July 10th Monday 2006 Trade Log

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Trading Perspective

I actually felt prior to the start of the trading day it was going to be a tough day of trading.

However, I had plenty of chances to become profitable and let a few trades that were in the profit column by more than a point...retrace back against me and forcing me out of the trade for a tiny profit.

Simply, I got greedy and the market told me that she determines my profit level and not me.

By the way, July and August are typically low profitable trading months for me due to vacations and extra time off from the market.

Today's results (real money and simulator trading) shown above are that of NihabaAshi only. To see his total accumulated points for the month of July...click here. To see results for the months of 2006 and prior years...click here.

Commentary by M.A. Perry (a.k.a. NihabaAshi)  

Note: Each month there are a few trading days that we consider to involve interconnecting key price action of different markets and you can view the charts associated with the key price action along with their stories at our key chart story archives.


Session Start: Mon Jul 10 09:18:30 2006Session Ident: #futurestrades
* Now talking in #futurestrades09:18
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<PapaJon> gm all09:23
<eminitrader> morn pj09:31
<Awash> morning all
<NihabaAshi> I don't see any signs of a continuation pattern upwards...
Thus, my bias is bearish so far.
<les>  Shorts ER2 @ 714.8 paper
<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 714.30 -> small size
<les>  Covered 2/3 ER2 Short @ 714.3 --> + 0.5 paper
<les>  exit stop moved to breakeven ER2 @ 714.8 paper

Trailing Stop Hit ER2 @ 714.8 --> 0 paper
<NihabaAshi>  Covered ER2 Short @ 716.00 --> - 1.7 09:33
Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 716.00
Will not be adding to any Long positions...only short positions will get adds.
<eminitrader>  Shorts ES @ 1278.25 09:34
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 716.20 --> + 0.2
Shorts ER2 @ 716.50 -> large size 09:35
Covered ER2 Short @ 717.50 --> - 1 09:38
Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 717.50
<eminitrader>  Shorts ES @ 1279.25 -> Add
<NihabaAshi>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 717.70 --> + 0.2 09:40
Shorts ER2 @ 718.10 -> large size 09:41
Covered 2/3 ER2 Short @ 716.30 --> + 1.8 09:45
That gets me profitable for the day but sill not where I want to be.
<Awash>  Shorts ES or YM @ 1279.50 paper 09:46
<NihabaAshi> A 715.00 price area for this trade would be a good area for the remainders in this trade.
Also, I forgot there's a 10am est key economic report and didn't expect the current volatility level.09:47
I was expecting a drift downwards on low volatility due to all the "Bill Auctions" today.09:49
<eminitrader>  Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1278.25 --> + 1 09:55
<NihabaAshi> ER2 fighting hard to keep its gains while having signs of exhaustion.09:58
Tightning up my trailing stops :(09:59
Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 717.70 --> + 0.4 10:00
Shorts ER2 @ 717.20 -> small size 10:03
2 contracts only
I lost my bearish bias.
Covered ER2 Short @ 718.20 --> - 1 10:05
Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 718.20
Exited all ER2 Long @ 718.90 --> + 0.7 10:08
Shorts ER2 @ 718.70 -> small size 10:09
<Awash>  Covered all ES or YM Short @ 1281 --> - 1.5 paper
<NihabaAshi> 2 contracts only
Looking for 3-5 ticks and then I'm taking a break...will do the same if its a loser.10:10
I think this is slowly developing into a "creeper uptrend".10:11
Covered all ER2 Short @ 719.20 --> - 0.5 10:12
Be back later...creeper uptrends usually turn into a ba trading day.10:13
Hopefully some volatilty occurs when I return because its now starting to decline.10:14
* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away
<Awash>  Shorts ES or YM @ 1279.75 paper 10:19
<X>  #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY)10:27
<eminitrader>  Shorts ES @ 1280.75 -> Add 10:29
* szubaark_away is now known as szubaark10:30
<szubaark> looks like i havent missed much LOL
<codehead> YM cci couldn't get over the 10010:33

made a stab at hod, but lacked the buying conviction to do it--we need ot pb10:34

short YM 11211 <paper>10:40

stop 1122610:41
<Awash2> test10:42
* Awash2 is now known as Awash10:46
<codehead> exit YM -3 <paper>10:47
signal rolled over and 8 min YM cci zlr
<les>  Long ER2 @ 719.3 paper 10:50
<szubaark>  Long NQ @ 1551.50 10:51
<les>  Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 719.8 --> + 0.5 paper

Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 719.8 --> + 0.5 paper 10:52
<eminitrader>  Covered all ES Short @ 1281.75 --> - 4.5
<les>  exit stop raised ER2 @ 719.4 paper
<Awash>  Covered all ES or YM Short @ 1281.50 --> - 1.75 paper
Long ES or YM @ 1281.75 paper 10:53
<les>  Long ER2 @ 720.5 -> Add paper 10:55

Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 720.7 --> + 1.6 paper 10:57
<WannaBeBOS> x11:00
<les>  Long ER2 @ 721.4 paper 11:01
<szubaark>  Exited all NQ Long @ 1550.25 --> - 1.25 11:05
Shorts NQ @ 1550.25
<les>  Exited all ER2 Long @ 720 --> - 1.4 paper
<codehead> naz didn't get close to retesting the dbl top so far11:06
* les is now known as lesAway11:09
<Awash>  Exited all ES or YM Long @ 1280.50 --> - 1.25 paper 11:13
<szubaark>  exit stop moved to breakeven NQ @ 1550.25

NQ low test of deck11:14
<cmrodrig> Short ER2 @719.60 <<paper>>11:15
<Awash>  Shorts ES or YM @ 1280.25 paper 11:32
<cmrodrig> test11:35
<szubaark> code.. CCI doing shamu here at RL

<cmrodrig> Cover short ER2 @718.8 --> +.8 <<paper>>11:36
<eminitrader>  Long ES @ 1279.50 11:37
<X>  #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY)11:39
<eminitrader>  Exited all ES Long @ 1279 --> - 0.5 11:41
<szubaark>  Covered all NQ Short @ 1544.75 --> + 5.5 11:46
<eminitrader> nice one szu:)
<Awash> nice Szu
<eminitrader> looks like u r doing a lot better in the nq than the ym :)11:47
<szubaark> thanks. emini, My Results "So Far" have doubled since moving to NQ.
<eminitrader> good for u szu
keep it going :))11:48
<szubaark>  Long NQ @ 1545.50 11:51
<cmr> a11:52
szu: I lost connection after asking what signals to u use to trade NQ?11:56
<eminitrader>  Shorts ES @ 1279.75
<szubaark> cmr.. i use a lot of stuff ive learned over the years. CCI,candlesticks,Price Action
<codehead> naz close the gap back to flat, see if it can bounce11:59
<Awash>  exit stop set ES or YM @ 1280 paper 12:02
<eminitrader>  Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1278.25 --> + 1.5 12:03
<szubaark> nice emini12:04
<eminitrader> thx szu ..still in the red for today :(
<Awash>  Covered all ES or YM Short @ 1277.75 --> + 2.5 paper 12:06
<eminitrader>  Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1277.75 --> + 2 12:09
* NihabaAshi_away is now known as NihabaAshi12:12
<szubaark>  Exited all NQ Long @ 1541.50 --> - 4 12:15

Long NQ @ 1543.25 12:18
<pdays>  Shorts ER2 @ 717.8 paper
<NihabaAshi>  Shorts ER2 @ 718.10 -> small size 12:20

Covered ER2 Short @ 718.90 --> - 0.8 12:23

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 718.90

Reversed into a 3 contract position
<pdays>  Covered all ER2 Short @ 719.1 --> - 1.3 paper
<NihabaAshi> Tought trade.

Looking for a minimum of 3 ticks to counter the prior trade loss and then I will be looking for a Short position.12:26

ER2 losing its volatility :(12:34
<eminitrader>  Shorts ES @ 1279.25
<NihabaAshi>  Long ER2 @ 718.40 -> Add 12:36

Added a contract...risky but overall size still small.12:37

When volatility gets this low in ER2...it usually does a WRB spike (up or down).12:41
* patternz is now known as wherewolf12:42
* wherewolf is now known as patternz
<szubaark> just what NQ did..Huge red WRB
<NihabaAshi> Now I'm starting to regret taking an early lunch so that I can come back and trade during normal lunch hours.12:44

Dark WRB on ER2 :(12:49
<szubaark>  Exited all NQ Long @ 1543.25 --> 0
nuts price action
* patternz is now known as wherewolf12:51
<NihabaAshi> szu...its lunch...I'm not expecting a whole lot of action...I just don't want the chop to be this tight.
* wherewolf is now known as patternz
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<szubaark>  Shorts NQ @ 1543.75
<eminitrader>  Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1278.25 --> + 1 12:54
<NihabaAshi>  Exited ER2 Long @ 716.70 --> - 2.2 and - 1.7

Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 716.70


Shorts ER2 @ 716.50 -> Add 13:00

Large position now.13:01
<eminitrader>  Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1277 --> + 2.25
<NihabaAshi> May add again if momentum picks up...volatilty still too low to get a good feel on this.

So I've only seen two WRB spikes since 1218pm est.13:02

Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 715.80 --> + 0.7 13:05
<eminitrader>  Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1277.25 --> + 2 13:08
looks like i got shook out :(13:09
<NihabaAshi> I had two key price levels for when I was trading today...

Longs with the goal of 722 or Shorts with the goal of 715

So far I haven't reached either today :(
<eminitrader> typical july action..at least on the es13:10
<szubaark> Niha are those 722/715 WRB S/R ZONES?
<NihabaAshi> What the market did while I was gone was unimportant :)
Tightning up my trailing stop.13:11
Doesn't look like I'm going to get that 715 price zone.
szu...sort'uv and based upon the price action after 2pm on during Friday's trading session.13:12
<szubaark>  Covered all NQ Short @ 1539.50 --> + 4.25 13:14
<aym> Buy ES @ 1276.5 risk 213:15
<NihabaAshi> If ER2 reaches the 715 level...

Then the greed factor kicks in...
<szubaark> had to exit due to repair man..
* szubaark is now known as szubaark_away
<NihabaAshi> I will be looking at my losses on the day and how much of a stomach I still have for trading to determine if I want to stay in this Short position to attempt to capture more.13:16
ER2 volatility drying up again :(13:17
Looking for another WRB spike soon.
Hopefully it goes my way.
I see a weak white hammer line but even those spook me a little when I'm short.13:26
Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 716.10 --> + 0.6 13:27
I'm done for the day...will take my losses and call it quits.13:28
* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away13:33
<X>  #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY)14:04
<Awash> no buying interest at lows14:16


Long ES or YM @ 11187 paper 14:26

Exited all ES or YM Long @ 11173 --> - 14 paper 14:31
<eminitrader>  Long ES @ 1274 14:40
Exited all ES Long @ 1273.50 --> - 0.5 14:41
<codehead> long ER 712.00 <paper>14:48

1 pt stop

exit half ER +.50 <paper> stop b/e on remainder14:52

stopped on remainder--took too long to type
<Awash> Code, you tried using the trade posting script?14:53
<eminitrader>  Long ES @ 1273 14:56
<codehead> on a mac--i had written a very nice trading script in AppleTalk, but lost it when my computers were stolen14:57
haven't had time to rewrite14:58
had real nice features too :-/
could manage trading multiple sysmbols at the same time, and could add new symbols on the fly14:59
<Awash> ok15:00
<codehead> naz maybe bounce15:02
it's has completely lacked bouncability so far15:03
<Awash> no signs of trend reversal in Naz

sell limit to enter short ES or YM @ 1275 paper 15:13
<codehead> long YM 11166 <paper>15:15
<X>  #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY)15:16
<codehead> tried for 51 and 52 for real, missed, don't want ti this high
however, friend says bond close signal bullish
<Awash>  Shorts ES or YM @ 11173 paper 15:17
<eminitrader>  Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1275 --> + 2 15:18
<codehead> exit half YM +10 <paper> stop b/e on remainder
<Awash>  Shorts ES or YM @ 1275 paper
<eminitrader>  Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1276 --> + 3 15:24
<codehead> raise stop YM paper to 1117615:25
exit YM reminader +16 <paper>
stop watching15:26
<eminitrader>  Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1276 --> + 3 15:36
<Awash>  Covered all ES or YM Short @ 11170 --> - 9895 paper 15:59
<codehead> wow

<Awash> + 3 for YM
going flat in ES soon16:00
<codehead> i made enough to buy a sandwich are commish today :-P
<Awash> :)
<codehead> lol
<Awash> it's been a tough session for me too
<codehead> i jsut knew we were going for gap fill aftter loss of 11200 and naz horrid16:01

but didn't take it, oh well
<Awash> tomorrow's another session
<codehead> yup
<Awash> we can kick butt tomorrow16:02
<codehead> i started a friend trading futs...

i knew he'd be good at it

he's made a few k a day, 900+ today... but...

wow, i'm trying to talk him out of averaging down

he had to avg down 30 Ym contracts and escape +2 on a bounce

cuz he started buying at 11205--gulp16:03
<Awash> Surely he's following his trading system?
<codehead> he's traded stocks a lot, and some OEX

he knows he's doing bad here, he just need to work on it
<Awash>  Covered all ES or YM Short @ 1275.50 --> - 0.5 paper 16:04
<codehead> mentioned earlier that bond close signal was bullish

so a bit of a bounce expected, short term signal
<Awash> how's your trading code?16:05
<codehead> i've been plus after commish like 18 of last 20 days16:06

however, *small*

i'm being too careful

need to relax, but really i'm happy to take my time for now without draining account16:07
<Awash> excluding P/L, what about your thoughts on your entries, psychology, and trade management?
<codehead> entries have been good, psychology horrible
<Awash> k
<codehead> i patiently wait for my entry price--that part is good16:08
<Awash> got any techniques to control how your psyche is affecting you?
<codehead> then second guess myself and often miss it, or get in higher and then tighten my stop quickly to exit with a few ticks

well... i think i need time16:09

about 4 weeks ago i mismanaged a trade

had the right idea, but hadn't been trading futs account and forgot how thin the account was

went max long, stopped out with some damage, and it (ER) bounce 25 points16:10
<Awash> what about your stop?
<codehead> would have been fine with fewer contract--was a money management problem, i never even got nervous about the trade
<Awash> your stop didn't help out or take you out?16:11
<codehead> well, in that case i recognized the wash-out bottom, so i left a wide stop
<Awash> as long as you learned something from that trade
<codehead> it just hit, then i couldn't buy the contracts back due to fund depletion, even though i knew that was the bottom :-P

yeah, money management16:12

it's (almost) everything
<Awash> don't worry, sounds like you've learned something since then, right?
<codehead> as pennance, i decided to carefully trade account back up, hence my current timid trading

yes, i really don't feel bad about it

look at the long run16:13

how is your trading?
<Awash> situations like that happen but truly you can't be timid (show FEAR) in this market
trading is about making decisions in the face of extreme uncertainty
<codehead> i would not be trading so timid if i just add funds to my account, but so far in my futs trading, every time i add funds i use it as an excuse to trade reckless16:14
<Awash> really?!!!
<codehead> so this time i'm just nipping away to higher account, will move back to two contracts when it's a bit higher, etc.16:15

yeah, all my worst trading has been when i've added funds

all of them--i'm not sure why...

it should simple allow me to use realistic stops, but it changes my trading habits instead16:16
<Awash> yeah, this is a challenging game
i'm not the one to give advice but have you thought of taking a break
<codehead> well, actually the way i've been trading lately i consider a break16:17

i don't mean to sound like i'm stressed about it
<Awash> i understand16:18
<codehead> actually, i trade stocks a lot--really need to put that on hold because i get too many stock alarms from alert points i set

drives me nuts--lol
<Awash> :)
<codehead> how are you doing?
<Awash> I'm okay
i stopped trading in Dec '04 and I just came back this June16:19
<codehead> what are you tradingmainly ES?

<Awash> i'm just trying to work back into following my system
* NihabaAshi_away is now known as NihabaAshi
<NihabaAshi> I don't expect trading to improve until Wednesday.
<Awash> tweaking my setups, learning the movement of the market, etc
<NihabaAshi> Take care all and see all tomorrow.
<Awash> later Niha16:20
<eminitrader> bye niha
<NihabaAshi> I'll be keeping my position size on the low side tomorrow as I did today just in case things don't go so well :(
* DisconnectedSession Close: Mon Jul 10 16:20:46 2006

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