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| Session Start: Wed Apr 23 09:24:12
est 2008 Session Ident: #futurestrades |
| [09:24] * Now talking in #futurestrades |
| <@X> | [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm | 09:24 |
| | [09:24] * X sets mode: +o NihabaAshi |
| <pat29> | me think too many S may drive it up..? | 09:25 |
| | [09:25] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v pat29 |
| <eminitrader> | r still looking @ yest area 1396-88 for a potential sell....but will wait for a pa set-up to occur in that area |
| | [09:25] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v eminitrader |
| <rickf> | exit EUR/USD short 159050 +346 pips paper |
| | [09:25] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v rickf |
| <+pat29> | tyem |
| <+rickf> | still short GBP | 09:26 |
| <+eminitrader> | 1386 npt 1396 |
| npt=not |
| <+pat29> | k.. |
| <+eminitrader> | urw pat |
| <+pat29> | y may have to give some slack to L | 09:27 |
| <+eminitrader> | have a feeling its prolly better to take the day off :)) |
| <+pat29> | lol why not///:) | 09:28 |
| <+rickf> | :) |
| <+eminitrader> | will be off by 10:30 anyways...prolly be back for the pm session |
| | [09:31] <@NihabaAshi> Not common to see today's Open so close to yesterday's Close |
| <drt> | gm all | 09:31 |
| | [09:31] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v drt |
| <+pat29> | y N.. |
| <+Spartan> | Shorts ES @ 1382.50 -> small size «« paper »» | 09:33 |
| | [09:34] <@NihabaAshi> weak resistance area for ER2 |
| <+eminitrader> | S ..was this based of the NQ | 09:34 |
| it give a noce sell @ 1907 |
| <+Spartan> | yes |
| <+eminitrader> | k |
| <+rickf> | spartan nice entry :) |
| | [09:34] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 705.30 -> medium size |
| <+eminitrader> | yep ..low risk | 09:35 |
| | [09:35] <@NihabaAshi> I had a chance to grab 705.90 but it moved to darn fast |
| <+rickf> | short es 1380.50 paper | 09:36 |
| <+Spartan> | Covered all ES Short @ 1379.50 --> + 3 «« paper »» | 09:37 |
| <+rickf> | vn | 09:38 |
| <+eminitrader> | nice start S |
| <+Spartan> | thanks |
| <szubaark> | nice spartan |
| | [09:38] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v szubaark |
| <+rickf> | exit 1/2 es short 78.50 +2 paper |
| <+eminitrader> | nice r |
| <+rickf> | ty | 09:39 |
| | [09:40] <@NihabaAshi> 703.90 - 702.90 is a support zone ER2 |
| <T-stop> | nice trade Niha | 09:41 |
| | [09:41] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v T-stop |
| [09:41] <@NihabaAshi> Covered 3/4 ER2 Short @ 703.10 --> + 2.2 |
| <+pat29> | vn |
| <+szubaark> | nice Niha, rick |
| <+rickf> | wtg |
| <+Spartan> | Long ES @ 1379 -> small size «« paper »» |
| <+rickf> | ty |
| <+szubaark> | Buys ES @ 1377.75 «« paper »» | 09:43 |
| <+rickf> | exit remainder es 77.50 +3 paper |
| fat fingered the dom, didnt want to exit completely. :( too much coffee |
| <Andy> | Long ES @ 1377.75 «« paper »» | 09:44 |
| | [09:44] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v Andy |
| <+eminitrader> | ") |
| <+rickf> | shorted es 1378 paper | 09:46 |
| <+Andy> | Exited all ES Long @ 1377.75 --> 0 «« paper »» |
| <+Spartan> | Exited all ES Long @ 1377 --> - 2 «« paper »» |
| <+eminitrader> | not ripe enough yet for a bounce | 09:47 |
| <+rickf> | exit 1/2 es short 1376 +2 paper |
| <startrader> | Long ES @ 1376.25 |
| | [09:47] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v startrader |
| <+Andy> | Long ES @ 1376.25 «« paper »» |
| <+Spartan> | if we get a bounce, might not be much judging the way things are going |
| <+eminitrader> | looks like 73-75 will provide some support for a bounce | 09:48 |
| <Pepe> | emini, what do expect today? Bullish or bearish? |
| | [09:48] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v Pepe |
| [09:49] <@NihabaAshi> Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 701.90 --> + 3.4 |
| [09:49] <@NihabaAshi> Got some family distractions here... |
| [09:49] <@NihabaAshi> Be back later. |
| <+Spartan> | nice | 09:49 |
| <+eminitrader> | k |
| | [09:49] * NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away |
| <+eminitrader> | nice one N |
| <+rickf> | exit remainder es 1377.25 +.75 paper |
| nice niha |
| <+Andy> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1377.5 --> + 1.25 «« paper »» | 09:50 |
| <+startrader> | Exited all ES Long @ 1377.25 --> + 3.25 |
| <+Andy> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1377 --> + 0.75 «« paper »» | 09:51 |
| <werner> | gm all |
| <@X> | #FuturesTrades Info ->
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| | [09:51] * NihabaAshi_away sets mode: +v werner |
| <+rickf> | gm werner |
| <+startrader> | Shorts ES @ 1378.50 | 09:54 |
| <+Spartan> | Shorts ES @ 1378.25 -> small size «« paper »» |
| <+Andy> | Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1377.5 --> + 1.25 «« paper »» | 09:55 |
| <+werner> | hi rickf | 09:56 |
| <+Spartan> | Covered all ES Short @ 1378 --> + 0.25 «« paper »» | 09:57 |
| <+szubaark> | exit stop moved to breakeven ES @ 1377.75 «« paper »» | 09:58 |
| <+Spartan> | Shorts ES @ 1379 -> small size «« paper »» |
| <+szubaark> | Exited all Long ES at 1377.75 --> 0 «« paper »» | 09:59 |
| missed exit by 1 tick |
| <+rickf> | exit GBP/USD short 1.97945 +375 pips paper |
| <+szubaark> | Shorts ES @ 1377.25 «« paper »» | 10:00 |
| <+Spartan> | nq being a trooper | 10:02 |
| <+rickf> | short es 1377 paper |
| <+eminitrader> | good trading guys...back later |
| <+startrader> | Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1376.75 --> + 1.75 | 10:03 |
| <+pat29> | vn star | 10:04 |
| <+rickf> | exit es 1377 be paper |
| <+Spartan> | tough area |
| <+rickf> | gut feeling didnt like the pa |
| <+startrader> | Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1376 --> + 2.5 | 10:05 |
| <+rickf> | shorted es 1376.50 paper small size |
| <+Spartan> | Covered all ES Short @ 1377 --> + 2 «« paper »» | 10:06 |
| <+rickf> | wtg |
| <+Spartan> | thanks |
| <+szubaark> | lots of chop, consolidation zones lately |
| <+Spartan> | worried about potential double bottom on 1 min |
| <+rickf> | exit es short 1377 -1.50 paper :( | 10:07 |
| thought i got in after the chop....grr |
| <+Spartan> | Long ES @ 1377.75 -> small size «« paper »» | 10:09 |
| <PapaJon> | er2 is hanging out around yesterdays poc | 10:13 |
| | [10:13] * NihabaAshi_away sets mode: +v PapaJon |
| <+Spartan> | Exited all ES Long @ 1375.75 --> - 2 «« paper »» |
| <+rickf> | short es 1376.25 paper |
| <+Spartan> | Shorts ES @ 1375.75 -> small size «« paper »» |
| <+PapaJon> | It acted as a great magnet for this mornings short | 10:14 |
| <+Spartan> | Covered all ES Short @ 1377.75 --> - 2 «« paper »» | 10:15 |
| geez |
| <+rickf> | exit es short 1378 -2.25 paper | 10:16 |
| <+Spartan> | Long ES @ 1379 -> small size «« paper »» | 10:19 |
| <+startrader> | Shorts ES @ 1380.25 | 10:21 |
| <+Spartan> | Exited all ES Long @ 1379 --> 0 «« paper »» | 10:23 |
| | [10:25] * NihabaAshi_away is now known as NihabaAshi |
| <+Spartan> | Shorts ES @ 1380 «« paper »» | 10:26 |
| Covered all ES Short @ 1382 --> - 2 «« paper »» | 10:28 |
| | [10:29] <@NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 705.40 -> small size |
| [10:29] <@NihabaAshi> Not looking for much on this Long position because it's in a resistance area |
| [10:32] <@NihabaAshi> Exited ER2 Long @ 705.60 --> + 0.2 |
| <+rickf> | short es 1382 paper | 10:33 |
| | [10:35] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 706.10 -> small size |
| [10:36] <@NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 707.30 --> - 1.2 |
| [10:36] <@NihabaAshi> Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 707.30 |
| <+rickf> | just like yesterday afternoon toward the close -- wrbs going vertical up | 10:36 |
| <+startrader> | Shorts ES @ 1384.50 | 10:37 |
| <+Andy> | Shorts ES @ 1384.25 «« paper »» |
| <+rickf> | short es 1385 (add) paper | 10:38 |
| <KiwiRoo> | this is mad..... lol |
| | [10:38] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v KiwiRoo |
| [10:39] <@NihabaAshi> Exited ER2 Long @ 709.00 --> + 1.7 |
| <+Andy> | Covered all ES Short @ 1385.5 --> - 1.25 «« paper »» | 10:39 |
| <+szubaark> | Brutal sneaky upmove out of nowhere |
| frikin 5 Green WRB's in a row LOL | 10:40 |
| <+rickf> | yah no kidding |
| | [10:41] <@NihabaAshi> Eurex DAX very close to retracing it's big drop that had occurred around 0632am est |
| <+KiwiRoo> | wow.. still going.... | 10:41 |
| i'm wacthing 89 closly (ES)... | 10:42 |
| <@NihabaAshi> | Out of curiousity...anybody know what caused the big drop in Eurex DAX or DJ-EuroStoxx50 between 0632am - 0715am est ??? |
| <+Spartan> | Shorts ES @ 1386 -> small size «« paper »» | 10:43 |
| <+rickf> | was it the credit suisse news? |
| http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2 0601109&sid=apUQ.jMF809U&refer=home |
| | [10:43] <@NihabaAshi> Not sure because I don't have a time for that news |
| <+Spartan> | Covered all ES Short @ 1385.50 --> + 0.5 «« paper »» | 10:46 |
| | [10:48] <@NihabaAshi> DAX has now completely retraced the price action of that big drop |
| [10:49] <@NihabaAshi> weak resistance area for DAX |
| <ItalianSharp> | Niha, i have no specific news related to the big drop | 10:50 |
| | [10:50] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v ItalianSharp |
| <+Spartan> | Shorts ES @ 1385.75 -> small size «« paper »» |
| Covered all ES Short @ 1387.75 --> - 2 «« paper »» | 10:51 |
| hard lesson |
| <+szubaark> | ok, gap closed from yersturday | 10:52 |
| moves like this usually happen on Fed days, this is "unexpected" | 10:53 |
| | [10:54] <@NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 711.10 -> small size |
| [10:54] <@NihabaAshi> Buying the highs :) |
| <+ItalianSharp> | Niha, either buy the highs or sit out :) | 10:55 |
| no retracements for "classic" trading |
| | [10:57] <@NihabaAshi> Exited ER2 Long @ 711.40 --> + 0.3 |
| [10:57] <@NihabaAshi> There's retracements...soon after entry :( |
| <+rickf> | murphy's law of trading | 10:57 |
| | [10:57] <@NihabaAshi> :) |
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| <+szubaark> | yup, retracement time LOL | 10:58 |
| | [10:59] <@NihabaAshi> Oil just amazes me every week. |
| [11:01]
<@NihabaAshi> Glad my brother listen to me about 3 years ago and
bought a large position in OIH exchange traded fund in the $80 dollar
range as a way to hedge against his Oil costs...a position he's still
holding :) |
| <+rickf> | heh | 11:02 |
| <+KiwiRoo> | 89 Held. :) |
| <+rickf> | i traded oih options last summer/fall and did fairly well |
| | [11:03] <@NihabaAshi> :) |
| [11:03] <@NihabaAshi> I regret not trading OIH or XLE over the past few years. |
| <+rickf> | never did xle | 11:04 |
| i rode the xlf down several points earlier this year/end of last year |
| | [11:05] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 709.50 -> small size |
| [11:05] <@NihabaAshi> high risk considering my actual entry should have been @ 710.50 |
| [11:07] <@NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 709.30 --> + 0.2 |
| [11:08] <@NihabaAshi> That's where I would have exited had I not "chased" it. |
| [11:08] <@NihabaAshi> Thus, still needed to respect the profit target that doesn't change regardless to my entry price |
| [11:09] <@NihabaAshi> Excellent example of why I don't believe in nor use risk:reward ratios (fixed ratios). |
| <+rickf> | excellent example of trading discipline too | 11:10 |
| <rep1acs> | in that trade your target profit was so much smaller than it should have been cuz it's a 'chase'? |
| | [11:10] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v rep1acs |
| <+rep1acs> | yeah i'm amazed u still took it.. |
| | [11:11] <@NihabaAshi> rep1acs...if I lack discpline on the entry and chase the price beyond my "chase range"... |
| [11:11] <@NihabaAshi> I usually get the discpline back on the exit to prevent making the trade worst. |
| [11:13]
<@NihabaAshi> Yes, my actual entry that was way beyond my "chase
range" limited my profit potential due to the fact my profit potential
is associated with the entry I should have taken back around 710.50 |
| <talickca> | gm | 11:13 |
| | [11:13] * NihabaAshi sets mode: +v talickca |
| <+rickf> | hey t | 11:14 |
| <+talickca> | how's it playing out so far? |
| <+rickf> | did great on my fx paper trades |
| <+talickca> | nice |
| <+rickf> | ok on a few es trades |
| <+talickca> | massive ES move earlier, crazy |
| <+rickf> | got caught on the last big spike up :( |
| got a few of us |
| <+talickca> | yeah | 11:15 |
| i thought it was a fake out. |
| | [11:15] <@NihabaAshi> We have a nice stable retracement from the highs in ER2 |
| [11:15] <@NihabaAshi> Hopefully it sets up a trade signal soon |
| <+rep1acs> | i've been having the 'newbie luck'...10 profitable days in a row lol |
| <+rickf> | when
i first got into options trading a friend told me he hoped my first few
trades were losses -- just to pevent me from getting cocky and thinking
'this is easy' :) | 11:17 |
| <+talickca> | true |
| <+rep1acs> | yeap |
| <+rickf> | but go with what you got, rep1acs :) |
| <+rep1acs> | dont know when my luck runs out lol | 11:18 |
| <+Andy> | Long ES @ 1385 «« paper »» | 11:21 |
| <+talickca> | Long ES @ 1385.0 ?? paper ?? |
| <+Spartan> | Long ES @ 1385.75 -> small size «« paper »» | 11:23 |
| <+Andy> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1386 --> + 1 «« paper »» |
| <+talickca> | Exited all ES Long @ 1385.75 --> + 0.75 ?? paper ?? | 11:24 |
| <+Andy> | Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1386 --> + 1 «« paper »» |
| Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1385 --> 0 «« paper »» | 11:25 |
| Long ES @ 1385 «« paper »» | 11:29 |
| | [11:29] <@NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 708.70 -> small size |
| [11:32] <@NihabaAshi> I see something I don't like in my trading over these recent 3 trades |
| <+Andy> | Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1385.75 --> + 0.75 «« paper »» | 11:32 |
| | [11:32] <@NihabaAshi> Will take a lunch break when I close this position |
| <+talickca> | Care to share Niha? |
| | [11:33] <@NihabaAshi> Poor trading via chasing beyond my chase range |
| <+Andy> | Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1385 --> 0 «« paper »» | 11:33 |
| | [11:36] * codehead_afk is now known as codehead |
| [11:38] <@NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 708.40 --> + 0.3 |
| [11:39] * NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_lunch |
| <Bambam-77> | trend is down for now | 11:42 |
| | [11:42] * NihabaAshi_lunch sets mode: +v Bambam-77 |
| <+Bambam-77> | using 86.75 area as long trigger below ss | 11:43 |
| <+Andy> | Shorts ES @ 1387.5 «« paper »» | 11:47 |
| Covered 2/3 ES Short @ 1386.5 --> + 1 «« paper »» | 11:49 |
| <@X> | #FuturesTrades Info ->
No gurus, no head traders. Members use this room to document (trade
journal) their trades and thoughts from one trade to the next trade
because it provides critical information they can't get from broker
statements nor statistics. Also, mimicking the trades by others is not
recommended without their permission. More info at
www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChat Room.htm | 11:54 |
| <+Andy> | Covered ES Short @ 1385.75 --> + 1.75 «« paper »» | 11:55 |
| <+Bambam-77> | wtg |
| <+rickf> | vn .... on this tape | 11:56 |
| <+Andy> | thanks bambam...great name, btw |
| thanks, rickf... |
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