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| Session Start: Thu May 17 09:29:58 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades |
| * Now | talking in #futurestrades | 09:29 |
| <X> | [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm |
| <grabthemoney55> | gm traders | 09:33 |
| <PapaJon> | gm grab |
| <eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1516 |
| <NihabaAshi> | I'm actually Bullish until it reaches the 817.00 price area |
| <jperl> | first bounce of the day off the 819 congestion area | 09:36 |
| <NihabaAshi> | By the way, FED Chairman Bernanke is speaking now...scheduled @ 0930am est. | 09:37 |
| <grabthemoney55> | whats a good stop loss area for the er? | 09:41 |
| <NihabaAshi> | The best stop in my opinion is not "fixed" and is one based upon the "current" price action. | 09:42 |
| Thus, your stop/loss protection "should be" different from one trade to the next trade because the price action is different from one trade to the next trade. |
| <szubaark> | Shorts NQ @ 1894.50 «« paper »» | 09:43 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Simply, using FIXED stops or FIXED profit targets is to say that the price action never changes and that's far from the truth and is counter-productive. |
| <grabthemoney55> | thx |
| <asuni> | i think this is the most important thing i learned here niha | 09:44 |
| <NihabaAshi> | However, until you learn to understand the price action... |
| <eminitrader> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1514 --> + 2 |
| <szubaark> | nice emini.. good start | 09:45 |
| <jperl> | yesterdays VWAP 816.66 |
| <eminitrader> | thx szu |
| <NihabaAshi> | Test different stop/loss scenarios involving your methodology to doesn't test your "pain threshold" sort'uv speak. | 09:46 |
| Now that we have dipped below the 817.00 price area... | 09:47 |
| I'm no longer bullish and back to being neutral. |
| * lesAway | is now known as les |
| <szubaark> | Covered all Short NQ at 1894.50 --> 0 «« paper »» | 09:48 |
| <Brutus> | 1000/1400 Apr Conference Board Leading Econ -0.1% +0.1% | 09:50 |
| Indicators |
| <szubaark> | Niha I enjoy reading your end of day WRB Analysis on #FuturesTrades Journal.. the more examples you give the better. |
| <pat255> | szu can u post the link if u dont mind ty | 09:52 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Thanks szu...I just started recently that new format for the #FuturesTrades journal. |
| http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrad es.htm | 09:53 |
| <pat255> | ty ..niha |
| <eminitrader> | Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1513.50 --> + 2.5 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Just click on the dates...new format for the journal started on May 7th I think. |
| <pat255> | ty | 09:54 |
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| <szubaark> | Niha if you could include one trade you took and your reason behind it. |
| <jperl> | ER2 peak volume 817.30 |
| VWAP 818.57 | 09:55 |
| <NihabaAshi> | I will do that at the discussion forum in a private section... |
| I'm not sure when I'll start doing that. |
| <szubaark> | Buys NQ @ 1894.75 «« paper »» | 09:56 |
| <eminitrader> | Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1514 --> + 2 |
| <szubaark> | exit stop set NQ @ 1894.75 «« paper »» | 09:58 |
| <pdays> | Leading ind est 0 in @ -.5 | 10:00 |
| <szubaark> | Exited all Long NQ at 1894.75 --> 0 «« paper »» |
| <NihabaAshi> | There's a 1030am est key economic report... |
| <szubaark> | :(( |
| <NihabaAshi> | And a 10am as in right now. |
| Leading Indicators. |
| <jperl> | ER2 price action now in the 816 congestion zone | 10:01 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Long ER2 @ 816.40 -> small size | 10:02 |
| 2 contracts only...high risk...intuition trade. |
| Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 817.20 --> + 0.8 | 10:03 |
| Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 817.60 --> + 1.2 | 10:04 |
| <jperl> | Here's what I'm looking at.... | 10:05 |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-05-17/JP ERL_016.png |
| You can see the bounces off the congestion region.... | 10:06 |
| back up to the VWAP |
| <szubaark> | Buys NQ @ 1900 «« paper »» |
| <jperl> | ER2 took a bounce off the 819 congestion area.... | 10:16 |
| back to the VWAP, and is now just hanging around in that area.... | 10:17 |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-05-17/JP ERL_017.png |
| probably waiting for the 10:30 EIA Natural Gas report | 10:18 |
| I have to go....so here are my two big trades for the morning.... | 10:19 |
| http://charts.dacharts.com/2007-05-17/JP ERL_018.png |
| <base> | re | 10:29 |
| thanks |
| <les> | Shorts ER2 @ 817.9 | 10:31 |
| <pdays> | Nat gas est 97 in @ 95 | 10:32 |
| <szubaark> | Exited all Long NQ at 1894.25 --> - 5.75 «« paper »» | 10:36 |
| Shorts NQ @ 1894.25 «« paper »» |
| <Brutus> | 1st hr BO trade setup | 10:37 |
| <grabthemoney55> | good trade les | 10:38 |
| <NihabaAshi> | ER2 within the s/r zone of a prior White Hammer Line. | 10:39 |
| I actually would like to see ER2 go a little lower to help setup a possible bullish signal...lower around 815.70 | 10:41 |
| <les> | thx gtm | 10:44 |
| <NihabaAshi> | There's the price drop... |
| I'll be watching closely to see if any bullish signals appear. |
| Long ER2 @ 815.60 -> small size | 10:46 |
| Intuition trade because there's no pattern signal... |
| <les> | i'm hoping nq and es will follow er2 here | 10:47 |
| else might get out |
| <NihabaAshi> | Exited ER2 Long @ 815.30 --> - 0.3 | 10:48 |
| Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 815.30 |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 815.70 --> - 0.4 | 10:49 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 815.70 |
| <les> | Covered ER2 Short @ 816.3 --> + 1.6 | 10:50 |
| Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 816.3 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Missed an Add at 816.00 :9 | 10:51 |
| :( |
| <szubaark> | Covered all Short NQ at 1895.75 --> - 1.5 «« paper »» | 10:52 |
| too fast for me |
| <eminitrader> | change over to ES szu |
| <pat255> | good advice em .. | 10:53 |
| <szubaark> | Ill start trading ES tomorrow see if it goes any better. | 10:54 |
| ES has more even bars |
| <NihabaAshi> | szu...take a look at the 1min chart...when you see volatility shrink like that between 1046am - 1049am est...its about 3mins of warning to get ready to trade...3mins is a long time. | 10:56 |
| <pat255> | niha u use 2 min for trades.. | 10:57 |
| <les> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 817.3 --> + 1 | 10:58 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 817.10 --> + 1.4 |
| Pat255...it depends upon the price action... | 10:59 |
| * les | is now known as lesAwway |
| <NihabaAshi> | I can use a 1min chart all the way up to a 15min chart for day trading. |
| I currently have on my screen the 1min, 2min, 3min and 5min chart. | 11:00 |
| <pat255> | ty |
| <NihabaAshi> | Lurking Rule Warning -> If you don't post your trades or don't participate in the market conversations...you will be "KICKED" from #FuturesTrades unless you have "permission to be exempt" from posting. | 11:03 |
| <pat255> | voltality incraesing a bit more | 11:04 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Just as important, if your not meeting your trading goals...you should be the last person that wants to be lurking in #FuturesTrades because lurkers don't ask questions and don't get answers. | 11:05 |
| <intowin> | my account goes live Monday. I am hoping to lurk until then. Thanks | 11:06 |
| <grabthemoney55> | i was well in the green but that last shady price action at 10:50 put me 4 ticks in the red | 11:07 |
| so we'll see what the day brings |
| <NihabaAshi> | However, if your having private conversations with others in the room... |
| Just let me know so I can exempt you from the "no lurking rule". |
| <intowin> | 819 on er looks key for upside | 11:08 |
| <NihabaAshi> | A few in here are exempt because the talk about their trades or the markets with me in private. |
| intowin...thanks for the info and I'll keep that in mind. |
| I'm already at a WRB profit target 2 level for this Long position... | 11:10 |
| My goal is to exit at a WRB pt3 or higher. |
| ER2 volatility contracting again...I'm expecting a volatility spike here soon. | 11:12 |
| Hopefully, in the direction of my trade and gives me a WRB pt3 price level. |
| <Brutus> | 1200/1600 May Philadelphia Fed Business Index 5.0 0.2 | 11:16 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Also, I have in the plans that one of the requirements is that traders post their "broker profit/loss statement" without the private stuff (its blacken out). | 11:19 |
| A few in here are already doing it here or elsewhere. | 11:20 |
| However, it doesn't matter if its real money, simulator or a mixture of both...statements must be posted and will be a requirement in the future. | 11:21 |
| I already post my statement in my journal at the link I posted earlier. |
| <pat255> | niha u have to import the thing in excel & then do it i suppose? | 11:23 |
| <NihabaAshi> | I'm just waiting for the room to reach about 35 regular members because I know that P/L STatement requirement will get discourage about 1/2 from showing up because they will think its unecessary eventhough I think its needed to "force participation". |
| Pat...there's many ways of doing it. |
| <pat255> | k...yes excel file u can import &then remove some & post | 11:24 |
| <NihabaAshi> | I myself just take a quick screenshot of my statement...not importing. |
| * lesAwway | is now known as les |
| <les> | niha.. |
| <pat255> | i c.. |
| <les> | yes i think thats easiest |
| <NihabaAshi> | Regardless if you import or whatever...set it up so that its "easier for you to do". |
| <les> | then just put statement on a website and post url | 11:25 |
| jperl does that eavery day instead of posting live trades |
| <NihabaAshi> | My is a little complicated because I have private info with it. |
| Thus, I have to take a few minutes to blacken out stuff I don't want anybody to see. |
| For example... | 11:26 |
| http://www.thestrategylab.com/images/050107mFuturesTrades.png |
| I actually don't like showing the chat logs and my trader workstation complete screen. |
| That's the reason why recently I've only shown the following... | 11:27 |
| http://www.thestrategylab.com/images/051607NihabaAshiPnLBlotterProfit.png |
| <les> | niha.. |
| aquestion about this.. tho |
| my broker reports to me in Sterling | 11:28 |
| but my trades are in $ of course |
| so is it ok to post p&l as points? |
| <NihabaAshi> | Sure. |
| <les> | ok, can do that ok |
| <NihabaAshi> | I actually prefer points but most want to see the Dollar value :) | 11:29 |
| <pat255> | lol ... |
| <NihabaAshi> | That's a problem is its in a different currency. |
| <eminitrader> | looks like nq may oull the mrkt down... |
| <pat255> | points should be enuf ... |
| <les> | i'm relying the fact that everyone in here should be able to multiply by 100 :)) | 11:30 |
| <pat255> | lol ..may be 1000 |
| <eminitrader> | mrkt flow not as strong/bullish compared to the ym/es |
| <les> | er 1 pt =$100 |
| er2 |
| <pat255> | k .. |
| <NihabaAshi> | Les...I remember once I posted in points... |
| I think I had like 3.40 ER2 points. | 11:31 |
| <Brutus> | true e nq and er are not showing much bullish volume vs ES YM |
| <NihabaAshi> | I got a few emails that night by traders asking why I'm trading that many trades for $3 dollars and 40 cents profits |
| :) |
| <X> | #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) |
| <les> | i'll bet | 11:32 |
| <eminitrader> | yes B ..thats stopping me from taking the es long |
| <les> | however i can post from my api ninjatrader |
| allows posting of trades and in points or currency | 11:33 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Instead of telling them its points...I replied that $3.40 can buy a decent burger at burger king. |
| <les> | can also exclude commish so as not to confuse anyone |
| <eminitrader> | niha any way around this posting of p/l ? |
| <les> | no burgers for me then |
| <Brutus> | But is ES bullishness asserts itself again the 1st hr BO trade is vaild | 11:34 |
| <NihabaAshi> | I have two statements...one without the commish and one with the commish. |
| <eminitrader> | i mean is posting live trades in this forum not good enough ? |
| <NihabaAshi> | One with the commish looks messy and confusing. |
| <eminitrader> | true B ,,but i wld loke some followup on the nq |
| <NihabaAshi> | eminitrader...its good enough but too many are violating the "no lurking rule". |
| <grabthemoney55> | what if today we are embarassed of our P&L | 11:35 |
| <eminitrader> | k...so this is for those that make no posts ? it is either post here or the p'l ? |
| <NihabaAshi> | grab...that's easy...just say the day sucks and you don't want to post a statement. |
| <les> | u can address yr embarrasment maybe by more participation and so get it well in the balck | 11:36 |
| <NihabaAshi> | That comment along tells me your participating in the conversations :) |
| <les> | :) |
| <eminitrader> | :)) |
| <grabthemoney55> | well i wish i had something better to report |
| <les> | well me too |
| <grabthemoney55> | my last trade killed me |
| <les> | sometimes it looks great, then falls back |
| thats when i learn the most | 11:37 |
| <pat255> | niha i dont trade full time hope it does not affect ... |
| <szubaark> | May has been real tough for me.. losing almost every frikin day.. go figure :( |
| <grabthemoney55> | im not that bad off only four ticks in the red and the day is still young |
| <les> | Long ER2 @ 817.5 |
| <Brutus> | grab take the snap shot when in the black, just in case :)) |
| <NihabaAshi> | My personal opinion is that posting statements do no "improve discipline nor trading results". |
| <les> | nice one Brutus :) | 11:38 |
| <NihabaAshi> | I just want to use it to know that some in here are "still alive". |
| :) |
| <les> | niha.. |
| <pat255> | lol ...yes niha we are ... |
| <eminitrader> | true szu ...not in a loss but certainly not making as much as in the previous months of this yr.. |
| <les> | actually i died long ago according to my daughter |
| <NihabaAshi> | You can also send statements to me via "private message" if you don't want others to see it. |
| However, if you send me something where your making 20k per day... | 11:39 |
| I may steal it and claim it as my own :) |
| <les> | ok niha |
| i might do that |
| but will be in rupees or yen |
| <NihabaAshi> | :) |
| That's a jok because someone did that to me. | 11:40 |
| <les> | raelly? |
| <NihabaAshi> | Yeah...I use to post my statements at Dacharts.com |
| I stopped doing it and started posting it at my own site because of that problem. | 11:41 |
| Once again, if your already posting your statement elsewhere... |
| Just let me know because I know its a hassle to be posting a statement multiple times at different locations. | 11:42 |
| <Brutus> | When I first started posting on PnL on ET profits went down.. |
| <les> | niha... |
| ustill long ? |
| <NihabaAshi> | Yep... |
| Still "hoping" for a WRB pt3 exit. | 11:43 |
| <les> | just thinking.. |
| if it doesnt make it past 818.3 may turn back |
| <NihabaAshi> | Agree |
| <les> | there's our answer :)) |
| <NihabaAshi> | Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 818.40 --> + 2.7 | 11:44 |
| Got it :) |
| <grabthemoney55> | nice |
| <les> | Exited all ER2 Long @ 818.3 --> + 0.8 | 11:45 |
| <grabthemoney55> | i definatly dont have your patiance niha |
| <NihabaAshi> | grab...when you see me talking (writing) a lot in here... | 11:46 |
| That's one of my ways of "keeping my calm". |
| That's one usefulness I get from using #FuturesTrades. |
| <grabthemoney55> | ohh well thats healthier than my way |
| <NihabaAshi> | ER2 at a WRB pt4 since the bounce off the lows. | 11:47 |
| <grabthemoney55> | lets see if i can get in the green b4 lunch |
| waiting 4 da short | 11:49 |
| <les> | niha... |
| i have 2 methods of reporting trades... |
| here r both |
| http://www.carlin.karoo.net/Charts/pic1. png |
| http://www.carlin.karoo.net/Charts/pic2. png |
| do u have preference | 11:50 |
| or esp want the actual trades |
| just noticed | 11:52 |
| i can get it in $ :) | 11:53 |
| ninja does that |
| broker doesnt |
| <kei> | Phil report will be out at 12 | 11:56 |
| <grabthemoney55> | ill scalp my Fing way back into the green | 11:57 |
| <les> | gtm |
| on this de of the pool |
| side | 11:58 |
| <grabthemoney55> | ? |
| <les> | i lose from my broker a/c when the dollar strengthens |
| <grabthemoney55> | oh not in the u.s |
| <les> | UK |
| <grabthemoney55> | ship mne a TVR | 11:59 |
| <Brutus> | 1200/1600 May Philadelphia Fed Business Index 5.0 0.2 |
| <les> | wots a TVR? | 12:00 |
| <grabthemoney55> | its a british sports car that they wont allow in the US |
| <les> | ah | 12:01 |
| who makes em? |
| <grabthemoney55> | TVR |
| <les> | truimph? |
| mg? |
| <grabthemoney55> | http://static.flickr.com/84/245916553_46 4711cbda.jpg | 12:03 |
| its beautiful | 12:04 |
| and only 40k pounds |
| <les> | nice |
| i should have a spare 40k now and then to get one to u | 12:05 |
| <grabthemoney55> | ill buy it u ship it |
| <les> | i found the car owner club website | 12:06 |
| u got that? |
| <grabthemoney55> | yep |
| <les> | k |
| <grabthemoney55> | or a marcos mantis wold be nice |
| <les> | gotta go | 12:07 |
| back later on |
| * les | is now known as lesaAway |
| * lesaAway | is now known as lesAway | 12:11 |
| <Brutus> | Shanghai B up another 8% | 12:13 |
| http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/tda meritrade-com/html-story.asp?guid={253c1 d62-375d-4d7c-90d7-d423a3c2202a} |
| More daily $ value gets traded in china vs Japan | 12:14 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Speaking of Asia... | 12:15 |
| Had anybody in here read or heard about the magazine called "The Trader's Journal" ??? |
| http://www.traders-journal.com/ | 12:16 |
| It may have some value especially when trading the Asia futures market. | 12:17 |
| <grabthemoney55> | here comes lunch time price action |
| <pat255> | L 817.5 | 12:26 |
| dang cant even get .5 | 12:30 |
| out .8 |
| <grabthemoney55> | GIVE ME MOVEMENT!!! | 12:45 |
| <werner> | yo wiz,niha ,all | 12:56 |
| <pat255> | c u all later ty | 12:57 |
| <kei> | scalp short es @1515.5 | 13:00 |
| <werner> | 1000 bid on 13485 | 13:04 |
| <Littman> | where this everybody? | 13:24 |
| <eminitrader> | Shorts ES @ 1516.25 | 13:25 |
| Covered all ES Short @ 1516.75 --> - 0.5 | 13:32 |
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| <Chilly> | Shorts ES @ 1515.75 | 13:51 |
| <eminitrader> | Long ES @ 1516 | 14:03 |
| Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1516.75 --> + 0.75 | 14:10 |
| Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1516 --> 0 | 14:13 |
| <Chilly> | Covered all ES Short @ 1517.75 --> - 2 | 14:16 |
| too choppy for me :( maybe the picket my pocket | 14:17 |
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| <ItalianSharp> | jeees...YM making record highs again | 14:52 |
| the Dow has closed up in 30 of its last 38 days or something like that |
| and this is the 9th record high of this month |
| part of recent trading strategy is that whenever the DOW is within 20-30 ticks from a new high, i aint taking any short trade | 14:53 |
| you just can't short this market right now unless it's clearly falling |
| NQ and ER looked kinda weak...and yet the Dow managed once again to carry all other eminis to new highs | 14:54 |
| <lesAway> | Shorts ER2 @ 819.7 | 15:29 |
| * lesAway | is now known as les |
| <NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 819.10 -> small size | 15:35 |
| <les> | Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 818.7 --> + 1 | 15:36 |
| <NihabaAshi> | Trade error... |
| <les> | wrong exit posted | 15:37 |
| Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 818.1 --> + 1.6 |
| amazing |
| my tgt was set at 818.7 | 15:38 |
| but the slippage vafoured me the other way |
| a rare sight indeed |
| <NihabaAshi> | Covered all ER2 Short @ 818.90 --> + 0.2 | 15:40 |
| <X> | #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) | 15:41 |
| <Brutus> | Fox news LA airport evacuated |
| Terminal in LAX closed due to "suspicious package"-CNBC :theflyonthewall.com |
| <NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 818.30 -> medium size |
| Covered all ER2 Short @ 818.50 --> - 0.2 | 15:46 |
| <les> | Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 818.5 --> + 1.2 | 15:47 |
| done for today | 15:48 |
| cya all tomorrow |
| <NihabaAshi> | Shorts ER2 @ 818.30 -> medium size |
| :( | 15:53 |
| Shorts ER2 @ 818.70 -> Add | 15:55 |
| Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 817.60 --> + 1.1 | 15:57 |
| Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 817.00 --> + 1.3 | 15:59 |
| Covered ER2 Short @ 815.90 --> + 2.4 | 16:03 |
| Holding 1 contract |
| I'm looking for one more WRB pt exit but it doesn't look good in that I'll get it before the close. | 16:06 |
| Looks like if a Dark WRB forms here it will be a small one in comparison to my prior cover :( | 16:11 |
| Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 815.50 --> + 2.8 | 16:12 |
| Got it and I'm done for the day. |
| Take care all and see al tomorrow. | 16:14 |
| * NihabaAshi | is now known as NihabaAshi_away |
| <Brutus> | Nice Niha cu |
| * DisconnectedSession | Close: Thu May 17 17:01:54 2007 | 17:01 |
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#FuturesTrades past logs can be searched
via using Google. For example, pretend you want to research what has been
said about volatility analysis. Go to the Google search window below and type
in "volatility analysis" site:thestrategylab.com (exactly as I typed
it including the quotation marks) and you will find everything associated
with those key words that were used by any member of #FuturesTrades.

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