#FuturesTrades January 9th Tuesday 2007 Trade Log
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Today I didn't let trades reach their profit potential and as a result I got a lot of profitable trades that were less than 1 point per contract.
The reason for such a trading plan is due to the fact I'm on heavy pain killers because of a partial root canal performed yesterday evening and that will continue this evening at another dental appointment.
Simply, I was under no condition to sit here and try to establish a position trade to hold for their normal duration.
Today's results (real money and simulator trading) shown above are that of NihabaAshi only. To see his total accumulated points for the month of January...click here. To see results for the months of 2007 and prior years...click here.
Commentary by M.A. Perry (a.k.a. NihabaAshi)
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Session Start: Tue Jan 09 09:20:44 2007Session Ident: #futurestrades * Now 09:20 <X> [NihabaAshi] #FuturesTrades info @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm and trade log archives @ http://www.thestrategylab.com/RecentTrades.htm <eminitrader> morn all 09:25 <Chilly> gm folks 09:26 <pat255> gm all 09:27 niha emini chilly <Chilly> hey pat <PapaJon> gm all 09:30 <wizardofrijnsaterwou> l nq straddle 09:31 scuzi <eminitrader> morn pat 09:32 <pat255> same as yesterday ...p/b 09:34 <NihabaAshi> Long ER2 @ 781.40 -> large size Exited ER2 Long @ 781.10 --> - 0.3 09:35 Reverse and Enter Short ER2 @ 781.10 <pat255> freaking chop again ... 09:36 <NihabaAshi> Sorry...I'm a little slow this morning... 09:39 Covered ER2 Short @ 781.60 --> - 0.5 Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 781.60 <pat255> be careful niha ..l heer <NihabaAshi> I got the direction right...just not sure if my late entry is good enough...so far so good. 09:40 <pat255> nice reversal... <szubaark> Buys NQ @ 1810.50 «« paper »» Trading Edge: Trading Strategies -> These strategies will reveal and explain specific strategies from entry to exit that exploit inefficiencies in the price action of your trading instrument for profits in the following trading instruments: Emini Index Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Index Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Index Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Energy Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM), Forex Currencies (EurUsd, EurYen, UsdCdn), Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, OIH, IWM, QQQQ, SPY, XLE) and Hang Seng Index Futures (HSI) <NihabaAshi> Exited all ER2 Long @ 782.60 --> + 1 09:41 Shorts ER2 @ 782.10 -> large size 09:43 Covered 2/3 ER2 Short @ 781.10 --> + 1 09:45 <pat255> dang have to learn this reversal stuff quick ..the only way tomake soemthing ... 09:46 <NihabaAshi> Covered all ER2 Short @ 779.60 --> + 2.5 <pat255> vn... <NihabaAshi> I'm actually at a small loss for the day (unposted trade) :( 09:47 <werner> gm all 09:48 <NihabaAshi> Took a trade in EuroFX EC that didn't work out as planned. Shorts ER2 @ 779.60 -> medium size 09:49 Covered 1/2 ER2 Short @ 778.90 --> + 0.7 09:50 <szubaark> Exited all Long NQ at 1802.25 --> - 8.25 «« paper »» Shorts NQ @ 1802.25 «« paper »» <NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 778.70 --> + 0.9 Holding 1 contract remainder and I'm profitable for the day. 09:51 <pat255> :) <NihabaAshi> Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 779.60 --> 0 09:53 <RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 779.6 «« paper »» 09:54 not the usual 'side of the valley' i prefer to place buys in 09:56 <venedom> ER sell short 779.40 paper 10:00 covered half 779 +.40 paper 10:01 <szubaark> geez.. quick whipsaws both ways 10:02 <pat255> yes .... 10:03 looks weak tho <venedom> Evxited rest 778.40 +1.0 paper 10:04 <NihabaAshi> Be back later...I have a massive headache from the first stage of the root canal. 10:11 I have another appointment today at 4pm est :( <szubaark> good luck Niha <pat255> :9 10:12 oh lord I hate root canals ... <X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) 10:15 <RussellDaytrade> Exited all ER2 Long @ 780.8 --> + 1.2 «« paper »» 10:25 <szubaark> Covered all Short NQ at 1812.50 --> - 10.25 «« paper »» 10:35 :(( <eminitrader> Shorts ES @ 1423.75 10:36 Covered all ES Short @ 1424.25 --> - 0.5 10:38 Shorts ES @ 1424 10:46 Covered 1/3 ES Short @ 1423 --> + 1 10:50 Covered 1/2 ES Short @ 1422 --> + 2 10:51 <pat255> vn emini.. 10:53 <eminitrader> thx pat...tough hlding shorts on the ES todday <pat255> yes ...the S was @ 1425...was away ...missed that.. 10:54 <eminitrader> i got a sell on the 5 min 10:55 <venedom> Shorts ER2 @ 780.70 test of sc ript Covered all ER2 Short @ 780.70 test --> + 780.70 test of sc ript - 780.70 test 10:56 <eminitrader> quick Q anyone...what index does the ER mirror...ex; ES and NQ pretty much move in the same direction.. 10:57 <RussellDaytrade> i htink the nq is the most-closest EM. <ItalianSharp> ER2 mirrors midcap usually 10:58 <eminitrader> thx rd just wondering <RussellDaytrade> on a percent-basis <PapaJon> er2 doesnt play well with others... <eminitrader> so its basically on its own then ? <pat255> yes it is a wild beast .. <PapaJon> has lots of psychological issues <eminitrader> :)) nq that way today 10:59 <pat255> better be good at reversing or else it will be a bad experience .. <PapaJon> havent looked at the correlation to midcap.. is may be correct.. i dunno <eminitrader> got it thx <PapaJon> is = italiansharp 11:00 <eminitrader> IS - any midcap index we can follow ? <RussellDaytrade> nq stronger today, i keep a line chart with both in the background for quick reference, er is 'usually' more dynamic, but every once in a while, nq takes a flyer. 11:01 <ItalianSharp> emini: i follow the MC future usually, i dont have an index for it nor an ETF <eminitrader> excatly there is a lot more down vol on the ES but nq is holding it up so far thx IS ..whats the symbol 11:02 <ItalianSharp> here at esignal is MC <eminitrader> and does it give an edge to trade the ER is it like the s7p midcap 11:03 <PapaJon> hmmf... er2 is very divergent with mc right now <NihabaAshi> The S&P 400 MidCap is one of those Eminis that has different symbols depending upon the broker or charting program (MC, EDM, MDC et cetera) <Brutus> EMT try $MID on esignal 11:04 <ItalianSharp> well, lets say its good to look at for divergences...however, i think the trick is to understand which US index is the leader at any given day...up until a couple of weeks ago, it was the DOW that led everyone else up... <eminitrader> thx B...trying it on trade stat k its from the nyse <NihabaAshi> I've never understood why all these brokers and charting programs use different symbol terminology in comparison to the actual exchange symbol especailly when they are getting the data from the exchange. <ItalianSharp> papjon: yes, we do have some divergence now...but i wouldnt look into it as very important...today is another messed up day * codehead_afk is now known as codehead 11:05 <PapaJon> agree IS... today is wacked <venedom> Shorts ER2 @ 780.30 <eminitrader> ti think we have seen the highs for today <RussellDaytrade> EM, recently, i am viewing the differences between er nq and es like this, (and one can add their own values to it) the er = 1, and the nq = .35, and the es = .57. these values relate specifically to the percent/volatility-weighted 'normal' price moves of each, relative to the er... <PapaJon> none the less... still some money to be made <ItalianSharp> i believe we are in the middle of a consolidation...and its no coincidence we are having this at the beginning of 2007...i am starting to get the feeling the institutionals are slowly jumping on the short side after the record highs from late last year 11:06 <NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 779.80 -> small size <ItalianSharp> in fact, what i have noticed recently is that my short trades tend to be a lot smoohter as opposed to my long trades <Brutus> I have a bearish bias today and think the HOD may be in. <RussellDaytrade> so, if i want to trade an er, i get 'full' volatility, if i want to trade a 'half a contract' equivalent, i may trade the es, and if wanting even less volatility, (dollar-wise), i can trade the nq. 11:07 <ItalianSharp> today i had to enter a long 4 times before making some profit...i was always kicked out of it...while my only short went pretty smooth <pat255> IS what stop u use on er? <NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 780.20 --> - 0.4 Reverse and Enter Long ER2 @ 780.20 <venedom> Covered all ER2 Short @ 780.00 --> + 0.3 11:08 <eminitrader> thx RD ..that correlation helps...last one ...r we talking abt the same direction on all three <ItalianSharp> pat: the fact i had to re-enter 4 times probably has to do with my stops being very tight...right now i am "testing" 8 tick stops <NihabaAshi> Exited all ER2 Long @ 780.20 --> 0 11:09 Sponsor: <pat255> kty <ItalianSharp> however, being a momentum trader, i figured its not worth it to lose more than 8 ticks if you are looking for momentum...hell, if the market retraces against me by 8 ticks from my entry point, i probably didnt catch the right momentum <PapaJon> pat... you have to do stats on your style of trading... the stops that IS uses may or may not be usable with your strategies... 11:10 <eminitrader> shld have revresed that trade :)) very true pj <ItalianSharp> i know my stop management is not "ideal" as with more patience and better tolerance i could do better, however i am trying to keep losers as small as possible <PapaJon> It is best to create a spreadsheet and record all your possible trades showing the max stop hit (or may have hit) over a long period of time <ItalianSharp> papjon: very true 11:11 <PapaJon> i record possible targets 1,2,3 and possible stops hit <eminitrader> me and a friend kinda trade the same method...his stops are larger than mine...and he has lot more trades than me... <ItalianSharp> in fact, i based my 8 tick fixed stop on research of my trades and figured its a good fit for my R:R ratios <PapaJon> then create a calx sheet to analyze it <eminitrader> but the set-ups r the same... <ItalianSharp> emini: if his stops are larger, how can he trade more than you? 11:12 i would think of the opposite <PapaJon> what is interesting.. is that i tend to use t/a for stops... and my win/loss ratio is approx 90%... then <pat255> t/a? <PapaJon> i did a study to see what would happen if my stop was a fixed number tech analysis <pat255> k.. 11:13 ty <NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 779.90 -> medium size <PapaJon> the reason to did the study to compare is <eminitrader> IS its cause i'm more conservative on my entries given my stops and miss some set-ups ...let me put it this way ...he's more aggressive <RussellDaytrade> EM, yes, generally, though there is always a bit of 'lag' or 'lead' in one or another, from day-to-day, they alternate, guess thats a nuance, though some days the deviations between them are really noteworthy. <PapaJon> because many many times... i picked the right trade only to see my stop hit then price turn and go to my pt1 and pt2 <NihabaAshi> Covered 2/3 ER2 Short @ 779.60 --> + 0.3 11:14 <ItalianSharp> emini: are your stops based on technical points or do you have a max amount of ticks you are allowed to lose? <RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 779.7 «« paper »» <eminitrader> both IS ..thats what limits my trades... <venedom> PJ when you say your stop is fixed at 8 do you trail it or its either target or loss? 11:15 <eminitrader> but when i get entries its usually on good size <NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 779.60 --> + 0.3 Holding a few remainders <PapaJon> here are a couple examples of how dif stops would affect one of my strats... 11:16 <NihabaAshi> Covered ER2 Short @ 779.50 --> + 0.4 <PapaJon> http://www.veritashomeinspection.com/pj1 .jpg <NihabaAshi> Holding 1 contract remainder <PapaJon> http://www.veritashomeinspection.com/pj2 .jpg <eminitrader> Covered Remainder ES Short @ 1421 --> + 3 <ItalianSharp> emini: i believe trading is all about losing small and winning bigger...you can have 10 signals per day and perhaps 8 of them dont fit into your R:R parameters...its about discipline to be able to stay focused and take what's convenient for you...and as you said, if the money you make is not enough or you'd like more frequency, you can still compensate via position sizing 11:17 <eminitrader> exactly... <PapaJon> yep.. true IS <ItalianSharp> papa: 80+% of winners is INSANE...you should be a millionaire already! 11:18 <eminitrader> this thinking also helped change my trading results to an large extent <PapaJon> hehe.. well... this is just a study.. 11:19 <NihabaAshi> Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 779.50 --> + 0.4 Ooopps <PapaJon> it is impossible to take all these trades live <NihabaAshi> Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 778.50 --> + 1.4 <pat255> vn niha ... 11:20 <PapaJon> in all fairness ... i give credit to these results to Niha.. and what i have learned from him. <NihabaAshi> Shorts ER2 @ 777.40 -> small size 11:21 Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 777.10 --> + 0.3 This thing is slowly trying to put in a support :( 11:25 <ItalianSharp> niha, according to my charts we are right on support right now if breaks down here, it could very well go to 775.50 11:26 <X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) 11:27 <NihabaAshi> Covered 1/3 ER2 Short @ 777.20 --> + 0.2 Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 777.40 --> 0 11:28 Long ER2 @ 777.10 -> small size 11:29 Exited all ER2 Long @ 777.60 --> + 0.5 11:32 Support broken. 11:42 Shorts ER2 @ 775.70 -> small size 11:43 <RussellDaytrade> Long ER2 @ 775.9 -> Add «« paper »» <NihabaAshi> Talk about a poor entry :( 11:44 <szubaark> Niha thats something i would do :)) <NihabaAshi> It's now at my profit target had I gotten a good entry around 776.20 Covered 2/3 ER2 Short @ 775.10 --> + 0.6 11:45 Covered Remainder ER2 Short @ 775.30 --> + 0.4 <pat255> k guys gotta go back to ofice ..c u later 11:50 ty all.. <NihabaAshi> I'm looking for a little support to produce a 5 tick bounce at the minimum. 11:57 Long ER2 @ 774.90 -> small size 11:58 Not much support here but it may be good enough. 11:59 :( Long ER2 @ 775.50 -> Add 12:00 That ADD was accidental and because of such... It is my last trade of the day. Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 775.60 --> + 0.1 12:03 Exited 1/3 ER2 Long @ 775.60 --> + 0.7 Exited Remainder ER2 Long @ 775.70 --> + 0.8 12:04 Part of today's trading plan was that I would "stop trading" after two trade entry errors. Prior trade was a late entry and most recent trade I ADDED a contract when I wanted to EXIT a contract. 12:05 Could be the medication :) <asuni> niha, look at swingtrading room 12:06 <NihabaAshi> Take care all and see all tomorrow...going to take it easy for the remainder of the day until my dental appointment. Asuni...ok. * NihabaAshi is now known as NihabaAshi_away 12:09 <Brutus> AAPL dumping dropping NQ 12:22 <X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) 12:39 <RussellDaytrade> Exited all ER2 Long @ 778.2 --> + 0.8 «« paper »» 13:16 well, that sucked, all's well that ends well! <eminitrader> some patience there ...good one rd 13:17 <RussellDaytrade> thx EM, i am fairly certain that the challenge of trading like that with real trades may pose a higher level of fortituse that i currently possess, :), though i definetely look forward to the day, as i can see, and many of mt models are designed around, this specific type od setups, and rebounds, etc. 13:19 <eminitrader> boils down to ur risk tolerance 13:20 Shorts ES @ 1418.25 Covered all ES Short @ 1418.75 --> - 0.5 13:34 <Chilly> looks like a double test of bottom from yesterday's low on ER2 gaining some ground ... so far :) 13:42 <RussellDaytrade> Shorts ER2 @ 781.4 «« paper »» 13:46 guess i'll buck the trend htis-a-way too, equal-opportunity countertrend trader! 13:47 <X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) 13:48 <RussellDaytrade> Covered all ER2 Short @ 780.2 --> + 1.2 «« paper »» 13:49 <PapaJon> nice one RD <RussellDaytrade> need some instant grat after all that earlier bs. <PapaJon> :) 13:50 <eminitrader> :)) <PapaJon> RD.. do you use MP charting? <RussellDaytrade> no PJ, using IB platform charts, (don't believe they have the MP feature, don't really know though), and more recently also have Tradestation, which does have T&S 13:51 is that MP kinda another way of viewing VWAP? 13:52 <PapaJon> gotcha market profile seemed that your entry was typical MP style entry 13:53 <RussellDaytrade> post a chart of it if you can, would like to see it, and what you are refering to. <PapaJon> k...sec 13:54 <RussellDaytrade> whoa, what was that, anybody see their T&S just go bonkers for about 5-6 seconds? 13:56 <PapaJon> www.veritashomeinspection.com/pj3.jpg notice the green line right at 781.5... thats the upper value line 13:57 <Chilly> RD .. do you use IB for charting and trade execution at same time? 14:00 <RussellDaytrade> no Chilly, seen that feature, 'Cahrttrader', enabled it once to have a look-see, wanted to stick with what i am more accustomed to, slick feature though, can be handy if all you wanna look at is just the chart, etc. 14:02 ok, back, PJ, had a friend of GF's just say hi, thats a whole new way of analysis for me, i see the lines 14:03 <PapaJon> is new to me too... just starting to learn it 14:04 <Chilly> wondering if one can use IB TWS on 1 machine and IB charts on a 2nd machine .. I don't think so 14:05 <PapaJon> not without two accounts 14:06 <Chilly> right thanks PJ <PapaJon> yw <RussellDaytrade> they will only aloow one account to be open at once, (though you can open a demo atached to a real account and do it that-a-way. <Chilly> I'm looking for a new charting program to go with E-signal ... any thoughts .. anybody 14:07 <PapaJon> along side of esignal or using esignal data? 14:08 or both <Chilly> that works with esig data feed <PapaJon> gotcha 14:09 theres Linnsoft RT, MarketDelta RT, Ensign Market Delta RT is a branch of the linnsoft program <RussellDaytrade> shorts getting roasted on the open -fire <PapaJon> have heard lots of good stuff bout linnsoft 14:10 but for my candlstick charts.. i prefer esignals adv. charts <Chilly> will check, thanks .. think jperl uses ensign and I'm looking at that so you like esig advanced? <PapaJon> i also run the market delta rt along side 14:11 yes am very used to it <RussellDaytrade> model sez 779 in 45 minutes, but who the heck would believe it? <PapaJon> have all my tools assigned to key commands.. am quick at getting around <Chilly> I would have to upgrade from esig basic to premiere .. worth it for good charts 14:13 <PapaJon> depends on what you want i guess esignal kinda has steep learning curve.. but i have also found that most others do too 14:14 <Chilly> yes, I was very used to my old charting program too .. now facing a learning curve :( 14:15 <PapaJon> i have tried several programs.. and have found that esignal and tradestation are the least buggy but there are several that i have not tried.. such as cqg... which is spose to be great program.. but extremely expensive 14:16 <Chilly> oh, I'm looking to keep costs down <PapaJon> yep.. find a balance 14:17 Sponsor: <Chilly> yesterday's high on ER not to far above today's .. can't recall last V-shaped day .. do we rise or melt from here? 14:18 <RussellDaytrade> http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q277/ RussellDaytrade2/?action=view¤t=er 1-9-06rttt.jpg 14:22 <PapaJon> [11:19] <Chilly>........ do we rise or melt from here? ... yes 14:59 hehe i gotta run.. cya all tomorrow.. take care all. <eminitrader> later pj <RussellDaytrade> sl, PJ 15:00 <X> #FuturesTrades Info -> Chat room for realtime trade posting by traders of Emini Futures (ER2, ES, NQ, YM), EuroFX Futures (EC), Eurex Derivatives (DAX, ESTX50), Euronext Futures (FTSE100, CAC40), Treasury Futures (ZF, ZN, ZB), NYMEX Futures (CL, NG, HO, QM) and Exchange Traded Funds (DIA, GLD, IWM, OIH, QQQQ, SPY) <Chilly> c ya pj <eminitrader> Shorts ES @ 1421.25 15:25 Covered all ES Short @ 1423.25 --> - 2 15:32 <werner> gn all 16:24 <Brutus> RD sent, Cul8r all 16:35 <Awash> . 17:24 * DisconnectedSession Close: Tue Jan 09 18:00:26 2007 18:00
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