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#FuturesTrades February 15th Thursday 2007 Trade Log

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Session Start: Thu Feb 15 09:10:51 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades

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<NihabaAshi> I'm going to miss the Open due to a HUGE snow storm last night that dumped about 3 feet of snow (I live close to the mountain ranges). 09:12

Gotta about an hour of work before I can even use the snow blower.

Thus, I'll be back later and hopefully I can get in one trade before lunch. 09:13

<pat255> gl that much snow ...

k niha take it easy..

<GoodMood> good luck

<NihabaAshi> The 3 feet of snow is not the problem...its the fact the big snow plow trucks have not come through the area...all roads are closed :( 09:14

Talk to all later.

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<GoodMood> 3 feet of snow ... havent ever seen this here in my life 09:16

<eminitrader> morn all 09:26

<PapaJon> gm all, et 09:27

<RussellDaytrade> :)

<eminitrader> morn pj ..good trading :)

<PapaJon> thnx... likewise

<eminitrader> thx 09:28

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<eminitrader> Long ES @ 1457.50 09:40

<AmazingJason> Long ER2 @ 814.40 09:45

<szubaark> Buys NQ @ 1821.75 «« paper »»

<AmazingJason> Long ER2 @ 814.1 -> Add 09:46

Long ER2 @ 813.7 -> Add 09:53

<PapaJon> anyone else notice the huge bid on er2? 09:55

on the dom

<asuni> y papa

<pdays> @ 813.9? 09:56

<szubaark> news in 4 minutes

exit stop set NQ @ 1821.75 «« paper »» 09:58

<PapaJon> what news szu?

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<szubaark> Consumer Sentiment

and more Bernake speaking

<AmazingJason> Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 815 --> + 1.3 09:59

<szubaark> nice AJ

<RussellDaytrade> Shorts ER2 @ 815 «« paper »»

<PapaJon> hmmf.. i dont see the con sent on the schedule... no biggie

<eminitrader> Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1459 --> + 1.5 10:00

<szubaark> Exited all Long NQ at 1824.75 --> + 3 «« paper »»

<pdays> consumer sentiment is 2/16 @ 10 10:01

<RussellDaytrade> PJ, that big order 'buyer' is only interested in pushing the market. that bid keeps staying below the market regardless, without transacting 10:02

<szubaark> Buys NQ @ 1827.25 «« paper »» 10:03

<RussellDaytrade> looks like it worked!

<szubaark> exit stop set NQ @ 1827.25 «« paper »»

<PapaJon> yah.. i notice that RD... but it is new to er2...

has been around before that i have noticed 10:04

hasn't

<AmazingJason> Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 815.90 --> + 1.5

Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 816 --> + 1.6 10:05

<szubaark> watching ES for test of 1461

<RussellDaytrade> ok, i do not usually look at that DOM feature. for a moment there were other bids of 1000, 2 of them, in addition to the 750 one 10:06

<PapaJon> hmm.. dint see the 1000.. you may be looking at the total of bids. not an actual bid number

my dom totals the bids and ask on the 6th line (abv/below) 10:07

<AmazingJason> Shorts ER2 @ 815.60

<PapaJon> RD.. what dom are you using?

<RussellDaytrade> the one on IB 10:08

<szubaark> Exited all Long NQ at 1827.25 --> 0 «« paper »»

<PapaJon> ok.. dint know ib had one.. i am on ninja

that size of bid or ask is very uncharateristic of er2.. at least until now 10:09

<AmazingJason> Covered all ER2 Short @ 815.50 --> + 0.1 10:11

<RussellDaytrade> http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q277/ RussellDaytrade2/?action=view&current=er 2-15-07dom.jpg 10:12

PJ, you use the DOM regularly?

<PapaJon> i trade from it 10:14

<RussellDaytrade> looks like a good tool and you got a read on it 10:15

<PapaJon> it is a great trading tool.. imho 10:16

very versatile

http://www.veritashomeinspection.com/pj1 .jpg 10:21

<szubaark> is Bush speaking now?

<PapaJon> RD.. notice that the bid/ask... each has six

the exhanges only post 5

the sixth is a total of the 5 10:22

that may be what you saw (re: the 1000)

<AmazingJason> Shorts ER2 @ 814.90 10:25

<PapaJon> szu.. i dont see bush anywhere 10:26

<szubaark> i see Headline on yahoo.com 10:27

<PapaJon> hmmf.. dont see him on any channels yet

<RussellDaytrade> as i recall PJ, they were distinct bids, not totals. there were 2 of them, when the price dipped into 814 fro the last time, they were below the 750 bid, and in addition to it. price moved up from there quickly, and they didn't trail up with price, like the 750 bid, so, it was only visible for a total of a few seconds, it seems, i just happened to be looking at it when it occured.

<PapaJon> he had lengthy news conference yesterday szu 10:28

hmmf.. intersting rd

will keep eye on that 10:29

one of my other eyes

hehe

<RussellDaytrade> i gotta a strong desire to sell today, but disciple dictakes selling on scales up.

<AmazingJason> Covered all ER2 Short @ 815.50 --> - 0.6 10:30

<RussellDaytrade> if those size bids were indeed abberations, they had the desired effect, (assuming that the desired effect was to lift prices, and not actually buy)

Shorts ER2 @ 816 -> Add «« paper »» 10:31

gues thats as good a place as any

<AmazingJason> Shorts ER2 @ 816 10:32

<RussellDaytrade> PJ, do you think that larger size on the DOM may be an early morning profile? 10:33

<PapaJon> how do you mean?

an early sign of things to come? 10:34

<RussellDaytrade> at / near the open, when there is typically bigger volume, that the typical size on the DOM may be larger then in ohter times of the trasding day. that did seem like outsized and untypical size, as you noted... 10:35

i was mostly wondering if that type of activity shows up most mornings, or whether it was really unusual this morning? 10:36

<PapaJon> you are right about the volume on the dom.. however... that was not normal at all

<AmazingJason> Covered all ER2 Short @ 815.80 --> + 0.2

<PapaJon> but.. in days/weeks/months to come.. it may become normal... who knows 10:37

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<szubaark> Buys NQ @ 1827 «« paper »»

<AmazingJason> Long ER2 @ 815.70 10:39

<RussellDaytrade> good eye, somebody indeed wanted to hold the market there, and even if temporary, still works for a trade! and who knows, maybe the price realy extends, etc. worth taking a trade from it.

<PapaJon> well... you could read it that way.. but you could also read it as someone wanting a bunch of traders to go long.. so they can pull the rug out from under them... triggering stops 10:41

couple years back there was a big who-do bout a flasher on es 10:42

my point... i would not necessarilly rely on what you see on the dom

lots of tricksters out there

<RussellDaytrade> barney ripping bernie

<PapaJon> other thing that seemed odd to me.. was that that size... i think is larger than is allowed on one account... but i may be mistaken 10:44

i forget the actuall limit of qty... 400 or 450 i was thinkin.. but not sure

<AmazingJason> Exited all ER2 Long @ 815.70 --> 0

Shorts ER2 @ 815.30 10:45

<eminitrader> Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1457.50 --> 0

<RussellDaytrade> Covered all ER2 Short @ 815.2 --> + 0.6 «« paper »» 10:46

<AmazingJason> Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 815 --> + 0.3

Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 815.10 --> + 0.2 10:47

meant half

<szubaark> Exited all Long NQ at 1822 --> - 5 «« paper »» 10:49

Shorts NQ @ 1822 «« paper »»

crap was loking for a pullback they went lower 10:50

<eminitrader> Long ES @ 1457 10:52

<AmazingJason> Long ER2 @ 814.40

<venedom> gm 10:53

<RussellDaytrade> Shorts ER2 @ 814.6 «« paper »»

stop at be 10:55

actually, 814.7

Covered all ER2 Short @ 814.7 --> - 0.1 «« paper »» 10:56

* NihabaAshi_away is now known as NihabaAshi 11:00

<Chilly> Long ES @ 1457.75 «« paper »» 11:01

<RussellDaytrade> Shorts ER2 @ 815.2 «« paper »» 11:05

<AmazingJason> Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 815.20 --> + 0.8

<szubaark> Covered all Short NQ at 1825.25 --> - 3.25 «« paper »»

ok.. no clue why they bounced here after new lows on ES.. 11:06

<eminitrader> ma support szu on nq

<AmazingJason> ER2 didn't make new lows

bounced

<szubaark> this week i got rid of my ER and YM charts so i can Concentrate more on ES NQ charts 11:07

those two are enough of pain in the arse for me

<AmazingJason> Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 815 --> + 0.6 11:09

<venedom> Shorts ER2 @ 815.20 -> medium size 11:11

<AmazingJason> kind of a triangle-ish consolidation on ER2 11:12

<Chilly> Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1458.75 --> + 1 «« paper »» 11:13

<RussellDaytrade> could be st up for a couple /three points up

<venedom> Shorts ER2 @ 816 -> Add

<eminitrader> Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1458.50 --> + 1.5

<RussellDaytrade> set up

<AmazingJason> the range of opening bar today seems to be resistance for now

<RussellDaytrade> yeah, just looking at the structure of a bigger timefrmae, and how it strikes me, etc 11:14

<Chilly> Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1458.75 --> + 1 «« paper »» 11:16

<venedom> Shorts ER2 @ 816.20 -> Add 11:21

<AmazingJason> Shorts ER2 @ 815.90 11:22

<venedom> dead mkt 11:26

<AmazingJason> yeah

Covered all ER2 Short @ 816.60 --> - 0.7 11:29

<eminitrader> Exited 1/3 ES Long @ 1459.50 --> + 2.5 11:30

holding 2

<Chilly> Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1459.75 --> + 2 «« paper »» 11:31

<venedom> here we go 11:35

<AmazingJason> Shorts ER2 @ 816.20 11:41

might get burned here hmm 11:44

ugh i'm stuck in churn 11:49

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<AmazingJason> Covered all ER2 Short @ 816.90 --> - 0.7 11:51

sigh

<RussellDaytrade> Shorts ER2 @ 817.5 -> Add «« paper »» 11:53

s 2 @ ap 816.4, will scale in at higher prices, at least a buck or so between scales 11:54

<venedom> Shorts ER2 @ 817.50 -> Add 11:56

<NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 817.10 -> small size 12:01

Shorts ER2 @ 817.30 -> small size 12:02

Covered ER2 Short @ 816.50 --> + 0.8 12:03

Holding some still

<RussellDaytrade> Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 816.6 --> + 0.9 «« paper »»

sold the higher priced one, so hopefully can sell again if price rises 12:04

Shorts ER2 @ 817.4 «« paper »»

s 2 again at ap 816.3, realized gains so far today = approx 140, so net ap = 816..9 or so 12:07

Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 816.2 --> + 1.2 «« paper »» 12:09

covered the high priced one 12:10

<venedom> Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 816.20 --> + 1.3 12:11

Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 816.50 --> - 1.3 12:12

<RussellDaytrade> Shorts ER2 @ 817 -> Add «« paper »» 12:19

<eminitrader> was 1 tick from being stopped :)) for now 12:20

<NihabaAshi> No volatility spike on that WRB...sneaky counter-thrust back upwards.

<eminitrader> Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1459 --> + 2 12:21

not worth it

<RussellDaytrade> i would like to hold a short position for longer, but every time i am in the money, the tempotation to close and ring register is an automatic impulse. anyone have a suggestion? log off of FT, and then come back when its 5-7 in the money? 12:23

good trading EM

<eminitrader> thx RD ..was hoping for new highs ...but not bad

<RussellDaytrade> or perhaps at least 3-4 points. 12:24

<NihabaAshi> That's what I'm trying to do...keep my original contracts because I think it can retest the intraday lows.

Volatility now dropping at the level for a volatility spike. 12:25

Preparing to cover at a WRB target or reverse my remaining Short into a Long position. 12:26

<RussellDaytrade> i am allowing it may go higher, so keeping size small, and trading around, etc, but i have an inclination to hold a short, even if longer term, perhaps more than a day, on the desire and prospect for a little larger gain.

<NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 817.50 --> - 0.2 12:28

Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 817.50

<AmazingJason> Long ER2 @ 817.50

<NihabaAshi> :( 12:30

Volatility is gone.

Now the range needs to tighten up a little for the next few intervals to setup another possible volatility spike. 12:31

<AmazingJason> Exited all ER2 Long @ 817.70 --> + 0.2 12:32

<RussellDaytrade> missed my short trigger by a tick at 818.2 12:33

<NihabaAshi> I hate those types of WRB's...that ones that appear suddenly and then closes as not a WRB almost just as fast.

Tough to catch a profit exit :(

Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 817.90 --> + 0.4 12:43

Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 818.30 --> + 0.8 12:44

<AmazingJason> Shorts ER2 @ 818.10 12:47

<eminitrader> nice sell set-up ...nice entry 12:50

<AmazingJason> Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 817.80 --> + 0.3

<NihabaAshi> Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 817.70 --> + 0.2

Be back later...going to lunch and then will finish the snow clean up I started this morning :( 12:51

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<AmazingJason> Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 818.10 --> 0 12:53

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<AmazingJason> Shorts ER2 @ 818 13:05

<RussellDaytrade> t = 813, several hours out, perhaps even tomorrow 13:12

for anyone who is into that sort of thing. :) 13:13

for those that are more short term in nature, which includes me, t = 816.4 by 13:56 et 13:15

that is a muted, understated t, based upon operator interpretation, coutesy of yours truly. 13:16

<AmazingJason> Covered all ER2 Short @ 817.70 --> + 0.3 13:17

Long ER2 @ 818 13:32

Long ER2 @ 817.9 -> Add 13:34

Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 818.50 --> + 0.6 13:36

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<RussellDaytrade> if that t is to come to fruition, price may now drop rapidly into it 13:38

<AmazingJason> cmon just need a small push here 13:46

Exited 1/4 ER2 Long @ 818.60 --> + 0.6 13:48

Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 818.40 --> + 0.4 13:50

hungry, grabbing something to eat

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<NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 819.40 -> small size 14:16

Exited 1/2 ER2 Long @ 819.90 --> + 0.5

Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 819.60 --> + 0.2 14:18

<eminitrader> Long ES @ 1460.25 14:20

<NihabaAshi> I'm done for the day...the snow clean up has been very demanding. I'm just going to take it easy for the rest of the day especially with a sore back. 14:30

<eminitrader> :) 14:31

<szubaark> bye Niha.

<eminitrader> know the feeling

<szubaark> emini.. on that Long you expecting breakout to new highs?

1461+?

<eminitrader> actually eill hold this one 3 lot szu...targeting 1470-73...exit the rest at new high 5 lot trade 14:32

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<szubaark> ok..thx

<eminitrader> will prolly see it friday

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<eminitrader> be back ...limit add @1459.25 14:41

Exited all ES Long @ 1459.75 --> - 0.5 15:03

<RussellDaytrade> will somebody wake me up at 816.4? deja vu 15:06

<werner> i go a week on ski, till next week all 15:15

<eminitrader> have fun ...:)))) 15:16

<werner> tx emini :)))

<eminitrader> wakey wakey RD...816.40 coming up ...trade time -- 15:18

<RussellDaytrade> thx EM, see tht, have orders in to trigger at 817, 816.8 , and lower. think that may have fulfilled my t's just now. i've been so good and patient, i hate to give it up, but that may have been it for the thrust down. :) 15:20

<venedom> c u all next wendday its carnival here and I am takin g the days ogg

<eminitrader> later V

<RussellDaytrade> be good V

when you're good, you're good, but when you're bad,you're better. 15:21

<eminitrader> rd ..looks like the floor as of now is set betn 816-817

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<eminitrader> Long ES @ 1460 15:23

<RussellDaytrade> i gotta find a new level of patience, that may require an O/N hold. hey, i like ringing the register often too. mismanaged my rtrades today, from teh standpoint of curtailing my adds at higher levels. did so to reduce risk ex, in case of higher thrust. figured lower contract size would allow me more breathing room for longer holds, etc. ah, f, i missed the godsend(s) today, both going and coming.. 15:25

i need a good old-fashioned 3-4 drop, that happens in the span of 3-4 minutes. 15:29

<eminitrader> Exited 1/2 ES Long @ 1460.50 --> + 0.5 15:30

<RussellDaytrade> ma's downward slopes may help out 15:31

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<eminitrader> sorry bud ...not so literate in mirc 15:36

<RussellDaytrade> ok, thx. 15:37

what a nice drop that was, i sure enjoyed that. textbook. 15:38

my t needed to be adjusted up since price went higher from where i initially set it. 15:39

<eminitrader> Exited Remainder ES Long @ 1460.50 --> + 0.5 15:54

<RussellDaytrade> buys stil in place, maybe this time the trigger. buys to clsoe shorts. 15:56

:) took in half, up 500 net, still short 2. 16:00

Covered all ER2 Short @ 816.5 --> + 1.4 «« paper »»

took in the rest. 16:01

all be dammed, will ya look at that, 816.3, missed it by a tick, again, damn, i'm gonna have to rework them numbers...not! 16:02

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