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#FuturesTrades September 7th Thursday 2006 Trade Log

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Trading Perspective

I can feel the overall market conditions changing (it started about 3 weeks ago) and I'm still unable to exploit it the way I want to.

On trading days like today...don't take it personally and wait for the day when everything seems the way it should be.

With that said...it was a trading day that doesn't have any key price action in comparison to prior trading days (unlike yesterday).

Today's results (real money and simulator trading) shown above are that of NihabaAshi only. To see his total accumulated points for the month of September...click here. To see results for the months of 2006 and prior years...click here.

Commentary by M.A. Perry (a.k.a. NihabaAshi)
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Session Start: Thu Sep 07 09:20:05 2006Session Ident: #futurestrades

* Now talking in #futurestrades 09:20

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<pat255> gm niha

<NihabaAshi> It's a big day of trading...contract changovers, 10am and 1030am key economic reports along with a FED speech around 2:40pm est. 09:21

<pat255> yes rollover today.. 09:22

<ItalianSharp> gm everybody 09:24

<les> niha - the gap fill down to 709.6 still looks a possibility today...

altho the rollover might muddy things along the way 09:25

<PapaJon> gm all

<yo> gm all 09:33

<substanz> gm 09:39

* szubaark-away is now known as szubaark

<yo> gm 09:40

<NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 715.20 -> small size 09:42

2 contracts only

ER2 is weak...it should be at 715.50 by now. 09:43

Exited ER2 Long @ 714.30 --> - 0.9 09:44

Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 714.30

Shorts ER2 @ 713.80 -> Add 09:45

1 contract add.

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<NihabaAshi> oh oh...

<yo> add was on wrb isnt it niha 09:48

<pdays> Shorts YM @ 11379 09:49

<NihabaAshi> yo...yes

<yo> tx

<NihabaAshi> Getting some heat from the White WRB that formed after the Dark WRB. 09:50

<yo> yep

yo you all use new tikkers 09:51

<NihabaAshi> yo...I'm trading the new contract month. 09:52

<yo> ok me too

dec

<NihabaAshi> Volume in it will pick up soon.

<yo> yep 09:53

<pat255> yeah may be by noon.. 09:54

<NihabaAshi> Usually it picks up by the first key econ report of the morning...

Today that's 10am est.

<pat255> kty

<pdays> Covered all YM Short @ 11372 --> + 7

<yo> niha you trade often the first hour is it becourse the volatility is at highst 09:58

<NihabaAshi> Yes

<yo> kty 09:59

<jperl> mostly red opening this morning...

<NihabaAshi> Easier to fix a bad trade when the volatility is good in comparison to when the volatility is low.

<jperl> http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-09-07/JP ERL_015.png

<yo> yes indd

<pat255> hmm i never looked at that from point of view..

<szubaark> No reaction to econ report.. Rollover continues 10:02

<NihabaAshi> Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 713.00 --> + 0.8 10:03

The add did its job...now lets see if I can stay in the original 2 contracts without getting shaken out. 10:04

<pat255> nice niha

<yo> indd good 10:05

<silo> morning 10:08

thanks niha

hi chilly, yo, asuni,

jperl

<jperl> gm

<asuni> gm silo

<NihabaAshi> Hi silo 10:10

For a few intervals there...the Z contract had more volume than the U contract...

Now the U contract is getting heavy again in comparison between the two. 10:11

Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 711.70 --> + 2.6 10:13

<silo> nice niha

260 bucks in the pocket? 10:14

<NihabaAshi> Not really...spouse gets most of it :(

<silo> :P

<NihabaAshi> I'm just glad she's not a shoe freak :) 10:15

<les> ok, niha... but at least doesnt she spend it on you?

<yo> lol 10:16

<NihabaAshi> I have a relative (successful business owner)...his wife has over 200 pairs of designer shoes.

Crazy.

<les> imelda marcus has finally got some decent competition

<NihabaAshi> With the declining value of the dollar...a lot more French women here are buying stuff from the U.S. :( 10:17

<yo> my wife has over 200 strings niha i think it is cheaper as shoes and i like it more 10:20

joke 10:24

<silo> g-strings?

<les> string vests? 10:25

<silo> hehe

<yo> lol

g i think

<silo> hey niha, i think you should start up another topic in elitetrader.com :D 10:26

i just can't get enough of your teachings :)

<NihabaAshi> I don't post as much at ET...I started feeling like I needed to go wash my hands after reading the dirt that's becoming common place. 10:30

<asuni> niha, pm

<silo> :(

how about starting up a few more topics at thestrategylab then :) 10:31

<NihabaAshi> I will but not now...I have a new forum that I'm working on in the background and it won't be ready until spring. 10:33

My current forum is hosted by ezboard and I want more control over it by hosting my own forum.

<silo> ah i see 10:34

i can't wait to see it

<yo> white wrb 10:35

5'frame 10:36

<NihabaAshi> Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 713.10 --> + 1.2 10:38

:( 10:39

That ER2 rally off the lows was a big surprise to me :(

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<yo> but its + :) 10:40

<jperl> ER2 at VWAP 712.80 10:41

* jperl doesn't trade here 10:42

<jperl> my daily reminder

http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-09-07/JP ERL_016.png 10:43

<NihabaAshi> Now that the volatility from Oil has kicked in...the Z contract is taking over. 10:44

Shorts ER2 @ 711.70 -> small size 10:46

<szubaark> Shorts NQ @ 1563

<NihabaAshi> intution trade

<pat255> what stop u keep on this niha? 10:47

<silo> z contract?

<NihabaAshi> pat255...no stop yet...will soon. 10:48

<pat255> kty

<les> Long ER2 @ 712.2 10:52

<silo> what do you guys think of the RSI and Stocastic indicators? 10:54

<NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 712.40 --> - 0.7

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 712.40

<silo> i use stocastic

<les> Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 712.7 --> + 0.5

<silo> but isn't RSI kinda similar?

since they both checks to see if something is either overbought or oversold? 10:55

<szubaark> i will take some heat on my Short as overall trend is down

<NihabaAshi> szu...I thought the same about the trend until around 1033am est. 10:57

<eminitrader> how u been doing guys ? back now

<NihabaAshi> Now...just getting more confused by the price action and will stop to take a breather after I close my current position.

<les> Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 713 --> + 0.8 10:58

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<NihabaAshi> Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 713.40 --> + 1

<les> exit stop raised ER2 @ 712.9

<NihabaAshi> The past 5 years of switching from U to Z wasn't this confusing :( 11:00

<silo> hey wb eminitrader 11:01

what is this s, z, and u contracts you guys have been talking about?

<NihabaAshi> Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 714.00 --> + 1.6

silo...you need to read the info at either http://www.cme.com or http://www.cbot.com or google for your own personal research. 11:02

Why? It's essential you become familiar which the "contract specifications" on your own. 11:03

<jperl> I think I am going to quit for the day....too many reversal trades... 11:04

<les> exit stop raised ER2 @ 713.7

<jperl> here are the executions...

http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-09-07/JP ERL_017.png

<szubaark> im already in doo-doo with my Short :(( 11:08

<les> Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 713.8 --> + 1.6 11:10

<pat255> vn les

<les> thx pat

tough trading this stuff

it struggles down, then struggles back up again 11:11

ugh

<eminitrader> Shorts ES @ 1306.75

<szubaark> so far this month is worst then June-july.. if this continues there wiill be no amateurs left LOL 11:14

<eminitrader> Shorts ES @ 1307.75 -> Add

<les> otoh, szu - if u can trade ok, or at least not lose in this month..

it looks a whole lot better later on 11:15

<szubaark> les.. im getting whacked so far this month. Quick, Sudden whipsaws both ways

<les> yeah, its not easy

<szubaark> your timing has to be PERFECT to the tick, its getting rediculous

<eminitrader> yeah u got to get the supp/res nos to the tick 11:16

<les> yes, and that means slippage becomes a bigger headache than usual 11:17

<szubaark> emini ES always likes to go 2-4 ticks above S/R getting Stops, like just now then setting Stops becomes emotional

<eminitrader> true ..its very important for us to overcome that 11:18

Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1305.75 --> + 2 11:19

<szubaark> nice 11:20

<eminitrader> thats 1.5 ..avg 6 shorts 1307.25

thx szu

<pat255> vn emini

<eminitrader> thx pat

set-up was from the globex 24hrs 11:22

<pat255> dang i missed the entry on es ...sigh ..still could have taken it but did not ..:( 11:23

<eminitrader> yeah ..nice set-up Es @ 40% retrace with NQ testing the a major high @ 1590 11:24

<pat255> what tf emini? 5 min 11:26

<eminitrader> for this set-up time frame really doesn't matter pat ..its the same on 1 3 5 or 15min 11:27

<pat255> kty 11:28

<eminitrader> but the chart was from 24 hrs

<pat255> k..

<eminitrader> 3 min

what i mean is retracements are the same since the swings for the day r the same in all time frames 11:29

<szubaark> here they go to testing high again on NQ

<pat255> yes 11:30

<eminitrader> think it is very similar to the one that u got stopped yest szu

but the ES on a different pattern today

<szubaark> emini that "whipsaw candle" was that 2pm Beige Book report they used, which of course after the shake produced next leg down :) 11:31

yersturday.. i got to keep those reports in mind as they will use them for Shakeouts

Covered all Short NQ at 1572.25 --> - 9.25 11:32

<eminitrader> Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1307.25 --> - 0.5

<szubaark> Buys NQ @ 1572.50

<eminitrader> b/e

Shorts ES @ 1307.75 11:33

<szubaark> wow

exit stop moved to breakeven NQ @ 1572.50

<eminitrader> trading the " U " szu 11:34

<szubaark> yes.. didnt know we rollover Today

Exited all Long NQ at 1573 --> + 0.5

<les> i done that before too 11:35

<szubaark> im done... reached my MAx Loss for day.

<eminitrader> will the pattern vary ..given the vol difference ?

<szubaark> last trade was "revenge trade"

<eminitrader> NQ Z was at globex high with ES still @ res 11:36

* szubaark is now known as szubaark_MaxLoss

<NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 714.80 -> small size 11:39

2 contracts only

<pat255> guys back to office ..ty all.. 11:47

<eminitrader> later pat

<pat255> later

<eminitrader> Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1306.50 --> + 1.25 11:49

be back 11:53

<NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 715.60 --> - 0.8 11:56

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 715.60

Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 716.60 --> + 1 11:58

<les> interesting... 11:59

the daily all but filled the gap on 28th aug

then bounced up sharply

<NihabaAshi> Geeesh...what's up...

Look at EuroFX and EurUsd 12:00

<les> havnt got those charts... what do u mean?

<eminitrader> Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1307.75 --> 0

late post 12:01

<NihabaAshi> WRB volatility spikes

<les> k

<asuni> someone is speaking?

<NihabaAshi> Something is going on...nothing related to any calendar events.

asuni...not until 2:40pm est

When there's no breaking world news and no key calendar event... 12:03

It's a time to hold on to your boots and hope your on the right side of the trade :)

<les> only news i've found is Israel lifted its air blockade of lebanon 12:04

not sure when that was anounced tho

<NihabaAshi> Late yesterday was when I first read that.

<les> ok

<NihabaAshi> ER2 just closed its overnight GAP from yesterday. 12:06

<silo> niha, do you have any negative trades or breakeven trades today as well as the positive ones you guys are posting? :D 12:07

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<NihabaAshi> My losers are also posted...look at your log. 12:13

Here's the most recent loser :(

[11:58] <NihabaAshi> Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 716.60 --> + 1

Ooops... 12:14

[11:56] <NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 715.60 --> - 0.8

That one was a trade management error...didn't take the profit when it was there (got greedy).

Here's another... 12:15

[10:54] <NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 712.40 --> - 0.7

Here's the one that got my day turned upside down... 12:16

Very first trade of the day...

[09:44] <NihabaAshi> Exited ER2 Long @ 714.30 --> - 0.9

I chased that one long after the pattern signal appeared and then later realized after entry...it wasn't a pattern signal :(

silo...have you set up your IRC to time stamp the posts ??? 12:17

<silo> oh no 12:18

i should though

<NihabaAshi> If not...that may explain why everything seems messy and you can't differenciate between the posts.

Yes...if you don't...how do you know what time something occurred.

The instructions for the time stamp is where the password is located at the ezboard. 12:19

<silo> ok

got it set now

:)

<les> silo - if u leftclick on the symbol at the top left of any mIRC window... 12:23

you'll see a whole bunch of options

fonts, timestamps, position, even the ability to move the window onto the desktop 12:24

its also usefull to turn 'logging' on so u got a record of the exchanges here 12:25

you can even learn to do the colours 12:26

:)

breaktime now 12:27

<NihabaAshi> Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 716.60 --> + 1

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<les> cyu later

* les is now known as lesAway

<NihabaAshi> :(

When a pullback starts to retrace prior WRBs...time to let it go before all the profits go away. 12:28

<yo> thnx 12:30

<silo> yo, you're in the same trade as niha? 12:32

<yo> i try to understant and to see trade wrb and sometimes im in the same yes 12:37

* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_lunch 13:00

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<eminitrader> Shorts ES @ 1308.35 13:33

Shorts ES @ 1308.25

Covered ES Short @ 1309.25 --> - 1 13:36

Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1309.25

<silo> hey niha, which of the futures symbols are your favorites?

:)

<eminitrader> Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1310.25 --> + 1 13:40

Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1311.25 --> + 2 13:44

am holding 1 for 5pts .... 13:58

gap fill to the tick will give me that 13:59

<substanz> Shorts YM @ 11472 «« paper »» 14:06

<silo> emini, you still waiting to get that 5 points?

* lesAway is now known as les 14:08

<eminitrader> yep 14:09

<szubaark_MaxLoss> these pullbacks are nerve wrecking for me when IN A POSITION as u dont know if there is more or trend change 14:14

* NihabaAshi_lunch is now known as NihabaAshi 14:15

<szubaark_MaxLoss> they dont give double bottoms/tops just a Quick WRB, so u either chase or missed it LOL

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<NihabaAshi> Wow...what the heck did I missed...that's one heck of a turnaround in the Eminis.

<szubaark_MaxLoss> all the indicators are Worthless as they will always get you LATE on the move

<NihabaAshi> silo...I'm unable to trade my favorite trading instruments due to family and the difference in the time zone when they Open (DAX, FTSE-100, CAC-40) 14:16

Same with EuroFX but that one I can go after some of the less desirable trades when ER2 is active. 14:17

I don't like trading the DAX, FTSE nor CAC-40 after missing their open (soon after 2am est because I'm asleep at that time).

When the kids are older and I can go to bed much earlier...I'll go back to trading those trading instruments. 14:18

<silo> i see

have you ever traded the foregin markets?

like trade night nights here when it's day time over ther 14:19

<NihabaAshi> That's what the DAX, FTSE and CAC40 are...foreign based futures.

Oh...you meant like the Hang Seng Index.

That opens around 10pm or 11pm est. 14:20

<szubaark_MaxLoss> Hang Seng index :))

<NihabaAshi> Lets put it this way...I don't trade when its time to go to bed :)

The late night shift doesn't appeal to me :)

<silo> hehe :) 14:25

<szubaark_MaxLoss> IN HINDSIGHT, I Shorted right at the Reversal point to the upside... Trend IS NOT your friend 14:27

problem was i JUMPED on RED WRB then when it snaped back i was 3 Points in red Already. 14:28

I need to time my entries better to the frikin tick.

<jperl> Instead of "timing" your entries to the tick szu.... 14:30

just wait until it retraces back to your entry point

If it doesn't retrace....

forget it....

don't chase it

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<szubaark_MaxLoss> TotalMarket was ALL RED so i was "confident" we goinna continue down, I WAS WRONG LOL

<eminitrader> Long ES @ 1310.25 -> Add

<codehead> long Ym 11450 <paper> 14:35

i traded early today for a winner, but a platform glitch made me leery of trading any more, so just doing other work here 14:36

<substanz> Covered all YM Short @ 11450 --> + 22 «« paper »» 14:40

<codehead> nice

<eminitrader> Exited all ES Long @ 1309.25 --> - 1

<substanz> thx

<eminitrader> thats -0.5

nice sub 14:41

<substanz> thx, was short all day 14:42

<eminitrader> Long ES @ 1309.75 14:56

<deepitm> Shorts YM @ 11440 15:04

<silo> damn substanz, 22 points ? :) 15:07

too bad it was a paper trade eh? hehe

<substanz> yes paper 15:08

my short was good for 40 points :( 15:09

<eminitrader> Exited all ES Long @ 1306.75 --> - 3 15:35

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<silo> ouch 15:49

3 po ints

:(

taht's gotta hurt

<deepitm> Covered all YM Short @ 11416 --> + 24 15:50

<codehead> oops, forgot about the paper trade i entered here while back, sorry 16:03

i'll take my -22 here

but really i went long 11412 for 6 on a couple, so 3-for-3 trading today, but not a lot of ticks :-/ 16:04

i got sidetrack with work after the paper trade entry, forgot about it

<NihabaAshi> Take care all and see all tomorrow 16:41

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* DisconnectedSession Close: Thu Sep 07 16:56:02 2006 16:56

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