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#FuturesTrades June 20th Friday 2008 Trade Log

Russell 2000 Emini ER2 Futures

Today	Month	Year
+7.60	+177.60	+1886.60
$760	$17,760	$188,660

Emini EMD

1000am - 1003am est

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Today's Observation: I'm still testing (simulator) the Photon Trader trade execution platform June 18th Weds - June 30th Mon to determine if the software and broker (Futurepath Trading) will become one of my backup brokers to replace a backup broker I'm no longer satisfy with.

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Session Start: Fri Jun 20 08:44:30 2008Session Ident: #futurestrades

* Now talking in #futurestrades 08:44

<@X> [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm

<KN-ES> Long ES @ 1331.75 08:45

<+KN-ES> Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1332.75 --> + 1 08:47

<palmer> morning KN

<+KN-ES> S.L .75

gm palmer

<pat255> gm kn vn start

<+palmer> u are on the ball early lol 08:48

<+KN-ES> thanks

<rickf> gm all

<+rickf> anyone lose their dax feed? 08:50

am frozen at 6670.5

<jsbach> mine frozen too... 08:51

<+jsbach> no there is goes again

6697 08:52

<+rickf> still frozen -- owell no dax for me :(

<+KN-ES> we need to break 35.50 res for a confirmed uptrend 08:53

<tzar> hi KN-ES

<+KN-ES> 29.75 is the sup at this momennt, but dosnt look good....... 22.50 is the next strong support 08:55

hi tzar

very low volume

<+tzar> soon it will come .. at 9.30 est

<T-stop> tks KN, gm

<+KN-ES> took me twice to get filled, dont think ever happen in the first hr 08:56

gm T-stop

Exited 1 ES Long @ 1333.25 --> + 1.5 08:58

bush is coming on TV in 4 min............ some sure shorts :) 09:00

<+jsbach> lol 09:01

<+rickf> happy quad-witch all

<+KN-ES> we should pay republicans to and not to come on TV depending on the market

:)

<+pat255> lol 09:02

<anglo> gm

<+KN-ES> gm anglo 09:04

<@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm 09:08

<startrader> Best politian on tv trading day ever, day Rumsfeld resigned, Nov 8, 2006. Started a 4 month upmove 09:09

<+tzar> morning startrader

<+KN-ES> Exited 2 ES Long @ 1334.75 --> + 3

h6

<+palmer> what's h6? 09:10

<+tzar> holding 6 contracts

<+rickf> fyi i will be out all next week - heading to boston to teach a class

<+KN-ES> Exited 1 ES Long @ 1335.25 --> + 3.5

<+rickf> no trades for me :(

nice kn

<+KN-ES> h5

thanks

<+startrader> morning, I have a memory like rainman.

<+tzar> yw

heh

<@NihabaAshi> Good morning all...I will be very little trading today due to some personal stuff that needs to be done with the family related to a one day only sale on kid bikes. 09:11

<+tzar> gm niha 09:12

<+pat255> gm N 09:13

<+KN-ES> Exited 1 ES Long @ 1335.75 --> + 4 09:14

<@NihabaAshi> Simply, I'll been in and out all day. Hopefully, I can squeeze in some simulator trades today. I'll also leave my Camtasia recorder on to record what's occurring on my monitors.

<werner> gm all 09:16

<drt> gm all 09:20

<+anglo> [08:55] <+KN-ES> took me twice to get filled, dont think ever happen in the first hr 09:22

this was a limit order?

<+KN-ES> yes 09:27

<+anglo> ty bro 09:29

<+KN-ES> Exited ES Long @ 1333.25 --> + 1.5

Reverse and Enter Short ES @ 1333.25

<PapaJon> gm all

<+KN-ES> Covered 3/4 ES Short @ 1332.25 --> + 1 09:30

Covered ES Short @ 133.00 --> + 1200.25

Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 133.00

Long ES @ 1333.00

Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1334 --> + 1

s.l .50

<+rickf> short es 1333.25 paper 09:31

<+KN-ES> hit and out 09:32

<@NihabaAshi> Wow...another weird fill

Went Long when quotes showed 733.10 and got filled at 733.70 09:33

ER2 has gone above 733.20 since my entry

Menat it Has NOT

Long ER2 @ 733.70 -> medium size «« simulator Photon Trader »» 09:34

Exited ER2 Long @ 732.90 --> - 0.8 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+KN-ES> Shorts ES @ 1332.25

<@NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 732.30 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »» 09:35

<+KN-ES> Covered 3/4 ES Short @ 1331.75 --> + 0.5

<@NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 732.00 --> + 0.3 «« simulator Photon Trader »» 09:36

<szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1332 «« paper »»

<+KN-ES> s.l 1

<@NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 733.30 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »» 09:37

<+KN-ES> Covered 2 ES Short @ 1331.75 --> + 0.5

<Flex> gm 09:38

<+rickf> exit 1/2 es 1331.25 +2 paper

<+silo> Shorts ER2 @ 732 «« paper »»

<+rickf> h6

<+KN-ES> Covered 2 ES Short @ 1330.75 --> + 1.5

h5 09:39

<@NihabaAshi> Exited ER2 Long @ 731.50 --> - 1.8 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+rickf> exit 1/2 es 1331.25 +2 paper

h3

<+szubaark> nice rick 09:40

<+rickf> ty

<+KN-ES> nice trade rickf

<+rickf> thx

* subq -=market profile charts for today=- http://www.charthub.com/chart/search/mpc hart

<@NihabaAshi> I've been documenting these strange order fills that's "common place" on contract size between 6 - 9 contracts 09:41

The strange fills do not occur on size less than 6 contracts

<+silo> Covered ER2 Short @ 733.40 --> - 1.4 «« paper »»

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 733.40 «« paper »»

<+rickf> exit es remainder 1332.75 +.50 paper

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1332.25 --> - 0.25 «« paper »» 09:42

<+rickf> short es 31.75 paper

<+silo> Exited all ER2 Long @ 733.10 --> - 0.3 «« paper »»

<+PapaJon> niha... are these mkt orders or lmt orders?

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1330.25 «« paper »»

<+silo> market 09:43

i'm sure

<@NihabaAshi> Large size again while ER2 was ticking down from 733.00 to 732.60...got filled @ 733.70

<+KN-ES> Covered 1 ES Short @ 1329.25 --> + 3

<@NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 733.70 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+rickf> exit 1/2 es 29.25 +2.50 paper

h4

<+silo> Shorts ER2 @ 731.60 «« paper »»

<@NihabaAshi> PapaJon...market orders 09:44

<+PapaJon> ok...

<+werner> djeez market is fast

move

<+rickf> exit es remainder 29.75 +2 paper

profits hit 09:45

<+werner> nice rickf

<+rickf> :)

<+KN-ES> 29+- are is very weak......shold see 27.25 ..

:)

nice rickf

<@NihabaAshi> Photon Trader quotes are accurate...just strange fills on market orders far away from the price

<+rickf> thx all

<+KN-ES> nxt tp 27.25, brb

<@NihabaAshi> Simply, if I go live in this program...I would be VERY SCARED to do some size. 09:46

<+PapaJon> er2 is very jumpy

<+silo> try openEcry

i'm telling ya

:)

<+anglo> that puts the nail in the coffin for me niha, sorry I suggested it. 09:47

<+silo> Covered ER2 Short @ 733.60 --> - 2 «« paper »»

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 733.60 «« paper »»

Long ER2 @ 733.80 «« paper »»

suposed to be an add

<@NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 733.00 -> Add «« simulator Photon Trader »» 09:48

<pdays> Long ER2 @ 732.9 «« paper »»

<+silo> vix gapped down

:)

<@NihabaAshi> sorry...not a late confirmation...just me posting a late trade to see how this thing handles when I up the size even more.

Exiting all right now to see how the fills occurs... 09:49

Exited all ER2 Long @ 734.00 --> + 1.3 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

Hmmm.

<+pdays> Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 734. --> + 1.1 «« paper »»

<+silo> ?

how did it fill this time

<@NihabaAshi> Problem not existing on the Exits with a very large size.

Just on the Entries

<+silo> Long ER2 @ 734.40 -> Add «« paper »» 09:50

vxn broke out

<@NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 734.50 -> small size «« simulator Photon Trader »»

Will call it quits here soon to head out to the bike store with family... 09:52

Will be back later to continue trading.

<+pat255> enjoy..

<+silo> Exited all ER2 Long @ 733.20 --> - 1.8 «« paper »»

<@NihabaAshi> I have stops in place via the charts (not it's matrix which has problems so far for me) and will come back later to post the results if those stops were hit and if the trade executed properly. 09:53

Talk to all later. 09:54

<lumenPharmer> Niha new bike for the little one?

<@NihabaAshi> Yeah

<+lumenPharmer> nice

<@NihabaAshi> For spouse too

* NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away

<+lumenPharmer> have fun :)

<+rickf> short es 1330.25 paper sm sz

exit 1330 +,25 paper 09:56

missed my original exit :(

<+szubaark> yeah real jumpy

<+rickf> long 6EU8 155.53 paper 10:00

<+KN-ES> 1328.75 add

large

Covered 3/4 ES Short @ 1327.75 --> + 4.5

h 5+ 4 10:01

<+szubaark> nice KN

<+startrader> Long NQ @ 1956.50

<+KN-ES> s.l for 28.75 1.50

thanks

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1327.50 --> + 2.75 «« paper »»

<+rickf> nice szu

<+szubaark> thanks 10:02

<+KN-ES> Covered 2 ES Short @ 1327.25 --> + 5

<+rickf> exit 6EU8 155.60 + 7 ticks paper

<+KN-ES> h 3 + 4

<nqcruiser> brothas good morning 10:03

<+anglo> gm nq

<+startrader> Exited all NQ Long @ 1953 --> - 3.5

<+KN-ES> Covered 1 ES Short @ 1325.75 --> + 6.5 10:04

<+rickf> sheesh i exited that too early

<+KN-ES> h 2 + 4

<+szubaark> Buys ES @ 1326 «« paper »»

<+werner> wow

<+KN-ES> Covered 2 ES Short @ 1325.25 --> + 7

h 4

<+werner> vn

<+KN-ES> Covered 1 ES Short @ 1324.25 --> + 8 10:05

<+nqcruiser> ES u will corner the market 1 day

buy cl 10:06

<+KN-ES> h3

lookign for 22.50 +-

<+rickf> short es 24.75 paper sm sz 10:07

<+startrader> Long NQ @ 1948.50

<+pdays> Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 731.1 --> - 1.8 «« paper »»

<+KN-ES> we should see 27.75 again

<+nqcruiser> r u long KN 10:13

<+KN-ES> :)

i m short here

but using other account for long 10:14

trying to squzze everthing from this morning moves

<+nqcruiser> out cl -20

<+KN-ES> these

<+szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 1326 --> 0 «« paper »» 10:15

<+rickf> exit es 26,25 b/e (doubled down) 10:17

<+KN-ES> so weh have 1327.75

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1327.25 «« paper »»

<+KN-ES> now interesting...... to see.........if trend changes 10:18

<+startrader> Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1953.50 --> + 5

<+KN-ES> nice job star

<+tzar> vn silo

startrader

oops

<+startrader> ty 10:19

<+nqcruiser> ok i will trade Cl today

<+KN-ES> it already had a 400+ ticks move

be careful......it may not go anywere far from there

<+nqcruiser> 400+?

i am in not a longterm investor 10:20

i am in it for few tick

<+KN-ES> it is up by 4+ dollars

thats 400+ ticks

<+nqcruiser> 34.86 my target

<+startrader> Exited Remainder NQ Long @ 1953.50 --> + 5

<+tzar> nice startrader 10:21

<+nqcruiser> whats a good stop for cl

y dont u do cl and we cruise it together

<+startrader> Shorts NQ @ 1955.25

<+nqcruiser> i am up +10

<+KN-ES> nice

nqcruiser

<+rickf> chop chop

<+KN-ES> i dont get fill in CL, vol is way low compare to ES 10:22

its fast, but i had a very hard time getting fills

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1325.25 --> + 2 «« paper »» 10:23

<+KN-ES> it dropped exacly from 27

.75

<+startrader> Covered 1/2 NQ Short @ 1952 --> + 3.25

<+KN-ES> nxt big res

<+tzar> wow nice startrader, i missed it by a tick

<+startrader> Covered Remainder NQ Short @ 1951.50 --> + 3.75 10:24

<+KN-ES> we need to get 29.25 broken for confirmed long 10:25

<+rickf> short es 26.25 paper sm sz

<+startrader> Long NQ @ 1951

Long NQ @ 1949.75 -> Add 10:27

<+rickf> exit es 1326 +.25 paper 10:28

* +rickf thought we were heading out of the chop

<+KN-ES> Covered ES Short @ 1326.75 --> + 5.5 10:29

Reverse and Enter Long ES @ 1326.75

<+startrader> Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1954 --> + 4.25

<+KN-ES> s.l 1

<+tzar> startrader vn

<+startrader> Exited Remainder NQ Long @ 1954 --> + 3 10:30

<+KN-ES> Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1327.75 --> + 1

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1327.50 «« paper »»

<+startrader> ty, done for a bit now that 1st hour is closed.

<Widgetman> thx for the heads up startrader 10:32

<+Widgetman> on NQ 10:33

<+tzar> when are you coming back startrader ?

<+KN-ES> hit and out 10:36

take care all

<+szubaark> u done for day? 10:37

<+KN-ES> almost

will try to get back later in the afternoon

<+rickf> i'll be in/out for a bit myself

<+KN-ES> good trading to all, see you all later or tomorrow

<+palmer> u men monday 10:38

mean

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1324.50 --> + 3 «« paper »»

<+anglo> yeah tomorrow

<+T-stop> cya KN, tks

<+nqcruiser> see u too KN

<+anglo> gud tradin kn

<+nqcruiser> keep up the good work mate

<+szubaark> NQ tanking 10:39

<+tzar> big time

<+KN-ES> thanks

i have a project due on monday, cannt risk it this time saving it for weekend

have to finish it first

<+anglo> you realize you make more $ than the proffessor there or the Dean, for that matter, no? 10:41

<+KN-ES> :) 10:42

its not about money, anglo

<+anglo> just an observation.

<+KN-ES> :)

<+anglo> for me , it is only about money.

<+KN-ES> i think i can cover them even if i dont trade 10:43

but thats not the point

<+anglo> ok bro. thanks for sharing, anyway.

<+KN-ES> have to go with this for another 5 yrs 10:44

anyway

:)

<+anglo> if I want a phD or two...I go and hire a few Indian guys for $300 a month 10:45

<+nqcruiser> go up ES

and gimme my daily 1 pt

<+tzar> nqcruiser where you long

<+KN-ES> anglo i will let you know if i need any :) 10:46

<+nqcruiser> ouch i exited for 0 profit 10:47

yeah

<peterpanboy> gm all

<+anglo> just an observation KN. We all love you.

<+KN-ES> well, look for 29.25 to cross

<+tzar> heya peterpanboy

<+KN-ES> for long

and again 17.75 for long

<+peterpanboy> hi tzar

<+tzar> how you doing today

<+KN-ES> i dont see any short at this moment

we are already way way donw 10:48

thank anglo, I do like you all and this room too.

<+peterpanboy> I am fine tzar,but very busy with computer setup ,now done

<+KN-ES> thanks

<+nqcruiser> i dont see how any soul can trade es and chat

<+KN-ES> easy if your exits are automated 10:49

or semi-automated

<+nqcruiser> ouch just took 1 pt

up 3 pts now

<+KN-ES> cool

bbl

<+peterpanboy> I was on my mind recently,but chat was log so very nice guys here as always

<+nqcruiser> i am getting it 10:50

just take 1 pt from any swing

and get ouyt

<+tzar> nqcruiser, 1 pt profit, what about s.l?

<+peterpanboy> I wanna thanks KN because I try use multiple contracts and is ok

<+nqcruiser> i put stops 10:51

then only take 1 pt

doable

<+tzar> how much you risking

<+nqcruiser> i am using charttrader 10:53

and using stops there

so far fine

better than sitting and probing any1 for their method

up 1 pt

<+palmer> +12 es, -3 er for me today 10:54

so far

<+nqcruiser> out with .75

<+startrader> short es 1928.25 11:01

<+tzar> hi anglo 11:05

Andy

<+anglo> hi

<+tzar> :)

<Andy> hello tzar, all

<+peterpanboy> hello andy 11:06

<+tzar> can i pm you Andy?

<+Andy> buenos dias, ppb

yes, tzar

<+peterpanboy> beonos dias andy habla hispanol?

<+Andy> nah 11:07

that's about it :)

<+peterpanboy> OK uw :) 11:08

<+rickf> short 6EU8 155.71 paper 11:10

<@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm 11:11

<+rickf> exit 155.67 +4 ticks

long es 1328.25 paper 11:15

exit 1/2 es 1330.25 +2 paper 11:17

exit es remainder 1329.50 +1,25 paper 11:19

* codehead_afk is now known as codehead 11:21

<+szubaark> nice rick 11:22

<+rickf> thx szu

<+startrader> could retrace the whole move up here on es. 11:25

Shorts NQ @ 1948.50 11:53

Shorts NQ @ 1950.25 -> Add 12:00

Covered 1/2 NQ Short @ 1945 --> + 5.25 12:09

<+tzar> vn

<+startrader> Covered Remainder NQ Short @ 1946.50 --> + 2 12:11

<+tzar> wtg

<+rickf> wtg

<+tzar> startrader

<+startrader> my brow is sweating on that one.

<+Andy> you were tough, st, nice job

<+tzar> as long as its only 1 brow

if it was 2 brows... then your in trouble 12:12

<+startrader> I only have one!

<+codehead> Ym trying ot hold .500 retracement (11916)

<+tzar> haha

<+Widgetman> thx codehead 12:21

man ER collapsed fast 12:23

<Bambam-77> was held up by air

<+Andy> Long ES @ 1327 12:24

<+Bambam-77> 25.50 then 1320.5 pos trgts 12:25

<KN-ER> Shorts ES @ 1327.25 12:26

<+Andy> Exited all ES Long @ 1326.75 --> - 0.25

<+KN-ER> Covered 3/4 ES Short @ 1326.75 --> + 0.5 12:27

s.l .5

<+Bambam-77> 722.20 pos er trgt and 717 12:28

* KN-ER is now known as KN-ES

<+Widgetman> thx bam

718 is MM line 12:29

<+KN-ES> hit and out

Shorts ES @ 1328 12:32

s.l 1.25 12:33

bbl......this low vol.......will kill anyone 12:37

<+Andy> Shorts ES @ 1328.75 12:44

<+tzar> Shorts ES @ 1328.5 12:46

<+Andy> Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1327.75 --> + 1

<+tzar> Covered all ES Short @ 1328.25 --> + 0.25

low volume 12:47

going to wait till 1:30est

<+Andy> Covered 1/4 ES Short @ 1327.75 --> + 1 12:48

<+peterpanboy> OK today I close here see ya next week...Thanks for this nice room 12:49

<+szubaark> latewr

<+tzar> cya peterpanboy 12:50

<+peterpanboy> cya tzar and ALL

<+tzar> :)

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1327 «« paper »» 12:56

<Trader> :-) 12:59

<+Andy> Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1328.5 --> + 0.25 13:06

<+startrader> Shorts NQ @ 1944.50 13:07

Covered all NQ Short @ 1946.50 --> - 2 13:09

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1330 --> - 3 «« paper »» 13:10

Buys ES @ 1330.25 «« paper »»

<+startrader> Shorts NQ @ 1949.50 13:11

Dang, only got one off. 13:12

<+tzar> that bit me 13:13

3 points on nq

<+szubaark> Exited all Long ES at 1327.25 --> - 3 «« paper »»

frikin fakeouts

<+startrader> Covered all NQ Short @ 1944.50 --> + 5

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1327.25 «« paper »»

<+startrader> expect new lows but don't trust em

<robert> wtg star 13:15

<@X> #FuturesTrades Info -> No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade because it provides critical information they can't get from broker statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not recommended without their permission. More info at www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm 13:17

<+startrader> robert, check query. 13:22

<+tzar> yous till holding startrader/

<+startrader> trying a long es here. 13:23

<+tzar> nm i thought you were still holding the short on NQ

didnt see your exit

<Guest> Long ER2 @ 725.1 «« paper »»

<+Widgetman> woah 13:24

rug pull

<+startrader> double bottom on nq, huge volume

this thing is trading beautifully today 13:25

<+Widgetman> NQ ?

<Kaizen> nq 13:26

<+startrader> everything, oil might ruin the bottom here.

looking for 37.75 to hold on nq or out 13:27

<+tzar> are you long on NQ star?

<+szubaark> [13:23] <startrader> trying a long es here.

<+tzar> ok

<+Guest> Shorts ER2 @ 724 -> Add «« paper »»

<+tzar> there is a huge bid on 1938 on NQ

2000 contrcats 13:28

<+Guest> Shorts ER2 @ 722.4 -> Add «« paper »»

<+szubaark> this looks Weak

<+Guest> Shorts ER2 @ 721 -> Add «« paper »» 13:29

<+startrader> Long NQ @ 1937.75

sweating too hard to post. 13:30

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1324.25 --> + 3 «« paper »»

<+startrader> Exited all NQ Long @ 1936 --> - 1.75 13:31

<+Guest> Shorts ER2 @ 719 -> Add «« paper »»

<+startrader> Long NQ @ 1937 13:32

Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1940.25 --> + 3.25 13:35

<+codehead> crude dive 13:38

<+startrader> crude has 35 close all over it in options 13:39

Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1939.50 --> + 2.5 13:40

<+tzar> Long ES @ 1322.50

Exited all ES Long @ 1323 --> + 0.5 13:41

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1322.75 «« paper »»

<+startrader> need to get above 40 on nq to run.

<+rickf> possible chopzone here 13:42

on es

nice entry szu - almost took that myself

<+szubaark> just going with the flow

<+rickf> :) 13:43

<+startrader> Long NQ @ 1937 -> Add

<+szubaark> exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1322.75 «« paper »» 13:44

<+codehead> long YM 11869 <paper> 13:45

stop 11859 <paper> 13:46

<+tzar> S&P put ford, chrysler, and gm on credit watch

<+szubaark> tough to stay in a position, tick for tick retracing 13:47

<+codehead> exit half YM 11880 <paper>

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1322.75 --> 0 «« paper »»

<+startrader> Exited 1/2 NQ Long @ 1938.50 --> + 1.5

<+codehead> target 11898

.382 retracement 13:48

<+rickf> short es 1322.50 paper 13:50

<+codehead> raise stop to b/e on remainder <paper>

oil dipping again 13:51

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1323.50 «« paper »» 13:52

<+startrader> Exited all NQ Long @ 1940 --> + 3 13:53

<+tzar> gj startrader

stopped sweating?

<+startrader> ty, done for the day, taking off for weekend. gotta take a shower and pluck my brow, god I am ugly! 13:54

<+tzar> haha 13:55

gj

you really have 1 brow?

<+startrader> unibrow, caveman like! no just kidding! 13:56

<+tzar> haha

<+codehead> long YM 11870 <paper> small, after b/e stop hit

stop 11859 <paper>

<+anglo> if ya got money plenty it doesnt matter how you smekll or look...lol 13:57

<+startrader> may take off from here, next stop 1313 if not. would love to see 1313 today.

<+anglo> except maybe KN

<+codehead> exit half +9 <paper>

<+anglo> lol

<+startrader> money may not buy happiness but it sure can rent it.

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1323.25 --> + 0.25 «« paper »»

dont trust this Price Action, especially on a Friday LOL

<+anglo> going to lunch. ty for input 13:58

<+startrader> have a good weekend all.

* NihabaAshi_away is now known as NihabaAshi

<+tzar> you too startrader

chop 13:59

<+codehead> YM bottom retest 14:00

ugly

<@NihabaAshi> Late post of a simulator trade stop hit while I was gone...

Exited ER2 Long @ 731.50 --> - 3 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+rickf> exit 1/2 es 1321 +1.25 paper 14:01

<+codehead> stopped reminder -11

<@NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 721.60 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »» 14:03

<+rickf> exit es remainder 1321.75 +,5 paper

<@NihabaAshi> That market order filled correctly

Exited ER2 Long @ 721.20 --> - 0.4 «« simulator Photon Trader »» 14:05

<+codehead> long small YM 11862 <paper> 14:06

last try

<@NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 721.00 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+tzar> Long ES @ 1321.25

<@NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 720.90 -> Add «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+tzar> Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1321.50 --> + 0.25

i got scared

and got out asap

:(

<+rickf> breathe, tzar....breathe :) 14:07

<+szubaark> its only Money LOL

<+codehead> exit half YM +12 <paper>

<+rickf> nice ch

<@NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 721.60 --> - 0.6 «« simulator Photon Trader »» 14:08

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 721.60 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

Long ER2 @ 721.70 -> Add «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+rickf> short es 21.50 paper 14:09

<@NihabaAshi> Fills are better in the p.m. in comparison to the a.m. regardless to the size amount

<+codehead> raise stop to 11859 <paper>

<@NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 721.10 -> Add «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+codehead> exit -1 <paper> on remainder 14:10

possible sell signal here

<+szubaark> So Niha u made no real Money trades last 3 days? 14:11

<@NihabaAshi> No money at all :)

<+rickf> exit 1/2 es 1319 +2.25 paper 14:12

<@NihabaAshi> I'll conclude my testing of the simulator at the end of this money.

<+szubaark> nice Rick.

<@NihabaAshi> Will return to live trading on July 1st Tuesday

<+rickf> h6

<@NihabaAshi> The one thing I'm noticing is a problem with the fills during spiking volatility even with limit orders 14:13

There's been a few times where order weren't executed.

<+Guest> prob due to simulator not the real one 14:15

<+tzar> Long ES @ 1317.75

<@NihabaAshi> Don't want to find out the hard way that the problem is also occurring live :) 14:16

<+tzar> Exited all ES Long @ 1318.25 --> + 0.5

<@NihabaAshi> Can only go by the simulator (my experience) and/or someone's else live experience (not mine)

No biggie...plenty of other brokers out there to try :) 14:17

<+Guest> spoke w mf global's 35 yr floor trader yesterday at traders expo-he's been using it for 5 yrs now and he thinks it's the best

<@NihabaAshi> Global Futures ?

<+codehead> ER relatively strong here

<+szubaark> Photon Trader?

<+rickf> exit 1/2 es 1318.25 +3 paper

h3

<+Guest> man financial 14:18

<+Trader> Long ES 1319

<@NihabaAshi> I like their data feed but don't know anything about their trade execution platform

<+codehead> ER interesting here 14:19

<+Guest> who's the broker that give u demo

<@NihabaAshi> Live chat guy set me up

The guy that gives seminars and such

<+Guest> from futurepath? 14:20

<@NihabaAshi> Yeah

<+codehead> 10 mins till crude close 14:21

<+Guest> the guy that used it 5 yrs said there were only about 5 times when platform down for few min but mostly due to cme being down

<+tzar> buy limit to enter long ES @ 1317.50

<+KN-ES> Long ES @ 1318.00

<+rickf> exit es remainder 1318.25 +3 paper

<+tzar> hi KN-ES

<+KN-ES> hi

<@NihabaAshi> Don't they all say that :)

<+tzar> get my msg?

<+KN-ES> let me check 14:22

<+codehead> long 1c YM 11845 <paper>

the only decent lng i see is 1176x :-/ 14:23

hence paper

<+tzar> cancelled all open limit orders 14:24

<+KN-ES> Exited 3/4 ES Long @ 1319.50 --> + 1.5

<+tzar> vn KN

<+KN-ES> s.l 1

thanks

<+codehead> i'd be goin with ER long if i had all the chart up for it 14:25

<+tzar> i got greedy and wanted better price

i did have 17.75 though

<+KN-ES> Exited 2 ES Long @ 1320.00 --> + 2

h7

<+codehead> ym target 11877/11880

<+KN-ES> brb

<+codehead> if it doesn't break lod

exit +12 <paper> 14:30

it's prolly a buy above 11860 14:31

but it's stuck and i'll go back to work

<+jsbach> can anyone recommend a book?

<+rickf> on what

<+jsbach> trading

<+rickf> niha's got a list of books he reco's 14:32

http://www.thestrategylab.com/TradersLib rary.htm

i dont have any on futures but can reco a few on options if you like 14:33

<+jsbach> thanks for the link

<+rickf> np

<@NihabaAshi> A lot of that stuff is recommended by #FuturesTrades members

<+tzar> i would recommend reading the posts of KN on the forum

<@NihabaAshi> In fact, I need to update some info on that page.

<+tzar> he wrote some very good articles 14:34

http://thestrategylab.com/forum/index.ph p?topic=330.msg705#msg705

<+jsbach> I think I already read those

<@NihabaAshi> If any body in here have read a book that has improved their understanding of the markets, trading or improved trading results in comparison to their trading prior to the book...

Let me know and I'll add the book to the list.

<+codehead> long 1c YM buy stop 11857 <paper>

<+jsbach> Nice 14:35

<@NihabaAshi> send your book recommendation to questions@thestrategylab.com

<+codehead> didn't hit, cancel

<+jsbach> i see a new post on that link

thnx for the link tzar...

<+tzar> welcome

<+rickf> will do niha

<+codehead> long 1c YM 11851 <paper.

<+Widgetman> have a good weekend all

thx for all the info

<+codehead> exit -3 <paper> 14:36

possible short signal brewing

<+jsbach> I read the articles by KN-ES and that has me interested in learning how to get into those types of trades

<+tzar> NihabaAshi, you got mail! 14:38

<+KN-ES> well, jsbach ............ here is a book you may find useful 14:39

Channel Surfing: Riding the Waves of Channels to Profitable Trading by Michael J. Parsons

its a simple and very interesting book.........let me know how u like it? 14:40

no ?

<+jsbach> I will let you know how I like it

<+codehead> sell signal printed, but having trouble trying ot make new lows 14:41

<+jsbach> I like your articles btw, thanks for posting

<+KN-ES> thanks

<+codehead> might roll over here

long buy stop 11857 <paper> 1c YM 14:42

triggered

<+KN-ES> i have some pdf books........ 14:43

i will gather them and will post the link in Nihas book List page

<+codehead> 11877 first target

<+tzar> nice codehead 14:44

vn

<+codehead> maybe...

could be a -300 day tho

<+tzar> oh

<+jsbach> great, thanks

<+codehead> i see a couple of reasons to buy at around the -300 level, so saving my actual cahs

it didn't make it over 11860 yet, level i mentioned earlier... 14:45

<+Trader> exit es @1320 +1 <paper> 14:46

<+codehead> k, thru now...

again, target is invalidated if new lod... .382 is 11880 14:47

<+tzar> cut on NQ 14:52

my dom just slided down

crap i canceled my order when i saw the slide 14:53

6300+ offer on NQ

1933

<+szubaark> Shorts ES @ 1318.50 «« paper »» 14:54

<+codehead> looking like more down 14:55

<+tzar> looks liek the order is real 14:56

took out 1200 already

didnt pul it

he pulled!

<+codehead> k, held up where it had to--see is any kind of squeeze brews for closing hour 14:57

hm, headfake only

<+szubaark> exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1318.50 «« paper »» 14:58

<@NihabaAshi> Exited all ER2 Long @ 720.60 --> - 1.5 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+szubaark> Covered all Short ES at 1316.50 --> + 2 «« paper »»

<+codehead> stopped -30 on the 1c paper

gav eit too much room

<@NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 720.50 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »» 14:59

<+tzar> down 2 pints

points on ES

wonder what happend there

<+KN-ES> Long ES @ 1315.50 15:00

<+szubaark> Nice trending day.. dont see too many of those

<@NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 719.80 --> + 0.7 «« simulator Photon Trader »» 15:01

<+KN-ES> s.l 1

<+rickf> yeah no kidding

<@NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 720.40 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »» 15:02

<+szubaark> We getting trending day ON WItching Friday. Niha how many times does that occur?

"Second of all,the best trading days(appearance of strong trends) will tend to occur several trading days before the witching Friday"-NihabaAshi 15:04

<+anglo> it occurred in oct, 1987

<+KN-ES> Exited ES Long @ 1316.00 --> + 0.5

Have a nice weekend.......see you all on Monday

<+szubaark> later KN

<+tzar> wonder what the heck was that 15:06

another slide on NQ

<+codehead> ugh, went long YM 11820 and flubbed when i went ot set stop, got +7 :/ 15:08

accidently sold instead of stop

<@NihabaAshi> Exited all ER2 Long @ 722.50 --> + 2.1 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+tzar> crap

<+codehead> options exp today, ya? jsut realized there and gambled on last hour crazies

<@NihabaAshi> taking another random order to try an auto stop upon entry 15:10

<+codehead> long 11831 <paper> YM just 1c

exit +10 YM <paper> 15:11

might get a run, but just remembered when i'm in paper trades i don't take the real ones when somethign good pops up 15:12

long 1c YM 11843 <paper> 15:13

wth, keep me out of trouble, and we're getting a 3 min YM signal here...

<@NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 720.20 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »» 15:14

My error...not the platform

<+codehead> raise stop b/e--it either goes now or without me

<@NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 721.20 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<+codehead> out flat <paper> 15:15

long 1c YM 11847 <paper> 15:16

jsut ot track this signal...

ER sure had a vicious squeeze bar 15:18

stop 11839 YM <paper> 15:20

exit -4 <paper>

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<@NihabaAshi> Covered all ER2 Short @ 720.60 --> + 0.6 «« simulator Photon Trader »» 15:23

<+codehead> might squeeze...

<@NihabaAshi> Trailing stop was set at 720.80 while price was around 720.30

ER2 than moved up to 720.60 without hitting 720.70 nor 720.80 and trade was executed @ 720.60 15:24

<+codehead> .618 ia 11900 YM

.382 hit 15:25

<@NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 719.90 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »»

correction

Long ER2 @ 721.90 -> large size «« simulator Photon Trader »»

Long ER2 @ 720.00 -> Add «« simulator Photon Trader »» 15:26

Long ER2 @ 722.00 -> Add «« simulator Photon Trader »»

720.00 trade shown in statement shows average price 722.0 15:27

<+codehead> long 11850 <paper> YM

11843 would be a better choice 15:28

<@NihabaAshi> Not sure what that means but will figure it out on the weekend between what's called the "Last X Price" and "Avg X Price".

<+tzar> avg x price = if you bought at different prices

<@NihabaAshi> Yeah...the key word is IF :(

<+codehead> 11843 tapped, .500 retracement

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<@NihabaAshi> It does the same thing sometimes on 1 contract trades 15:29

Thus, one more thing to add to my list of things to call them to find out answers.

<+tzar> it gives you 2 different numbers on AVG price and Last price? using 1 ct? 15:30

<@NihabaAshi> Yeah but only after I try to use a trigger price (stop)

<+tzar> hmm 15:31

you should talk to Andy

he uses Photon

<@NihabaAshi> So far there's 3 ways to set stops...

Order Manager

Matrix

Chart Order

<+codehead> yep, 11843 was the entry

<+rickf> long es 1319.75 paper sm sz

<@NihabaAshi> Chart is simple...that's what I used almost all yesterday. 15:32

It's the other methods I'm having problems with

<+tzar> im sure Andy could help you as well 15:33

<@NihabaAshi> I was also told in error that if the Chart is Open and I set my stop via the other windows...they will show up in the Chart. 15:34

i've found out that's not true and they misunderstood what I was asking.

That's a critical aspect for me to have.

I was also told there was a "true position reversal" button. 15:37

There is NOT

All position reversals need to be done manually :( :( :( :(

<+palmer> Tradestation has a reversal button

<+tzar> so does infinity AT

<@NihabaAshi> In a fast moving market...we are talking like about 5 to 10 lost ticks because I have to do the following... 15:38

Pretend I'm Short 3 contracts and it's starts to rise fast

I need to MANUALLY change the order from 3 to 6 and to do that requires approximately 3 clicks of the mouse because the number 3 is not a default number in the Order Manager :( 15:39

The following are default numbers 1, 2, 5, 10, 25, 50, 100

It's great if all your trades are the SAME SIZE. 15:40

In contrast, that's not the case for me.

I change position size from trade to trade depending upon the volatility

<ItalianSharp> Niha, cant you change the default numbers?

<@NihabaAshi> Thus, I'm doing a ton of extra work and clicking

Yes...I can change it for every trade :( 15:41

Like I said...

It's OK if I trade the same size every trade.

You know I don't trade like that.

My position size is ALWAYS changing

<+codehead> exit half YM +15 <paper>

next level 11884, then 11900 15:42

<@NihabaAshi> Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 724.00 --> + 2 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 723.80 --> + 1.9 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 723.50 --> + 1.6 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

<GoodMood> Niha, look for some .ini-file in the main directory of the program. Maybe the default sizes can be edited there

<+codehead> 11900 prolly short, confluence of several targets there 15:43

<@NihabaAshi> Yeah...someone has already sent me a pm about that.

I'll do that after the market close to see if that's possible

Don't want to try it now...platform may crash

<+tzar> Long ES @ 1318.25 15:44

Exited all ES Long @ 1319.25 --> + 1

<+codehead> nice ER

<@NihabaAshi> The real issue is not changing the default

I can't be changing defaults nor files everytime I take a trade that's a different position size 15:45

That "position reversal" button fixes all that EASILY

<+tzar> buy limit to enter long ES @ 1318.25 15:46

<+codehead> exit remainder YM +10 <paper>

should try 11884 tho 15:47

<@NihabaAshi> If I can catch 724.20 for these remainders...these simulator traders will go positive for the day.

<+tzar> Im sure they can accomodate you with the reversal button NihabaAshi 15:48

<@NihabaAshi> Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 724.40 --> + 2.5 «« simulator Photon Trader »»

tzar...

<+codehead> 11879 hit, got close

<@NihabaAshi> Are you suggesting they will design a special trade execution platform for ME ???

<+tzar> entry limit raised ES @ 1319

<@NihabaAshi> If so...how do you know that ??? 15:49

<+rickf> exit es 20.75 +1 paper

<@NihabaAshi> Anyways...I certaintly will ask them about that.

<+tzar> NihabaAshi i know at infinity they accomodate traders that do enought volume

<@NihabaAshi> Would love to here them say that's something they can put into the next version

<+tzar> they can add features

<+codehead> long 1c YM 11856 <paper>

jsut o see if it can hit that number exactly 15:50

<+tzar> you do way more then 10 rt per day, so i see no problem

specaily for something as a reversal button

cant be too hard

<@NihabaAshi> Agree

<+tzar> have you looked in options... maybe its hidden for some reason? 15:51

<@NihabaAshi> I'll add it to my list of things to ask them next week

<+codehead> exit YM +12 <paper> 15:52

<+rickf> ok guys i am done for the day -- best and most controlled trading i've done in a few days....feel rather good with my discipline today

have a great weekend and a great next week -- back in 10 days or so

*waves*

<@NihabaAshi> So far, trading via their chart seems to be what they should be advertising heavily...

It works great. 15:53

it's the other stuff that seems clumsy

Although the chart could use some pretting up a little charts 15:54

<+tzar> NihabaAshi, can i ask why you decide to change your platform? 15:55

<@NihabaAshi> I didn't change...

I'm looking for a backup

<+tzar> i see

<@NihabaAshi> A lot of brokers are now starting to ADD many different platforms. 15:56

Figure now is a good time to be testing to see what else out there is good. 15:57

Futurepath and Photon Trader are new kids on the block sort'uv speak. 15:58

<+anglo> xtrader offers autobracket no? 15:59

<@NihabaAshi> Yet, they seem to "want" to cater to High Volume traders.

anglo, via the plugin ADD ons

You get a lot of stuff with the Pro version

<+anglo> extra cost?

<@NihabaAshi> Extra cost...lower commission 16:00

<+anglo> mmmmm

<@NihabaAshi> Thus, you will need to weigh it to determine if it's worthwhile

<+anglo> I must have autostop at least 16:01

<@NihabaAshi> For me, bracket orders isn't a need for myself but I know other's absolutely must have it.

In contrast, many don't care about a "position reversal" button whereas for me...it's something I absolutely must have.

<+Trader> how about NinjaTrader? 16:03

<@NihabaAshi> Isn't NinjaTrader known for its bracket trading ?

<+anglo> I heard it freezes

<@NihabaAshi> :(

<+Trader> it's a great platform

did not freeze with me

I have lot's of heat here

<+tzar> NihabaAshi try Infinity AT platform 16:04

<@NihabaAshi> Yeah...it's on my list

<+tzar> very light weight ( computer memory )

has reverse buttons and 1 click to change size #

<@NihabaAshi> In fact, some sales guy has been calling me via phone and leaving messages and skype messages...

<+tzar> from infinity? 16:05

<@NihabaAshi> Haven't return any phone calls until I'm ready to sit down and try it

Yeah...someone from Infinity Futures

<+Trader> NinjaTrader about 8 charts open with 2 DOMS 126K

<+tzar> Patrick?

<@NihabaAshi> Not sure how they got my name considering I've never contacted them before.

tzar...Josh I think 16:06

Maybe both

:)

<+tzar> hehe

well Patrick is great

i got him on MSN and his direct phone #

no waiting or anything 16:07

he is really helpful as well

<@NihabaAshi> tzar...do you use their "position reversal" button ?

Or have used it ?

<+tzar> have used it 16:08

works great

<@NihabaAshi> Random trade here via Photons Matrix

Shorts ER2 @ 726.10 -> small size «« simulator Photon Trader »» 16:09

tzar...thanks

<+tzar> NihabaAshi if you want, i can give you his MSN# or phone line 16:10

<@NihabaAshi> No thanks...I'll use the contact info I have on their Skye messages 16:11

<+tzar> ok:)

<+Trader> Bye every 1 16:12

<@NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 726.30 --> - 0.2 «« simulator Photon Trader »» 16:13

<+werner> gn and gwk all

<+tzar> danke werner

you to

<+werner> tx 16:14

<+tzar> alrighty, good weekend everyone 16:21

<@NihabaAshi> Take care all and see all on Monday 17:03

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