered all ES Short @ 805.0 --> + 1.5 |
<NihabaAshi> | 1 contract only for the remainder of the trading day. |
| Be back soon...gotta do a major reboot that includes shutting down and refresh my routers. | 10:59 |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away |
* DisconnectedSession | Close: Tue Sep 25 11:00:39 2007 | 11:00 |
| Session Start: Tue Sep 25 11:21:00 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades |
* Now | talking in #futurestrades | 11:21 |
<X> | [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm |
<pat255> | vn em ...entry ..wify pulled me to do something ...:( |
<Dmi76> | Covered all ES Short @ 804.5 --> + 0.6 | 11:23 |
<NihabaAshi> | Anybody in here having problems with the browser log in method into #FuturesTrades via the following link... | 11:29 |
| http://chat.othernet.org/?channel=futurestrades |
| I got some recent emails it doesn't work anymore for those trying to log in via a computer that's not there's via using the direct link route. |
<GoodMood> | "applet jchat notinited" (Firefox browser) |
<pat255> | hmmm link has problems N | 11:30 |
<GoodMood> | same with Inetrnet Explorer |
<NihabaAshi> | Thanks for testing the link to verify there is a problem | 11:33 |
| ER2 GAP still has not been filled. | 11:37 |
| Thus, I'm still strongly bearish |
| Shorts ER2 @ 803.80 -> small size |
<pat255> | u have a pt N...gap fill plus oil gold -ve |
<NihabaAshi> | 1 only | 11:38 |
<Tim_a> | ym failing off of top of 9/19 gap |
<GM-Browser> | this works | 11:42 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 803.70 --> + 0.1 | 11:46 |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away |
<Niha> | This is NihabaAshi, I'm just testing an alternative browser log-in method for those that are logging in from a computer that's not their own. | 11:51 |
* NihabaAshi_away | is now known as NihabaAshi | 11:54 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 803.30 -> small size |
| That's what happens when I trade these "low volatility" price action after a volatility spike :( | 11:56 |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 804.10 --> - 0.8 | 11:57 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 804.10 |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 804.40 --> + 0.3 | 11:59 |
| After all the distractions today...time for a lunch break. | 12:00 |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away |
<ItalianSharp> | tough price action...hard to hold onto winning positions | 12:10 |
<Tim_a> | i've found the best way to get strong price action is to be stubborn with a losing position | 12:12 |
<ItalianSharp> | lol | 12:14 |
| nice one |
<Tim_a> | sad, but true |
<pdays> | Long ER2 @ 805.9 | 12:52 |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 806.2 --> + 0.3 |
* NihabaAshi_away | is now known as NihabaAshi | 13:11 |
<NihabaAshi> | Looks like this has turned into a range day. | 13:12 |
<ItalianSharp> | yes, need a breakout one way or another to make things more interesting | 13:14 |
<NihabaAshi> | It's trying now to make new intraday highs. | 13:17 |
| It just did. |
<ItalianSharp> | niha, when you mention new intraday high... | 13:19 |
| is that referred to the 9.30-4pm range? |
<NihabaAshi> | Yes |
<ItalianSharp> | wouldnt it be more correct, technically speaking, to say intraday high when a globex high is made? i am referring to futures of course | 13:20 |
<NihabaAshi> | depends on the type of chart your using. |
| Regardless, intraday highs or lows are usually in reference to "regular session" times. | 13:21 |
| weak resistance here area | 13:22 |
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<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 807.90 -> small size | 13:26 |
<intowin_away> | looks like my order from this am is still in.. | 13:28 |
| [07:53] <intowin> order in to sell short at 1536 | 13:29 |
| probably still short it if it gets there |
| we are do to retrace at least half of the big green fed candle imo | 13:30 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 8807.30 --> + 7999.4 | 13:33 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 8807.30 |
| ooops... |
<bern> | nice trade :) | 13:34 |
<NihabaAshi> | :) |
| Anyways...that's a -0.6 and I'm short at 807.30 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 807.30 -> small size | 13:35 |
| Looks like I got bronco bucked fairly good in that 1 point range price action | 13:36 |
| Oil moving higher but Gold is saving my butt during the last few minutes of price action. | 13:39 |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 805.90 --> + 1.4 | 13:45 |
<Tim_a> | very nice nih, i shadowed you but covered at 806.7 | 13:46 |
| for +.6 |
| , | 13:54 |
<eminitrader> | update on my earlier trade | 13:55 |
| Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1528.25 --> + 2 | 13:56 |
| Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1525.25 --> + 3 |
| had to go off mirc...or my voip phone does not work properly...will get a new router thrs ...hopefully will sove the problem | 13:57 |
<NihabaAshi> | If this can pull back to about 806.80 or lower...it becomes a decent risk trade with easy opportunity to reverse into a Short if wrong. | 13:59 |
| Long ER2 @ 806.00 -> small size | 14:02 |
| If I'm wrong...it's still an easy position reversal into a Short position. | 14:03 |
| without too much of a loss |
| Dark Hammer Line...be careful | 14:05 |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 806.10 --> + 0.1 | 14:07 |
| Gold and Oil not looking so hot right now...not a good time to be patient with that Long position. |
<Tim_a> | really doesnt know what it wants, does it | 14:33 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 806.80 -> small size | 14:39 |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 807.40 --> - 0.6 | 14:44 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 807.40 |
| Not sure if more volatility will show up to take this into new intraday highs. | 14:45 |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 808.40 --> + 1 | 14:47 |
| weak resistance and it's a great area to battle between Longs and Shorts. | 14:53 |
<werner> | niha what do you see for you go to reverse? |
<NihabaAshi> | If I wanted to go short... |
| I would like to see long upper shadows on a few intervals before the volatility declines too low. | 14:54 |
<werner> | ok thnx | 14:55 |
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<NihabaAshi> | If that happens while still up here in the resistance area...I'll keep a close watch for any Bearish signals. |
| Low volatility without those long upper shadows helps setup a tendency for a volatility spike upwards. | 14:56 |
<werner> | k :) | 14:57 |
<NihabaAshi> | So far, volatility is declining without any long upper shadows on any intervals via the 2min chart. |
| Long ER2 @ 808.50 -> small size | 14:58 |
| There's the price spike... | 14:59 |
| Hopefully it doesn't lose its volatility too fast. |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 809.70 --> + 1.2 | 15:00 |
<werner> | nice |
<NihabaAshi> | If I was wrong I would have gotten burnt for a big lose because the risk was too high to reverse from a Long into a Short. | 15:01 |
<werner> | i see | 15:02 |
<NihabaAshi> | A GAP fill is within striking distance now... |
| As we get closer to it I become less Bearish on ER2. | 15:03 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 809.50 -> small size | 15:04 |
| would be very nice if I would have get a volatility spike downwards about right now. | 15:05 |
| This trade was problematic as soon as I entered. |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 809.00 --> + 0.5 | 15:06 |
<werner> | save exit here? |
| lol |
<NihabaAshi> | Lucky exit and the entry was a trade error. | 15:07 |
| It's spiking down now...it may try to retrace the prior White WRB. |
<werner> | it a big one | 15:08 |
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<NihabaAshi> | I'm glad it gave me +0.5 because I almost took the loss at -0.20 | 15:09 |
<werner> | :) |
<NihabaAshi> | That prior volatility spike has been completely retraced. | 15:13 |
<werner> | yep |
<Tim_a> | odd that it didnt appear in es or ym | 15:14 |
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<rainer> | Long ER2 @ 807.50 | 15:39 |
<ItalianSharp> | we've been experiencing some hardcore chop lately...i am expecting a big range day any day | 15:47 |
<werner> | trendday? | 15:48 |
<ItalianSharp> | dont know about trend day...definetely a big range day either way...especially south IMO | 15:49 |
| a trend day is a day with little or no retracements |
<werner> | ok thnx |
<ItalianSharp> | so we can have a big range day with some nice swings |
| and with the markets still going nicely one direction |
| best days to trade IMO |
| anyways, i almost reached my profit goal for the day today despite the chop, low volatility and skyzofrenic markets | 15:50 |
| so i am happy...:)) |
<werner> | :) |
<NihabaAshi> | If we get a range day tomorrow on declining volatilty... |
| I'll be expecting a trend day on either Thursday or Friday. | 15:51 |
<ItalianSharp> | niha...if volatility declines even more...we might have to use a defribillator on the mkts | 15:52 |
<NihabaAshi> | :) |
<ItalianSharp> | this week is historically a down week for mkts | 15:53 |
<NihabaAshi> | I'm going to be prepared to trade tomorrow if it's a low volatility trading day that's also a range day. |
<ItalianSharp> | yes...until i see some nice volatility kicking in...i am in "scalping" mode | 15:54 |
<NihabaAshi> | I'm already lowering my profit goal expectations for tomorrow by 1/2 or about $500 bucks. |
<ItalianSharp> | it's useless to stay into trades longer, taking more heat to catch a bigger move when mkts just dont give it to you |
| i've been holding a short for like 2hrs...target was below 13840 and yet YM wouldnt break it...:(( | 15:55 |
| i gave it plenty of room...and came out at +3 eventually |
| that was my reminder contract |
| guess teh nice summer volatility is gone until summer 2008 |
<werner> | i go to see some tv boys its 9:53 pm here, see you all tomorrow |
<ItalianSharp> | bye werner | 15:56 |
| niha, why are you expecting a range day tomorrow? |
| bye the way, i am happy CBOT hasnt crashed yet this week...gonna send a "thank you" email to the IT guys there tonite | 15:57 |
| wow...mkts putting up a rally with 15mins to go...we'll find out how real this rally is tomorrow i gues | 15:58 |
| well, at least YM got out of that nasty range | 16:00 |
| hopefully it won't get sucked in there overnite and tomorrow we'll be outside the 13860-13840 range |
<rainer> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 808.6 --> + 1.1 | 16:02 |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 808.60 --> + 1.1 |
<bern> | have a nice evening all | 16:06 |
<NihabaAshi> | Take care all and see all tomorrow. | 16:15 |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away | 16:16 |
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