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| Session Start: Wed Aug 01 09:31:11 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades |
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<X> | [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm |
<Awash> | morning all |
<werner> | gm niha,all |
<eminime68> | gm Niha | 09:32 |
<pat255> | gm all |
<base> | GM all |
<PapaJon> | jeeze.. strong start | 09:33 |
| pegged my cpu |
| hate when that happens |
<Bambam-77> | like i said they want to close the gap by 9:30 |
<Awash> | . | 09:37 |
<intowin> | who is biting at the bit to short? |
<Bambam-77> | Long ES @ xxxx |
<intowin> | where did you enter long bam? | 09:38 |
<Bambam-77> | Shorts ES @ 12345 |
<intowin> | you just testing script? |
<Bambam-77> | yes | 09:39 |
<intowin> | it does the math for you when you exit a trade | 09:41 |
<pdays> | Bam..there is a test mode |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 779.60 -> small size |
| 2 contracts only...may add is volatility picks up. | 09:42 |
<pdays> | right click /setup/default trading |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 778.60 -> Add |
| intuition trade (no pattern signal) |
| Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 776.50 --> + 2.1 | 09:44 |
<intowin> | nice start nih |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 775.30 --> + 4.3 | 09:45 |
<base> | Very nice. |
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<PapaJon> | nice intuition trade niha :) |
<doublejay> | very nice |
<Pepe> | id liketohave intuition like that :) nih | 09:46 |
<jperl> | Done for today....have to leave.....trades here.... | 09:51 |
<NihabaAshi> | We got some key market events at 10am est...should start producing volatility again here soon. |
<jperl> | http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-08-01/JP ERL_018.jpg |
<PapaJon> | nice goin jp |
<jperl> | tx.....a real jacke rabbit morning | 09:52 |
| jack |
<PapaJon> | no kiddin |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 772.50 --> + 7.1 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 772.50 |
<base> | Oh my god. :) | 09:53 |
<szubaark> | Go Niha! |
<ItalianSharp> | wow niha...you are really exploiting this volatility arent you? |
<base> | Have you reached your daily goal in the first trade yet? :) |
<NihabaAshi> | I should be exploiting it more... |
| Will explain after I close this Long position. | 09:54 |
| That's a 2 contract Long. |
<Brutus> | 1000/1400 Jun Pending Home Sales Index -3.5% | 09:55 |
| 1000/1400 Jul ISM Mfg Index |
| Mfg Business Index 55 |
<NihabaAshi> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 773.00 --> + 0.5 | 09:56 |
| My inability to see that "big clues" price has a good chance to retrace against me is a good example in that last trade. |
| Here's the problem that I mention before in which I'll explain now. | 09:57 |
| I do a "a lot" of intermarket analysis and its key to my "intuition trades". |
| FutureSource (my primary data vendor) was purchase by eSignal. | 09:58 |
| Many months ago. |
| This month...eSignal decided to change the symbols to these weird symbols. | 09:59 |
| I'm still in the process of finding the new symbols for many of the key markets I monitor :( |
| Some of these symbols eSignal uses is just "weird". |
| For example...while I was without my DAX quotes (Old symbol DAXU07)... | 10:00 |
| The tech guy didn't even know the new symbol :( | 10:01 |
| Took me an entire week to find out (finally got an answer today)...new symbol is AX+U7-DT | 10:02 |
| :( |
<Awash> | niha, i just figured it out too |
<NihabaAshi> | That new symbol for the DAX makes a lot of sense :) |
| Weird |
<base> | lol |
<Awash> | save this link on the eSignal Symbology Guide | 10:03 |
| http://futuresource.quote.com/transition / |
<NihabaAshi> | The problem with that is that eSignal has many of the Old symbols incorrect. |
| Thus, when you type in the actual Old symbol FutureSource used... | 10:04 |
<Bambam-77> | Shorts ES @ 1461.25 «« paper »» |
<NihabaAshi> | You get back nothing (no info) for the new symbol |
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<NihabaAshi> | Simply, those key markets I follow gives me big clues to dump my position to lock in profits. | 10:05 |
| Lately I've been giving back a lot of profits on profitable trades because I'm essentially trading with "one eye closed" :( |
<PapaJon> | niha try here... http://www.dbc.com/blq/dbc_trading/defau lt.asp?source=central | 10:06 |
<Bambam-77> | Covered all ES Short @ 1459 --> + 2.25 «« paper »» |
<PapaJon> | dont use the "lookup".. just search it out |
<Bambam-77> | choppy as heck | 10:07 |
<AusTrader000> | this market is going nuts this morning.!! |
<Bambam-77> | 62 pos trgt |
<Brutus> | Technical Moving Averages | 10:09 |
| 50-Day 200-Day |
| S&P 1519 1448 |
<NihabaAshi> | Thanks Papa...I have that. | 10:13 |
| eSignal just has updated some of the symbols over at FutureSource. | 10:14 |
<intowin> | short ES @ 1467 |
<NihabaAshi> | Thus, the Old and the new is not working for some stuff...supposibly they will be completed sometime this month :( |
<Awash> | Long ES @ 1466.50 | 10:17 |
<Brutus> | 1030/1430 Jul 27 US Energy Dept Oil Inventories | 10:18 |
| Crude Oil Stocks (in barrels) -1.1M |
| Gasoline Stocks (in barrels) +800K |
| Distillate Stocks (in barrels) +1.5M |
<PapaJon> | niha.. AX u7-dt |
| the Dax | 10:19 |
| anything on eurex has to end with the -dt |
<NihabaAshi> | Papa...I got the DAX :) | 10:20 |
<PapaJon> | ah.. ok.. sorry |
<NihabaAshi> | Those are the easy ones... | 10:21 |
<Awash> | Exited all ES Long @ 1466.75 --> + 0.25 |
<NihabaAshi> | The difficult ones that I need is like the "Dow Jones CBOT Treasury" | 10:22 |
<eminime68> | Anyone knows that DAX symbol on Tradestation? | 10:23 |
<PapaJon> | niha.. here is a list of cbot treasurey contracts | 10:24 |
| http://www.dbc.com/blq/dbc_trading/defau lt.asp?source=central | 10:25 |
| about 3/4 the way down the lists |
<NihabaAshi> | Papa...its an index |
<PapaJon> | ah |
| thought you were looking for the futures | 10:26 |
<NihabaAshi> | I have about 8 other Index that dissappeared in the symbol change over :( |
<intowin> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1460.75 --> + 6.25 | 10:28 |
<NihabaAshi> | Does anyone know the Phi Gold/Silver Index symbol at eSignal ??? | 10:29 |
| Meant the Philadelphia Gold/Silver Index |
<ItalianSharp> | $XAU | 10:30 |
| i think that's the index you are talkin about |
<NihabaAshi> | Yeah...that's in their database but no longer in FutureSource database :( | 10:31 |
<ItalianSharp> | that sucks |
<NihabaAshi> | FutureSource tech guy saids he never heard of it... |
| I told him I've been getting it from them for about 6 years :( |
<ItalianSharp> | why did they change symbol format for future source and left symbols the same for esignal? |
| that is strange to say the least | 10:32 |
<NihabaAshi> | Yep |
| The killer is this...I lost access to my Advance Decline Lines at FutureSource and the eSignal symbols for AD Lines do not work at FutureSource. | 10:35 |
| The AD Lines has help with most of my profits and I don't have access to them as of today :( |
| The sad part is my backup data vendor is Qcharts... | 10:36 |
| eSignal purchased them too. | 10:37 |
| Soon they will change their symbols too :( |
<intowin> | Covered all ES Short @ 1457 --> + 10 |
<PapaJon> | nice trade itw | 10:41 |
<Awash> | nice intw |
<szubaark> | nice into |
<intowin> | ty.. Got my wallet back last night also. Shorted er2 after hours for +6 |
| was a good lessoned learned yesterday. obey stops | 10:42 |
| lets see what it does with this suupport | 10:48 |
<Awash> | opening low held thus far | 10:52 |
<NihabaAshi> | That's B.S. what just happen...no fill at 771.50 :( | 10:58 |
<Brutus> | 08/01/2007 10:56 DJ OIL FUTURES: Crude Hits Record On EIA Data, Then Pares Gain | 10:59 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 769.40 -> small size | 11:00 |
| Covered 2/3 ER2 Short @ 769.00 --> + 0.4 | 11:01 |
| Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 769.30 --> + 0.1 | 11:02 |
| Long ER2 @ 770.20 -> small size |
| I don't have a lot of support for the Long | 11:03 |
| preparing to reverse position | 11:04 |
| raising stop | 11:05 |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 771.30 --> + 1.1 | 11:08 |
<intowin> | Long ES @ 1453 | 11:09 |
<NihabaAshi> | Got lost in the price action on that one...had to dump it. |
<intowin> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1456 --> + 3 | 11:11 |
<Pepe> | Intowin...good trade | 11:12 |
<Awash> | Long ES @ 1456 |
<intowin> | they are all over the board today lol | 11:13 |
<Bambam-77> | protect longs | 11:15 |
| 1455 stp | 11:16 |
| 1461.50 pos trgt | 11:17 |
| trgt hit | 11:19 |
<NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 776.20 -> small size | 11:21 |
| 2 contracts only and will take a break from trading after I close this trade. |
<Bambam-77> | ranges lager today so stops larger or get whipsawed | 11:22 |
| ranges larger |
<intowin> | my internet keeps dropping : ( | 11:24 |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 774.10 --> + 2.1 |
| Going to slow it down and do some more chart symbol updates on my computer workstations (I found 3 more key market index I use) and I'm going to lunch. | 11:28 |
| Be back later... |
* NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_lunch |
<intowin> | Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1455 --> + 2 | 11:30 |
| wanted another 10pter but protecting profits today |
<Awash> | good job intowin |
<szubaark> | nice intowin | 11:31 |
<intowin> | thanks you still in awash? had to reboot |
| seems like they want one more push to the upside then hammer down in the afternoon session | 11:32 |
<Awash> | still Long intowin | 11:33 |
<Brutus> | ES price is rising, big swings on such little volume | 11:34 |
<Awash> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1458.50 --> + 2.5 | 11:41 |
| Exited all ES Long @ 1456.25 --> + 0.25 | 11:51 |
<intowin> | somehow it knows when we dump awash | 11:55 |
<Awash> | Long ES @ 1463 | 11:58 |
| i hate that i exited earlier |
| that sucked |
<intowin> | you and me both that was the +10 I knew I could get | 11:59 |
<Awash> | almost two million contracts traded just in the morning session | 12:01 |
<intowin> | short ES @ 780 | 12:03 |
| er2 |
| just for a scalp |
| Covered all ES Short @ 778.20 --> + 1.8 | 12:05 |
| my command to change to er2 is not working for some reason |
<X> | #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) | 12:07 |
* Awash | is now known as Awash_afk | 12:14 |
<Awash_afk> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1468 --> + 5 | 12:20 |
* Awash_afk | is now known as Awash |
<Pepe> | Exit lunch...and Lets go trade | 13:01 |
<Bambam-77> | Long ES @ 12456 «« paper »» | 13:05 |
| looking for a long here1459.25 break | 13:07 |
<intowin> | you long bam? | 13:10 |
| waiting for cat bounce to short. what r u guys seeing? | 13:31 |
<Bambam-77> | 1459 pos trgt | 13:32 |
<Brutus> | I think this afternoon is going to be the start of an extended swing up leg. If it does get going we will have a good gap up in the morning | 13:34 |
<Pepe> | Bambam are you still long? | 13:35 |
| Now it will be short :) |
<Bambam-77> | i want 59 | 13:36 |
| or stp |
<Pepe> | :) |
<Bambam-77> | 1456 |
<Pepe> | yes |
| I have PUT otion. I want ES 1400 :) | 13:37 |
<Bambam-77> | still long they tried to get my last lot | 13:40 |
<Pepe> | 1460 ES | 13:41 |
<Bambam-77> | could go to 61.5 |
| anyone here use keltner channels | 13:42 |
<Pepe> | what is keltner channels? |
<Bambam-77> | that answers my question |
<Pepe> | :) | 13:43 |
<Bambam-77> | what platform you trading on pepe | 13:44 |
| for charts |
<Pepe> | Interactive trader TWS platform | 13:47 |
| but I use Genesis |
| Genesis trade navigator |
<Bambam-77> | for charts |
| Long ES @ xxx «« paper »» | 13:49 |
<Pepe> | For chart I have Genesis | 13:50 |
<Bambam-77> | does it have keltner channels |
<Pepe> | I will see |
| yes you have right, In genesis there are any keltner channels, keltner Lower band and keltner Upper band and MovingAvg | 13:52 |
<Bambam-77> | great | 13:54 |
| i use 3 keltner channels |
<Pepe> | as machanic system? | 14:01 |
| mechanic system? |
| or discresenery? | 14:02 |
* NihabaAshi_lunch | is now known as NihabaAshi | 14:03 |
<werner> | gn all | 14:11 |
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<Pepe> | gn werner | 14:15 |
| short NQ @ 1938 | 14:16 |
| How I can write red text or blue text? | 14:18 |
<Brutus> | Long ES @ 1454.25 «« paper »» | 14:19 |
| exit stop set ES @ 1451.25 «« paper »» |
| exit stop set ES @ 1452.5 «« paper »» | 14:25 |
<Pepe> | Exited all NQ Short @ 1939 --> - 1.00 | 14:29 |
| time stop | 14:30 |
| market are going straight | 14:31 |
| no action |
| :( |
<Brutus> | exit stop set ES @ 1454.25 «« paper »» | 14:33 |
| Exited ES Long @ 1554.25 --> + 100 «« paper »» | 14:37 |
| yeah -/ |
| 1454.25 |
| Exited ES Long @ 1454.25 --> 0 «« paper »» | 14:38 |
<NihabaAshi> | Looks like the retail traders are playing the past 1 hour range. | 14:43 |
| As soon as a say that...ER2 breaks below the support of that range :) | 14:44 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 771.40 -> small size |
| 1 only because thish thing can bounce back up very easily. |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 771.90 --> - 0.5 | 14:46 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 771.90 |
| At least the volatility has returned. | 14:47 |
<Pepe> | what formation? |
<NihabaAshi> | No formation | 14:48 |
<Pepe> | pattern? |
<NihabaAshi> | None |
<Pepe> | or intuition? |
<NihabaAshi> | Yep :) |
| Just jumping on to the direction price and volatility is moving... | 14:49 |
<Pepe> | :) |
<NihabaAshi> | Then I try to hold one to the bronco. |
| one = on |
<Pepe> | I like your intuition. :) |
<NihabaAshi> | It took many years to develop. | 14:50 |
<szubaark> | Patterns get exploited real fast in this market :)) |
<NihabaAshi> | In the beginning...intuition trading was a consistent loser for me. |
<Pepe> | Nihaba how I can learn it? | 14:51 |
<NihabaAshi> | Watching the charts for many years is one thing. |
| Trading the same trading instrument for many years is another thing. |
| Knowing your psychological weakness/strength when trading. | 14:52 |
<Pepe> | And only price action? (No indicators) |
<NihabaAshi> | Keep losees small and try to let winners run further than your losses. |
<intowin> | Long ES @ 771.80 | 14:53 |
<NihabaAshi> | Yeah...price action only. |
<Pepe> | How many years watchng chart? |
<intowin> | Exited all ES Long @ 771 --> - 0.8 |
<NihabaAshi> | If your using indicators...tough to prevent them from having impact on your trade decisions. | 14:54 |
| I'm still on this bronco :) |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 771.90 --> 0 | 14:57 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 771.90 |
| Will correct when I exit... |
<Pepe> | How long I learn your STR manual for understanding all your method in this manual? |
<NihabaAshi> | Pepe...your talking in the wrong room about that stuff. |
<Pepe> | ok |
<NihabaAshi> | Posting corrections... | 14:58 |
| Long ER2 @ 771.90 -> small size | 14:59 |
| Exited ER2 Long @ 770.90 --> - 1 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 770.90 |
* Awash_afk | is now known as Awash | 15:00 |
<Awash> | . |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 767.90 --> + 3 | 15:07 |
| Volatility spike but I wasn't fast enough to get Long around 768.00 | 15:08 |
| ER2 volatility dropping fast...I'm expecting a volatility spike here soon. | 15:25 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 769.00 -> small size | 15:26 |
<Pepe> | intuition? |
<NihabaAshi> | Covered ER2 Short @ 770.90 --> - 1.9 | 15:28 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 770.90 |
| Long ER2 @ 771.90 -> Add |
| Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 773.50 --> + 1.6 | 15:32 |
| Good bronco on this one. | 15:33 |
| It almost shook me off a few times :) |
| Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 771.50 --> + 0.6 | 15:37 |
| Got shook. | 15:38 |
| Target area was 775.00 |
| :( | 15:40 |
| Did anyone just get a data burst in ER2 when it jump over 775.00 ??? | 15:44 |
| It jumped 5 ticks on my system via going from 774.80 to 775.30 from one tick to the next tick :( | 15:45 |
| I'm suspecting I have data problems. |
<Pepe> | I have no data problem...now. | 15:46 |
<Brutus> | It move very fast Niha some 500 contract bursts | 15:48 |
<NihabaAshi> | Thanks...I have 3 contracts at 774.80 and then the next tick shows 2 contracts at 775.30 |
| :( | 15:49 |
| I know there's something big in between. |
| My system just doesn't have it. |
| Long ER2 @ 772.80 -> small size | 15:50 |
| Long ER2 @ 776.80 -> small size | 15:51 |
| corrected |
| This is getting absurd. | 15:54 |
| Exited all ER2 Long @ 780.30 --> + 3.5 | 15:55 |
| This is NOT TRADING... |
| It's an Arm Robbery!!! | 15:56 |
| Feels like I'm in a bank telling the teller give me all your money :) |
<intowin> | holy cow my internet went out and what is this? | 15:57 |
<NihabaAshi> | Gotta love this volatility...its better than March. |
<intowin> | did you stay in that long Niha? 770 area? | 15:58 |
<NihabaAshi> | I got shook but I did jump back on that bronco. | 15:59 |
<intowin> | nice |
| cant believe I watched all day and it rained which took my sattelite out at the worse time. I was long at 770 but covered due to no sattelite | 16:00 |
| this might be one to hold overnight.. |
<NihabaAshi> | This reminds me of the Eminis many years ago soon after their birth. | 16:05 |
| I remember when ES oscillated in a 15 point range and we called it a range day back then :) |
<intowin> | unreal 30 pts in es in 30 minutes. I got some of it and will hold one contract overnight... cu guys tommorow.. | 16:07 |
<NihabaAshi> | Anybody notice these big Volatility/Volume burst in one interval over the past trading days...its consistent. | 16:08 |
| It's occurring towards the end of the trading day is what I meant. |
| Today it happen between 4:00pm - 4:03pm est for the stock closing. | 16:09 |
| Same as prior trading days... |
| A lot of dollars is moving around 4pm est. |
| It's looks like an 1.3x increase in the volume around 4pm est | 16:11 |
<Brutus> | ============ U.S. MARKETS ACTION =========== | 16:12 |
| DJIA up 156.31 points to 13368.30 |
| NASDAQ up 4.06 points to 2550.33 |
| S&P 500 up 9.29 points to 1464.56 |
| 10-year T-note down 12/32 at 97 26/32 yield 4.772 |
| NYMEX Spot Crude down $1.68 at $76.53/bbl at close |
| Dollar/Euro down 0.0014 at 4.1669 |
| US JULY AUTO SALES SLIDE; TOYOTA OUTSELLS FORD | 16:13 |
| Ford Motor posts a 19.1% plunge in July U.S. auto sales to 195,245 cars and trucks, with the auto maker slashing its rental car sales in half. Analysts were looking for a decline of about 10%. Toyota's July sales fall 7.3%, but the company manages to gain ground on Ford in the battle for the title of No. 2 U.S. auto maker. General Motors July U.S. light-vehicle sales fall 22.3% to 315,870. Chrysler sales slide 8% to 13 |
| US HOME-SALES GAUGE RISES, MANUFACTURING SLOWS Index for pending sales of existing homes rises by 5.0% to 102.4 in June from May's 97.5, its first gain since February, likely helped by warm weather in May and June. ISM's July manufacturing index slips more than expected to 53.8, from 56.0 in June. |
| Friday, August 3, 2007 Exp Prev |
| ET/GMT |
| 0830/1230 Jul Non-farm Payrolls +132K |
| 0830/1230 Jul Unemployment Rate 4.5% |
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<NihabaAshi> | VIX 60 min chart put in a big down interval for its last interval. | 16:20 |
| If nothing changes in the general market overnight info nor in the pre-market price action before 0930am est... |
| I'll be bearish out of the gate tomorrow. | 16:21 |
| Thus, my bias will only manage my position size (large to normal on Shorts and small on Longs). |
* DisconnectedSession | Close: Wed Aug 01 17:53:59 2007 | 17:53 |
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