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| Session Start: Wed Aug 15 09:27:42 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades |
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<X> | [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm |
<Pepe> | gm all | 09:30 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 764.50 -> large size | 09:31 |
<doublejay> | gm all |
<NihabaAshi> | 10 contracts |
| I have a target of anything below 763.00 |
| It's trying hard to shake me out :( | 09:33 |
| I'm also not expecting any chop right now. | 09:34 |
| Either smooth down or smooth upwards. |
| So far I'm wrong about the smooth price movement | 09:35 |
<ItalianSharp> | price action really jumpy | 09:36 |
<base> | GM |
<NihabaAshi> | yep...very jumpy as usual for the past month |
<ItalianSharp> | with this type of price action one is better off thinking in terms of "zones" rather than "ticks" | 09:37 |
<NihabaAshi> | Agree | 09:38 |
<base> | PT Niha? | 09:40 |
<Pepe> | ? |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 762.90 --> + 1.6 | 09:42 |
| holding 4 contracts |
<doublejay> | good trade but a little bit depressive :) | 09:43 |
<NihabaAshi> | base... |
| [09:31] <NihabaAshi> I have a target of anything below 763.00 |
<base> | Nice with such a size and this price action. |
<NihabaAshi> | I've been seeing a lot of 5 - 15 contracts after my entry. | 09:44 |
<base> | Yeah, I was not asking, I was just noticing that you are already there. :) |
<NihabaAshi> | I guess I'm not the only one trying to get done trading early today :) |
<Pepe> | :) | 09:45 |
<base> | We have just took 1 point on the way down. 762.90 - 761.90 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 763.80 --> + 0.7 | 09:46 |
| It's back into chop mode :( | 09:47 |
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<Awash> | good morning all |
<base> | I am trding with doublejay, both together. We always have a voip connection between or we are in the office. |
| GM Awash |
<Awash> | looks like ES bounced at premarket LOD |
<NihabaAshi> | base...you guys using video ? |
<Awash> | and trading back into yesterday's range | 09:48 |
<base> | Just a voice over IP. |
| Well, next one point. |
| Actually, most of our trades are paper ones. | 09:49 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 769.00 -> small size | 09:52 |
| 2 only |
| trying something new here |
<base> | wow | 09:53 |
| You have to be lucky guy. :) |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 772.50 --> + 3.5 | 09:54 |
| Lucky trade | 09:55 |
| I'm clueless why that pop to the upside like that. |
<base> | And I have exited the long at 766.60 with +1. Very premature exit. :) |
<doublejay> | great move up - it seems to be good for large size trade :) |
<NihabaAshi> | Something hit the market that's bullish. |
<AusTrader00> | GM. this is going nuts... | 09:56 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 775.10 --> + 6.1 |
<AusTrader00> | wow nice... |
<NihabaAshi> | Anybody has any news on this move ? |
<asuni> | not here? | 09:57 |
<pat255> | nope N |
<jperl> | something about the FED backing off on an intervention |
* sep34_outdoor | is now known as sep34_ | 09:59 |
<NihabaAshi> | That little pullback represent traders trying to figure out what's going on. | 10:00 |
| It's going to move fast upwards again or straight down once they get some FACTS. |
| Long ER2 @ 773.10 -> small size | 10:01 |
| 1 contract only |
| intuition trade |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 771.80 --> - 1.3 | 10:02 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 771.80 |
| still 1 contract |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 768.30 --> + 3.5 | 10:06 |
| Got my average size per trade back within my goal for the day (less than 3.5 contracts per trade). | 10:07 |
<szubaark> | nice, Fast Volatility based trading this morning Niha. | 10:10 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 769.60 -> small size |
| whoopie...I got a fill :) |
<base> | :) |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 768.70 --> - 0.9 | 10:11 |
| Long ER2 @ 770.30 -> small size | 10:12 |
| 1 only |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 772.60 --> + 2.3 | 10:17 |
| lucky counter-thrust back upwards because I almost dumped it at 771.50 |
| 1030am est EIA Petroleum Status Report up next. | 10:25 |
<base> | EIA is at 10:30 |
| :) | 10:26 |
<Awash> | Shorts ES @ 1442.75 |
<NihabaAshi> | So far its looking bullish |
<base> | It is probing the pivot point for the second time. | 10:28 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 776.00 -> small size |
| 1 only |
<Awash> | Covered all ES Short @ 1444.75 --> - 2 | 10:29 |
<base> | NihabaAshi: You have caught it again. | 10:30 |
| Very nice move. |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 777.50 --> + 1.5 | 10:35 |
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<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 774.70 -> small size | 10:49 |
| 1 only |
| weak looking White Hammer Line but should be good for a few ticks. |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 774.80 --> + 0.1 | 10:50 |
<base> | Weak hammer, but supported by pivot point. | 10:51 |
<NihabaAshi> | Be back later...got some distractions here with family. |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away |
<Pepe> | I have questions. what does nick-Eminitarder trade? Market profile or price action or something else? | 10:55 |
| eminitrader | 10:56 |
| I know, he is on long vocation with his family. | 10:57 |
<ItalianSharp> | does anyone know how eminitrader is doing? i missed the last couple of days in the room and someone might have talked about him in here | 10:58 |
<Pepe> | Yes, Nihaba said: eminitrader is on long vocation with family. | 11:02 |
<Brutus> | pepe | 11:33 |
<base> | ItalianSharp: I think he has gone at least two weeks ago. | 11:44 |
<Brutus> | eminitrader uses fibs and trades of the 3m, 5m 15m, no volume also uses 2 moving averages for his SR and market direction. | 11:46 |
<Bambam-77> | protect shorts |
<Pepe> | Brutus thank you | 11:48 |
<Bambam-77> | 769.9 pos trgt | 11:49 |
| then 768 |
<Brutus> | urw | 11:51 |
<Bambam-77> | on trgt | 11:52 |
| 66.10 aft that |
| if we get retrc look for +2 | 11:53 |
| er |
* NihabaAshi_away | is now known as NihabaAshi | 11:54 |
<NihabaAshi> | Looks like I missed the southward price action | 11:55 |
* codehead_afk | is now known as codehead | 11:59 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 768.20 -> small size |
| 1 only |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 768.30 --> + 0.1 | 12:02 |
| :( |
| Long ER2 @ 769.10 -> small size | 12:04 |
| Trying again but I have no wiggle room on this trade. |
| Yet, it is an easy position reversal if I'm wrong. | 12:05 |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 770.20 --> + 1.1 | 12:08 |
| Long ER2 @ 770.40 -> small size | 12:15 |
| Gold and Oil trying hard to provide some support | 12:16 |
| Oil :( | 12:19 |
| It's stalling |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 770.70 --> + 0.3 | 12:20 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 770.30 -> small size | 12:21 |
| 1 only |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 771.10 --> - 0.8 | 12:24 |
| Volatility declining...I'm expecting a volatility spike here soon | 12:25 |
<szubaark> | ES 1430 retest? | 12:30 |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 769.90 -> small size | 12:41 |
| 2 only |
| I'm not looking for much |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 769.00 --> - 0.9 | 12:42 |
<szubaark> | looks like a nother fakeout.. ES just had a bunch of those in last congestion zone |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 769.40 -> medium size |
<szubaark> | they might as well re-test lows since they half-way there probobly why we didnt make new highs yet (Stops) | 12:43 |
<codehead> | long YM 13064 <paper> | 12:44 |
| wide stop 13039 <paper> | 12:45 |
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<codehead> | exit half YM +30 <paper> | 12:46 |
| that was target on half |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 770.80 --> + 1.4 | 12:47 |
<codehead> | Er has a cci vegas pattern on 5 min for ups, but so far price got stopped at resistance | 12:48 |
| hit previous high exactly, stilled |
| stalled | 12:49 |
| b/o of 771.40 might get a nice candle |
| raise stop on remainder YM to b/e | 12:52 |
| <paper> |
<szubaark> | hehe.. running out of steam already | 12:53 |
<codehead> | i'm going for 100, exit flat, or exit eod, whichever comes first | 12:59 |
| on the remainder |
<Brutus> | 08/15/2007 13:00 *DJ US NAHB Aug Housing Index 22 Vs 24 In Jul | 13:00 |
<szubaark> | ES doing the channel rop-a-dope | 13:19 |
<codehead> | yep, all indices bumping to channel top | 13:22 |
| YM close to showing a trend, but also cumped the top | 13:23 |
| higher lows tho |
| here's the try... | 13:24 |
| exit Ym +90 <paper> | 13:43 |
| close enough, need to pay attention to stocks |
| got to +94 | 13:44 |
<Dmi76> | was long es from 1436,25 closed 1445,25 | 13:58 |
<Awash> | what's the ES bid? | 14:05 |
<Dmi76> | 1441 |
<Awash> | thanks |
<codehead> | long YM 13047 <paper> | 14:36 |
| 30 tick target | 14:37 |
| exit half +10 Ym <paper> |
| raise stop to b/e on remainder <paper> | 14:38 |
| filled +30 YM <paper> | 14:40 |
* szubaark | is now known as szubaark_away | 14:49 |
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<werner> | gn all | 14:58 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 764.60 -> small size |
| 1 only |
<codehead> | YM sitll a buy inder 130 | 15:00 |
| 13030. as long as it doesn't lose 13000 |
| but close could get even nuttier |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 766.40 --> - 1.8 | 15:01 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 766.40 |
<codehead> | ER2 has a trendline break on the selling |
| could get a pop |
| 770.5 gets it back to pivot | 15:02 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 765.70 --> - 0.7 | 15:03 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 765.70 |
<codehead> | long YM 13015 <paper>, stop 12999, one paper contract | 15:04 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 765.50 --> + 0.2 | 15:05 |
<codehead> | broke my account out of a downtrend today, so i'll keep it and not do any more real trades, this keeps me occupied |
| 13049 target <paper> | 15:06 |
| nasty naz | 15:07 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 764.10 -> small size | 15:08 |
| 2 only |
| jumpy prices | 15:09 |
| It's caused me problems on my last 3 trades. |
<codehead> | stopped -16 Ym <paper> | 15:12 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 761.50 --> + 2.6 |
| crazy jumpy bounce back up. | 15:13 |
<codehead> | yeah, that was the major stop run on YM | 15:14 |
| could bounce now--seemed sellers worked pretty hard for that | 15:15 |
| long 12970 YM <paper> | 15:16 |
| scalp |
| target 20 |
| VIX spike | 15:17 |
| over 30 | 15:18 |
| could be bottom or close |
| filled scalp +20 | 15:19 |
| <paper> |
| bottom could be in mkt |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 762.60 --> + 1.5 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 762.60 |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 762.70 --> + 0.1 | 15:23 |
| got too jumpy again |
<codehead> | mkt is trying to put in a bottom here |
| towels being thrown in |
| long YM 12960 <paper> | 15:29 |
| may be getting too late |
| 10 tick target |
| exit +10 YM <paper> | 15:30 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 761.80 -> small size |
| poor trade decision |
<codehead> | long YM 12950 <paper> | 15:33 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 760.60 --> + 1.2 |
| lucky exit |
<codehead> | nice |
<NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 758.80 -> small size | 15:36 |
| 1 only | 15:37 |
| trying something new |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 758.60 --> - 0.2 | 15:38 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 758.60 |
<codehead> | add 12920 YM <paper> | 15:39 |
| target on add 12940 | 15:40 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 758.00 --> + 0.6 |
<codehead> | filled exit on Ym add, +20 | 15:41 |
| target sitll 12960 on original |
| hm, hit 57 and dumped back down | 15:43 |
| and back to 58... | 15:46 |
| raise target to 70 | 15:48 |
| add 12907 <paper> | 15:54 |
| sheesh |
<NihabaAshi> | Gotta still love this volatility and intraday ranges... |
| Still amazing. |
<codehead> | full-on meltdown today |
<ItalianSharp> | i think i am going to fall into depression the day this volatility dies out | 15:55 |
<codehead> | 12930 target | 15:57 |
<NihabaAshi> | My biggest months of the year was January and March. |
| March was due to the volatility increases and January due to the position size increase. | 15:58 |
| March prepared me June and July trading. |
<ItalianSharp> | niha, do you think you are going to have to increase position size when volatility drops again? | 15:59 |
<NihabaAshi> | Here comes the 4pm spike close...I'm ready this time :) |
| Long ER2 @ 754.80 -> small size |
| Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 756.30 --> + 1.5 | 16:01 |
<codehead> | nice |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 758.00 --> + 3.2 | 16:05 |
| It's another "armed robbery" trading day :) | 16:06 |
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<Brutus> | ============ U.S. MARKETS ACTION =========== | 16:11 |
| DJIA down 124.04 points to 12905.44 |
| NASDAQ down 27.19 points to 2471.93 |
| S&P 500 down 12.92 points to 1413.93 |
| 10-year T-note up 11/32 at 100 15/32 yield 4.692 |
| NYMEX Spot Crude up $0.95 at $73.33/bbl at close |
| Dollar/Euro down 0.0084 at 1.3450 |
<codehead> | exit add +20 YM <paper> | 16:12 |
<AusTrader00> | We're in trouble now... dow + s&P. | 16:14 |
<NihabaAshi> | I came within 1 tick of having a personal best trading day on the average contract size per trade via 1.69 contract per trade to produce +39.90 ER2 points. |
<ItalianSharp> | nice niha...do you always measure that? |
<NihabaAshi> | Yes | 16:15 |
<ItalianSharp> | why is that important to you? |
<NihabaAshi> | It gives me some clues about my position size managment when I compare one trading day to another trading day without having to look deeper into other stats. | 16:16 |
<AusTrader00> | how do u manage to trade 1.69 contract ?? 1 contract here and there... then 2 the next ? | 16:20 |
<NihabaAshi> | Aus...its the exact average. | 16:25 |
| For example...lets say you only took 2 trades. |
| One trade for 1 contract and the second trade for 2 contracts. |
| You average per trade is 1.5 (not 1 nor 2). |
| Traders that have position size management at the top of their priority list like me need the "exact" number to two digits. | 16:26 |
<ItalianSharp> | niha, do you measure position size against total pts as well? | 16:28 |
| cause if you do...you should also include number of trades to measure your efficiency per trade | 16:29 |
<NihabaAshi> | ItalianSharp...I do about 20 stats related to position size management including efficiency stats as discussed before in here a few times in the past. | 16:33 |
| However, I only need "one stat" to alert me to a problem...that's the one I posted in here today. |
* sep34_ | is now known as sep34_away |
<NihabaAshi> | That one stat tells me to take a closer look at specific trades. | 16:34 |
| Simply, I do "one easy stat" and if the numbers don't look right to me (there's a problem)...I'll dump my trades into the Lotus spreadsheet to take a closer look at my position size management if needed. | 16:40 |
| However, most of the time I can just review the trades themselves (without stats) to see problems or improvements. |
<Brutus> | cul8r | 16:47 |
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<NihabaAshi> | Take care all and see all tomorrow...its soccer night with the kids tonight :) | 17:02 |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away |
* DisconnectedSession | Close: Wed Aug 15 17:03:04 2007 | 17:03 |
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